After the revelation of MP3 and DLNA missing at launch on PS4 Shuhei Yoshida has clarified that support is being considered after launch.
Why was this even something to think about!? OF COURSE we want to be able to play our MP3s and have DLNA, Media player/media sever support. Most annoying is that the fact says "no support", not that it will come in a patch or that they are considering it. The most surprising thing I've read here in months. Pre-orders are being cancelled over the no mp3 thing alone , people complaining that it was attempting to force Music Unlimited on us as the only option, and this is no exaggeration! I can literally point you to at least 5 people in the comments saying things like "pre-order cancelled, they've gone too far". I've been using my PS3 as a media center since the day I first brought it home and have been all for Sony ever since. Was hoping for MKV playback an instead I read no media server support. Lmao (but not really) The culmination of losing MP3 support, media streaming from my pc, external HDD support for media files (unmentioned in the official faq) all had me reconsidering my interest in wanting a PS4. Those are called DOWNGRADES an it pi22es me off that they even thought it'd be okay to omit them. I'm glad Shu said something, the comment section of the faq was completely void of any relies from the Sony team (on the Eu blog at least)
Yep. Depending on what other music services are available at launch it could soften the blow a bit if you can play it in the background for some people. The only reason I can see why it's not here is that they are working more on gaming stuff first & knowing this they are taking the time to push their media services. This can be seen with movie playback not being available without the patch.... WTH Sony you have been the format pusher on consoles for so long why stop now.... And no local support for music playback & probably movie playback. Also DLNA will push people to use APPS.
@Family Guy "Pre-orders are being cancelled over the no mp3 thing alone" Yeah, sure...
@Kayant Maybe that's it, they're pushing apps more. I'm pretty sure they'll be other music apps available, hopefully free ones like TuneIn that just released on the PS3. @ xHeavYx You don't believe me read even a few of the comments on the official PS blog http://blog.eu.playstation.... (I read the eu blog as it was the first I was linked to) No audio cd support is one thing but no MP3 support after we've been requesting custom sound tracks all this gen? Come on man. I'm %100 all sony, never had a 360 or an interest in one and I'm this disappointed so I'm not surprised by others being swayed more easily than me. It's a big freakin deal but I'm POSITIVE Sony will add support, they have to.
If the ability to stream media from my NAS server is added, I hope it won't be choosy with the type of files it plays. It is frustrating when I tried to stream a file and it wasn't supported. And Sony, while you're at it, please add support to .mkv files.
Welcome to being controlled by corporations lol. No BC, pay to go online, no mods, restricted to what they feel is good for you lol. All part and parcel of a controlled system.
I've never used the mp3 player in my ps3 so this really doesn't bother me (though I can see why it would bother a lot of people). The no media streaming on the other hand is a major issue for me. It definitely won't make me cancel my order but I hope sony fixes this FAST. On the flip side though there is something else to consider. The reason why the ps4 is being praised for being such a powerful gaming machine is for just that reason, they focused on it being a gaming machine. I'm noticing a lot of the media features are either coming after launch or weren't added at all (though they did say they will consider adding them). Their focus was obviously gaming first and media second. Is that a bad thing? I really can't say but looking at what is happening to microsoft right about now I would say sony made the better move. Capture the main audience first, gamers, and cater to the casuals as they come along. I prefer the gaming machine first and media device second as long as I know that the features I like will be coming in the future I can wait. My main purpose for buying the ps4 is not for DLNA, it's to play games. This is just my opinion.
Wow! No mp3 support at launch?! wtf?! My $50 curtis Blu-ray player has mp2,mp3,mp4,divx,avi, mkv and any other media support available so I'm very disappointed in this news! That's a big downgrade from my ps3..... Mp3 's are a big thing in this day and age and even as a big Sony fan this is complete bullshit.
@johndoe My problem with it is that the PS3 can already do these things. This can only be read as an attempt to restrict people from using what they already have in a attempt to sell it to them again. We can only assume that they are going to sell us some app that will play CD's and/or MP3's. What about MP4's? I also was hoping for MKV support. I at least understand that MKV support is about fighting piracy. But MP3's are just the standard way of listening to music now. Even if they are pirated sometimes, the fight is over, MP3's have won.
@Army_of_darkness What can i say :P Just get a PC save your self the misery. Amazes me none of you make an issue over all the unplayable games you bought this gen on the next box. What a mess. Console gaming = bending over to corporations lil by lil, cheerlead whatever they think is good for you, until one day you realise you have no rights lol.
