Nvidia boss: “No longer possible” for consoles to have better graphics than PC

Tamasi: It’s no longer possible for a console to be a better or more capable graphics platform than the PC. I’ll tell you why. In the past, certainly with the first PlayStation and PS2, in that era there weren’t really good graphics on the PC. Around the time of the PS2 is when 3D really started coming to the PC, but before that time 3D was the domain of Silicon Graphics and other 3D workstations. Sony, Sega or Nintendo could invest in bringing 3D graphics to a consumer platform. In fact, the PS2 was faster than a PC.

[Irishguy95]

News to me, I always thought PC >>> Console graphics wise. Half life 1 and 2 etc

[OlgerO]

Just leave it to Naughty Dog to show you that games on PS4 can look prettier then any PC game

[Hufandpuf]

And then I'll just show them Crysis 3 running at max settings.

[vishmarx]

you guys cant even play tlou or gta v .
the two best games of the year.
does crysis on max still feel better than actually playing these games.
pc games will always look better.
consoles will always get better games.

[_QQ_]

@vishmarx i didn't realize consoles had DOTA2 and Starcraft HOTS, i guess console games aren't better afterall.

[Bolts]

GTA 4 on the PC looks better than Watchdog on the PS4. And you don't have to wait for anyone to see that.

Oh and GTA 4 release date? 2008 and you can play this on the TV with Steam Big Picture mode.

[starchild]

Ridiculous. Uncharted and The Last of Us are really fantastic games and they look very good by console standards, but there are MANY games on PC that look better.

And that is despite the fact that the PS3 was more powerful relative to high end gaming PCs than the PS4 is going to be when it launches. No, the truth is, console games, even the very best of them, will still be well behind the visuals that you get on a good PC.

@ vishmarx
I love the way some of you console fanboys try to use something as subjective as taste in games as an attemept to downplay the PC as a gaming platform. There are TONS of exclusives on the PC that I wouldn't have wanted to miss out on.

You guys live in your own little bubble and aren't even aware of the world outside that tiny sphere. I own both a PS3 and a 360 in addition to my PC and honestly there are like maybe a half dozen games that I really love on each of those consoles that I can't get on the PC. There are more exclusives on the PC that I love than on either console.

But beyond all the talk of exclusives, my favorite platform is always going to be the one that offers the best experience with the vast MAJORITY of games, not the platform that has a couple more exclusives than another platform. With the best graphics, smoothest performance and the wonderful world of mods, the PC is hands down that platform.

[MadLad]

The game, you know, needs to exist first.
Then you can talk.

[shoddy]

Damn computer nerds

[showtimefolks]

vishmarx

preety graphics boring/dull gameplay enjoy crysis

lopez_josue

so many FTP MMO's are coming to consoles next gem, while most of consoles exclusives are staying exclusive. don't get me wrong i understand how big PC market is and how much money it makes but like console players miss out on some excellent pc games so do the pc gamers

difference being most console owners say yes those pc games are great, while any game that doesn't end up on PC automatically gets labelled

"WILL BE BETTER ON pc MAX SETTINGS"

how many people can actually run most games in max settings?

[Amazingmrbrock]

The real difference between console exclusive games and any games on the pc is funding.

There are no pc manufactures spending the lavish amounts of money on pc exclusive content in the same way console makers do. The closes would be valve, and blizard, as far as spending money to push the pc market in a way thats similar to how the console market gets pushed. Even then valve doesn't put out a whole lot of games compared to sony or even microsoft.

So yeah thats why there are such top notch AAA console games and less of those for the pc. Granted there are still some for pc just less. Where the pc makes up for this difference is in the almost overwhelming amount of indie games. Not just medium sized indie games like ftl, or chivalry, but the thousands of small games that come out of game competitions. There's no comparison to those on consoles and in my view its something consoles are sorely missing out on.

