“Insider” claims more Xbox One games to run at 900p, Microsoft dev responds

Xbox One Insider CBOAT claims that the Xbox One has a lot of issues still, including reliability.

[Edvin1984]

I just got to play it yesterday by the Bucs football stadium, and it was a blast. I really enjoyed Forza 5 and Killer Instinct. I am now even more so excited for this system, and can't wait to get my hands on a PS4.

[Gazondaily]

Beware of CBOAT and his claims. He was wrong with a lot of things he said before Gamescom.

[mikeslemonade]

Anything lower than 1080p this generation is unacceptable. You people have low standards..

[FamilyGuy]

Well this claim answers the question of why MS felt it necessary to have "the best upscaler ever created" in the X1. They've known for a long time that their games would be running a native resolution lower than 1080p.

As long as the games are fun that's all that matters but they really need to stop claiming the graphical difference between their and Sonys games to be minor. Proof is everywhere already, as the next few months pass it'll only become more and more noticeable that the PS4 is far more capable.

[GutZ31]

CBOAT was the first to "leak" the PS4 had 8GB's of DDR5 memory to the world and we all blew him off as a nut job.
Look where we are today...

[jcnba28]

@mikeslemonade

"Anything lower than 1080p this generation is unacceptable."

Yes you are 100% correct ... so where are the native 1080p PS4 games?

[HammadTheBeast]

Killzone, Knack, and DriveClub to name a few.

[MysticStrummer]

He's been right about a lot of things too.

[LordNikon]

Only The Order: 1886 isn't native 1080p on the PS4, so far. It doesn't really matter to me, as long as the game is good.

[FamilyGuy]

jcnba28
"so where are the native 1080p PS4 games?"

uhhh
Killzone
Knack
DriveClub
Resogun
FF 14 ARR
DC Universe Online
The Order 1886 (cinematic 1080p)
Call of duty ghost
All of the PSN titles like Flower

I think: Watch_Dogs, Assassins Creed Black Flag
I expect: WarFrame and Injustice: Gods Among Us Ultimate Edition to be 1080p as well though Warframe might go for 60fps as a preference that might effect that.

I'm a bit confused, your comment sounds sarcastic yet the majority of the PS4 games, literally all of its exclusives, are native 1080p.

It's pretty safe to assume that almost every single one of these games will be native 1080p:

List of announced exclusive/timed exclusive games as of Sept 5th, 2013

Assault Android Cactus
The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth
Blacklight: Retribution
Contrast
The Dark Sorcerers engine created game
Daylight
DC Universe Online
Deep Down
Diablo III
Don't Starve
DriveClub
Everybody's Gone to the Rapture
FEZ
Final Fantasy XIV
Final Horizon
Galak-Z
Guns of Icarus
Helldivers
Hohokum
Hotline Miami 2: Wrong Number
Infamous: Second Son
Injustice: Gods Among Us Ultimate Edition
Killzone: Shadow Fall
Knack
Mercenary Kings
Octodad: Deadliest Catch
N++
Oddworld: New n' Tasty
The Order 1866
Outlast
PlanetSide 2
The Playroom
Primal Carnage: Genesis
Project Phoenix (if its kickstarter goes well)
Ray's The Dead
Res0gun
Rime
Rogue Legacy
Samurai Gunn
Secret Ponchos
Shadow of the Beast
Shadow Warrior
Starbound
Switch Galaxy Ultra
Timesplitters Rewind (just announced)
Tiny Brains
Transistor
Velocity 2X
Volume
Warframe
War Thunder
Wasteland Kings
The Witness

[Kleptic]

^i'm not taking sides in any direction...

but...if people still insist on putting the 'p' in there...you've got a lot of corrections to make...

there is NO 1080'p' at anything LESS than 60fps...that is fundamentally what the 'p' represents...P is used to describe the amount of data leaving 'player' to the monitor...in analag lingo, it meant progressive scan...which was double the amount of data over interlaced...for digital televisions...the p represents the 'full' attachment, in which its 60 frames per second over 1080'i' having 30...the pixels per frame are identical...the rate at which the device/player sends the information...is the 'p'...or the 'i'...

resolution is resolution...the PS4 is playing a lot of games at 1920 x 1080 resolution...but natively rendering at 1080p is FAR less common...so drop the p, the comments will make more sense when speaking of technical details like this...

the only reason the p is still around is so you DON'T have to even mention the refresh rate...p means 60, even though it was always a dumbass marketing gimmick with HDTV's to begin with...but people saying some game is '1080p at 30fps' is blatantly incorrect...for example watch dogs was confirmed to natively spin at 30 fps...and that is NOT 1080p rendering...

[mewhy32]

Well 900p won't look terrible but I'll play 1080p on my PS4. Let's just hope that on multi console release games the PS4 release doesn't get dumbed down because of the lowest common denominator bone. I mean even Ryse is running in 900p and it's a bone exclusive for crying out loud. Glad I preordered the true next gen gaming console PS4.

[thechosenone]

Dude has been on Gaf for over 10yrs if his predictions where really that bad then the mods over there would have banned him long ago.

[The_Villager]

@FamilyGuy

None of those games you mentioned have confirmed resolutions except Killzone Shadowfall which is 1080p 60fps for multiplayer and 1080p 30fps for single player.

[FamilyGuy]

Kleptic

P = progressive scan

Progressive scan does NOT = 60FPS

I don't know where you heard that but you're mistaken. Progressive scan has to do with the method in which the image is created. i = interlaced is an image created by interlacing lines that form to create the image, P = progressive in which the image is created all at once.
60fps is just literally how many frames (images) are displayed within a one second period of time to create an animated picture, aka video.
FPS = refresh rate = Hz

Native 1080p just means that it isn't upscaled and it's a progressively scanned image.

@ The Villager
First of all, fps are not the topic here, fps do not have anything to do with confirmed resolution. Second, all of the ones I mentioned killzone-flower have been confirmed 1080p, them.

[ImG2theB]

@Kleptic - Wrong, P is for Progressive and I is for Interlace. It is how the screen is refreshed using lines. Progressive is refreshed line by line and Interlace is every other line. Has nothing to do with the refresh rate.

[JokesOnYou]

CBoat has a fancy way of talking cryptic, predicting some info we already know (Forza5 1080p 60fps), then guessing very likely info,(not all games will be 1080p this gen), mixed with wild claims (remember the yeild issue, downclock lol), that when dont come true he makes excuses or conveniently moves on with more BS. Wash Rinse and Repeat. He just throws a bunch of crap at the wall and sees what sticks. The only thing he gets right is logical assumptions.

Forza5 is the only next gen AAA exclusive on either console CONFIRMED to be running at 1080p 60fps both online and offline. If Forza5 is doing this at launch logic says as devs become more familar with the X1 more games will reach that target. Hell Lococycle is 1080p 60fps if we are just looking for bullet points.  

The only visually impressive next gen EXCLUSIVE game on ps4 AT LAUNCH is KZ SF and clearly for a shooter KZ SF made compromises for the sp which is why it is NOT at the so called holy grail of 1080p 60fps which points squarely at a compromise....so if we are to imply 1080p 60fps benchmark is above all else most important by this logic COD Ghosts is more impressive technically than KZ SF. Knack at 1080p 30fps is NOT a great accomplishment anymore than Crimson Dragon is at 1080p. Driveclub so far is NOT confirmed 60fps, Forza5 is so to me again X1 has the more impressive lineup because games like DR3 and Ryse have a much bigger scope and they are much more technically impressive games than ps4 LAUNCH exclusives, the devs made them to be next gen experiences in graphics but more importantly in overall design....or they could have played it safe and made a bunch of Lococycle-Crimson Dragon-Knack 1080p type exclusives to fill a stat sheet but hardly scream next gen.

[Saleem101]

Lol your coldblooded liar cboat has been right 95% of the time dude stop it....

[Flebber]

Jokesonyou: "Forza5 is the only next gen AAA exclusive on either console CONFIRMED to be running at 1080p 60fps both online and offline. If Forza5 is doing this at launch logic says as devs become more familar with the X1 more games will reach that target."

Have you heard about Ridge racer 7? It was a launch game on PS3...

[NewMonday]

@JokesOnYou

Wrong, CoD:G is also 1080p/60fps but far from impressive graphicly.

DR3 has tons of Zombies but the graphics quality is lacking, and only 720p

Ryse looks good but runs horrible, and only 900p

Forza has static effects and doesn't impress graphicly

3rd party games are a no-show for the XB1, and when BF4 was finally playable, people complained about the muddy resolution

So far in line with what CBOAT is revealing, also conforming with common sense considering the PS4 is 50% more powerful than the XBone

#dealwithit

[srd4484]

Few of his recent WRONG Claims:
XB1 having production issues - FALSE
XB1 to "Downclock" - FALSE
Said Mirror's Edge and Prince of Persia would be at Microsoft's E3 conference - FALSE

How can u be an insider and not know about the upclocks?? Funny.

