Kezins.com explains why the Wii will have a short lived life cycle. From poor planned peripherals to games based off movies. Unless the Wii can pull out all the tricks up their sleeves, they will always be a real gamers 3rd choice.
What like 5 years as all their other consoles had? Wow good job you deserve a cookie
Yeah. Well it's making them money by the truck load right now.
What episode of south park was that picture taken from?
"Can Nintendo rebound from these problems? I highly doubt they will." Nice objective journalism there, considering the author presents no facts explaining why he doubts.
Nintendo wont be the 3rd choice for real gamers they will be 4th or 5th choice because we still have pc gaming to consider.
Is that they don't use Peripherals to their max. could you imagine would WiiFit would be like on 360 or PS3? You could probably have push up contests, and look at each other doing it via webcam.
oh dude that would be the coolest and most innovative idea ever!!!!! or not.... ;)
lol. I think it would be cool. There's a lot of cool potentially online features there. I can imagine a 360 audience especially enjoying a game like WiiFit on 360. Nintendo makes so many franchises with Untapped Potential. I could kill for some Twilight Princess DLC.
yes there are a lot of untapped potential. A balance board on the other consoles would be pretty slick as well. I'm just hoping for more then just the skiing game to come out for the board ^^
"they will always be a real gamers 3rd choice" But the majority of people buying Wiis aren't what we'd call "real gamers" I don't see Wii slowing down soon. They'll just keep coming out with new periferals like WiiFit that get the media to love them so people will buy more wiis.
I wish we would stop seeing articles like this. Why can't people just accept the fact that the Wii will continue to sell.
Not another one of those "the wii's bubble is about to burst" articles -.-
If people keep trying to put cheap ass shovelware on it, I'd believe that. But I'm liking what they're trying to do with Wiiware, there are a lot of pretty original games coming out for it. It's a shame that there isn't a dedicated hard drive. It might not have the graphical horsepower or features of the other two systems but strong art direction trumps raw polygon output any day for me. I just hope that some day more developers get that in mind and we get more Lost Winds and No More Heroes, and less Anubis 2.
I agreed, even tho I feel Anubis 3 will be GOTY 2008. =D
That honor goes to Ninjabread man 2.
As long as you have misinformed consumers there will always be crap like that which will sell. It's a (Shady)way of doing business.
Oh noes, the wiis won't sell, what are they going to do!!!!!! This place is becoming such a hater convention.
Will it be selling at this rate forever? No one knows. But what I do know is that there are billions of people in this world to sell too. And Nintendo will make "Wii are the World" to sell it to them ....lol
That should barely even be considered an article. This whole thing is absolutely stupid. It is not gonna die anytime soon their hardcore fanbase would keep them afloat like they have even if all the other wii users quit buying games. Regardless of that low quantities of consoles on shelves well thats because it sells so much. Im pretty sure if the ps3 was selling like the wii they would be hard to find. As for poor relationships with 3rd parties that doesnt even matter not when you have the largest install base. 3rd parties can keep saying its not worth it all they want but at some point there will be to many consoles out there for companies to resist. As for 3rd parties not selling well most are crap and while there are 2 good ones that havent had good sales thats nothing new on a console. Look at Okami, Beyond good and evil and Pyshconauts They rely to heavily on sequels? The industry relies to heavily on sequels. Maybe if the guy wasnt biased he would see that the biggest games for the most part on any system are sequels. Way to go yet another uninformed person attacking the wii because he has a boner for another system. I have no problem with people who attack any system but give an unbiased argument. Every systems got their flaws and since this guy didnt mention most of any of the wiis biggest problems he is retarded. At least bring up lack of storage, bad online and what not.
wii cant die, waggle is the cure for cancer, and makes the terrorists stop terrorizing!!!
But this guy really doesn't know what he's talking about. Even if the Wii sold no more from this day on Nintendo has made so much money selling essintially Gamecube hardware at $250 and overpriced games/accessories that it would still be a major financial success.
you can't bash it's success, everyone said the bubble would burst like 6-8 months ago...we're still waiting.
Author of the article can't find a Wii anywhere so he's going to try to convince people the Wii is about to die so others will be discouraged to buy one then he'll make his move and buy a Wii ;D
you may be on to something there voozi
nintendo proved themselves steps ahead of folks by chilling it out and being smart. the future burns bright like 10,000 suns for gaming because of the wii and the new gamers and proven franchises it welds. or something.