@Darrius Cole Agreed, and in no way am i excusing sony or giving them a pass for not having those features in the ps4, I will excuse them and give them a pass if they intend to include them in a future update. As long as we don't have to purchase it. I'm just saying that I don't see the focus on gaming first and media features second as a bad thing. Bringing those features in the future isn't so bad as longas I know they DO intend to bring them. Although I stream a ton of movies from my pc to my ps3, If sony were to try to sell an app to do that on my ps4 no way in hell would I buy it. I really hope sony doesn't go the route you described, even though I don't think they would it would be one hell of a disaster and a big stain on their rep. But I agree with the fact that those two features should not be things that they are "considering", they should have either been included or on the table in a future update.
You can't install songs from CDs can you? That sucks.
Being able to play music off your hdd or disc is a must have! I was pretty upset about it too ;)
Most of the music I download now is either mkv or mp4 but still looks like i'm converting a lot of music to mp4 .. that is if it supports mp4.Someone canceling a pre-order because of this is hard to believe because that would be a completely retarded thing to do.The irrationality of people seems to always amaze me.
"You can't install songs from CDs can you? That sucks." PS4 doesn't support audio cds
Aren't MP3s still the predominant form of music files? Seems pretty stupid to not have that support right from the start.
Uhh.. what? Ps4 doesn't support audio cds? Thats more ridiculous than mp3 imo. Who cares if few use it anymore.. its like literary no effort to have that feature and clearly was taken out on purpose. Agaon to stop people burning to whatever crappy format sony allow in favour of using their crappy app. But oh no only MS is greedy!!!
@johndoe11211 Nope they pulled a microsoft sony has always been aholes about MP3 music. If you ever bought some of their digital music products like the old Mini discs players Sony would only let you copy your mp3 4 times before they lock you out of your own damn hardware. You could only use sony's software to burn songs onto the minidisks and they controlled what type of mp3 you could burn and how many times you could burn it. And i think it would do a copywrite check on some music files and was such a pain in the butt and made me avoid all sony products for music for years. But as other people have posted i bet the ps4 has a itunes like store where its the only way you get music on ps4, well thats what they planned anyway. Sad move sony i never trusted them with music players and files anyway because there were such dicks in the past.
Anything that PS3 supported should be there. I have never used music unlimited but if the catalogue has my music? Why not? I will barely use it to play music either way so don't care. I want to play games!
Hmmm... Since I can plug my iPhone into my sound system, I fail to see what's so important about an MP3 player being omitted. Regardless, why do you people get so uptight over the littlest things?
No MP3? No USB drives? what kind of device doesn't even play music files in this day and age or support external devices. Pre-order just canceled. Sony's new slogan: Playstation It only Does Some Things. Xbone here i come. ;) Lord. hang on, how come some games do 1080p but some don't. Can't be the hardware when some Devs can achieve it and some can't. Ever thought with the Xbone hardware been late to the game been the reason. You remember when Sony told everyone they were releasing the PS3 the same year as Xbox and even took pre-orders for it knowing they were no where near finished? biggest dick move in gaming. Least Xbone plays MP3, a file that nearly every electronic device does these days..
Maybe it plays MP3s at 1080p.
It's funny that trolls swarm these comments saying pre order cancelled over tiny things like mp3 at launch. And will defend the X1 to no end about 720 resolution.
oh no! another fake pre-order being cancelled, such a drama.
"Pre-order just canceled." Are you that clueless that you don't realize that everyone can see your comment history?
BS Joe, you never had any intention of buying a PS4, I've seen your comments on here, you are a PC/xbox fanboy.
Major Nelson is looking it up (according to twitter) regarding MP3's and DLNA so you might want to wait a while before you do anything rash. Remember, Microsoft has Xbox Music - they'd like your money too. PlayStation has never supported HDD's for game installation, so it's not really a big deal to existing PS owners. And the HDD is replaceable unlike the One so it's not the end of the world either. Though I kind of think you were already getting an Xbox One and just wanted to have a tantrum haha
MS doesn't support external hard drives at launch what your point??
I heard about the no USB drive support over at reddit but I didn't know if it was true. Now that I know it kinda sucks.
That's fine enjoy 900p while we play in 1080p.
When you say USB drive, are you talking about an external harddrive with a USB connection, or a regular flash drive. Because the PS4 has 2 USB ports and I think it'd be pretty pointless to have them JUST for charging the controller.
Fake a&& preorder cancelled bull... No true gamer returns new tech for this . However Sony does listen so I still say everyone hits shu twitter to complain cuz this is not cool
I would Bing that, but sadly, GOLD is required.
The most disappointing for me is the media server, as I always use that with my PS3 and I never store a single Mp3 or Video file on Ps3 I only stream it from PC to listen/watch movies especially when the Ps3 can't read the MKV or certain files, I hope they better included
joe90 "... what kind of device doesn't even play music files in this day and age ......." - XBOX 0ne for example along with PS4 --> regarding MP3 playback. "... support external devices... " yet again XBOX One till early 2014 patch. You know, If you just wouldn't say "Xbone here i come. ;)" your comment could have tiny bit of validity.
