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Square Enix outline their horrible new approach that may kill both them and Eidos

"Here is a PDF that does not make good reading if you like Tomb Raider, Sleeping Dogs, Deus Ex, and/or good RPG releases."

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majiebeast4241d ago

Yeah they lost it.

Lets all thank the new ceo. Who is behind this genius approach, of going after the 2 most unstable markets in gaming, mobile and online.

I never thought i would say it, but could we have Wada back please?

HelpfulGamer4241d ago

PS3 partly to blame, While most Japanese Game Developer ran away from PS3 complexity on to Wii, 3DS, X360. SquareEnix stayed years to get running on PS3, costing them billions. Yoichi Wada stayed loyal for years to SONY in getting FFXIV:ARR running on PS3.

Thankfully, now Sony tries to repair the damage they done with the PS4.

itBourne4240d ago (Edited 4240d ago )

What? Their downfall has nothing to do with the ps3. Its the same downfall all the other Japanese devs have had, they didnt transition with the times, have failed to evolve. Eidos has kept them afloat. Hence why Nintendo is failing with their console. Same reason Level 5 has failed with consoles. The mobile is literally keeping all them jap devs alive(handheld included in mobile). With out the ds, professor leyton, and mobile all these japanese companies lose. You can throw Sony japan in their too.

HarryMasonHerpderp4240d ago (Edited 4240d ago )

Well for one thing nobody but Square made them spend ridiculous amounts of money making their games. Not really fair to blame that on Sony.
And two, Square (objectively) made mostly bad games this gen regarding the Final Fantasy series. How is that Sony's fault?. And three FFXIV was a complete mess to begin with and they've been spending a ton of cash over the years to make it an acceptable PC game, nothing to do with the PS3.

itBourne4240d ago (Edited 4240d ago )

Sony Japan takes 16 years to make Last Guardian (TeamIco), all the FF games are delayed, FF14 is a fucking mess has to be remade, FF13 has to have 16 games to make up for delays and cost. Capcom is a joke now RE is trash. Sega is doing nothing, literally a mess. Nintendo can only make handheld games and the same games they made for the past 10 years. Do I need to keep going? Japanese devs are a joke right now... not all.. nothing is all encompassing but for the most part a literal joke.

Dagobert4240d ago

That makes no sense. The problem was they were focusing on the 360 far more when it had a very small RPG fanbase. Then they focused on a shit title that people complained from the beginning but bought it because it had Final Fantasy in the beginning. Then creating a shit sequel which people thought might be better but it still sucked, and then another damn sequel.

FamilyGuy4240d ago

They spend too much on their games, too muh time and money. Tomb Raider could've easily been profitable had they not given it such a high budget. A lot of games fall in that category, they don't way the demand properly and end up spending too much creating the games.

FF14 was meant to be a huge profit turner for them and it fell flat on release for multiple reasons. None of which were the PS3 because it never released that iteration on PS3. A Realm Reborn is actually doing BETTER than they predicted and is helping them stay afloat because of its subscription based model.

All japanese devs aren't "terrible this gen", some of you just lost interest in those type of games. Gaming taste are subjective and the influx of shooters this gen have left japans gaming styles behind.

mikeslemonade4240d ago

IF FFXIII remained exclusive it would have been a better game. Instead they chose to make for the 360 too which held it back.

mechlord4240d ago

you know what ruined them? Waiting all this long to put out a Thief;
Waiting all this long to put out KH3
Waiting all that long to release the underwhelming FF13 and on top of it, make FF13-2 and FF13-3
Waiting this long to put out FF13Versus having to rename it in the middle
Being so lame, disrespectful, full of themselves and stupidly low talented to even think about releasing the first incarnation of FF15

I can keep this up for a little longer

webeblazing4239d ago

I think it have to do with all the rehash SE have done. KH3 should been out and they should of let their devs create new ips. SE is headed the same path as Capcom, and I wouldn't care if they crashed and burned just hope the talent they still have left starts a studio.

UltimateMaster4239d ago

Square-Enix always made profit from PS hardware including PSP and PS3.
But they rather focus elsewhere where they're sure they'll meet their demise.

kreate4239d ago

Square left the ps3 for the first half of the generation.