[wtopez]

@ OlgerO

By the time Naughty Dog launch a game on PS4, Titan level GPUs will probably be mid-range $200 video cards. ND has incredible talent but they're still dealing with severely limited hardware that's already old in many PC gamer's homes.

[nukeitall]

@OlgerO:

Stop being delusional!

I love Naughty Dog, but you simply cannot outpower a PC even with careful optimization.

Just look at the games, they are all shown on PC then downgraded to console to maybe hit 1080p across the board on console.

On PC we can easily talk about 2k graphics, and best specced rigs can hit 4k with little problem.

Before even release of either console, we got 6 gflops graphics card. That is almost 4 times as much flops as PS4. Even if the PS4 was running on secret sauce and puffing the cloud, it could not outgunn a PC.

Heck a console is simply a PC downgraded with added features (NOTE, ADDED FEATURES). It is not a supercharged PC, nor is it play beyond PC.

Anyone that says otherwise is selling you snake oil!

I love consoles, but we don't buy them for graphics. We buy them for the games, the ease of use and the ease of access to.

My PC can easily play Netflix and I can navigate it even faster, but my console is easier to use on my couch.

[NewMonday]

the very top PC sure are stronger than next gen in numbers, but the issue is price vs power, how about that BF4 demo on a $2000+ PC, can anyone show us a difference vs the PS4 demo worth over $1600? anyone that brings up the PC without specifying the GPU is being dishonest.

and how many games actually take advantage of the PC power? very few because developers scale down to the most common specs, the one game that is mentioned (Crysis3) is an average game, CryTech push the high end specs to show off their engine.

every developer that brings up the PS4 vs PC say the console is like a high end PC, only those in denial argue otherwise.

I wonder how many of the so called "PC master race" actually have a high end rig.

Nvidia are continuing the trash talk because AMD swept the console deals, and they feel the turning of the tide business wise, they talk like this to stir the fanboys into confrontations.

[MRMagoo123]

when every pc gamer in the entire world including myself all have the complete max hardware everytime new hardware gets released then we can care about PC having the superior graphics but at most its around 10% that can play everything at its max.

[Smashbro29]

At 30fps in 720p.

[Blackdeath_663]

@Hufandpuf
crysis beyond being a pretty game isn't very good. linear shooter and lameass story

[Krosis]

"Just leave it to Naughty Dog to show you that games on PS4 can look prettier then any PC game "

Wow...only on N4G would you read that AND get agrees lol It looks good--for a CONSOLE game lol Christ these kids are deluded.

[MuhammadJA]

@vishmarx

And that's always your argument, console fanboys. Everytime someone say a PC game looks better than a console game (which is true all the time), you get defensive and say "we have better games". Games are and always will be SUBJECTIVE, graphics capabilities: PC > Consoles.

[PeaSFor]

@Hufandpuf

it take more than high resolution and hi res textures to look great, meanwhile OKAMI on ps2 still look better than crysis3 on max setting.

[ChrisW]

Considering the dollar to CPU/GPU ratio*, A $399 console is going to out perform a PC of the same price for quite some time.

* GPUs like nVidia's Titan ($1,000 for GPU only) vs PS4 (which has both CPU & GPU), the amount of power per a dollar is darn near equal.

[Skips]

"“No longer possible” for consoles to have better graphics than PC"

It doesn't matter much when the VAST majority of PC gamers don't even have PC's as powerful as PS4 and XB1. lol

http://www.cinemablend.com/...

And that probably won't change for a good few years... The majority of PC gamers aren't all gonna upgrade at the same time just because the PS4 and XB1 come out. XD

And "well said" @ showtimefolks...

[Fluke_Skywalker]

Graphics shmaphics, Crysis 3 (at max settings) is by far the prettiest game of the last well, ever really, but it's absolutely shit!!