What is funny is that people are saying this as if it is a bad thing. For Nintendo? Nope, they put out a system, it sold like freaking hot cakes, and if they discontinue it in the next 2 years, they will still be laughing their way to the bank.
There is so much doom and gloom on this site at times, sad when the stories that get the most comments are mostly the negative ones related to a console. We should all rejoice as gamers at the amount of choice we have today rather than focus on which console will go down in flames.
people are just bored of waiting for GTA4 and are getting restless. What better way to pass the time than to bash a console owned by a demographic that is too casual to click through forums all day. I know that there are plenty of serious gamers out there that bought a Wii, but the fact of the matter is that the Wii's success is highly dependent on what's in the Mass Consumers' spotlight. The Wii is, in fact, a fad. Does that make it an awful product? No, obviously, look at the Ipod, or Pop Rocks; both terrible popular, and awesome at the same time. Fads have a immense challenge though. You can become so popular that novelty turns practical, and the product becomes part of our culture, like the Ipod. Or you can become wildly popular, and the fade into oblivion because you have no lasting use, like Pop Rocks. i think the Wii is on dangerous ground right now, straddling the border of those two outcomes. With WiiFit they are making a product that, if executed and supported correctly, could become a very useful and entertaining product, or it could be trash and be forgotten in weeks.
The only reason the wii sells good is bcause its cheap. If the xbox 360 or the PS3 was the same price as the wii they would be sold out everywhere too. The reason 3rd party deveopers dont want to do games on the wii is because they want to expand their horizons and work on new hardware not last gen hardware and plus if you look at the sells charts no hardcore games do good on the wii like no more heroes only lil kiddie games and nintendo made games sell on the wii thats why 3rd party developers dont make games on the wii they want to step forward not backwards and thats the truth whether you like it or not.
and if the PS3 or 360 were the same price then Sony and Microsoft would be losing an IMMENSE amount of money. It's called business. Nintendo tried a new strategy and it paid off... And if developers want to work on something truly next-gen then they should try innovative controls that have never been used before instead of upgraded graphics. I'm sick of people bashing the Wii because they like graphics more than gameplay. And you can't blame a console when 3rd parties make crappy games.
Your basically saying that Graphics are what makes new hardware "next gen" don't get me wrong I like both systems and all but graphics do not make the game. HALO 3 could have been made on the PS2 with just game play alone. At least Nintendo is trying to something different. look at LAIR for the PS3 that game made my eyes bleed it was good looking but horrible controls can break a game, not saying that all of the wii,s games control well but the ones that do work well. It ultimately comes down too the developers who are making the game whether it turns out good or bad on any console.
Don't give me the wii has innovational controls bs speech. This type of thing wasn't cool during the powerglove days, and it certainly isn't cool now. Gesture based controls are lame, and this machine is Pure hype. More powerful processors/machines doesn't just mean better graphics it means MORE POSSIBILITIES. Even if it's not revolutionary, and it's only evolutional it's still better than sitting there doing nothing, and acting as if you're doing something innovational so people who don't know the difference will buy your gamecube 1.5, which is a rip off at any price.
Opinion noted "the closing" please elaborate on more possibilities. Most developers have been putting the processing powers into graphics. And once again AI comes down to the developers whether its good or bad.
Totally untrue. More possibilities means better physics, more realistic responses, smarter AI, etc. etc. Look at games like Star Wars Force Unleashed with the euphoria engine, and digital molecular matter, both engines running in unison, neither of which can be run on the wii. GTA 4 coming out in a few days uses the euphoria engine. Games like Far Cry 2 or Fallout 3 where guns age over time, and things down to wind direction have an overall effect on how the game plays out, vegetation that grows. I mean these are only the beginning of the capabilities/ possibilities of these new more powerful machines. " And once again AI comes down to the developers whether its good or bad." Which is exactly why you don't want skilled devs being limited by outdated technology. http://www.youtube.com/watc... http://www.youtube.com/watc... http://www.gametrailers.com... http://www.youtube.com/watc... http://www.youtube.com/watc... http://www.youtube.com/watc... http://www.youtube.com/watc... http://www.youtube.com/watc...