[LonChaneyTV]

"Anything lower than 1080p this generation is unacceptable. You people have low standards.. "

no offense to anyone but I think people are little confused about what to expect from the next gen boxes.

Both consoles can render 1080p but To make it a standard it would involve a bit of compromising. if features never evolved so fast it wouldn't be so difficult. for every new game made new features are being implemented, and with each new feature hardware beguines to take it's toll.

games of today are NOT the games of yesterday, and they will never be so long as tech moves forward.

[pop_tarts]

@JokesOnYou: 1080p 60fps is a very nice number, but with a console not able to do such number's Forza 5 had to take out a lot of features. Plain environments (most tress are the exact same throughout the tracks), No weather conditions (this seriously hinders immersion), and no day night cycle All which #DriveClub has which is why that game is 1080p 30fps+.

If DriveClub went exactly the same path as Forza, they'd be beyond BEYOND 60fps with out a question. Also Deep Down confirmed 1080p 60fps F2P!!!

http://www.ign.com/boards/t...

[Kleptic]

@ family guy...

Ok, what i stated was slightly incorrect about refresh rates, although...i already posted what 'i' vs. 'p' is...

I should've specified more clearly...when related to VIDEO GAMES...the 'p' is unneeded, and shouldn't be posted...

interlacing, deinterlacing, and progressive scanning...has absolutely NOTHING to do with digital rendering, digital signal decoding, and digital signal encoding...they are archaic factors referring to analog recreation...and related to how older analog CRT displays function...

its still a process to go through when dealing with something 'filmed' with analog chemical film...

but not a single video game will create 'half' of a single frame at a time, as is the case with what interlaced represents...

the given standard of Full HD 1080p video content IS 1920 x 1080 @ 60 frames per second...yes, there are others at varying frame rates, but its NOT the standard that 'Full HD' represents...for a while broadcasting studios have tried to make 1920 x 1080 @ 50 hz a standard, and it has not stuck...there are also less common signal types such as 1920 x 1080 @ 24 fps (1080/24p) used for movies, but its common practice to mention the different framerate...

so i stand by my overall point...saying 1080p is still stupid for video games...no game is natively rendered in an interlaced format...and frame rates are all over the place depending on the title...because there is NO standard in video game resolutions and frame rates...why attach a given standard to it like there is?

So you are correct...you 'can' have 1080p at something other than 60 fps...its just in everything out side of arm chair pretend tech professionals of the video game world...you would always specify the different frame rate...and since the 'p' is a given with real time digital rendering (no renderers do it differently)...its moot to attach the p and still go off on any number of different refresh rates...

@ImG2theB...yeah, i hear you...i get it...and i hope you're aware that no digital HDTV has scan lines to begin with...'i' and 'p' have nothing to do with how a modern television makes a moving picture anymore...it just has to do with how much information is in a single frame...real time rendering doesn't dabble in the grey area of rendering half a frames information at a time...a full frame is a full frame, you never have a situation where the game engine renders only part of one frame at a time...because it would never work correctly with real time input...

[n4rc]

Resolution isn't the end all be all of gaming...

If one game runs at 60fps but 900p while another runs at 30fps but 1080p... Which is better?

Neither... All games could run at 1080p but developers can target graphical quality or framerate over res. Why is that so hard for some to grasp?

Its the same people that think one spec makes an entire component id gather.

[nypifisel]

CBOAT is probably the most reliable insider I've ever heard of, he got a proven track record of 90%. He mostly got MS inside information though and the predictions about Sony is hit or miss seeing how they come from the MS camp.

[yellowgerbil]

@kleptic
man oh man, could you have any less understanding of what interlaced and progressive mean.
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that is interlaced
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...now that is progressive. The entire picture is shown in EVERY frame. so you get 30 FULL pictures in your 30fps. With interlaced you'd get 30 Half pictures in 30fps (not quite but the simplest way can explain it)

[ImG2theB]

Kleptic - Wrong again, modern TVs still display a frame using progressive and Interlace. I have worked with major TV companies at my previous job at Best Buy Corporate office and this is how a frame is still displayed. The media determines the format that is sent and the capabilities of the player and display determine whether or not it is displayed at that resolution. You are right, 1080P requires more information to be which is why early HD TVs were 720P/1080i resolution but other than that you have no idea what you are talking about and are greatly misinformed.

[NatureOfLogic]

They made sacrifices to Forza 5 to make It 1080p/60fps. That's just sad. It also explains the lack of features you would expect to see in a next gen racer.

[Kleptic]

wait a minute...i think its kind of obvious we're just going in circles with this...

in both of my posts...i talked about interlaced vs. progressive scanning...what both of you seem to be doing...is, for whatever reason, avoiding how your digital HDTV displays an image...and talking about what a interlaced or progressive signal 'looks' like...

both times i said that an interlaced video source effectively has half of the information...progressive has double, or more appropriately 'all' of that data for a single given frame...it doesn't take two source frames to stitch the 'real' frame together...

and, also, in both posts...i said how NONE of that has anything to do with real time rendering of video games...

Remember the launch of the PS3? Remember how it wouldn't play ps3 software on 1080i only hdtv's that did not support 720p (it would instead scale down to 480p)?...and do you remember why? This is EXACTLY what i'm talking about...

the 1080i only HDTV's had no way of understanding the progressive video stream it was receiving from the PS3...at least at that HD resolution...the PS3 would then be forced to scale it to a lower resolution, in progressive nature, so that the TV's hardware knew what to do with it...The PS3 software was not interlaced to begin with...because games can not be rendered like that...It took a firmware update with additional post-processing for the upscaler to divide the native progressive signal into something those specific tv's could handle at 1080 resolution...resulting in even more complaints, and tons of input lag...

You're also in the group of referring to digital televisions resolutions in terms of 'lines'...yeah, a 1080p tv is 1080 'lines' tall display wise...but the way 'scan lines', in analog TVs work, compared to an HDTV's digital pixel specific sequencing...is completely different...thats what i meant by the differences...HDTV's do NOT have scan lines...they can handle interlaced and progressive signals, but because of converters, not because the panels throw a single line of the image up every 1/30 second like CRT's do...digital TV's just pop the entire frame up x times a second, but the image is compiled with half the data if the source material is interlaced (usually its the full res when interlaced, but each frame with low range RGB/color data, etc.)...but i stand by what i said...this is a topic of bandwidth (i vs. p, that is)...its NOT how your display functions in terms of video games...

if either of you can show me a video game in which the renderer interlaces the signal and sends it out of whatever device its being played on...I'll stand corrected...but no joke, this i/p and what broadcasters worry about with cable bandwidth...couldn't be further away from gaming...that was the only point i was trying to make...

[ImG2theB]

The point that you tried to make is that the difference between 1080P and 1080i is that one is 60fps and the other is 30fps. You have since gone back and researched the subject and are now regurgitating what you read since each post comes closer and closer to being correct.

[TheTwelve]

CBOAT has been very correct about a whole bunch of things, much more than he's been incorrect. In this case, he's only adding more confirmation to other rumors saying the same thing.

The X1 is rushed, but they know they have to get the thing out there this year to stay at least competitive, and hope to work out the kinks in the coming years.

[net123456]

@Kleptic

You are totally off with your interpretion.

[shadow2797]

Kleptic, I'm going to help you out so that your next post is even more informed than the last (which seems to be the pattern, as ImG2theB pointed out).

You state that 1080p is some kind of broadcast standard (at 60fps). This isn't true. I'm not an expert on global broadcast stations, but I do work at a local station in America and I can tell you it is far from standard to broadcast in 1080p. Check your cable box. Mine has an option for 720p and 1080i. No 1080p. I'm pretty sure it's not even possible with current technology. Nor would it be efficient for the stations (who had to be pushed to upgrade to HD). In fact, the only way to watch anything 1080p on your TV is through video games or DVD/Blu-ray. Ironically, the latter is never (rarely ever) native 60 fps.

So the "P" in 1080p ONLY means that the signal is progressive. FPS has NOTHING to do with "Full HD".

Now your argument that we shouldn't use P when discussing resolution with videogames is a pretty silly one. Particularly when you've already stated that it's possible to play videogames at 1080i on PS3. 1080p is part of the lingo, whether you accept it or not.

[Gamer1982]

@mikeslemonade your correct and the only way your gonna get all your games in 1080p is PC not even PS4 is gonna do 1080p for all games thanks to 3rd partys wanting to keep parity so they will downclock the ps4 versions to 720p to match. We already saw it with Battlefield.