[HardcoreGamer]

SORRY FOR DOUBLE POST

[HardcoreGamer]

im digging the new ps3, but its not the same with ps4, the ps4 is off the shelf pc parts. its not gonna work like the same ps3 in terms of lastability

ps2 took 5 years to maximise
ps3 still not maxed out, but mad there, in 7 years

ps4 will be topping itself in 3 years.

this is the truth. its not like the days of ps2 and ps3, because sony only has to compete and not give away market share to xbox, otherwise ps4 wouldnt of be releasing this year.

its hard now and sony cannot afford the old route. (ps3 was a little too hard to develop for and were too ambitious. but thats what sony is)

thats why your getting alot of dissagrees

[PrinceOfAnger]

Just like crysis 3 did? even on console.

[Army_of_Darkness]

I have no problem with 1080p console games on my.... well, 1080p hdtv ;-)
I don't care if my ps4 can't do 2k gaming because for one thing, I don't have/ and can't afford a damn 55" 4k tv anyways!

If pc fannies ain't impressed by killzone:sf yet, then I know they will be when naughty dog shows what they have in store for us.
I'm sure that's when the pc fannies will cry back to crysis max settings once again LMAO! the one series that makes them sleep better at night for purchasing that expensive precious video card.

[MWong]

I just don't get why Nvidia seems so fixated on consoles now. I mean of late all you hear is them saying console this console that. I mean consoles (PS3, PS4, Wii, Wii-U, XB360 & XBone) range low end gaming to mid-high end pc's with non-interchangeable parts. PC's aren't and are fully customizable as long as you have the money and need for a game. I don't why there is always a debate of which is better. PC and game consoles are both great in their own rights. It will always depend on the gamer and the price they are willing to pay.

To me Nvidia just seems mad that AMD is doing something they aren't.

[schubacca]

I got love for Naughty Dog, but please stop with this notion that PC graphics are inferior to equal to console graphics.

[1Victor]

Well At Least Console Gamers Don't Have To Buy A $300 GraphicsCard To Play The "Latest Game" Every Year And A New CPU Every Other Year .Don't Even Bother To Say But But That Is If You Want To Play The Game On Max Settings

[hollabox]

Yeah Naughty Dog can work their magic, the same goes to SCE Santa Monica Studio in the GOW series. Crysis 3 maxed looks good, the PS3 looks ok but I doubt you could run Crysis 3 on 7 year hardware and perform as good as the PS3 or X360 version. Heck my ATI 3870 couldn't even play Crysis War Head at decent frame rates back in 2008.

[kurac]

@Krosis

I'm sure he meant ARTISTICALLY better. Of course PCs will always be technically better but it doesn't matter since the best artists and game-designer superstars make games mostly for consoles

[saber00005]

@OlgerO I would love to see the PS4, or any console, try to handle Arma3 on max settings, with maximum view distance.. Oh wait.. It's exclusive for PC.

The PS4 WILL be nice, but never will game consoles be more dominate that the PC. And this is coming from a guy who pre-ordered the PS4 as soon as it became available after E3.

[RVanner_]

The Last of Us, uncharted series, GTA V are gorgeous for PS3 standards but compared to the vast majority of PC games over the last 2-3 years they look like a game running on low settings and low resolution. PC games have been looking next gen for the last few years. A future release by naughty Dog on PS4 will look amazing no doubt and I will buy it as I play both platforms but still if there was a PC version it would look as good and for those with High end machines they're would be options to exceed the graphical fidelity on the PS4 and Xbox One.

[Pintheshadows]

Has no one here played Metro Last Light. Max that out and it is waaaay prettier than Crysis 3, and not only that, it is actually an amzing game. One of the best this year.

[The_Con-Sept]

I finally sold my pc and my accessories. PC gaming is dead to me.

So ..!., Nvidia and their pro pc gaming elitist torrenting fanbase. Continue to get games last.

