From SpawnFirst: "Considering Aaron Greenhart’s previous Twitter comment that every Xbox One game would come across looking like it’s running at 1080p, his newest tweet comes as a complete surprise, but admirable nonetheless"
like if he didn't agree that changed the FACT that it was.
Just fanboys jumping to conclusions. I read his first comment earlier and never had the assumption of everyone thought he ment. But that is what you get with fanboy sentiments.
I agree as he was talking about output which has nothing to do with this. The Xbox One does have an output for 1080p. It may not be native and I am not sure why people thought he was misleading us. He just gave the more PR answer to the question (it is Twitter you are limited by the number of characters)
i disagree. It was worded to intentionally mislead. He had to backtrack when things got more specific
A lot of the problems that MS are having stem from the fact that they continually underestimate the technical knowledge and intelligence of their user-base.
Fanboys are stupid. You can't reason with them. They will understand what the want to understand... no matter if it's true or not.
More power is nice to have. For me it is not a deal breaker. I like the Xbox for many reasons. It would be nice if it has the same power as PS4. If it doesn't then I guess I will be gaming with my graphics a little less pretty. I game on Xbox over PS for the same reason I game on it over PC: It is what I prefer to game on for many reason. I will list a few: XBL; controller; MS leads in adding stuff to the console and supporting them; M$ seem a more professional and stable as a company; The people I care about are mostly on XBL; Sony always seem to be playing catch-up; M$ introduces all the cool feature then some time later, Sony comes with the barging brand equivalent. Kinect is a big plus too (HUGE actually). Just making a more powerful console, if that happens to pan out, is not enough to sway me to any console. If I bought the PS4 with the intention of getting better graphics, I know by no more an hour of buying it, I would wish I had gotten the X1.
@big pappy if you had left your comment just as "More power is nice to have. For me it is not a deal breaker. I like the Xbox for many reasons. It would be nice if it has the same power as PS4. If it doesn't then I guess I will be gaming with my graphics a little less pretty. I game on Xbox over PS for the same reason I game on it over PC: It is what I prefer to game on for many reason. " i would have agreed and given you a bubble up for well said but then you say "Just making a more powerful console, if that happens to pan out," its not IF is is a FACT the ps4 is more powerful there is no ifs ands or buts thats it, i respect that you want to only have an xbone and thats your choice but adding in comments like that as if its not confirmed is just BS it is 100% confirmed.
I just really want more resolution. If the press and the media and the technology websites and everyone didn't keep telling us year after year we should buy new HDTVs, we must get better technology, you should get bluray/HD DVD for the full HD movies for your full HDTV, Onlive sucks cos the bitrates and resolutions are fuzzy, super fast internet for full HD streaming is what you want, bad lower res PS3 ports are awful and you shouldn't put up with it, and on and on........then maybe 1080p gaming in 2013 wouldn't seem as big a deal as it does. But they have been. So everybody has their 1080 HDTV ready and their gorgeous HD movies and everything, but the media recently and Microsoft say hang on, 720p is actually fine. No really, when we said before you should go to 1080 in all your gear, what we really meant was 720p is all you'll need and that will be ok for the next 6 or 7 years for your games. No. No. I got what was the best for my money because you all recommended it, and now you want to release a new console for $500 that can't exploit it properly. Now you want to say hey, the difference isn't all that. You know all those massive in depths HDTV tests and comparisons we ran with resolution and colour and contrast all that? The bluray player ones and the cross platform game comparisons where it was a big deal if Xbox 360 had 10 percent more resolution? Thats really bunch of shit if we're honest. 720p is fine for you now, its no big deal not to have more. 50 percent difference? 100 percent difference? Nothing that- can't even see it! Well ******************* YOU.
@WorldGamer I don't want to stoop to your level. So please stop commenting to me. Your personal attacks don't effect me, simply because you don't know me and yes I'm having a great weekend. Hope you enjoy your weekend too buddy.