[Kleptic]

I did admit my first post was off...that was incorrect, it was a mistake to attach the frame rate to the 'p'...

I also didn't go and research this more...it was a very common debate throughout the beginning of the current generation...I just slipped up on some of the information...

regardless...shadow...the p and the i are currently, and always will be, marketing gimmicks when it comes to video games...Did we sit around debating this stuff before 2006? Why not? PC's have been capable of those resolutions and framerates (even on displays that this stuff actually applies to) since the early 90's...

the p and the i stuff only showed up when moving from analog CRT tv's to digital HDTV's...so that particularly techy people would understand what types of signals the 'new' tv's would accept...it never applied to video games, and never will, because a video game fundamentally is not rendered in an interlaced video format...

[ambientFLIER]

newmonday -

"Forza has static effects and doesn't impress graphicly"

FACEPALM....really dude???

[Redempteur]

@ambientFLIER

unfortunatly this is true , forza 5 has pre baked lightning and isn't even capable of doing dya/night transistions properly ( or at all ).

Aside from the number of polygons , there is nothing next-gen in Forza 5. And by that i mean technical features .. On that aspect , driveclub and even gran turismo 6 have much more impressive tech both on the driving side or in the graphical side.

I mean just look at Forza 5 lightning model , it's almost embarrasing.

[gigoran]

@jcnba28

Yes you are 100% correct ... so where are the native 1080p PS4 games?

Where did he say anything about ps4, fanboy? He said that people are willing to accept below par gaming machines in an age where they should be much higher. Have you even learned to read or is your microsoft fanboyism just blinding your judgment to everything in the world?

[_QQ_]

@mikeslemonade let me fix it "anything below 1080p 60FPS."

[pixelsword]

I don't think standards are an issue: we were promised 1080p games this gen, so our standards went out of the door when we accepted less.

[ambientFLIER]

Redempteur - Why is it that everyone who has actually PLAYED forza 5 says it looks beautiful and next-gen, yet all the sony fanboys claim the opposite?

[Fireseed]

Bu bu but they're not full HD how could possibly have fun? How can a game that's technically inferior to others still be fun?!?! It's blasphemy I tell you! D:

On a more serious note I got to play it at Brock University in St. Catherines, ON. Dude, I thought I was hyped for KI before, but after playing the unfinished Gamescom build I CANNOT wait to own my copy this Nov!!! November why you gotta be so far away!?!?!? :'(

[n4rc]

Wait what? When were they at Brock?

I woulda gone down.. Lol

[Fireseed]

They were there on October 10th, me and a buddy drove up from Niagara Falls, NY to play it was pretty cool but they only had the gamescom build of KI and Forza 5 playable. Then again KI is my single most anticipated game ever so I was content, but it sucked just wiping the floor with everyone :/

[MizTv]

As long as there isn't any screen tearing I'll be fine

[Volkama]

I thought it was just me that hates screen tearing. Never want to see it again.

[Blaze929]

why is it that everytime we hear about development issues it comes from some "unknown" "insider" source? Yet no actual confirmed developers have stated they have ran into any issues with the Xbox One yet.

[wishingW3L]

do you bite the hand that feeds you?

[Simon_Brezhnev]

dont waste your time wishingw3l he is a very sly troll.

[BG11579]

Where are the indie games then?

[Pogmathoin]

Does having fun with a game matter anymore or is it looks only? I will have both systems, and just want to have a blast.... Get over it people...

[LordDhampire]

He didn't really leak anything everything he said was pretty much speculation

All he said was because of the overclock expect rrod like crashes...but everyones been saying that...he like most sony fans think microsofts been rushing the xbox one

[3-4-5]

Gameplay matters more than 1080p.

That being said, Gameplay wasn't Xbox 360's strongest asset.

I love my 360, but own very few games from over the past 6 years with it.

Not a lot of "classic" games or games with re-play value.

Any of the "good" games are almost always reliant upon Multiplayer community within the launch period of game.

After that, they pull servers eventually.

XB1 looks pretty good and the controller looks amazing, but I just don't have faith in Microsoft giving us fun games to play. just more of the same, but at 900p

[JamieL]

Wow, what is Sony doing that's so different so far? All I see is "prettier" versions of the same thing so far. I'm sure you can list a million reasons and ways the PS4 is "a beast" and "8 GB of GDRR5 RAM Be-ach!!!!", blah, blah, blah, but really I see the same thing every new Sony console has been about, better graphics. I see Nin, and MS trying new angles, but all Sony's done is clone the 360's successful model, add a few perks and say exactly what gamers want to hear. Sadly enough what they say, and gamers want to hear, in my opinion is, "Everything’s going to stay just the same". People do not welcome change, and things have to change, otherwise things will stagnate. I'm not saying that Kinect, the cloud, or tablet controllers are the answer, but cool stuff has to start somewhere, not just keeping everyone in their comfort zone. That’s why these corporations we fight about run this world, and are in their mansions laughing at our supreme ignorance while they count the money.

[Drekken]

Kleptic - LOL. You sure did type a lot of words for being completely wrong.

[Magicite]

That is one witty two-faced statement :P

[ballsohard2013]

@JokesOnYou brings up a valid point. Out of All the next-gen titles on both systems, i see very few next gen quality. Here's where i see next-gen:

-Killzone (ps4)
-Ryse (X1)
-Drive Club Ps4
-Deep Down (ps4)
-Dead Rising (x1)
-TitanFall (x1) (not graphically next gen but in scope)

Most of the other launch titles look like ps3/x360 hd games. Exclusive wise i think there will be game changers coming like Halo and hopefully an uncharted.

Exclusives is where ps4 will struggle vs x1. XboxLive and the online community is also a challenge for ps4.

hopefully as developers put in work they can unleash the power of both systems

[ABeastNamedTariq]

"Exclusives is where ps4 will struggle vs x1."

Lol, what? How?

[prodg52]

How will the PS4 struggle vs X1 in exclusives?

[Ju]

MS's brainwashing is quite effective. How does Live give you anything beyond any other service? I just don't get it. Network is network. Dedicated servers are available to whoever wants to run code on one. It's not rocket science and has been done forever.

I think PSN on PS4 has quite some advantages over Live - be it "Live on PlayStation", longer clip recording, game sharing, "spectating" with friends incl. "jump into a live game", streaming to other devices (incl. PS Vita). Cross game chat will be available (part of the OS now). What's the benefit? Skype? (which isn't even part of Live)? Live is the same ol', Nothing changed. And it had no advantages in the past (other than cross chat). So, how is Sony struggling here?

[jeffgoldwin]

@ballso

This is N4sony for a good reason. You will not win any kind of sony vs ms arguments here ever. Just how they roll here.

[Eyeco]

"This is N4sony for a good reason. "

It's funny you call it that, because most of the major news in gaming over the past news an especially the last year (excluding 3rd party) has been Playstation specific, from exclusives like TLOU, GOW, Ni No Kuni, to the PS4 reveal back in February, to extremely positive dev feedback of the PS4, to the ever increasing quality of PS+. It's really no wonder why there are allot of PS fans on the site.

Really whats come from Microsoft over the last year ? outside of Kinect and the disastrous XB1 reveal ? nothing, or what about Nintendo ? besides the lively 3DS the dead Wii, and the silent WiiU also nothing.

Are you really surprised ? once XB1 releases, and the Wii-U starts to warm up in 2014, the spectrum is going to appear different.

[nypifisel]

I'm honestly at a loss with what you people were expecting? Photo-realism? I agree that your list is pretty solid (except for Titanfall... That game just looks.. yuck).

But I have to call it; those games you just listed could NEVER be done on current generation hardware, Killzone being the title that has impressed me the most recently. And I never even played any games on console this generation. That aside though I did experience what the pretty pathetic specs of current gen consoles had to offer, PC ports did look sharper and ran better but jeez did they structurally just look like crap, you could see that they were polished turds rather than gold.

Killzone though and the other titles to some degree do give me some hope for the future of games. I have yet seen any game look as fantastic as Killzone, if anything the scope of the reveal and the lighting alone should convince you that this is miles ahead of current gen.

[iGamerZero24]

Really ? I live in tampa and would love to play the Xbox One before releases

[UnholyLight]

You know there's something really wrong with this site when the voting bar says "Hopefully". I know I would vote "No way" whether its the Xbox One or PS4. Why do you guys want competition to fail?? Don't we want to have the most diverse options to choose from and play?

So sad how the collective minds and bandwagon effect has taken place in regards to these two consoles!

I'll have em both this gen!!!

[C-Thunder]

They're just guessing as to whether it's true or not, not hoping it is, the site uses that term for some reason.

[UnholyLight]

I never thought of it that way. Good call.

