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Select game developers used the Steam Controller. Here's what they said

Here's what some select game developers had to say about the Steam controller after some hands on time with it.

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AceBlazer133862d ago

It seems unique at least.Not really loving any of the next gen controllers from anyone tbh.Maybe when I get my hands on one of them that'll change.

ZodTheRipper3861d ago

The new Dualshock received nothing but praise until now, I for one am pretty excited for it. I'm waiting with my opinion about the Steam controller though - this prototype probably is not the same thing that I'll have in my hands when buying it.

PSN-JeRzYzFyNeSt3861d ago (Edited 3861d ago )

i am sorry but this controller looks retarded.

my opinion screw you N4G users who will disagree with me

Nitrowolf23861d ago

can't say I am to fond of it either, but until I get my ahnds on it I will hold judgment. It certainly is the opposite of what we are use to (Curves inward rather than outward)

Pintheshadows3861d ago

I think this may be a case of fixing something that wasn't broken rather than innovation sadly.

DigitalAnalog3861d ago (Edited 3861d ago )

@pintheshadows

You consider the current controller "fixed"? Your standards are so unbelievably low no wonder many are migrating to PC due to the significantly superior controls on shooters and playable genre's like RTS or simulators.

Valve is doing something that can actually bridge such a gap but likewise met with near-sighted criticism.

BISHOP-BRASIL3861d ago

@DigitalAnalog

Oh please, cut the PC elitist crap, we don't give a flyingg f*ck if keyboard and mouse are more precise and apparently neither does many other Steam users... Why would Valve even consider a controller if not? Gamepads can be precise enough while a lot more confortable and with everything readily accessible.

Seriouslly, if this is am improvement (I don't know and will wait 'till at least touching one before judging) I'm all for it, but don't pretend gamepads are broken or that people gotta bend over and shut up to PC ideas just because gamepads are inferior... The fact Valve is reaching for this very accessory proves they aren't neither broken or inferior.

Pintheshadows3861d ago

That is absolute nonsense Digital and I think it speaks volumes that you decide to attack my standards rather than form an argument as to why the Steam controller is in anyway promising. As it stands it is going to turn alot of people off, and the fact is, KB and M for PC is always the way.

And if you think this will actually work with RTS's (one of my favourite genre's) then you have already brought into the hype. I have serious doubts it will work at all. It is like saying it will work fine with Microsoft Flight simulator. You actually think devs will build an RTS around this or any controller? They won't as they are meant for KB and M. Controllers for RTS are just too limited and the thought of playing one with a controller makes me feel sick.

starchild3861d ago

First of all, saying that keyboard and mouse is "always the way" is complete nonsense. I game 90% of the time on PC and some games are better with KB&M and some are better with a gamepad.

Neither control method is ideal however. Gamepads lack a certain precision that you get with kb & m, but kb & m lacks any kind of feedback. Also, while the mouse is very good for aiming and looking, the WASD keys are far from ideal for controlling movement. It's either go, or don't go. There is no precision or control over the degree or speed of motion.

KB & M, while great for many games, isn't really ideal for a living room setting. Sure, it can be done, but it is more cumbersome than it should be and it definitely does turn some people off from PC gaming, or turns current PC gamers off from the idea of using their PCs in their living room on their big screen TVs.

Something doesn't have to be actually "broken" to be something that can still be improved upon. Yes, current control methods "work", but so did gamepads going back to the NES or before. They worked and people thought they were happy with them, but those people still adopted, and even came to prefer, the new innovations in game input that came along.

DigitalRaptor3860d ago (Edited 3860d ago )

@ Pintheshadows

I'll tell you why I think it's both innovative and it solves a problem that would exist.

Valve had to specifically design this controller for the purposes of being able to play practically every game on Steam. Now since a large chunk of games are not even controller compatible, this would not have been possible with just putting analogue sticks there. It would have been a case of hoping for the best, and hoping that developers add stick support.

The way this works, is that is emulates and tricks PC motion using the trackpads. So ... recap.

1) It solves the problem of sticks not being able to support most games on their console-style Steam Machines, which is the whole purpose of them breaking into this market.

2) It's innovative because it solves a problem that would have existed across a whole platform of games, and will most likely be as precise as the KB&M setup because of it.