[LonDonE]

Only a retard would dispute that a pc priced at £1000 can out perform a console at £350, why nvidia feel the need to point out the obvious just shows how butt hurt they are over Sony,and MS going to amd their rivals!! LOLOL i own and game on all platforms, i love consoles, and i love my gaming pc, but pc guys need to remember that most pc gamers do not own rigs which can play at max settings, this is fact,sorry but its true, i see so many pc fan boys banging on about how great the games look and run on pc on max, when statistically most of these so called pc elitists are not running said games at max!

Consoles are great for what they offer,cheap price of entry, with relatively great performance and bang for buck, you would be hard pressed to build a pc with ps4 level performance, and extra's, if you couple in cost of EVERYTHING in the ps4 no way can you build a pc for the same cost, its not happening!

And i am not talking about just the gpu,cpu etc, i am talking about EVERYTHING in the box,the blue ray drive, the Ethernet port,the wifi adapter,the gpgpu,cpu, operating system, etc, EVERYTHING!!! with the same power consumption rate!

I love my pc for playing games like skyrim with mods etc, and i love my consoles for the console exclusives, like nintendo first party games,and Sony exclusives!

If anything this gen, its the xbox 1 i see no point in buying, i will have my pc and ps4 for all multi plat's, and my wiiu for the nintendo first party, and so i wont get a x1 till later in its life!!!

PC fan boys need to grow up and remember this is not a dick measuring contest, and console fan boys need to realise that consoles can never be more powerful then pc,but when you take into account all factors, it balances out!!
you cannot get a pc for £350 which gives you the same level of performance as a ps4 with everything that is in the ps4 unit!!
And even if you could, you wont have the Playstation or nintendo exclusives so what's the point? ITS ALL ABOUT THE GAMES PEOPLE!!
not graphics, the GAMES AND GAME PLAY!

[FamilyGuy]

*clears voice*

PS3
http://ps3hits.ru/wp-conten...

http://24.media.tumblr.com/...

http://i.neoseeker.com/scre...

http://rubix78.files.wordpr...

PS4
http://farm4.staticflickr.c...

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http://images.gamersyde.com...

http://fc00.deviantart.net/...

http://i.minus.com/ibrh9EeD...

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I don't get what all the talking is about, PS4 is "mid ranged" yet I'm seeing lots of cases were the characters are looking better than what's been seen on PC, high-end or otherwise.

People bring up Crysis with its dead plastic eyes and freshly starched faces as if it's something to be proud of.

I'll take my PS Exclusives over PC games any day.

[duplissi]

That is an overstatement if I have ever seen one.

Sure Naughty Dog's skill is well known but they make do with the tools they have, and sure their games are some of the prettiest around (on any platform) there will always be pc games that will look better, sometimes staggeringly so.

[Syntax-Error]

OlgerO, Naughty Dog doesnt make graphical masterpieces...they make amazing games and stories. Quantic Dream does a better job graphically than Naughty Dog. I like those developers, but let's be honest here

[Chrischi1988]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha ^^

sorry, but that just made my day^^

This is impossible and everybody knows that, some deny it, but even they know it.

[Chrischi1988]

@vishmarx:

Total nonsense. Every so beloved game, that is even worth mentioning, except Zelda and Halo and maybe GOW, are on PCs and will be way better on PCs. GTA V will come to PC and there it will actually look good, not like a modded GTA4 because the Hardware cant deliver.

PC has a ton of exclusives and some of the best games ever, which are not even close to be playable on a console and everyone knows that. That is actually not a thing of opinion, it is pretty much fact and everyone who denies that, just doesnt own a PC capable enough and tries to defend his or hers investment in a console.

[Gabnet]

The thing is any game made for that super pc has the potential to look better. The sad thing is, most game devs don't take full advantage of that hardware like naughty dog does for Sony's hardware.