[otherZinc]

Where's SONYs 1080p "native" @ 60fps games?
Said by "Developers & or SONY", NOT "N4G"?

Provide a link, or shut your lying mouths!
Of Developers & or SONY!

Forza 5- is the only big game that does both:
1080p "native @ 60fps "(BOTH)"!
Forza 5 is the only game that does BOTH!

[xXxSeTTriPxXx]

That's all it does is run at 1080 60fps, but does nothing dynamic what so ever.

[nypifisel]

You know we had games that are 10 years old that can run in 1080p/60fps. Resolution is not impressive in itself unless it got some filler to match.

Matter of the fact is that ALL announced PS4 exclusives with a confirmed resolution is at 1080p. Forza being the Xbox Ones only title to run at that resolution. The downgrade in polygon count and resolution of Ryse should really be enough to convince you were you not so blinded. If Crytech can't push more out of the Xbox One you really shouldn't get your hopes up for other titles. All information we've gotten these past months really do tell a story of an underpowered machine and a major oversight in design from MS part. The 32mb eSRAM just isn't big enough for todays engines to push 1080p with any kind of anti AA. This also should be enough for you to realise that the eSRAM solution was a cheap cop out by MS.

[BX81]

@thechosenone

Sure and that's why Michael P. Is banned from sites.

[blackmanone]

I think Kleptic should win an award. Sticking to your opinions no matter how wrong you are time and time again. If only GeorgeNoob could see this :).

[memots]

Let me guess this is Sony Fanboy fault again?

[BallsEye]

So now we submiting comments of random neogaf guy as news and rumors? Woah...btw this CBOAT was more wrong than right ALWAYS. I probably can predict stuff better than this guy. His preditions work 2/10

[lifeisgamesok]

Everyone knows CBOAT is on Sony's payroll

This guy has so many wrong rumors that didn't come true in the past

Funny how ppl are playing these games right now on the ACTUAL console and you don't hear of these problems

[grassyknoll]

Was he on the payroll when he said Dead Rising 3 was exclusive, Titanfall was exclusive & he correctly knew the 360 specs?

[Sitdown]

Ummmm, I am not saying he is or is not on Sony's payroll.....but what you just posted is not a logical argument for him not being on their payroll.

[infectedaztec]

Well if Sony knew they weren't getting titan fall or dead rising it doesn't take a genius to figure out theyre xb1 exclusives

[grassyknoll]

In reply to people below, it's pretty obvious he works for Microsoft: his success rate is incredibly high. He would have been booted off Neogaf if his rumours were that inconsistent.

[srd4484]

Is this the same guy who said XB1 was having production issues and would be Downclocked??? But was only proven wrong when XB1 upclocked gpu & cpu. How did he get that wrong? His worshipers don't talk about those false claims..Why? If he was such a MS Insider as claimed, he should have known about the upclocks.

[iamnsuperman]

I hope he isn't on Sony's payroll with that kind of track record. Sony would be wasting their money otherwise

(pointing out the ridiculous in lifeisgamesok post)

[pyramidshead]

That's ironic coming from an avid misterx blog reader :P.

*insert mirror comment here*
"Everyone knows misterxmedia is on Microsoft's payroll..." etc etc.
The difference being misterx has 0% accuracy. While Cboat has been around before the 360 days leaking good news and bad news for Xbox, and has a good track record. :).

Isn't the 15/16th the new rumour release date of the new upgraded GPU? Will be interesting what gets released this week amirite? ;). (personally I'm expecting another excuse or some more BS about NDAs etc)

[MightyNoX]

CBOAT has a 70/30 success rate, I put far more clout to his claims than anything that comes out of the Empty Suits at MS

[XabiDaChosenOne]

Thatis funny you say that since he has indirectly implied a couple of times that he works for MS.

[PS4OUR]

@lifeisgamesok:

So much salt in your comment Lol.
So now CBOAT is not to be trusted. This latest comment from him has been backed up by Thuway and Famousmortimer, respected members of GAF.

May the salt continue to flow

[pyramidshead]

I wouldn't bother quoting gaf on a site like this now, it'll only be instantly downplayed to the 'sonygaf' comment. When in reality it's one of the most tightly regulated gaming forums in regards to news from insiders, game devs and general people in the know that can or have proven their status/identity/employment to the moderators(whom some are vetted third party developers also) as to not get instantly banned from spreading FUD and false claims.

If Cboat was unreliable or proven to be false he would have been banned in 2005 or sooner.

Which brings me to the comment I made above. Some people would rather rest their knowledge on another 'insider' with no valid credibility wth constantly debunked pipe dreams, no vetted acknowledgement that he/she(the insider) even exists outside the narrative of the author of the blog(which sometimes leads me to believe the insider is simply made up lol), on a site that seems to be the last bastion for xbox fanboys to congregate(although lately his past articles have been littered with defecting believers because they are starting to catch onto the bullshit) and mate while the rest of the internet and public opinion thinks differently, and not on blind hate for microsoft, but for valid reasons!

[boneso82]

@lifeisgamesok

If CBOAT is on Sony's payroll, why are Microsoft sending him Xbox One for testing?

Logic eludes you young xbot...

[lifeisgamesok]

Can you even prove that MS sent him a dev kit?

He obviously doesn't even know of the final hardware

Where's the pictures? I'll wait

[awesomeperson]

@lifeisgamesok

I don't know if you're delusional, or just trolling, but in order to post as an insider on Neogaf you must prove your actual position to one of the moderators.

He has been right much more than wrong, and has been doing this since before the 360 launch.

Shut your ears and try to block it out if you will, read Misterx's blog if it makes you feel better about your choice, but don't expect any secret sauce in your box on day one.

[boneso82]

If you read the article, the Microsoft guy says the he is using a version of the console, I don't need to prove anything, you just need to read the article before jumping on your fanwagon...

[lodossrage]

PixelEnemy again huh...

First they tried to make Sony the fall guy for an individual retailer's choice to try to force bundle upgrades from their "anonymous source".

Now this, an "insider" making claims about XB1 games running below 1080p and system not being reliable.

It's very obvious this site is putting these "stories" up for the sake of traffic. You guys just need to stop fanning the flames of flamebait and stop helping crap like this spread

[torchic]

this story has been swirling around for the past few hours.

tbf to pixelenemy I'm pretty sure many more websites are running this story as well.

[lodossrage]

If that turns out to be the case, then I owe them an apology.

[infectedaztec]

I've found pixel enemy to be very antiMS

[stavrami]

900p is still better than 720 though.and as long as u don't spread ur pixel meincraft graphics over to the ps4 .we will get on just fine. just fine i say

[grassyknoll]

Technically, a frame buffer has to be at least 48MB (realistically that could go into 200MB) to be 1080p for most games. 32MB ESRAM limit means games will aim for 900/720p.

[FamilyGuy]

So this is the issue? the size of the eSRAM is making 1080p difficult for the X1?

It'd be interesting to know more on the subject.

[grassyknoll]

I honestly think the system was designed to run at 720/900p mainly in the first place. Not only the relatively small ESRAM, but it's ROP output & the use of a modified Bonaire GPU. This is why a scaler was build into the hardware to dynamically upscale / downscale resolution.

[MasterCornholio]

That tiny 32mb was going to be a limitation somewhere.

@grassyknoll

Plus they wanted to include Kinect with system so in order to keep the price down they had to spend less on hardware.

Nexus 7 2013

[4logpc]

No...just no.

[grassyknoll]

If a game uses deferred rendering (That's Unreal Engine 4, Cryengine 3, Frostbite, Sony's first party engine to name a few!), you'll need 48 mb at least for 1080p frame buffer. Forza uses forward rendering that's why it's one of the few 1080p games on Xbox One.

[nypifisel]

What do you mean no? It's how it works, there's no denying physics lol

[yellowgerbil]

black text on red, really professional. Not even gunna bother reading

[TIER1xWOLFPACKx]

you didnt let the page load fully, it black text on white with a red background. basically like this site but this site has a grey background

[DigitalRaptor]

What did we tell you? Sony was ready, released their console to the world first, as planned.

Microsoft wasn't expecting Sony to be so far ahead in their plans, to reveal their next gen vision in Feb 2013, and certainly not expecting a new console from them for 2013. They we're also not expecting Sony to be on top as they are going forward. Xbox One development started in 2010. That's 3 years ago. PS4 development started in 2008. Sony are more prepared and further ahead, and it shows.

That is why so many of the touted features of the Xbox One are not ready for launch, especially in other regions. It's why they've had to constantly make changes to their policies and the hardware itself. It's why when a number of representatives were asked about the console and its policies, you saw vague answer and confused, mixed messaging and atrocious PR. Another rush to the market is something I'm sure Microsoft are cautious of, but at this stage if they don't launch this year, they know they're lost to Sony.