So if the Wii had similar specs to the PS3 and 360, you'd still view its motion controls as a negative characteristic without any consideration as to what the possibilities of such a control scheme / hardware combination could offer as an advancement to the gaming genre, or even to what possibilities the control scheme alone could offer? I normally don't give ppl the time of day who resort to calling consoles played-out names like "gamecube 1.5", but you may be the 1st to actually present definitive evidence as to whether a particular engine can or cannot run on the Wii hardware, other than a dev simply stating it.
The thing is the ps3 has motion, and although it's cool in some instances it's only fun it short bursts, and ultimately ruins games if thats the only control scheme, and I especially don't want to play scripted gesture based control games. The thing is this motion type control is nothing new or innovation, and I don't see the big especially with the soon to be released controllers that work off brain waves, which is something far more innovational if implemented correctly. I'm sure you've seen this by now or should have but, http://www.youtube.com/watc... "ou may be the 1st to actually present definitive evidence as to whether a particular engine can or cannot run on the Wii hardware, other than a dev simply stating it." I don't even need to because don't you think the devs know the capabilities of this mostly last gen system spec wise system by now? http://blog.newsweek.com/bl... Don't you think if they could get these engines running on a system that's making a slaughtering in sales then they would just to push even more units to further broaden their demographic? Your claim makes zero logical sense. Also to further expand on possibilities is the fact that more realistic, bigger, less scripted more open ended worlds means much better replay value, and just a more intense interactive experience overall. Look if you're fine with your 50th reiteration of Smash Bros, Mario Kart, or Mario then fine by me, but don't act like the wii is only being left behind in graphics alone. I'm just telling it how it is.
Remind me again as to what claim I made that apparently makes "zero logical sense"? I would like to think that devs know the full capabilities of the Wii, but the fact that a lot of Wii games aren't up to par graphically w/ some GC titles despite the Wii's superior hardware to that of the GC, the fact that Factor 5 (who managed to create some of the best graphics ever on the GC) is completely disappointed in other dev studios' inability to create great graphics and have taken it upon themselves to begin developing their own Wii title to demonstrate, the fact that neither console last generation was "maxed-out", and the fact that Super Mario Galaxy achieved things graphically that were previously believed to be impossible on the Wii lead me to believe otherwise, despite the one article you present. "Don't you think if they could get these engines running on a system that's making a slaughtering in sales then they would just to push even more units to further broaden their demographic?" Why would a dev studio spend more money to acquire the license to an engine if they are already selling software well w/out the engine? Broadening a demographic has abosolutely nothing to do w/ a particular engine, it's all about what kind of game you make using the engine. Count how many iterations of Smash Bros there are and then tell me if it's less than the number of Final Fantasy's. Hint: the answer is yes. And yet, I'm a fan of both the Smash Bros series and the Final Fantasy series. Guess what that means? Garbage games don't tend to have sequels, so don't act as if only Nintendo sequels are terrible.
Sorry it took so long to respond (got to work you know) You have made a valid point about the euphoria engine(no matter how weird it looks when they grab on too any and everything close by) but even still I believe that all of that is still on the developers. In truth I don't care whats more powerful or not so long as the game is fun and that i enjoy it. I just needed someone to say more than "it has bad graphics" but seriously i just read this blog http://malstrom.50webs.com/... that sums up everything about Nintendo. it kinda busts what this kezins guy says wide open and it makes sense. hardcore midcore whatever i just want to play fun games on any and every system. I'm pretty sure you just don't play games on one system because they all have something we want to try. p.s. Every system has a crap load of sequels. The whole sequel argument is just grasping at straws. It just so happens you may not like any of them on wii. I'm fine with sequels so long as THEY ARE FUN. You think star wars tfu wont have sequels if it sells well. I mean seriously it seems alot of people on this page think that they can't have fun on the wii. GAMES ARE MEANT TO BE FUN on any system... pc's included. I'd be very disappointed in you if you stayed away from the wii because its not powerful and it has sequels you don't seem to care for.