[PSX04]

that's super old news for me BTW PC has a great graphics but console have a great games .... I want the games

[tachy0n]

@OlgerO

lelelelel

consoles will now be able to do 1080p @60fps

while PC runs @ 2k and has been doing 1080p+ at 60fps+ since years ago......

be realistic and dont be a sheep.
sony sure is going to kick ass next gen but it just cant have better graphics than PC no matter what. PC got far more support from tech companies than all consoles combined (corsair,AMD, INTEL,MSI etc....

watch crysis 1 running at ultra settings thats next gen consoles right now.

but hurr durrr crysis gameplay and story is boring hurr i liked a lot, i have passed the game multiple times.

and TBH i find uncharted boring as hell. IMO...

saying that BS about a game is pretty much invalid since everyone got different opinion

[Murad]

I don't want to offend you, but I depise your comment. You got a huge flame going underneath you because you had to say something about consoles, and then someone else had to say something about PC. Why can't you guys learn to enjoy both?

[SonyPS360]

"Well said".

Right, right...

You can already get a PC that can out perform the Ps4, and it hasn't even been released yet.

If Naughty Dog made PC games, then we'd see what they can really do.

[KazHiraiFTW]

@ FamilyGuy

That's cute you took all that time to link those pics but the reality is none of those PS3 or PS4 games look as good as the best looking games that PC has to offer. Even multi-plat games like Tomb Raider on PC absolutely smash anything you linked. Compare the Tomb Raider PC benchmark to Beyond 2 Souls and you shall be enlightened.

And I love how Naughty Dog is the go to argument for Sony fanboys. It literally is the only reason I use my PS3. The games are great yes, and they look good for console games yes, but compared to PC the graphics are uglier than Kirstie Alley's cellulite riddled ass. There is nothing wrong with that, for some reason fanboys keep trying to defend against there console being like 1/20th the power of a high end PC when nobody in there right mind would ever expect it to compete. Stop with this nonsense

[ProjectVulcan]

PC will always have better graphics. Its a fact. Pointless arguing over it. End of that discussion.

Its also a fact that these new consoles are behind the technology curve before they even hit the shelves unlike generations that preceded them.

Does this really matter? Probably not much.

Should you talk a bunch of crap that only consoles have good games worth playing? Should you make up a load of balls about how much PC gaming costs because you have no clue about it?

Please don't.

Just get over it, these platforms have their strengths and weaknesses and people who love games would embrace whatever platform they can afford.

Typically PC gamers also game on consoles, which in my opinion makes most of the PC gamers more knowledgeable.

Why do console only gamers think PC gamers only play on PC?

Surely you are more likely to have a PC and a console if you can afford a good gaming PC. Its a mystery to me, some of the nonsense people talk on here. Straw man arguments all over the shop.

[gaffyh]

TECHNICALLY PC games will always look better than console games graphically, because you're paying a ridiculous amount more for it.

ARTISTICALLY/STYLISTICALLY - That's debateable. Uncharted/TLOU and even simple games like Journey look fantastic, and better than almost any PC game I can think of. Yes Crysis 3 looks good blah blah blah, but graphics isn't all about the amount of polygons.

[Lisica]

CRYTEK

[zippycup]

lol love how they always use crysis series as the best looking pc game although after playing it i can see why its all pretty graphics and crappy story and gameplay

[GentlemenRUs]

GTA:V and TLOU look WAY better then no-gameplay-crysis 3

[Seafort]

@vishmarx I'm a predominantly PC gamer and I can play GTA5 and The last of us. well I already have done and finished them.

It's good to be a gamer and not have fanboy tendencies hehe.

My PS3 is a nice compliment to my gaming PC :)

[blackmagic]

I remember at the beginning of the current generation of consoles when few people had 720p televisions let alone 1080p and tons of people were playing ps360 on tube televisions.

Fast forward to today, 4K televisions have been available for a while now. Seiki has a 39" 4K television for $700 and a 50" 4K television for $944 and TCL has a 50" 4k television for $1000. Those are competitive prices. Even Samsung's UHD display is $3500 for a 55" which is less than I paid for my first 50" 1080p Samsung and that was well after 1080p televisions were established.
http://www.amazon.com/Seiki...
http://www.amazon.com/Seiki...
http://www.amazon.com/TCL-L...
http://www.bestbuy.com/site...