CBOAT may have been wrong before, but he's got a better track record for being right, than being wrong.

[MightyNoX]

Well said, have a bubble.

[buynit]

To be fair, ms came to the table with more then just specs and their are things that isn't going to be ready at launch for the ps4 either.

Im not worried Im sure i will be playing fun and great looking games on both consoles...

[Deadpoolio]

Clearly Microsoft wasn't ready it's blatantly obvious...They keep dropping their launch shipment numbers cut countries from 21 to 13....Only have 5 actually getting fully function kinect....

And lets not forget they claim they had their FCC cert before Sony got theirs in July...Yet they didn't start actual production of the console until mid September....

[BOLO]

"ms came to the table with more then just specs"...You damn right they did. A whole lot of PR mumbo jumbo the average consumer has no idea about.

Sony: "Here are the PS4 specs as follows..."

M$FT: "Xbox one will support a unilateral balancing system coupled with a 5 billion transistor super scaling processor served on a cumulonimbus atmospheric data stream, Direct X 11.1-2 x Pi, Kinect, and...A water cooler."

[The_Villager]

"Sony are more prepared and further ahead, and it shows."

- Day 1 system update
- Headset support still not confirmed
- We have to wait for a patch to record gameplay due to sony encrypting HDCP.
- Gaikai not available until 2014 at the earliest

Sony are just as bad pal.

[Lucreto]

1. Microsoft has a huge day one update to get rid of the drm.

2. All wired headsets and headphones will work when plugged into the controller.

3. Didn't hear about this. I am aware it is delayed on the XBox One.

4. You try and have something that big working less than a year after buying the company.

[GentlemenRUs]

I use a splitter to strip the HDCP so I will be streaming the PS4 come the 29th ;)

Full 1080p baby!

[stuff]

In-OS gameplay capture will work day-one. It's the capture of gameplay with external devices that will require a patch due to HDCP.

[PS4OUR]

Yes like all the 180's Sony has pulled since the reveal of the PS4, coupled with the upclocks to the system.
Sony is definately the least prepared of the two companies.

[Kayant]

- "Day 1 system update" - We don't that yet for sure but it's very likely.
- "Headset support still not confirmed" - Yes this is a bit weird but controller chat & sound will work through the 3.5mm jack as confirmed by turtle beach. BT/USB is unconfirmed.

- "We have to wait for a patch to record gameplay due to sony encrypting HDCP." - I wouldn't really class this as not being ready it's more of them being ignorant to the popularity of game capture & them thinking their integrated sharing would have been fine instead.

- "Gaikai not available until 2014 at the earliest." - Well it was never announced to be launching anytime soon anyway it was announced as a work in progress/staged plan which it is.

[Deadpoolio]

You mean like Micro$haft who has a huge day 1 update just to make the console function.

No headset compatibility whatsoever unless you purchase their headset adapter CONFIRMED that you cannot use chat on any headset that isn't a new One80 headset.

Non upgradeable HDD

AAA batteries unless you buy the new $25 play and charge

Kinect only working fully in 5 countries

CONFIRMED NO external HDD support on the One80 and launch....And mark my words they will force you to purchase an overpriced official MS brand external, you watch....

You realize that EVERYTHING has a day 1 patch except the ONE80 because they have to actually initialize the online functions right....the console will function fine without it unlike the ONE80 which will not work unless you download the huge patch

[Nodoze]

Rushed to market Microsoft hardware. I am sensing another RROD scenario from them. Anyone who buys a 'day one' version is a FOOL!

[buynit]

Deadpoolio..

Again xb1 has a more in the box than just specs so i would be surprised if it went smooth.. The hdmi input has to work with many different regions and cable providers and kinect has to work with many different languages and stuff..

All ps4 has to do at launch is play that game you bought now don't get me wrong Im not complaining just pointing out the obviously bigger pictrue you keep ignoring.

At the end of the day i know i will have an xb1 on launch day with good cable and internet to take advantage of everything xb1 has to offer. You sit their and worry about fcc region this and that and the ppl that don't have the internet speed or cable while i worry about what games to buy and where i should place my console...

[jeffgoldwin]

@Digital

Seven years of planning. Both MS and Sony were more than ready. That's a very transparent fanboy argument. This has been the longest cycle in console history. So if you think this cycle was rushed, what do you suppose companies went through with the 5 year cycles?

No sir, to say a 7 year cycle was rushed, is to fail the logic/common sense test.

[Hicken]

That's stupid.

If you planned for your 7 year cycle to start in 2014, but had to start it in 2013, some things would probably be rushed.

That's what you're seeing with Microsoft right now.

Your argument fails because the points aren't relevant: there's no correlation at all.

Design a device meant to be used for 20 years, but encounter stumbling blocks that cause it to be released later than expected. Or, conversely, run into competition or good fortune that means you release it early. The lifespan of the device isn't inherently affected by whether it's rushed to market, delayed, or right on time.

[jeffgoldwin]

Hicky is my secret stalker. He follows me around and shares his love. Creepy, but hey, we all gotta have our fans.

I have him on ignore so I don't bother reading his angry and fanatical messages.

[Hicken]

That's a convenient way of avoiding addressing when you're completely and utterly wrong. Akin to sticking your fingers in your ears and closing your eyes.

No surprise, really. Typical attitude of a MS fanboy.

[omegaheat]

Really N4g? Has it become so hard to find clickers for the Xbox One that garbage like this gets posted. Everyday it seems like the Xbox One has to prove itself while we barely get any footage of PS4 games being played or previewed. All we get is "an anonymous developer says"...and then it finishes with Sony's console is the greatest thing that's ever happened to us. Sony has definitely played it safe by letting the web say whatever it wants by never clarifying anything unless it's negative news that gets posted over the internet that they don't want people to read. I don't want a generation with one console, so why do people want the Xbox One to fail so badly? Or is it just cool to hate Microsoft?

[Idba]

There are ps4 games being showcased/prewied on N4G everyday, and tell me negative stuff Sony has "scuffed" under the carpet.

[warczar]

yeah, sony should be more like microsoft and have kneejerk reactions to everything that's posted on the internet.

and just to clarify, I don't think it's just cool to hate microsoft it's also classy.

[deadie]

@omegaheat:
"So why do people want the Xbox One to fail so badly?"

Youre kidding right? You seriously dont know?

[christocolus]

i called it...fanboys need to chill out..let the consoles launch and allow the devs to do their jobs..but if thats not enough then you can use always put up magnifying glasses against your tvs to count each pixel difference on xbx and ps4 games....while you doing that i would be half way through all my launch titles.

[MRMagoo123]

You arent gonnna need a magnifying glass to see the graphical differences between the 2 systems, If you have both consoles it will be pretty obvious when your frame rates drop below 30 on the xbone but stays above 30 all the time on the ps4, and if the devs want to keep the res and fps the same on both consoles they will need to remove or downgrade things on the xbone to keep it up with the ps4 version. I dont even care if you believe any of that or Cboat but he hasnt been wrong often probably sitting at around 90 to 95% accuracy for around 10 years lol so that should prove all you need to prove.

[christocolus]

dude a dev working on the console just dismissed cboats claims and realy i dont care about all thay dude..call me a fanboy but so far im happy with what ms has done with its console and im getting the xbx 1 day1 mostly for the launch exclusives and post launch titles,live etc...and i am willing to bet on it as devs get accustomed to the hardware you wont see much of a difference in multi plat titles..but lets all watch and see.

[Flutterby]

@christoc

You mean the dev that claimed he had an Xbox one for over a year and had it turned on for 30 days lol, he didn't even mention the fact games will be 900p or less because he knows it is true , cboat has been wrong maybe 3 to 4 times on MS related news the guy works for them lol, the dev also completely forgot to debunk pretty much everything said and we all know why. If you don't care about any of this why defend it in the first place you just seem desperate to ignore the truth and then hide behind that by saying you don't care anyway. Enjoy your Xbox one but don't expect for a second that it will keep up with the ps4 even in multiplats cos it won't for a fact.

[medman]

What a shock..Microsoft comes up short in console power, reliability, and graphical capability. Where have we seen this b4? Oh, that's right...that's the way it's always been. My bad.

[Death]

Yes, we can absolutely make that claim since neither console has launched yet. Where have we seen this before? Every day on N4G.

[Concertoine]

console power (lolwut)
reliability (original xbox and ps2 had negligible failure rate difference)
graphical capability (orignal xbox was miles ahead of ps2 in terms of graphical ability.)

so no, that's not the way its always been, you uninformed, belligerent fanboy.

[hellvaguy]

@medman

The original Xbox was alot I more powerful than ps2 and had a built in ethernet port, 4 controller slots, & a 20 gb hard drive instead of memory cards. Just sayin....