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I feel like i'm jumping on Valve's defense here without having experienced the controller myself, so just to clarify, this is what I think and not necessarily exactly how it may end up being. I'm basing it on what we know about it.

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N83861d ago

Obviously I haven't used it. But it does look stupid. I almost don't even wanna try it lol

bumnut3861d ago

It does look a bit silly, but I will reserve judgement until I have tried one.

KonsoruMasuta3861d ago

I admit.

It's not the prettiest controller and it looks kind of uncomfortable but I'll wait until I see more of it and/or get my hands on it to make serious judgment.

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Yo Mama3861d ago (Edited 3861d ago )

Anyone remember trying this? No thanks. I'll stick to my tried and true thumbsticks.

http://i10.photobucket.com/...

KonsoruMasuta3861d ago

Oh god! The memories! They're coming back to a haunt me!

DoctorJones3861d ago

That looks nearly as bad as your avatar. That's one ugly looking controller.

Yo Mama3861d ago (Edited 3861d ago )

I agree, my avatar is pretty messed up. I AM McLovin!

DoctorJones3861d ago

At least the guy in the avatar makes a load of money from starring in Kick Ass, so there is that I suppose.

KonsoruMasuta3861d ago

If you think it looks bad try playing with it.

It was a good idea but it was poorly executed. It was not precise at all and it was a pain to use.

HammadTheBeast3861d ago

McLovin was in kick-ass? Isn't he from SuperBad.

Wait.

NO WAY!

REDMIST/MFER IS MCLOVIN!?!?

DoctorJones3861d ago

Hammads mind is blown, my work here is done.

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Jeedai Infidel3861d ago

Or the NES Max, I thought my parents were punishing me for something when I got that for Christmas one year.

CapsLocke3861d ago

What a retarded comparison.

DigitalRaptor3860d ago (Edited 3860d ago )

You do realise they're not just doing touch for the sake of it, or because it's hip or trendy?

It's because it's the only way they could have ensured 99% of games in the Steam catalogue could be playable using a controller., and it actually ensures increased precision over sticks.

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Why Are Steam's Recommendations Dogpoop?

Blindfolding myself and clicking a Steam page at random would serve me better recommendations than Steam’s algorithm

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UltimateOwnage14d ago

Hmm, not sure I agree with that. The recommendations I get are usually pretty good, but then again I have pretty large library of games on Steam and hundreds of them in my wish list, along with lots of curators I follow for it to build recommendations off of. On occasion it will throw me a random FIFA game or something I've never bought or shown interest in, but mostly its decent IMO.

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jznrpg25d ago

Skul is a metroidvania ? It’s on PS+ soon I’ll check it out. If it’s good I’ll buy a copy physically if they have one

Nacho_Z25d ago

If Pseudoregalia is one of the best I'd hate to see what the worst look like.

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Dragon’s Dogma 2 releases to mixed user reviews, as microtransactions criticised

Players can pay to edit their character, resurrect the dead and other actions.

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AdonisIsBeast33d ago

Who cares as long as it’s optional

phoenixwing33d ago

paying to edit your character is kind of crap as far as microtransactions go

Xristo33d ago (Edited 33d ago )

I hate any/all MTX in a paid game (especially a full-price game)... but know that you can spend in-game currency (RC), which you get from killing mobs, to completely remake your character.

phoenixwing33d ago

@xRisto how much did it change the gameplay though? Changing your character would have probably not cost any rc if they weren't hellbent on getting money by making it inconvenient

koga8833d ago

You can literally edit your character using in-game gold, dropped from monsters or obtained from selling items, as soon as you reach the first main town. You can even use Rift Crystals obtained from other people using your pawn or dropped from monsters to change your entire character or Pawn. It's paying to avoid doing something that is literally in the game.

PRIMORDUS32d ago

They are lucky there using Denuvo or their game and all future DLC etc. would be for free. 🤣

phoenixwing32d ago

@koga you completely missed the point i was making but go ahead and act like i'm being the wrong one

lucian22932d ago

you can pay ingame currency though; why are ya so derp

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Crows9033d ago (Edited 33d ago )

Capcom cares quite a bit....hence why it was kept from reviewers and initial impressions.

As far as optional...yeah...ALL mtx are optional. That's not the problem. The miss the mark entirely.

Heck buying the game is "optional" too.