Lol. Oh P0werVR. You are a Gem Sir. Just a few things, you stooped to "my level" when you responded to me tonight. Also, when you PMed me a few days ago and got verbally handled, but we'll leave the disgrace that that was on your part undiscussed. Also, it should read "Your personal attacks don't AFFECT me." Not EFFECT. Affect vs. Effect: http://www.quickanddirtytip... Also, I don't see where I was personally attacking you, I categorized what you were doing above perfectly. The truth, just because you don't want to be called out on it is not a personal attack my friend. Sometimes it's just the truth. I hope I could once again teach you something valuable today. Also, good luck with that MS PR gig you got going. Nice supplement to that Scott Trade thing you have in motion making 5k a week. Good evening sir. http://stream1.gifsoup.com/... EDIT: Bad link man, my mistake.
Exactly why so many companies do not even bother. Damned if you do and Damned if you don't.
BigPappy I wish there were more people like you on this site. I couldn't agree more. The PS4 is more powerful. Some games will likely look better on it. Hell, maybe all games will. But for me, that won't be enough to make it my primary console, for all the same reasons you listed. Controller, XBL, and the fact that it is also where my friends are, etc... I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, I just like what I like, and that's it. I wish more people were able to accept that instead of being so hateful all the time. If I had a dollar for every time I've seen a comment on here that says something like "you'd have to be an idiot to buy an xbone", I'd probably have both consoles paid off already. It's sad, really.
Honest criticism contributes for the good if the platform holder listens to understand.
@Bigpappy You're the exact type of person MS is going for. Funny you made those statements, but left out the key thing for being a console owner is GAMES.
its not jumping to conclusions, the mere fact he was using his answer to: im·ply verb (used with object), im·plied, im·ply·ing. 1. to indicate or suggest without being explicitly stated: His words implied a lack of faith. 2. (of words) to signify or mean. 3. to involve as a necessary circumstance: Speech implies a speaker. 4. Obsolete . to enfold. that it was , and he knows it
1080p native is obviously better than upscaled.
@Bigpappy Sigh I am sick to death of explaining this but yet again here I go. Since when is multiplayer games with over 60 players, releasing retail games digitally Day One, allowing the sending of large picture files for free, releasing games larger than 2gbs in size without charging extortion prices(RE4 HD), having a network infrastructure that allows you to connect and play with Steam users (think of this potential with PS4) and allowing your users to download over 90gbs of games when you sign as a new user to the premium version of the service, since when is all this "catching up" with Microsoft? All the things above Microsoft have NEVER done before and, only with some, Xbone will be more than likely "catching up with" finally. They need to be on some kind of level ground mate before saying ridiculous things like that with NOTHING to back it up with as PSN is the one clearly far ahead. With NONE of those features above, how would it EVER be possible for Xbox live to go down? 6 player games in Gears? People with Silver accounts having to wait a week to get a demo because they don't want all the poor people out there wasting their precious bandwidth?
Actually unknown to most who have thumbs you up, you did get pretty personal about simple statement I made about gaming, and never answered the question yet posted insults with caps and never answered my question directly. People like you aren't worth debating if you can't make valid points. I'll have a blast gaming overall, I doubt you can say the same for yourself. So enjoy your "victory" while it lasts. #Gaming Money
The original "You realize you will see every game in 1080p as your output right?" tweet was definitely him trying to make a comeback at the fact that they were being bashed for most games being 720p native. It was also definitely said trying to confuse the less educated to turn something negative into a positive. His high horse mocking attitude got him burned, if he wasn't saying it as a marketing ploy he didn't have to tweet this follow up to put out the fire. Even HE admits in this story that he "can understand why some thought that". And you are saying you never had the assumption of "EVERYONE" thought he ment... LOL only if you realize the irony in your statement "But that is what you get with fanboy sentiments"...
@Utalkin2Me "You're the exact type of person MS is going for. Funny you made those statements, but left out the key thing for being a console owner is GAMES." He actually does address this, just indirectly. In addition to stating that he prefers to GAME on Xbox several times, his reasons mentioned for preferring Xbox over PS are XBL, controller, and friends, all of which relate to gaming. He seems to focusing more on the overall gaming experience rather than simply the games themselves, and in this regard, he sees Xbox as the superior platform. What use is having awesome games to play if can't use your preferred controller to play them, can't access them using your preferred service, and have no friends to play/socialize with? It's like a King without a kingdom.