nintendo wii? more like pee
I am responding to this article. Who knows how long the wii will continue to dominate, but I wouldn't say it's reign is over just yet. Nintendo still has many cards to play when it comes to the wii. Here are 3 possibilities: 1. Dvd playback (but why?). 2. External HDD. 3. Downloadable content (see #2). I know they don't advertise the features, but you can bet it would only take a system update to enable those features on the wii.
every wii hater or crybaby fanboys are wishing for the end and every month their tears piled up when the sales numbers come in....its an expected saga
it is human nature that we want to see somthing new, if we keep seeing the same graphics for about 13 years (wii has ps2 graphics so i added ps2 years) our brain cell will die out(exageration). people r already leaving the wii under their TV's just to gather dust and plus once PS3 and Xbox360 start pulling out amazing visuales mainly PS3 the WII will die out and nintendo will be forced to do research on a new console, plus the PS3 is catching up anyeway
oh yeah? how about you go and tell the retailers that because they'll tell you the Wii is selling sh!tloads and will do for at least 2 more years Nintendo makes a fortune on their first party games since bazillions of people buy them there are plenty of excellent games out for it and plenty more excellent games coming like The Conduit the Wii is going nowhere my friend, the PS3 will always be my platform of choice for this gen, but i and many others get plenty of enjoyment from the Wii its a great console and a great breath of fresh air from hardcore gaming
Ps3 is my #1 Platform for this generation, But I really do enjoy wii as a #2. N64 was also a good #2 console to PS1. Nothing beats having all your friends on Brawl. Final Destination ftw.
Close your eyes and repeat "happy thoughts" over and over. Hoping the Wii will go away by using horribly opinionated "facts" won't make it so... This is Epic Failure for Journalism 101.
It's rather idiotic. Sure, for most of hardcore gamers Wii is already dead and useless but it's sales are more than all other consoles and their games. And let's not forget about Wii Fit. While personally I think it's a POS, I know it will sell millions. Casuals and non-gamers love junk like that. Real games like No More Heroes and Zack & Wiki should migrate to PS3 and 360.
I always look to Kezins.com for my all unbiased video game news. This guy is a certified GENIUS, and he knows far, far better than the millions and millions of idiots in the world who purchased this short-lived "fad-machine." With Kezins' credentials and rock-solid presentation of facts and statistically-backed analyses, how could anyone doubt this Nostradamus of our modern times?
trend. Its's the new tickle-me-elmo (if anyone here is old enough to remember that craze). Trends last about 18 months and then start to fizzle out. It's been about that long. All over the net I see the same comment "My wii collects dust" and ebay is full of wii consoles. What exciting new Wii games are coming out after Mario Kart?
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles, Condult, Tales of Symphonia 2.
if those are MUST HAVE titles. FF Crystal Chronicles wasn't that great of a game the first time around. Conduit only makes a blip on the radar because it isn't usually crappy Wii graphics. Other than that it's a typical shooter. There are far more interesting FPS coming out on the 360 or PS3 I never even heard of the first Tales of Symphonia let alone it's sequel.
It's a freakin' long "Tickle-me-elmo" then, I'd say.
The number of 360s and PS3s that remain unsold at electronic stores? I don't know about where you live, but around here you could buy either one of those at any time you wanted. They are available everywhere, whether they are sitting there collecting dust or not, I can't say. The Wii on the other hand, almost impossible to find. All the people I know that own wiis are more than happy with their purchases, even those people I play UT3 with on a weekly basis.
As a paperweight
As a paperweight. [sorry, but I didn't want to leave anybody out]
they will always be a real gamer's third choice? I thought they ALREADY were a real gamers third choice... ...actually, scratch that, I like PC too, so bump the wii down to 4th
Since when have third party games ever meant make or break for Nintendo? People buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo titles. If I could have got Nintendo games on the other consoles, I wouldn't have the Wii (I prefer traditional controls, and graphics *gasp*)
honestly ive bought more 3rd party games on Wii than i have on n4g and GC combined. Things have changed and they will only get better with the launch of Wiiware and now this new engine devoted to Wii tech
sooner or later ppl will massively begin returning their wiis
someone should return your brain
is this a joke? seriously, a bunch of rabid fanboys hating on Wii isn't going to kill it.