Earlier this month HDMI 2.0 was announced at IFA with an industry wide 4K display standard and Singulus announced 100GB Blu-ray fabrication machines, both of which are a precursor for the upcoming BDA announcement of 4K Blu-ray. CEDIA starts today with tons of 4K announcements expected.
http://www.hdmi.org/manufac...
http://reviews.cnet.com/830...
http://www.techradar.com/ne...

PC gaming at 4K has already arrived. Running an NVidia Titan, 780/770 in SLI or AMD HD 7990, 7970 in Xfire will run just about any game at 4K. And some games will run 30 fps or better on an HD 7950 or 660 which can be easily found for under $200. Meanwhile, both AMD and NVidia are expected to bring a new generation of GPUs either late this year or early next year (ie same timeframe as consoles) which will make 4K gaming even more affordable and accessible.
http://www.tomshardware.com...
http://www.anandtech.com/sh...
http://siliconangle.com/blo...

Meanwhile, in console land, 1080p 60fps is the best you can hope for with many titles already falling to 30fps or worse sub 1080p resolutions.
http://images.anandtech.com...

[Bobby Kotex]

From the votes it just looks like there are way more console gamers here than PC gamers. The content of your posts are meaningless. I'm glad I game on both.

[Dee_91]

Games doesn't look better on my pc.
My laptop has better graphics card and more ram than both PS3 and 360, but I can't even run gta iv on here...
Oh wait. we are talking about modded PC's...

[PurpHerbison]

"Just leave it to Naughty Dog to show you that games on PS4 can look prettier then any PC game"

2/10

[UltimateMaster]

In related news:
http://techspy.com/news/136...

[vishmarx]

207/65(a/d)
for supposed console fanboy on a pc article.
thats a new world record folks.

[black0o]

400$ with great games, auto updates, streaming sharing, .....easy UI for malti media and much more features which are pain in the a%# doing it with a PC and always comes with cost and req extra devices .. and every 2 years I gotta update Something in the box, drivers, looking for patches ...etc

PC only got better looking/frame rate on the console which come with extra cost
with the same experience and some times it's better on consoles

Diblo3 says Hi

[AuToFiRE]

Im sorry, but you are incorrect. The playstation 4 can pump out 1.6 TFLOPS as a whole., while my 2 year old outdated graphics card pushes 6 TFLOPS on its own.

[PopRocks359]

That wouldn't change the PS4 specs you know. PC tech is constantly evolving with new upgrades releasing each year. The PS4 is deadlocked in its current state as of its launch. So at one point or another, PCs will have better specs and therefor the potential for better games.

However, Naughty Dog is an excellent dev. They'll make some damn great looking games; PC specs be damned.

[Hello_World]

lol silly console gamers have no clue. Some do, but this comment shows you certainly don't. The Last of Us and Uncharted don't even scratch the surface of how even console ports run on PC.

Higher resolution, way higher framerate, better effects and dynamic lighting/post-processing, way higher-rez textures.

Silly console peasants. ;)

[buckley]

Not sure if serious... o_0

[assdan]

Naughty Dog is an amazing dev, but the PCs are still stronger than PS4. I bet their game will look amazing, but no. Naughty dog games would look even better on PC.

[lesrima88]

"Just leave it to Naughty Dog to show you that games on PS4 can look prettier then any PC game "

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

that is all

[starchild]

I'm getting a PS4 and I definitely feel that consoles have their place, but some console gamers on here are really grasping at straws.

I keep seeing the same repeated excuses that people use to make themselves feel better about the PC having better graphics. It's funny, too, because a lot of these same people will turn around and talk up the graphics of the PS4 and try to rub it in the faces of Xbox or Nintendo gamers.

Here are the top rationalizations that I keep seeing.