The fact that they were hiding this is scummy as hell. I was going to buy this day 1 or day 3. Now I'm reconsidering the purchase entirely because as the reviews point out...there are certain design decisions which have not changed but funnily enough seem to be remedied by these mtx...

In other words they may have left certain features in the game in order to monetize them. So the mtx affected the development of the game in a negative way.

garos8233d ago

I'm certainly not buying it anymore. It has affected at least one sale from me. I'll pick it up second hand

peppeaccardo33d ago

Very close to buy the game at a discounted price but not anymore.
Bad business practice and hence they do not get my support/money !

warriorcase32d ago

It wasn't kept fromreviewers s though. Twitter reviewers are saying there was mention of mtx's in the reviewers guide

-Foxtrot33d ago (Edited 33d ago )

STOP. USING. THAT. SHITTY. EXCUSE

God damn man

Look how DLC changed after Oblivions horse armour, within 10 years most developers took the absolute p***. What was said then aswell? “It’s only optional who cares?” Now look where we all are.

There’s no half measures with these things, when will people realise this.

jwillj2k433d ago (Edited 33d ago )

Oh it’s gonna get worse. Ng+ locked behind mtx, “cool downs” preventing you from playing for more than 3 hours at a time unless u pay the mtx for unlimited access, main campaign bosses, in-game music, certain dialog, difficulty modes, certain npc interactions, all locked behind mtx, etc.. etc. gonna end up being like the NBA 2k games eventually paying for cross overs and shit… They gon get mid-evil on our asses.

OMGitzThatGuy32d ago

I can guarantee most of the items you can buy with mtx and ingame currency wouldn’t exist in ANY paid form if the main goal wasn't monetization. If the goal is to give idiots who are willing to pay for basic game features as mtx a way to do things faster then the only ones the mtx hurt are the non paying players as you are now locking features behind a grind that you chose to put in the game that you are essentially admitting to creating some type of time sink. I have never heard of a game locking basic character editing behind a ingame paywall, it’s usually just an option.

Chard32d ago

Takes two to tango though - unfortunately people buy this garbage which incentivises the behaviour. It's an inevitable outcome of the profit motive

thorstein33d ago

@Mario

Yes. And so are resurrection "Wakestones." You can find them but they're rare.

victorMaje33d ago

Buying the game is now very optional too. If you don’t know why then you don’t get it.

shinoff218333d ago

Because it's only a door way. That's why we care. We've already seen some shit since Mtx was introduced.

Rimeskeem33d ago

1. DD2 is an ARPG with 8 different playable classes
2. There is no multiplayer aspect to the game
3. You can only have one character (have to pay for more)
4. You cannot delete the character unless you go into the game files
5. The game is $70 dollars upfront

Having to pay for more character slots in a game that *features* 8 playable classes is pretty much not optional for an ARPG.

Angyobangyo32d ago

Judging from steam reviews, gamers care. Not plastic gamers. Why didn’t Itsuno mention such MTX would be available in-game? Why weren’t the MTXs there for review copies?

Kiryu199232d ago

Who cares is how all this started. The many many excuses. Please keep defending these greedy publishers and unfair tactics. We be gamers are the problem

Horse armor

$10 online passes if buying a used copy

Cheat codes gone and are replaced by micro transactions

Unlocking stuff by playing games behind micro transactions and XP boosters

It’s only cosmetic

No one is being forced to spend even though publishers are literally making their games more grindy to force people to play

Full priced games have mobile game type micro transactions

$70 priced games because higher development costs while making record profits and laying off record number of employees

And to play the game early pay us extra $20-30 on top of full price

Release games now and promise to maybe fix them later only to abandon the game

Day one patches that make the games worst

If it’s your favorite game defend the publisher if it’s not hate on another publisher for similar content

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kenpachi33d ago

Must have picked up some EA crew to put this in the game

robtion33d ago

Yeah these are really bad ones. Directly impacting gameplay too. Super scummy move. I hope nobody buys them.

CrimsonWing6933d ago

Yet Helldivers 2 gets a pass? Y’know a GotY contender by the name of RE4 had them and so does Devil May Cry V. The funny thing is I enjoyed both of those games thoroughly without having to buy a single microtransaction.