Saying the Wii will be the thrid or fourth choice for any "real gamer" is pretty much stating the fact that you have no idea what a real gamer is. In my opinion and i stress opinion a real gamer should not have a 3rd or 4th choice ever, all gaming platforms(that includes PCs) should be the first choice. I myself have the Wii, 360 and a PC although my PC is terrible so i can't play all the good PC games. I realize that not all people have the money to buy all the gaming platforms. It took me about a year to get a job and buy a 360 and i'm currently saving up for a PS3.
I couldnt agree more. I don't know who this author thinks he is but he sure is accusing a bunch of ppl of not being "real gamers". I too try and pick up most of the consoles or split them with my bro and trade off every once in a while. I dont really see the point in comparing consoles. Just stick to what gaming is about.... GAMES not the platforms they run on.
This is getting so old. Why don't they just keep posting the same article and slap a different title on it cause that is about all it amounts to. The same story over and over. Yes, lets predict the Wii's demise when it is selling faster than any video game device in the history of video games 5 days before Mario Kart Wii come out. Seriously.
The Wii was a huge disappointment for me and for other gaming fans I know. BUT having said that I think this guy is wrong. The Wii will still keep selling bucket loads. Especially with Wii Fit coming out soon. It is nice small and shiny and women that I know love it. All the ones I chat to at the gym have got Wii Fit on order and it will make just as much as Wii Sports. I think it is dying with gamers though, but then who cares. There are more than enough people running out to buy the consoles. The trouble with the Wii as far as games go is the hardware. Every third party has a "next" gen game in the works. Rockstar will start working on GTA 5 for the next generation, Capcom - Devil May Cry 5, maybe. During the last generation Rockstar began work on GTA4. Capcom began RE5. IW began CoD4. They would have all released versions for the Wii, except when the Nintendo Wii finally arrives it gets released with last gen hardware. Rockstar, Capcom and IW have no choice but to release solely on PS3 and 360. I bet Rockstar would love some of the Wii market. They want the public's money. Why else would they release a PS game on the 360 too. Same with Capcom and Devil May Cry. That used to be an exclusive too. The more systems you can get your game on the better. None of these companies are prejudiced towards the Wii. They just have no choice. But because Nintendo haven't kept up with technology, third parties have struggled to release on Wii. So all the third parties that were developing for this generation - during the last generation - have no choice but to miss the Wii out. You can't scale current gen games like GTA4 back to Wii hardware without fundamentally changing the way the game plays. Same as you can't scale Mario 64 to run on a SNES. Gamers realise this now, so are heading to the PS3 and 360. imho - I only know what I see happening with my friends. The Wii will be fine though. It has a huge install base now and because the decent third party developers know what they are working with, there will be a load of decent Wii games released. I think Rockstar would be smart to release a Wii version of GTA: San Andreas.
Probably what we are going to see with the Wii is a lot more rereleases of last generation games onto the system, which isn't necessarily a bad thing for Wii owners. New gamers will have a chance to play more games they never played before, which is good. Prince of Persia: The two thrones (or whatever) was released, RE4, now Brother in Arms (and a few others). I'm surprised there aren't Wii versions of Metroid Prime 1 and 2, or Windwaker. Konami hasn't tried to push some Metal Gears onto the system, or Capcom with there last generation series. I'm sure there is money to be made by doing this. And can't forget the GTAs. However, actual original content would be preferred.
that there isnt that much influx of good AAA titles coming to the wii. with the exception of ssbb, and mario cart. aside from that i really dont see many good games coming to the console. most of them are cheap knock offs of the good wii minigames, think wii sports, and all of the knock off of that. imo the console need better AAA must have titles, to keep it a must have system.
" most of them are cheap knock offs of the good wii minigames" >_> really do some more research... Disastar day of crisis must be from a mini game Final Fantasy must also be from a mini game Tales of symphonia is def from a mini game concept ETC ETC =)
Doesn't mean it's dead, it means people can't stop buying them! I bet this is another hardcore FPS fan who can't believe his overly expensive HD machine is loosing to the weakest of them all Wii.... Poor planned peripherals? We'll just see how much Wii Fit sells then you can eat your text. Seriously the Wii will live till 2009, just in time for the 720.
It's been a year and a half, and they STILL don't have them in stores by me. The install base is something publishers of GOOD games can't ignore for much longer. I own a Wii, and I'll admit that there is a LOT of shovelware.