1. "A PC might have better graphics, but it costs like $2000 to get something like that".

False. A $700 PC with something like an HD 7950 will likely generally beat the PS4 and XB1. And a year or two into the generation there is no doubt that you will be able to build a PC for that price that will eclipse the consoles by a wide margin.

2. "The graphics might be technically better on PC, but there is more to graphics than graphics technology...art is just as important".

This one really makes me laugh. Art direction is definitely important, but considering that the PC gets 90% the same games as the consoles it's silly to act like only console games have good art.

Personally, I think games like The Witcher 2 or Castlevania Lords of Shadow have better art than pretty much any console exclusive that I have played. Those games just happen to also have amazing graphics tech as well and they look amazing on the PC.

The point is, there is an equal amount of good art to be found in PC games as there is in console games. PCs just have much higher quality technical graphics as well.

3. "Crysis 3 is the best looking game on PC, but it sucks so it's worth nothing".

Console gamers have really started to latch on to this one. They think if they downplay the Crysis games it will somehow nullify the graphical advantage PC has over consoles.

Well, the fact is, Crysis 3 might be the best looking game on PC, but it is far from the only outstanding looking game on the platform.

Second of all, the Crysis games are good games. They have a higher average score than the Killzone games that are hyped so much. I don't think they are amazing games, but they are still enjoyable games that are well above average.

4. "PCs might have the most powerful hardware, but developers never really use that power".

This is a line of thinking that I see even some PC gamers fall into. Nevertheless, the power in our PCs IS being put to use. It seems some people don't understand how much extra hardware performance it takes to output at much higher resolutions and framerates, with higher quality textures, higher resolution shadows, vastly better texture filtering, high levels of anti-aliasing, and all the other graphical advantages we usually see on PC.

If every developer was pushing the most bleeding edge visuals on PC there would be no performance left over to run the games smoothly at 60fps+, with high quality anti-aliasing and texture filtering, with all quality settings maxed out.

Sure, more optimization would make things even better--and things like SteamOS, the Mantel API, and X86 in consoles will greatly help this--but the extra performance in PCs is still being put to good use even now.

[starchild]

Continuing on...

5. "Yeah, yeah PC is more powerful than next gen consoles, but so what?...a majority of PC gamers according to the Steam survey don't have PCs stronger than the PS4".

First of all, the Steam hardware survey is optional and doesn't represent anywhere close to all the people that use Steam. I have an HD 7950 and i5 2500k, but I have never done the Steam hardware survey. It isn't something that just automatically reads all the hardware of every Steam user.

Steam isn't the only way people game on PC anyway. There are lots of other digital distribution sites and other software for connecting gamers. I know a few PC gamers that don't even use Steam.

Furthermore, the PS4 user base is currently zero. I guarantee that even in the first year or two there are gong to be more people with high end PC rigs than there will be with with PS4s.

And the prices on PC parts will only go down. A graphics card more powerful than that in the PS4 will be available for around $100 by the end of 2014. By that time there will be even more PC gamers with rigs more powerful than the consoles.

A lot of PC gamers haven't upgraded simply because they haven't needed to. With more demanding next gen games coming soon you can be sure that many of those PC gamers with weaker rigs will be upgrading.

Lastly, I don't understand what this matters anyway. Most of the PC gamers that are into games enough to spend time on game sites are the kinds of PC gamers that are going to have good gaming PCs.

I have a decently high end gaming PC, so why again should I care how many people are out there with weaker PCs that only enjoy the occasional indie title or whatever? It doesn't matter to me at all.

It's such a silly argument. It would be like saying "who cares that your Lamborghini is far faster than my Camaro? There are more people that own Camaros than who own Lamborghinis...so na na na". The Lamborghini owner would be like "yeah, and?". It doesn't change the fact that the Lamborghini is much faster.

These are a few examples of the mental backflips and illogical rationalizations that console gamers typically use to try and downplay the PC and make themselves feel better.