[No_Pantaloons]

Games can be plenty fun at 900p, but I wont tolerate lies and this looks to be another 180 they'll be adding to the list.

[MajorMayhem70]

Can't wait to get my hands on the new X1 controller. Killer Instinct, Forza and COD Ghost are a day one definite. Day two is Dead Rising 3, Battlefield 4 and Ryse. Lol

[MajorMayhem70]

To all those that disagree. Day 3 is Madden, NBA Live and Watch Dogs. Gotta get all this gaming in cause in a few months it's all about Titanfall.

[Concertoine]

I dont get it, the freaking wii u has more confirmed 1080p native games than xbox one. Bayonetta 2 and mario kart 8 and smash bros 4, all run in 1080p AND 60 fps, and given that they look a helluva lot better than ryse.

[gamer2013]

Obvious troll

[Concertoine]

Im not implying the wii u is more capable of 1080p, im implying the xbox one's devs are either lazy or dont see any difference in 900p vs 1080p

[TheLastVoiceOFsanity]

I think this all has to do with graphics. i don't think you can push the gpu to the absolute limit and also run a 1080p,60fps game, but even if you lower the graphically capability that doesn't instantly make the PS4, or XBOX ONE 1080p PS3 'S & XBOX360'S. because everyone for the most part now has a 1080p tv i think all developers should focus on pushing the gpu as far as possible without sacrificing the possibility of 1080p, 60fps resolution. i think that's probably what nintendo is doing.

[MRMagoo123]

Its nothing to do with what you are thinking, it mostly comes down to the ESram if you check the gaf forum someone known as a dev explains it very well, but the basics of it is that the 32mb ram size is too small for info needed to run a game at 1080p on the xbone unless they make it in an about arsed kinda way like they have done with forza, forza doesnt have much going on in the game besides the cars for a reason and that so they could get it to run at 1080p with 60fps.

If you where to try to run KZsf on the xbone it wouldnt work because they would need upwards and above at least 48mb of ESram. That alone proves the xbone wont perform as well as the ps4.

Im sure ppl will disagree but its all true.

[JuniorCE]

Oddly enough, Microsoft claims about the X1 is ready for 4k? How? by upscaling resolution from 900p? Really??? My DVD player already does that a long time ago LOL

[kB0]

I'm glad I'm buying a ps4 but still have a powerful PC/laptop.

Will be playing multiplatforms on pc, and exclusives, prob platformers and sports on ps4:)

[TemplarDante]

CBOAT has a 100% accuracy rating with his info. His balls are on the line 24/7. when he speaks. So, this is true.

[Call_Of_Doggy]

If you're on Gaf, you know Cboat. and If youve heard his other confirmed rumors, you'd know why Im #TeamCBoat.
Woof!

[Nocando]

I love how most of you clicked "hopefully" on this rumor being true lol.

[GTgamer]

I laughed when i saw that.

[wishingW3L]

fanboys don't just want their console of choice to succeed but that all the other ones fail.

[OrangePowerz]

Can`t speak for others but I don`t mind the Wii U to succeed. I have an original Xbox and a 360, but that doesn`t change the fact that I hate MS. They have the worst business practices no matter in what area they do stuff. They couldn`t care less about their customers and always think that their money can buy them everything including customers. They undermine the competition with shady methods at any point they can and I could go on. It`s not like the other companies are saints or don`t think about making money, but out of all of them MS is the worst by a long shot.

[SnakeCQC]

Im not surprised; most of the halo games on the 360 ran below 720p.

[black0o]

time well tell ... 5+ weeks to go

[BobBelcher]

lol... God, I can't believe rumors get this sort of attention. Whether it's the dGPU rumor, The Last Guardian rumor, or this pile of garbage. I'll wait for facts rather than feed off of trash like this.

[SuperWeeb]

Why aren't you guys talking about something that matters?
Like the picture? Jesus Christ that controller is huge...

[tuglu_pati]

Reports say it a bit smaller than the 360 one, so i guess it's not that big.

[FITgamer]

That doesn't matter, also it's the angle of the picture the controller is actually a little smaller and lighter than the 360 controller.

[Nocando]

Its just the angle of photography, baby hands.

[SuperWeeb]

Small hands, big glands ;)

[MCTJim]

Yeah...I take what CBoat says with a grain of salt. He had a better track record with the 360..now, no so much. As with all rumors, I will take it with a grain of salt. Until I see side by side comparisons.....ie each game running a finished production model and none of this beta/gif/alpha comparisons, I will hold judgement for a later date.

[PFFT]

This guy has as much credibility as MisterXmedia.

[GTgamer]

MisterXmedia=1-2% right
CBOAT=80-90% right
Please go on NEOgaf and do some research.

[pyramidshead]

that 1-2% you're giving to misterx is quite generous lol.

[GTgamer]

@pyramidshead i didn't wanna seem too harsh lol.

[Kayant]

Nope wrong.

Misterx has 0% credibility

CBOAT has a lot more no sure of percentage but here are things he has gotten right so far ---> http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

People don't emptily believe him for no reason you know. He has a proven track record that's why he's stuff are at least taken into consideration.

[CR7JUVE1897]

What I find funny is the fact that the bar is currently set at "hopefully".

As if the majority of you won't be getting both consoles at one point or another.

Unreal.

[RVanner_]

@Jcnba28 & MikesLemonade

Mike is 100% correct, every game being released on both next gen consoles should comfortably be 1080p. Proof will be in the pudding, people can talk about it all day endlessly.

I don't know Mike on here but I can only assume that he was speaking as a PC gamer, referring to both next gen consoles.

I do feel that all releases should be achieving 1080p but still the games will be impressive and future titles should achieve this. It is early days.

[arbitor365]

i just hope developers dont gimp their games to the lowest common denominator (aka the xbox one) this time around.

[MultiConsoleGamer]

^This is the spin you're going to hear all next gen when PS4 graphics fail to live up to the lofty claims of Sony PR, just like every previous Sony console.

I'm still waiting for the reality engine to deliver my Toy Story graphics in pure 4D. Maybe next gen...

[thekhurg]

Until 1st party PS4 games live up to the "lofty claims of Sony PR".

Like they are already showing...

[MultiConsoleGamer]

Yeah with games that look like ps3 running at 30 FPS per second.

[Ju]

What's wrong with 30fps? It's not like they would run 900p @ 30fps. Ry...ugh

[sigfredod]

Wow if this is correct, then i'm really sorry for the xbox fans, reliability issues att this point? after the RROD fiasco? i hope not for the MS buyers

[sAVAge_bEaST]

bf4- originally was going to be 1080p,, then downgraded to 900p,.. thanks xbone.
I doubt Hardware failure , will result in more units sold this time around.. Most likely the person will just get a Ps4, if the xbone fails --.

[gamer2013]

PS4 can't do 1080p with BF4 it's already been confirmed (google it) so quit you're pathetic trolling.

[Moldiver]

Yes the PS4 can do Bf4 at 1080P. XB1 is holding it back. Just accept that sony is winning ;)

[no_more_trolling]

whats with this whole sony is winning garbage
do you share the winnings too?

if so cut me in

[MultiConsoleGamer]

Complete and utter bullshit, just like the 50% rumor which was also spread by NeoGAF

And of course you'll find both LIES spread prominently on N4G and NeoGAF.

Xbox (and Nintendo) fans if you ever needed more proof that both sites are against you here it is. Even IGN spoke out against this lying "insider."

This is just more of GAF's black PR agenda just like:

-The Xbox 360 version of GTA IV has "problems"
-Nintendo is going to discontinue the DS early and replace it with a portable GameCube
-The PS4 is 50% more powerful than the Xbox One
-Nintendo is going third party

Etc, etc, etc....

[TomahawkX]

PS4 IS 50% more powerful.

[srd4484]

Here are a few of his WRONG Claims of recent:
was having yeild issues - FALSE
XB1 to "Downclock" - FALSE
Said Mirror's Edge and Prince of Persia would be at Microsoft's E3 conference.

How can u be an insider and not know about the upclocks?? Funny.

[DJ]

It's not even the Xbone GPU's fault. It's the stupid DDR3 ram being used for the GPU.

Microsoft should have spent a little more money on GDDR5 ram. Based off what developer have said, it's the main reason most PS4 titles will run at 1080p and 30 FPS minimum.

[Ju]

Don't understand why you're getting so many disagrees. It's simply the lack of bandwidth which forces the XBone to drop the resolution (and the "balance" designed around it). Nothing wrong with your statement. The PS4 has a massive bandwidth advantage due to GDDR5, no matter how MS is trying to spin the numbers.