It doesn't say no USB drives it says you cant install games to external drives..
most of those "pre-order cancelled" comments are just troll posts. I'm pretty sure that almost everyone getting a PS4 has a device which already does this.
Go to the official faq page, those "troll comments" are coming from some PS+ members. http://blog.eu.playstation.... Do you really think it isn't a big deal? :/ Edit @ below I only mention that they're PS+ members because you claimed them to be trolls. I know trolls are gonna have a field day on this, these were not trolls. Over dramatic is possible but their disappointment was real.
It's a stupid and bad issue .. but i dont see how them being ps+ users give them credibility over the cancellation threats ... Anyone came make such empty threat , especially when angry ... hardly means it will be followed through . other than that , it does need to be fixed for everyone's peace of mind " almost everyone getting a PS4 has a device which already does this. " Well it's not even only about that . How will you use custom soundtracks ? Unless there is some sort of compatibility with unlimited services and their kind ? Liking the console doesnt mean everything and decision is good and gospel word . @ EDIT Dont worry i'm dissapointed too . Truth be told i dont even use the console for mp3 , and only once everywhile as a DLNA machine , but i dont like loosing stuff i felt were default features and options
Id take MP3 support over guaranteed 1080p anyday. My PS3 is my "one" and only device - it plays my movies, browses the web when I cant be bothered to get a laptop out, and plays my music as well as games. Music is a big part of the package. Playing SSX to a custom soundtrack, or GT5 was a brilliant experience. Don't take that from me. I havent pre-ordered, I was waiting until new year after I move house. At this rate I will be hanging onto my money for a bit longer
I am pretty sure some of those post are trolls, but maybe not all. I am surprised that the PS4 will not have this support at launch. I am still getting my PS4 in about to weeks...can't wait. @PlayStation_4- Why should people have to use another device to play MP3's...shouldn't the PS4 have this capability. How many media/gaming devices do not have this support especially in the $400 price range? It's the standard now. Is it a deal breaker? IMO, no. Sony will most likely do a patch to add this later though.
Yeah, it's called a PS3
From a man who is no doubt getting both systems on launch day, this is by no means reason to cancel my preorder. My two daughters, oldest daughters (19 and 15) were raised as much as a gaming parent could raise their children to love gaming. This news was a bit disapointing for my 15yo. They are not fan girls, but the 15yo wants the xbone now more then the Ps4... While the 19yo is sticking by her PS4 guns. For my 15yo media playback and playing mp3's is huge. I can't even stress how important this was to her. Both will play both systems, borrow games from me, and see what each has to offer, but this one thing surely swayed the younger of the two into what system she wants. I'm sure that if people aren't fanboys this could sway some that were on the fence of which to buy first. I seen the change in my daughter over this one thing. Edit* Shortly after launch are the numbers that could be affected... When both are available, like I said, this decided which system she wants now, and what she would choose because the difference in graphical prowess doesn't trump the media and mp3 playback for her. Preorders are only being cancelled by select few.
The pre-order cancel thing is a running joke that's been going on for months now just FYI. I mean, i don't doubt there's one or two blockheads out there who actually did but for the most part, anytime something negative happens to PS4/Xbone everyone starts talking about their pre-orders lol
Dude I know how to read sarcasm, it was not the "oh, no blah blah blah happened, pre-order cancelled" type remarks. These were real, legitimately disappointed people, expressing why it was a big deal for them saying it. There was no sarcasm to be found and I'm very good at reading comprehension and understanding expressions. Just look at the comments for yourself instead of doubting me instantly. http://blog.eu.playstation....
I assumed you were referring to GAF or other game sites.The official blogs are literally always like that.Constant whining, crying and complaining all the time lol. It's the mecca of entitled customers.
I am thinking about canceling my pre-order because of this. How can you push an online music subscription but won't have the ability of playing local files such as a mp3's. That's greedy as all hell and that nearly approaches a MS level. Look at my comment history, I am pro-Sony but that is a feature that should be there day 1. ESPECIALLY if the PS3 had it! I can buy a Mp3 player for 15$ USD, but my gaming console which is 385$ more can't support mp3's? BS. What if Sony decided to remove DVD support? What then?
Preorder cancelled is a joke ... But this is important I want those features and I think Sony will add if we complain .... Its worth it to let your voice heard no downside
Idk why anyone would cancel a pre-order anyways when they could just sell the ps4 online if they didn't want it and make more money..
I kind of doubt people are that bad and would cancel pre orders just because these things are not supported.