Dat Shaaron Microsofie.
By this time next year devs will have all games running on 1080p native
That's not likely with either console.
MS PR tell you that?
First, well done to him for being honest. Okay, it took someone to call him a liar - but it worked. His first statement was misleading. And he meant it that way, too. But at least he agreed it could be misleading and he gave an honest answer. Give credit where it is due. But XB1 will never be as powerful as the PS4 in their current form. The unified GDDR5 and the better GPU is something that you just can't overcome. No matter how good you optimise a weaker system. But before you all go crazy, both systems will be amazing compared to the 360/PS3. Yes, PS4 will be more amazing for games but XB1 and the super fast snap system will create a great option for those who want those features. We all win!
I could care less what he agrees with, obviously native is superior.
Turtles all the way down!!
Hey, no shit, Sherlock, native food is better than modified too.
i just hope both consoles can do 1080P with 60FPS, if not at launch than hopefully one developers figure our the tech in few years
Well..... Of course it's better. Who would deny that? -_-
Activision or Microsoft? Oh wait, it was a rhetorical question. Never mind!
It would have been admiral if he admitted originally, now it's because he realises it was stupid to try and deny it in the first place.
lol plus 1 for arron...lol no he found out the hard way u cant lie to gamers about this kind of stuff. he got checked and he backed down to someone who let him know he was lying and he had no choice but to damage control his statement. greenberg knew how what he said was gunna come across.he knew ps4 is native and x1 is up-scaled and he knew up-scaled is way weaker than native. he just didn't know we knew what the difference is between native and up-scaled. gamers don't shout numbers we shout facts.(most the time)unlike other customers we do our homework on our console choice...hell we know so much we could speak about specs like its another language and then translate. he tried to hide that fact in the numbers, and got caught in his lie. plus 1 for gamers
This must be some strange art project put on by MS. It's the only way to make sense out of all this statement and reversal thing their top people have been engaging in. I would say they need to get their act together, but I think they are just too far gone.
no s**t sherlock
Its like saying, a real watch is better than a fake watch. Im not sure what the problem with the one is, I doubt the hardware is that weak cod cant run native 1080p. i suppose the driver rumors are true
Its pretty much a driver/ESRAM issue no doubt, it will get better in time.
no it wont stop blaming esram xbox360 has the same esram its not new developers know how to used it by now its not like how the cell processor was dude
@nosferatuzodd eDRAM,Not ESRAM.
He didn't even mention native 1080p in the comment he made, technically he was right but people just took it out of context again. And its pretty obvious that people know 1080p native is better that it being up-scaled. The only thing I can say is that using better textures and shaders upscaled can look better than actually having a game with lower texture shader quality in native 1080p. There is always a trade off fact.
Yeah but they way he said it, trying to sound like a smartass. "You do know the xbone outputs at 1080p right" as if we gamers are dumbasses that can't tell the difference. He has always been an arrogant self righteous smartass
But that's the thing. Most gamers arent aware of these issues. I was in my local EB games the other day and was talking to try manager and mentioned about BF4 and COD on X1 being 720p and he disagreed and said he played them in 1080p. So then I tried explaining the difference between native and upscaled to which he replied that the X1 can do 4k as it comes with a 4k HDMI cable. This is a young guy who manages a games store and probably plays more games then me. Most consumers won't comb the internet and keep up to date with all the rumors. They will believe the advertisements and make a purchased based off that.
MS PR is only making things worse, just shut up already, you are just making a bigger hole...
He didn't actually lie to be honest, the comment was taken out of context completely, he only said it was 1080p which is true. He never said anywhere that it was native 1080p.
No his comment is implying that upscale 1080p "looks the same" as real 1080p. It's not an outright lie but it's misleading nonetheless.
Well it must be hard in this social media age where you have to maintain a constant online presence and answer twitter questions every day. I would be so sick of dealing with this crap. And the funny thing is it's just starting, they are going to have to talk about comparisons for the next 7 or so years. I keep waiting for someone at MS to just freak out.
Well finally a common sense statement
I really feel bad for these MS executives. I mean, I'm a Sony gamer through and through, but I really doubt these guys had worked as hard as I'm sure they did to reach their position so they could spend so much of their time being harassed by these angry people on twitter.