[PsylentKiller]

I don't understand how people are so focused on 1080p/60fps. Anything can run that resolution and frame rate. It's just a matter of how much stuff you can put in the game before those numbers take a dip. A prime example is CoD. They have been hitting the 1080p/60fps mark for a while now but their graphics are not the greatest. Hopefully, MS devs are putting so much into the game that they need to aim lower resolution and frame rate. Maybe Sony devs are putting more stuff in and still are able to hit the highest resolution and frame rate. But we should not be judging games solely based on the 1080p/60fps mark. We should be comparing what is included in the game.

[wishingW3L]

because fanboys and other misinformed people.

[joefrost00]

Actually I would say 1080p at 60fps
Think 1080p at 30 is easy aka driveclub
Kinda like the guy from crytek said you can rinder everything in1080p but you would have to make sacrifices somewhere else
Like KZ has less than half of the player poly count than ryse but its sp is 1080p at 30fps
But sony devs are great at programming towards to systems strengths and avoiding its weaknesses like you should do
Thats why 90percent of the ps3 exclusives where very linear if anyone ever notice

[Chevalier]

If it is so easy to do 1080 p 30 fps then how come Xbox One is having trouble doing both?

[MiHX2]

Kids montage!"Blah blah blah!,700p here,100p that,XBOTS,SonyPonys,DA POWA,DA BANDWIDTH,HOW BIG,XBONE,INDIESTATION,Rasicm.
Isn't fanboyism great?

[MultiConsoleGamer]

This is all about clicks, page views and money. Web site owners profit greatly from fanboy behavior. Gotta stoke those fires as much as possible.

[MiHX2]

No way of doing that,The storm will become even stronger at launch!

[WheatBread]

I don't care if it's 900p, 720p, infitityp, etc as long as the graphics look great.

[Convas]

This.

[4logpc]

Best comment i have seen in months on this site.

[GodGinrai]

well...we will just have to wait till the pixel counters at digital foundry get hold of the games and give it the old lens of truth. It is what it is. If thats the case. at the end of the day I got my PC for high end graphics. Ill be just happy to play BF4, titanfall, destiny, forza 5 and halo 5 stc. with freinds. The games will look OBVIOUSLY better than this gen, even if they dont look as good as PS4 exclusives. so does it really matter? No. My rig pisses on BOTH consoles and neither has launched yet..but I am not dissapointed in either.

But I do believe MS made some poor choices for a machine that they intend to support for more than 6 years as their primary game platform. But to be honest I dont want another 8 year plus cycle. We all thought the longer wait would have made for more spectacular hardware...but we end up with two hack job AMD jaguar APUs. I was disspointed when they announced both consoles had them. But Im over it! just bring on the consoles and the games! lol

[H0RSE]

It isn't resolution that makes games or systems "next-gen." If that held true, PC's have been "next-gen" for years now, making the yet to be released consoles way late to the party.

I know the Sony fans are having a good laugh while pointing out that anything below 1080p is "unacceptable," but we all know if tables were turned, they would revert back to the "it's all about the games," comments and push how wonderful Sony first party devs are.

What makes a system next gen, is what it offers besides graphical improvements. Think of it like a game franchise - improved graphics/visuals are expected in new releases and deemed mandatory, but what really makes the games are the new features it offers from the previous version. This applies to the consoles. Better performance and graphics are a given, but what else can they do? This is where I see the truly next-gen aspect comes in.

Both consoles have vastly improved performance/graphics over the current systems, as well as added features. Where some may say the X1 is not "next-gen worthy" for their poor resolutions, others may see the PS4 as merely a PS3 v2.0. Where the PS4 excels in hardware capabilities, the X1 excels in innovation and features. Both systems are going to produce great visuals, and neither system is going to produce visuals better than the other to the point of substantial difference - it all just boil down to a nit-picky dick waiving contest, just like it did this gen.

We can all agree the first Wii was not a graphics beast, not even having HD support, but in terms of innovation, they were the most "next-gen" of all the current systems. They also outsold both Sony and MS.

[Moldiver]

"We can all agree the first Wii was not a graphics beast, not even having HD support, but in terms of innovation, they were the most "next-gen" of all the current systems. They also outsold both Sony and MS."

The PS3 was more innovative. look at the games.

[H0RSE]

That wouldn't make the PS3 more innovative, that would relate to the games. I'm talking about what the features the hardware will offer - features that can either enhance the gaming experience, or not require games at all.

Even when speaking about games, the Wii was still more innovative, if not through the controls alone.

[Moldiver]

"the Wii was still more innovative, if not through the controls alone."

Nah. PS3 had more innovative games. You just havent played games like TLoU, unchartered, flower, the journey, god of war, the list goes on.

[H0RSE]

Again, you are speaking about the games, not the system. Those titles didn't make the PS3 itself more innovative. it's the developers who take credit here, not the system their games play on.

Uncharted isn't really innovative - Third person action/adventure shooters have been around for years.

God of War isn't really innovative - hack-n-slash adventure games have been around for years.

These games took inspiration from older concepts, and built on them. The games may be really fun and/or really well-made, but "innovation" isn't a world that comes to mind.

[Shakes]

I wish they would all speak proper English and use full sentences so we could understand what the heck they are both trying to say. “I actually am aware of that and know a few of them." What the heck does that mean?

[cityboy100]

I wouldn't believe anything by someone named custard trout. BS on this one and still getting both systems on day one and have extra on hand to sell.

[Skeith]

I still remember when Insomniac got Xboned because of Kinect.

It seems Xbot got Xboned again.

Xbone make so many people got Xboned.

[4logpc]

MisterX and CBOAT should write a book together. They are both out of their minds and make up FUD everywhere they go.

[PAYNEinc85]

If they would have ditched the mandatory kinect and took that extra $100 theyre charging for it and put it into a better CPU and GPU we could see every game run at 1080p and 60 fps.

[MCTJim]

I have been looking over previous posts by CBoat..not been real accurate since E3..with that said..this new post is not like his other posts...its like someone else posted under his account...feel free to take a look at his previous posts over at neogaf. It may just be me, but that is what I see..its like you can tell it wasnt him...wierd?

[Funantic1]

This article is bs. The X1 is nowhere close to being maxed out. Plus the 360 is already doing 1080p. Forza 5 is 1080p 60 fps. Think people. Even the "insiders" are biased fanboys spreading misinformation.

[zpoc]

i have no plans to get an xbone, but i honestly don't care about resolution that much. sitting six feet from a tv, it's going to be very hard to pick up the differences between 1080p and 900p. it's similar to how i'm bewildered by people buying 4k tvs smaller than 60". at more than a couple feet away (like a monitor would be) you physically can't perceive the difference.

and anyway - in all likelihood, as the new gen progresses, more and more games are going to abandon a 1080p target in order to keep up with advancing PC graphics.

[alexkoepp]

The PS4 is super simple to develop for as we have all heard. It's running perfect now and using all available power so you aren't gonna see improvement over the consoles lifetime.

XB1 isn't as easy to develop for but once developers have it all figured out it'll be providing true next-gen gaming experiences with a little patience.

[MCTJim]

Though I agree the PS4 seems straight forward to program for, I cant see the X1 being difficult. The setup is the evolution of the 360 according to DF and Polygon...there may be a higher learning curve, but I dont think its any more difficult to program for than a 360..and devs loved the 360....just my 2 cents..since I am saving the rest for the launch consoles :)

[TechMech2]

I like how ps freaks want Xbox one to have problems. Get a life you idiots!

[BOLO]

M$FT has been giving it problems all on their own since the Xbone reveal without PS fans help.

[TechMech2]

Ps fans want a system that their not buying to be poorly performing, what's wrong with them? That's sick to want somebody's console to fail.

[deadie]

...and still you like it somehow.

[Tzuno]

Well there is a reason to fear and hate the power of a PC and that's why fanboys praise their console of choice. Look at the bright side in all this war, next gen consoles are more better than current gen consoles so why whining? because it can't surpass a PC powah?!!! go buy a PC then.

[i3eyond the Circle]

Heh...

External 250w PSU and the largest fan/ventilation over the supposed "weaker" hardware causing heat issues...due to the smallest of overclocks? Please...be realistic.

This news gets eaten up...but somehow PS4 games being run on PCs, crashing constantly at recent events never makes surface....b b but it was dev kits? Running on W7...literally watching KZSF getting the blue screen of death.

Sony anti-smear squad is in full effect getting all the user made youtube videos showing the cons of their console taken off the internet.

Fun fact is...Forza 5 a 1080p 60fps game was played for hours non-stop at Area One on actual X1 hardware.

[fsydow1]

Forza 5 dont look much better than GT6, supposed next gen ,sheeesh. No rain, no trees blowing in the wind (physics almost non existent),and you call that next gen.

