AMD to Unveil Next-Generation APUs on November 11

As a follow-up to our older article on how December-January will play out for AMD's next-generation APU lineup, we have news that the company will unveil, or at least tease its next-generation desktop APU, codename "Kaveri," on November 11, 2013. It's when the company will host its APU'13 event,

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Software_Lover3679d ago

If AMD were smart, and I think they are, they will really push and market their 8 core APU's for the pc and help the devs that make games for consoles and pc use them efficiently. Imagine having a 64bit O.S., 8-16gb ram, AMD 8 core APU, and being able to game on PC at a high level. Maybe not everything maxed out, but pretty close for budget builders.

It might make a dent in their low end GPU sales, but it will all even out with more APU sales. Great Gaming PC's would get smaller also ala PS4/XBone, or the Digital Storm Bolt, which actually uses a full size GPU. I actually want the Bolt case but they do not sell it separately.

A man can only dream.

Rageanitus3679d ago (Edited 3679d ago )

It wont really work for core PC gamers honestly.
Most ppl upgrade their GPU vs their CPU.

The CPU is less important when it comes to gaming.

It is a bit different when it comes to laptops, because there is really no flexiblity in upgrading your laptop from most manufacturers. Usually when a LAptop gamers wants more power he/she usually simply just buys a new laptop.

In terms of consoles its static, so there is no way a person can realy upgrade.

Software_Lover3679d ago

I understand that. I am a core pc gamer. But if budget builders are able to get ps4/Xbone level graphics with just the APU and no separate GPU purchase, we as pc gamers, have to look at that as a win for us.

I also understand that there are other variables that go into play: Ram available, O.S. used, etc. But it could work out, especially with Mantle on the horizon.

Stsonic3679d ago (Edited 3679d ago )

The CPU is a lot more important in gaming than people seem to think. Especially if you want to Max out everything. I just upgraded from a 4 core amd to an i7 with a 7950 and the performance more than doubles in some games.

Rageanitus3679d ago (Edited 3679d ago )

@ Software lover
True to a certain extent since established developers usually develop with all platforms in mind.

But the PC market right now is driven RIGHT now by Intel and Nvidia, and honestly AMD is not doing so hot (just look at the finacial records/performance records)
Till the day Intel Or Nvidia produces exceptional APU's over their flagship configurations I do not see it flying so far.

@STSonic , yes CPU is still important because if you don't upgrade your CPU you might get a bottleneck. But it is less important ever since the first 3dfx/Geforce came into the market. I see ppl upgrading GPU's over CPU's much more often.

Rhaigun3679d ago

It depends. Say you have an HD 7950 and this new set of APUs will allow you to crossfire much like the current ones do with the 7750. You may get more performance for less. It's possible you may get the boost you need to jump from medium to high settings, and still keep your current FPS.

Ju3679d ago

Unfortunately, Kaveri is not on a level with the PS4/One. The Steamroller cores might as well hold up (4 of them should be faster than 8 Jaguar cores) but the GPU part is still below 1TF (or close). But, with that said, it should be closer to a 7750 and thus be able to play games in medium settings btween 720p-1080p.

What I am looking forward more than this, though, is that this chip will fully support HSA and the full pool of memory is available to the GPU. Current APUs partition the memory into "GPU" and "System" memory, taking away from either side. I am curious how this will work with current OSs - memory handling needs to address this. And further down the road, this open the doors for more compute applications on the desktop. 16GB VRAM...curious how this will workout. Unfortunately I'll have to upgrade my MB as well as the APU.

For the geeks in us, this is the first machine available where people (at home) can explore HUMA/HSA.

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ABizzel13679d ago (Edited 3679d ago )

AMD announced a while back that these APU's were coming, but I believe they would only be 4 core versions, and not have GDDR5 RAM, so take that for what it is.

Software_Lover3679d ago

Yes you are correct. I think there was an article on here, or techspy, yesterday that stated they would come with DDR3 ram.

NarooN3679d ago


GDDR5 as well as a part with up to 3 modules (3 modules, 6 cores) was planned at some point in 2012, but I guess when SteamrollerB (aka Steamroller 2.0, bdver3b) came about, those plans were canceled.