Infinite Undiscovery, star ocean, last remnant sold poorly on the Xbox.

They started to do better once they went back to Sony.

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Godmars2904240d ago

I don't think he ever left. Is just waiting in the wings.

Eyeco4240d ago

I don't want to see Square go down anymore than I want Capcom to go down, these companies were my childhood, that and it would suck for people to loose their jobs.

But they are so out of touch with themselves and what gamers want, they're trying to hard to appeal to the "western" audiences, they lose their identity inthe process. F2P, Mobile gaming as a central focus ? What happened, where did it go wrong ? Shame

SharnOfTheDEAD4240d ago

Yeah, during the 90s it was awesome for those companies, now though it's just going downhill :(

mistertwoturbo4240d ago

I agree, I still love FF6 and FF7.

Where they went wrong is the "western" approach to their games. Even go as far as buying Eidos to try and capture the western market.

FFXIII was a disappointment, to this day I still haven't beat it. I have no urge to and probably never will. I still can't shake the feeling that since they went multi-disk for the 360 version they segmented the entire game.

DVAcme4239d ago

Dude, if any company deserves to go down, it's friggin' Capcom. They not only have been screwing fans over with their abusive DLC and downloadable game strategy, they've also apparently gotten a hard-on for taking a crap on beloved franchises of theirs. I'm a Megaman fan, so I've REALLY felt the burn badly. That's not even mentioning their DISGUSTING treatment of their employees. Already Shinji Mikami, Hideki Kamiya and ESPECIALLY Keiji Inafune have left the company for good reason, and I'm betting Yoshinori Ono will not be far behind at the rate Capcom are taking a crap on him now.

Magicite4239d ago

In PS1/2 times SE was my most loved gaming company.

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3-4-54239d ago

So they are doing the 2 thing SE fans don't want the most.

Thanks for the nugget kick Square.

Get your head out of your ace and bring us Dragon Quest 11&7 + DQ8 HD remake + 10

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smashman984241d ago

No, read the PDF and everything looks fine they want to put more focus in mobile and online but article makes it seem like they want to eliminate console development altogether.

Tctczach4241d ago

I hope someone with some talent will buy Deus Ex.

DEATHxTHExKIDx4241d ago

The games on smart phones aren't a lot of Japanese devs doing that. I think even the Tales series is being put on smart phones now.

UNKLE4240d ago

Square enix is dead they lied to us and making bad strategy.
1,FF15 is delayed a whole console generation (PS3)
2,FF15 PS4 version using old graphics engine not luminous engine. whole PS4 is about FF15 trilogy with old engine!?
3.Agnis Philosophy would be great new ip game or FF but its only techdemo they say.
4.I hope Square Enix is go bankrupt...

Irishguy954240d ago (Edited 4240d ago )

FF15 is shifting over to luminous as luminous is completed.

Eh no, no it doesn't imply they are cutting anything.

"Games with sequels cut content out of previous games" is what you are saying. Use your head for **** sake.

FFXIII had content cut because of the 360. Not because it was to have a sequel.

FFXV may be very broad story wise. You have your nations fighting over Crystals which is what Nomura wanted this game to focus on...then you have the back round gods like Etro and what will undoubtedly end up the main story in either FFXV or a sequel, about the world ending. Noctis story may not cover the entire story about their world. It could only cover the war of over the crystals

colonel1794240d ago

That's what supposed to happen.. I just don't want FFXV to be a trilogy. That right there implies that they are cutting stuff from XV just like they did with XIII. There is no excuse, they have a much powerful console than the PS3, so they don't have to cut anything. Also, since when FF is supposed to have direct sequels? One thing is to have an expect ion (FFX) another one, is to make it the norm! It does not make sense!

deadfrag4240d ago (Edited 4240d ago )

I Hope they dont go bankrupt,because them we will see great studios like Cristal Dinamics and Eidos die too.Square Enix made shit games this generation but games like Tr,Sleeping dogs,Deux ex and even the last Hitman are all great games...but on the other hand we see Square invest in a new Ftp Legacy of kain game and we start thinking wtf ..why the hell are Square making this crap game!Frankly the game looks horrible and has nothing to do with the Kain Legacy or Soul Reaver and Free to play model..Dead will soon come if they dont change the way of thinking.