[TomahawkX]

That's reminds me, the weather tech in Assassin's Creed 4 would look sick in a racing game.

[fsydow1]

900P resolution on the Xbone is pathetic, and Microsoft calls it next gen, GTFO of the gaming industry please!!! Also take that kinect (terminator,spying) crap with you and stop bribing the f$#$#$g journalist to applaud your under powered and overpriced hardware.

[Chris12]

You seem in distress, would you like some more reassurance about your Playstation purchase? Honestly, you made a good choice, well done.

[corroios]

Please stop with the Forza 5 being 1080p, its a car game... even on the Ps3 and Xbox 360 they could get closed to that resolution...

I just wish that they put a better CPU and GPU, i cant believe that they are already cutting stuff. I Would wait for the xbox one if it would come out on 2014.

They already have a legion of gamers that gonna buy the console, so why not wait a little more and bring something a lot stronger and wipeout the competition... And please dont talk about the cloud.

[Ac7iVe]

How can it not run 1080p, Wii U can y can't Xbone? Mario kart has already been confirmed 1080p 60frames.

[kewlkat007]

Lol, now I see why PC-Only gamers laugh at these threads..

[NobleRed]

What a joke this garbage console is. 900P lol.

True Next Gen only on PS4 suckers.

[TomahawkX]

Kaz approves this message.

[baodeus]

So how many of u on here support Ps vita tv? Any take? Gravelord or mikeslemonade?

[Clarence]

Again Sony caused M$ to rush the console to the market. People don't be surprise if that warehouse in France we rack up RROD xbones.

[PurpHerbison]

I am just scared that we are going to get 1080p games that run at "30FPS" but really dip as low as 15. Something we are accustom to with current gen.

[cabbitwithscissors]

I'm guessing reliability is going to be an issue, or maybe there are going to be cases where the box heats up and it automatically shuts down or downclocks itself and cause low framerates and such.

[PurpHerbison]

I feel like the closer we get, the more the hype dies and we can really see how it is going to be. Not that it will be bad but it definitely won't live up to the mass amount of hype. I'm still looking forward to nextgen and I will get a PS4 as soon as they announce a game I really want.

[alexkoepp]

I'm scared the PS4 is gonna go belly up in the US again like the PS3 did this generation and lead to less competition in the market

[SCW1982]

So your first statement you said because the PS4 is easier to develop for that we have seen all that it offers already. First off I can't tell you how wrong you are. Neither side deals all it's cards at the beginning of a launch, what a stupid uneducated remark to make. Second what you just said here proves you really don't have a single clue about anything. I hope that's not you in that picture because if that's the case you are an adult with the reasoning capabilities of a 5 year old. What a joke!

[alexkoepp]

Cry MOAR cause PS4 tapped out on Killzone, you may not have anything to look forward to but buyers of next-gen consoles do, so don't hate.

[PurpHerbison]

PS4 did not tap out on Killzone. I am willing to bet it didn't even get close. Cause you know damn well you will be commenting on next years article that claims said game is using 100% of the console, and the article the year after that, and the year after that.

[lunatic0001]

so fucking what if its running on 900p or 1080p...ive been playing games at 720p for like the past 7 years so no big fucken deal here....just give me games that are worth buying on ps4 or xbox and ill be alright

[Mister_G]

Only 900p?

[MyFeetHurt]

ikr

once again console hardware starts out years behind the curve.

OH BUT WE HAS MARIO DEM EXCLUSIVES

[solidworm]

Surely we cant have a repeat of the RROD...WOW MEGATON if that happens.

[Ch1d0r1]

I agree. I was there day one to buy my 360 loved it till the RROD started happening.

[bligmerk]

Well, we know with Ryse being 900p, that MS did the same thing the XBone as last time around with the 360, put a scaler chip on the output to upscale to 1080p. 1080p problem solved. Unfortunately, this is very similar to taking a low res image at a smaller size and resizing it to a larger size. Resizing the resolution doesn't completely overcome the lower resolution of the original, that is, details are lost. Of course, upscaling with hardware doesn't help if there are serious computational power limitations affecting how fast frames can be output.

[MyFeetHurt]

welcome to planet "i dont know what the hell im talking about"

We elect you as our new leader.

[bligmerk]

For the mentally challenged such as yourself, the 360 used a hardware scaler for its 1080p, the XBone is using a hardware scaler for 1080p. The problem is that it isn't true 1080p, just upscaled and a graphics limitation overall. If XBone needs to do this at launch, then it is basically already obsolete.

[LKHGFDSA]

we know what upscaling is.

[My_Name_BTW_Is_Dante]

If it is 900p then it's likely at a stable 60fps rather than being 1080p and either being 30fps or under 60fps.

[assdan]

Look at it's hardware vs the ps4. Of course the PS4 was bound to run at a higher res than xbox one.

[Jazz4108]

Why would gamers hope this rumor to be true? Is this how you want your games next gen? Or is it just n4g showing its true colors again and hoping that its true for there hate of ms. Keep in mind by hoping this is true it means you dont care about 3rd party ps4 games as you know devs will release parity resolution. Good luck with this n4g.

[MyFeetHurt]

tbh im surprised console gamers can afford anything over a 15" tube tv

you know... i only been 1080p gaming since 2006 :/

oh dem exclusives? yeah i dont care about sonic the hedgehog thanx...

[MultiConsoleGamer]

To the PR agents who created this story:

The NeoGAF topic on this lie has over 2,250 replies and over a 250,000 page views.

The N4G article has over 230 replies.

You are sh***ing up the internet just to sell your product. You are polluting the gaming industry with hatred that does nothing but create strife and division. It is for this reason that you will lose next gen. You have never gotten past your "Chad Warden" style marketing, you have never grown as a company. These are the actions of a desperate, creatively bankrupt company. What you are doing is morally wrong and karma will repay you for all your efforts.

[Redempteur]

thank god you only have 5 bubble to spread your misinformation MCG, you can shill for microsft in another subject then

[russo121]

To Xbonos and major bone -> Deal with it!

[T2]

Ohhh your tears! They are so salty!
Cboat works for ms and leaks info wtf does this have to do with Sony ? You cant even get facts straight

[Jazz4108]

Good question. Then answer why sony fans are all over this article if it has nothing to do with sony? Do you think ms fans are going to vote hopefully for this rumor?

[kingPoS]

Whether true or not you can't deny that CBOAT has riled up the ardent fans.

Lets keep at it folks! Soon enough it'll be six ring circus when November arrives.

[LKHGFDSA]

That doesn't mean the real retail units will do 1080p.
I hate the way M$ dance around concerns vaguely.

[DOOMZ]

Total BS,not even the final unit, LOL... Just you watch! Anything to bash an American company... SMH...

[Red_Devilz]

CBOAT has been correct on more things about XB1 than Major Nelson

[Cuders]

im happy for both consoles to be honest i will buy both. i like ps4 just as much as x1.

[urwifeminder]

Does not bother me got a pc so I can have ultra bells and whistles for multi plats and still enjoy my MS exclusives.

[AbortMission]

PL0X STAHP ATTACKIN XB0X 0NE Y0U PEE PEE 4 FANGIRLS ARE JUST HATING!! IM TIRED OF HEARING ALL THIS GOOD PEE PEE 4 NEWS/BAD XBAUX NEWS! CANT YOU SEE I HAVE INVESTED EMOTIONAL SECURITY INTO MY PLASTIC BOX??

Lol

[SynestheticRoar]

Another unacceptable dreadful X1 story. They continue coming. It's beyond absurd now.

[Mr_Luke]

Well, if the games are great and with great graphic, i don't see the problem. Ok, this gen everything has to be 1080 and bla bla bla, but... Ryse graphic, for example is great (i don't like the game, but it's something personal). The real problem would be if on multiplatform one of the console is 1080 and the other one 900. I know for someone is nothing, but i wouldn't like that, over all if my console costs $100 more and delivers less. Since i got a PS4 this thing doesn't really touch me, hoping it's not going to happen there too.

[GordyNYC]

These new consoles create higher fidelity images using better anti-aliasing/higher polys/hires textures than the current gen. So the difference between 900p and 1080p won't be as noticeable as last gen. Most people cant tell the difference between a 720p versus a 1080p tv broadcast and I feel that this will be the case with these slightly lower resolutions in games

[Iltapalanyymi]

>900p
Fucking hell

>all these drones defending their bone with some copypaste lists

[OniXRuleZ]

Diablo 3 is not Ps 4 exclusiv Dude, U van play on Xbox 360, Ps3 or Pc... On Pc at 1080P...

[MasterCornholio]

Isn't it 1080P on the PS4 as well?

Nexus 7 2013

[dodo101]

Simply put.
The PS4 has the upper hand (technically) and Xboners just don't like that!