Makes sense for GDDR5, since it's unfeasible for reasons I outlined in my other comment here. They are opting to wait for DDR4 instead, which makes more sense.

NarooN3679d ago

An 8-core APU on desktop isn't feasible at the moment. The console APU's use Jaguar cores which were meant for smaller form-factors and isn't meant to clock high like the "big cores" found on desktop and on some laptops.

The die size would have to increase far beyond what the current typical APU die sizes are to accommodate two more modules, and no one would want an 8-core APU if it didn't have beefy graphics, so the die would have to be even bigger to fit more CU's on it.

The GPU would then be super-beefy, but under-fed due to the use of DDR3 as the system memory. The bus would only be 128-bit (dual-channel 64-bit 2x) since FM2+ doesn't support higher than dual-channel DDR3, and the resulting bandwidth would not be enough to feed the GPU so it could perform to its max potential.

This is why AMD decided to not bother with GDDR5 on desktop APU's (amongst other things, like there not being any consumer GDDR5 DIMMs nor any MOBO's with sockets to support such a chip, etc.) and will instead implement DDR4 in either a Kaveri refresh or Carrizo (Q1 2015 Excavator-based APU), which would alleviate the bandwidth issue.

Right now AMD is trying to get more APU's out there so the install base would be huge whenever HSA begins to take off. This will continue with Kaveri's release in Q1 2014. Of course gaming performance is a priority for them, but not the only one.

kingduqc3679d ago

cpu + gpu > apu by a LARGE margin

NarooN3679d ago

You do realize that an APU is still a CPU, right? Also a typical CPU + GPU combo has much more latency than an actual APU, and with the combination of the CPU/GPU being on the same die as well as having cache coherency and sharing a single pool of memory means massive boosts to the computational throughput and bandwidth, which will speed up OpenCL & HSA-enabled workloads massively. That's the point of an APU.

kingduqc3678d ago


I am fully away, just that people speak as if an apu is good for gaming.It will never compete with a dedicated gpu, or certainly not in the next 15-20 years.

NarooN3678d ago

APU's are good for gaming at low resolutions, but yeah, they won't be replacing discreet cards anytime soon.

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Everyone's favorite Ryzen 7 5800X3D might get a big discount for Christmas

Are you looking for a deal on the Ryzen 7 5800X3D this holiday season? You might be better off waiting until after Black Friday to get a discount on this very capable Zen 3 CPU.


I have it, one of the best CPU's around. If your still on AM4 upgrading to one will be a huge boost for games, and even if your still on pcie 3.0 (like me x470) there is no reason to worry about pcie 4.0 drives. Because with Direct Storage there is hardly a difference if any in loading like Ratchet and Clank, which is the only game that's worth playing with it. That and as it is now DS seems like a wasted effort there are no more games this year and none announced next year using it.

darthv7212d ago

I haven't built a PC since 08... which is to say the one i did build is an AMD AM2. I been meaning to build a more modern one though. Im watching Newegg for deals on CPU/Board combos. I miss Fry's for stuff like that.

PRIMORDUS12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

Ah ok, then I would def go with an AM5 build because of the upgrade path for CPU's. with the 5800X3D that's the last best gaming CPU for AM4. If you like check out Paul's Hardware on YouTube he has great guides for building new PC's. Also check out PC Part Picker for great deals to.

Snookies1212d ago

I hope this is in fact getting a discount! Would love to replace my Ryzen 5 3600! One of the only things left that's slightly holding back my PC at times.


AMD is also releasing 2 more X3D CPU's: https://www.tomshardware.co...

AM4 still going😁 I'm sure there will be a pretty good discount for black friday. If you do buy it you will see a huge jump in FPS in games. If you play any MMO's that's where it shines a lot, big FPS uplift.


Oh one more thing, this video just dropped from GamersNexus revisting the 2700x and comparing it to other AM4 CPU's like the 5800X3D https://www.youtube.com/wat...
Massive jump in performance.

Luc2012d ago

That's the one I have + 7900 xt for 1440 gaming. Good value for the money


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