"Pre-orders are being cancelled over the no mp3 thing alone and this is no exaggeration!" I think those people need the re - address their understanding of what a games console is if that really is the case In all seriousness the lack of this sucks but not that bad to be throwing those ridiculous statements around. I am surprised by the move (being a big player in the music industry but I guess their idea was to try and push their music streaming service) but also I am not bothered. I think i played my music once through my PS3. I have never seen why I should. TV speakers aren't exactly spectacular to warrant playing it through your TV and if you have a system then it would have a way to do it anyway. The only thing is custom soundtracks to games (which I never got unless your playing a racing game)
In order for you to listen to music that YOU want while playing your game, you have to subscribe to a music SUBSCRIPTION service. Nevermind the fact that SONY themselves have sold GAME SOUNDTRACKS on the PS store. So I can upload a video, but I can't listen to my own music? Stop defending them.
Isn't the PS4 supposed to be a game system with with multi media capability. Unless I'm mistaken MP3 and DLNA is standard in any multi-media device. If the unit is intended to be a central media device then these features should be a given. It's a $400 entertainment machine. You do realize Sony could've decided to removed the ability to play DVD and Blu-ray movies right? They didn't did they? I use my PS3 for MP3 and DLNAS all the time. When I record home movies with my camera. I then copy them to my DLNA server. When guest come over I can load them on the PS3 through the DLNA server so we can watch them on the TV screen. Now I'd need a cloud service to do the same thing that was available for free on my PS3. The lack of some free features that where on PS3 make me less willing to spend cash to upgrade to a PS4. Please explain why Sony wouldn't want to support these features other then implementation cost. Just saying it sucks or me whining about it won't make things better. The only thing available is to wait. I still have this awesome PS3.
@Omegasyde - I did not know that part of about the music subscription service. What service is this and how much is it or is it something like Pandora? Just got to playing GTA 5 on my Phat 1st Gen PS3 while listening to a custom track.
It doesn't matter what the essence of a gaming console is when the draconian competitor is releasing a console that actually has more freedom and more of what gamers want. The irony, it is mind-bending.
As nice as those features are, I still have my PS3 for that until they roll with an update. So no problem for me, all I want are Next Gen Games lol.
DLNA would be fantastic on consoles. Haven't bothered to check and see if it's supported, though. My AV receiver costs more than both consoles combined, so I've got all the airplay/DLNA/media support I could dream of... =)
sony has already stated dlna isnt supported on ps4
What brand receiver do you have?
xHeavYx I'm considering selling my launch day model on, I'd cancel my pre order if it wasn't paid off already. It sure won't be replacing my PS3 under my tv going by what's being said. Something had to be rotten in Denmark with all the good news the PS4 has been riding It seems that where the PS3 was built around choice/numerous features and versitility, that focus seems to have been lost somewhere with the PS4
You could look at it another way, the ps3 was built around an everything and the kitchen sink model, spending huge amounts of money and resources on developing and supporting what were features used by a minority of people despite being readily available in many other devices most own. A focus has been sought to concentrate on gaming and supporting popular services like Netflix on PS4 as these are what the majority of users do most if the time.
get your money back if your not happy . use a mp3 player . I care about the gaming
Wow.. "good" news coming to both sides today! :( I'm currently streaming all my media from my PC to the PS3. Sony not implementing DLNA on the PS4 sucks major balls for me! Today I decided cancelling my X1 because of the major f-up with BF and COD, and now I'm not considering PS4 either. I'm going to invest in my PC and wait for nextgen till everything settles and every skeleton is out of the closet. What a day!
Haha jatakk, well put
I agree at first i was championing ps4 because of xbox 1 policies but then i started to look at both systems and honestly right now getting them at launch seems kind of pointless i'll stick to my ps3 and pc awhile longer
I'm actually considering dropping next gen consoles and building a PC too. But then I might miss out on MgsV, KH3, and Dead Rising :(
i'm curious to see if we can get confirmation from microsoft about this stuff on the xbox one. because they did confirm that there will be no externall HDD support at launch, not until a patch in 2014 at some stage.
I agree with most of this, but MKV will likely never come to anything from a reputable, major corporation due to it's reputation as the Pirates file of choice haha... I didn't use the media server option often, but I liked the choice if I couldn't be bothered to copy a 4 gig file onto my HDD. As for the MP3's that's a pretty basic function you'd expect, but it's not a deal breaker, more of a bummer. Shu normally delivers though, I expect 1.70 to have MP3's and shiz. Side note, PS3 didn't have DLNA at launch either, took a good while. I have hope.
"I agree with most of this, but MKV will likely never come to anything from a reputable, major corporation due to it's reputation as the Pirates file of choice haha..." Sony is pretty much the only company that blocks native MKV support. There are a ton of blu-ray players from panasonic, samsung and other big electronics makers that support MKV playback. Just about all media players do like the western digital Live media players for example. Sony might not but it isn't some industry wide front to prevent MKV playback because of the fact that pirates favor it.
Yes this is very annoying and makes no sense unless (like you said) they are trying to force us to use their Music Unlimited service. I used to always have my external hard drive plugged into my ps3 to play movies and music. Removing this feature from the PS4 was such a bad decision.