Maybe they need to lay off twitter til they've had treatment for this aphthae epizooticae epidemic which is apparently sweeping through their ranks. http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...
lol! Thanks for the link with that one!
but, but 720p looks more natural...
He is wrong. I upscale 240p youtube videos to 4k and it looks much better upscaled from 240p then native 4k. You people need to learn.
Pretty much what I was thinking. You know actually I upscaled 1P to 1080P and it looks so much more clearer! I mean damn look at those black levels! Here I took a screenshot http://wallpaperose.com/wp-...
I know, right? Last year, I was playing Kingdom Hearts 2 on my SDTV, and it looked so colorful and pretty. But when I decided to connect the PS2 to my 1080p HDTV, the game looked muddy and washed out, probably 180p. I had to go out in the mountains and use a telescope before I could see it clearly. SD TV > HD TV all day erryday
Hahahahahaha!! The sarcasm is strong with in you
Actually, Sarcasm aside, SD based games do look better on SDTVs vs an HDTV. For example, My N64 and PS1 are still connected to an old 27 inch 1999 Panasonic with S-video because those games look blurry and more muddy on my HDTV.
Who cares at this point? You are either getting an X1 or a PS4. The masses that are not in the know, will probably buy the last gen consoles as the prices are plummeting.
I like to think I've helped expose him. :)
Oddly enough, It is to read what xbone's fanboys are saying that 720p upscaled is better than native 1080p... crazy...
now i can safely say that some, i mean "Some" xbox fans are one of the worst. can't even give a good reason or rebuttal of all the negatives thrown at the xbox. They will not make good lawyers that i can say.
Is this even an argument? It's so stupid, you might as well buy the DVD version of a film instead of the Bluray for a 1080p screen, because the clarity and sharpness is negligible. /s It's actually embarrassing that Microsoft's console can't make their games look pretty without sacrificing 1080p on a 2013 console. Do any of their games at all run at 1080p? Fools.
Don't care. Don't care. Don't care. F*ck,the majority of consumers don't know what a "1080p" is.
You do care otherwise you wouldn't be posting. If you end up playing inferior versions of multiplats on the Xbox One and regret it, its all your fault for not buying the cheaper more powerful console. If you can afford to drop 500$ on an Xbox One you can afford to buy a PS4. The only reason why you should be buying one is because of Kinect or Xbox One exclusives like Ryse for example. You reap what you sow or its your dish washing liquid you soak in it. Nexus 7 2013
Actually I can afford what $900+ can get me- I'm getting both consoles because I just like playing games. I'm not gettng either console until tax time, and I'm perfectly happy w/ my current gen until then. Sometimes when it comes to people it's gameplay>graphics. Honestly, When I saw the gameplay comparison for BF4 on the XO vs. PS4, I was too busy watching the gameplay to notice things like blurs and jags. But because fanboys are just begging for a 'one-up' on their rival console, they're sh*tting bricks over 1080p, the ability to play CDs, and DLNA. Gameplay should ALWAYS trump graphics. Watching grass grow in 1080p is still watching grass grow. 720p is hardly gamebreaking, yet people are throwing it out there like it's as bad as the Holocaust. And the only reason I'm posting is because I'm just sick of the stupidity people vomit on the internet. Constant and repetitive. Other than that- game on.
@Bob - I hope you said the same all through this generation when smaller multi plat differences were made into big bragging points by the 360 crowd on here. Many of the people who don't like these differences pointed out now were fine with it when 360 had some extra pixels or better AA.
You did say that gameplay> Graphics which means that you agree with me that a stable frame rate is equally as important and with a more powerful system you can get a smoother experience that with a weak system. This is one if the main reasons why I'm getting a PS4 because since the console is more powerful than the Xbox One, the multiplats should play better on it. Quick Summary: A superior console will provide better graphics and gameplay compared to the same game on a weaker system. P.S This is why I'm getting AC4 on the PS4 instead of the PS3 because I desire a smooth 60FPS experience instead of a choppy 30FPS one. Nexus 7 2013
nice, have fun!