MadLad4240d ago

I don't.
They will take Eidos with them and they are currently on their game at this point.

Square is ruining Edios.

Roccetarius4240d ago

Square already ruined Eidos, so that isn't possible. :)

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The Real Enemy of Gaming Isn’t DEI. It’s the CEO

From Horse Armor to Mass Layoffs: The Price of Greed in Gaming. Inside the decades-long war on game workers and the players who defend them.

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jambola7d ago

maybe a real enemy is people who use terms like "the real enemy"
there can be more than 1 bad thing, t's not like a kids show with 1 big bad

senorfartcushion5d ago

This is very much a “dummy who volunteers themselves to the middle” comment.

The real enemy is a common phrase, people use it all the time.

Calm down.

jambola5d ago

i'm very calm
you seem very upset however

Notellin4d ago

You don't seem calm at all. Don't take this so seriously, you seem desperate responding to others defending your opinion that lacks any value or critical thought.

jambola4d ago

stop projecting
i'm not desperately dong anything, i'm tapping at keys on my keyboard bud

PapaBop4d ago

It's not like kids show with one bad guy? I present to you.. Bobby Kotick

ABizzel14d ago (Edited 4d ago )

DEI was never the problem and it was an ignorant take to begin with.

DEI is why games like Kena Bridge of Spirits, South of Midnight, and Ghost of Tsushima exist.

DEI is why we have a huge resurgence in Japanese, Chineses, and Korean developers producing games like Stellar Blade, Black Myth, and why Nintendo & Sony exist.

DEI is why more and more games have HUGE accessibility options with both Sony and MS fully behind this.

DEI was never a bad thing, the entire purpose of DEI is representation of all people, genders, disabilities, etc…

The problem was people used DEI as a default derogatory term to describe what they believed was forced representation, which allowed colorist, racist, sexist, misogynist, homophobic, and xenophobic fools to run away with the negative DEI narrative.

jambola4d ago

you don't get to decide other people's motivations
sorry to break it to you

ABizzel13d ago (Edited 3d ago )

To each their own, however, nothing you said invalidates why some people take offense to DEI incorrectly.

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Sciurus_vulgaris7d ago

Executives seem to often have an obsession with perpetual revenue growth. There is always a finite amount of consumers for a product regardless of growth. Additionally, over investment is another serious issue in gaming.

Killer2020UK5d ago

The fact that they also rarely have any real expertise in game development compounds things. They'll look at what's been successful elsewhere, lack the knowledge to properly understand why they have been successful and then force a team to 'reproduce' their badly interpreted idea of that success.

We see it so often with sequels to games that were successful too. The team are left well alone, they have a break through hit and all of sudden the money men descend on the IP and completely railroad the dev team's ideas. Usually winds up being 'make the same game but MORE'

LoveSpuds4d ago

This is true throughout all of the corporate and public sector organisations to be honest. CEO's generally move amongst the corporate world without any need to have experience of a particular industry, they simply need to rely on their senior leadership credentials. A CEO of a retail giant will just as easily transition to a CEO role in the energy sector for example.

Not defending CEOs here to be clear, I think it's a huge part of the reason the western world is so fucked up. CEOs don't need to care about the sector they work in, in fact it's better if they don't care if they want to screw everyone to make profits.

GhostScholar5d ago

Companies don’t hire executives to break even. If the goal is breaking even then why start the company in the first place.

Soy5d ago

That's understood; it's getting record profits and expecting to always beat those record profits, and seeing anything less as a total failure. Then they lay people off and raise prices to reach those record profit levels again, just to sate shareholders. It's setting expectations way too high just to spike share prices, then inevitably falling short. It's feeling entitled to being more successful than everyone else. It's the CEOs doing all this to boost their own bonuses.

ABizzel14d ago

Growth benefits the company’s profits and therefore the company’s stock if publicly traded, which pleases the shareholders making them more and more rich, which is why Growth is always at the forefront of the vast majority of any publicly traded company.