What I do consider a valid complaint is not being able to start a new game or being able to edit your character. That’s kind of a seriously baffling decision, but then I think how I played Dragon’s Dogma 1 and I never edited my character and I just did a 100% playthrough on a single file and didn’t start a NG since. So, I don’t think these are really going to impact me, but I can see how it will others.

Crows9033d ago

Helldivers 2 is a live service game where everything is obtainable in game with incredible ease.

Not sure about re4 or DMC but nobody is giving anyone a pass ...this article is about dragons dogma 2...not those games.

What is valid are in game features made to supposedly force you to think carefully only to have a surprise online store offer solutions to built in problems for more money.

Goosejuice33d ago

Those same things they are selling can be found Ingame as well. U can buy the character editor through merchants with gold. Don't get me wrong..I dislike these mtx they are doing but you don't need to buy them to be able to get them.

CrimsonWing6933d ago (Edited 33d ago )

Oh my bad, I can’t bring up games with microtransactions that nobody had a sh*t fit over. My mistake.

I love how people move the goalpost.

Crows9033d ago

@goose
@crimson

All mtx sucks. I'd rather helldiver's not have them because it makes me wonder if the rate at which you collect materials. That said. The games features are all fully enjoyable and aren't affected by the mtx.

That's not the case with dragons dogma 2...they left in place features that are supposedly part of the challenge of the game only to let you buy your way out very conveniently. I didn't look through all of them but I've heard some are rare but can be purchased with more money now. Even more so in a game about managing weight load there's a tent, I believe, that you can pay more money for that weighs less than your typical tent...not all sure on all the mtx and I'm aware that you can purchase many through in game vendor but they're incredibly useful mtx that are obtained much more slowly in game...or even a limited amount of them.

Instead is selling fast travel...just let us don't for free....or instead of selling cosmetic changes...how about letting us do it for free...

Nothing in helldivers comes close to this abomination

Angyobangyo32d ago

One is a single player game and one is a live service game. One is $40 vs$70. And most importantly, one game is there to spread democracy.

Ironmike32d ago

It's not incredibly easy for certain things in helldivers though u still have grind quite bit but u ate correct in saying u can eventually get enough medals to purchase stuff

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Moegooner33d ago

Read your comment again and maybe, just maybe you might realise how dumb it was.

CrimsonWing6933d ago (Edited 33d ago )

What was dumb about it? That I pointed out the hypocrisy?

garos8233d ago

It was extremely scummy that capcom hid this from reviewers. I have no doubt this game is good but these type of microtransactions don't sit well with me. They've lost a sale from me

Lionsguard33d ago

I was going to pay full price to support this game because I've been waiting for it for forever but I think I'll wait until I get it for free from Epic or a Humblebundle monthly.

Redemption-6433d ago

I am not defending Capcom, as I am not a fan of MTX in single player games. I do however belive they were open to reviewers about having MTX in their game. The reviewers just decided to leave that part out. Which is very disingenuous. There are some companies that get away with these things. Image if this was done by EA, Ubisoft, or even Activision? I am positive those defending Capcom, would have had their pitchforks ready if the companies listed above did this

anast33d ago

That's why reviewers can't be trusted. In fact, they are not reviewers at all. They get free codes to talk about stuff they don't understand nor care about.

Sanctusone32d ago

I mean it was pretty obvious to anyone with eyes...one of the items you get from deluxe edition was in game items.
1500 Rift Crystals - Points to Spend Beyond the Rift (A)
Which honestly I figured they kept a similar mtx system like DMC5 and the optional red orbs.

Lionsguard32d ago

1500 Rift Crystals doesn't mean anything. The first game had Rift crystals too, you just earned them by people hiring your Pawn and you get it from certain quests.

anast32d ago (Edited 32d ago )

A reviewer's job is to point out the obvious of a product as though they were the consumer. This means reviewers, to do their actual job, would need to review the complete game: the edition they are reviewing, how they got the game, technical aspects, story, and monetization scheme. Since, it is obvious that MT's are a part of the game, it would need to be reviewed. This way people can be informed, so they can decide if they want to play this style of game/monetization scheme.

For example, AC Origins was bad with Mt's. I had to farm side missions or pay to advance the story. This was after I already did close to 25 or more side missions. While I was grinding there were constant reminders that I could pay to ease the grind. I would have never bought the game if it were reviewed properly.

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