More growth = More Money and the people at the top want all the money they can get. I can’t really blame them anyone would love to see their profits go from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands, to multi-millions it’s almost like a gambling addiction.

But it also goes to show someone how morals can go out the window for a lot of these people, and how amazing some CEOs are when they catch this early and provide a balance solution that takes complete care of their employees across the board while keeping the business sustainable IE: Insomniac Games ALWAYS on the best places to work list. The rest of the industry could learn.

jambola6d ago

honestly, the "real" enemy of gaming, is ourselves
if nobody bought horse armor, shitty dlc would have died almost overnight
if we stood firm and nobody bought games from companies that were bad with layoffs, it would be solved
we're the idiots supporting awful business practices, we are the ones enouraging it

TiredGamer5d ago

I think the reality that we don't want to convince ourselves of is that without the rise of "horse armor" and DLC, game budgets would have essentially stagnated (smaller teams/smaller games), or game prices would have risen much more dramatically than they have. There was an incessant drive for bigger worlds, infinite detail, and hundreds of hours of "gameplay" over the last two decades, that while perhaps a natural evolution of things, needed a suitable funding stream to accomplish.

HyperMoused5d ago

What...CEOs make tens of millions and that doesnt include SLT etc etc...we now have multiple editions of games, in game currency, MT's, battle passes.....and what do we get..worse game than what was coming out 20 years ago....dont drink the cool aid, its this nickel and dime crap that is absolutely leading us to gaming destruction.

senorfartcushion5d ago

This is the worst possible answer to this conundrum. Blaming the masses is blaming the only people who are constantly “told” to buy.

Consumers are the only ones not to blame here. People make their own choices all the time. Disney movies are bombing and DEInis being blamed. Has that been enough to put Disney out of business? No and it never will.

Christopher5d ago

Disagree. Businesses are able to do what they do because people are bad consumers and don't think critically about purchases. Disney got away with doing shit stuff for years and it's just the last year where people got tired of it. It's not like it didn't work for 5 years or so for Disney to do the things they've done. They'll just move onto another way to get people to see movies and it will be just as bad but more profitable until people wake up and realize it.

TiredGamer5d ago

Consumerism drives business behavior. It's not so much "blaming" as it is observing behavior. The point I'm making is that the direction that games have gone are driven by the spending. Consumers are spending on DLC and they are driving the expectation of more glitz and padded out (lengthier) games. If they continue to pay, they will continue to drive that direction until a threshold is reached that forces a change in behavior.

senorfartcushion5d ago

Corporate advertising is the most powerful force on the planet.

This is N4G for god sake, every day there are arguments between people who are Team Xbox and Team PlayStation because they’ve been convinced that having an identity built on paying money to Sony and Microsoft matters more than having one as individual gamers who can play whatever they want.

And THEN we get to the corporate advertising part: to play whatever you want is to sink MORE into the advertising pits, making it so that you can more than one specific product.

jambola5d ago

ah you're right
they were told to buy it, it's clearly impossible to avoid that
if enough people stopped supporting, it would stop
disney not stopping would only be because enough people didn't stop

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victorMaje5d ago

Agreed. I’ve been saying for years, announce you won’t be buying the upcoming game because of the practices of the previous game, then you only have to stick to your guns once, see how quickly things change for the better.

We have to unite in what we shouldn’t purchase.

jambola5d ago

just imagine a world, fifa came out worse, nobody buys the next one until they see proof it's better and stick to it
or games being forced online for single player and nobody buys it
things would change so fast

HyperMoused5d ago

Just like scooby doo, you have shown us the real monsters are us

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Inverno5d ago

Greed and greedy people have and always will be the main issue for everything wrong in the world. Everything is a product to be exploited for monetary gain. Even when there are things that could help progress us along for the sake of making our lives easier that thing must be exploited for monetary gains. Anything that tells you otherwise is propaganda to make you complicit.

coolfool5d ago

I've never thought "DEI" (although the way most people use it doesn't match it's real definition) is the problem with games. Good games have continued to be good when they have a diverse cast, and likewise, bad games have continued to be bad. There isn't a credible example I've seen where a diverse cast has been the direct cause of a game being bad.

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