[Fergusonxplainsall]

WTF is Nvidia up to now days..

Of course PC will get better than next gen consoles in time but it will not be the same value of a console.

Then there's the exclusive console games. Sorry but starcraft and DOTA are not in the same level as TLOU and Uncharted.

I also played the Beyond Two Souls demo and that game is gorgeous.. It's really fun to be the entity and do spirit like stuff. It seems it will be a great game. Geez! I'm talking about current gen games again. That's how good they look nowdays.

Nvidia is talking like they made the greatest game ever and it's only on Nvidia GFX cards.

Fauk them!

[TekoIie]

@Vishmarx

Nice looking PS4 you got there... Would be awesome if you could play TLOU on it ;)

[kevnb]

Witcher 2 is the prettiest game so far.

[Mini0510]

LOL

[Rageanitus]

umm ND made very nice looking games for the PS3.... having said that there is no way it looks BETTER than games like battlefield.

A pc gaming rig is really that much better, console only players should really open their eyes.

Hell most games last gen could barely do 720 native resolution! and this is a FACT

[PoSTedUP]

ill take the critically acclaimed console exclusives for $400, alex.

hell, im almost more psyched for gravity rush 2 for the vita than all ps4 launch titles. and i havent favored a fps like i do KZ:M, in a long time.

gameplay> graphics

but dem multiplats do look mighty pretty on pc. but we all know that most of the money and talent goes into first party devs. right? idk but sure as hell seems like it...

[starchild]

Sure as hell doesn't seem like it to me. Most of my favorite games are multiplatform games.

There are of course a few really talented first party developers like Naughty Dog, but by and large you see the same variability in talent among first party as you do among 3rd party developers--some are good, some are bad, and some are just mediocre.

I'll take a Bioshock Infinite or a Dishonored or a Castlevania Lords of Shadow or a Tomb Raider or a Deus Ex Human Revolution or a Mass Effect or a Far Cry 3 over the majority of first party games on PS3 or 360 any day.

First party games just get over-hyped by those of a fanboyish mentality.

[PoSTedUP]

first party games win awards and are the most critically acclaimed by the gaming community for a very good reason, not fanboyism. and this next console gen, oh man, its looking great.
third party's are doing their thing too, i hope most of their games make it to pc.

[Kurylo3d]

curious.. where do you see that first party games are the most critically acclaimed. Last I checked grand theft auto 5 is the highest selling most crtically acclaimed game. In fact... i mostly see higher scores for multi plat form... tomb raider, hitman, call of duty, battlefield, batman arkham series... i mean i can make the list go on.. Just cause u get 2 or 3 games on a console that are only for that console .. doesnt make them more critically acclaimed or better in anyway.

I mean as much as i love games like god of war and uncharted... doesn't really make them any more "critically acclaimed"

[duplissi]

Gameplay>Graphics, I wholly agree. The problem is is that you assume pc games are only about graphics.... with crysis perhaps, but there is a wealth of pc only games that have insanely deep and rewarding gameplay that cant be found elsewhere.

Ignorance is bliss I suppose.

[PurpHerbison]

Right now I am only stoked for Outlast and that is currently on the PC already. Still waiting for a game announcement that caters to my wants.

[PoSTedUP]

like the most talked about games are usually that of the console exclusives. halo gears, mario uncharted etc. but yeah youre right ther are more higher rated multiplatform games. there are also more third party devs that do their thing aswell. youre right +bubble.

[CrimsonFox13]

Gameplay > Graphics is definitely true. That's the reason I switched from consoles to PC, actually. Maybe I've become a 'hipster' but the majority of games I play nowadays are low-budget PC exclusives that put most of their effort into rewarding gameplay instead of the same dumbed down gameplay designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator rehashed over and over for most AAA games (of course, this applies to PC AAA games as well). Consoles just don't have even close to the indie support the PC has, and to me, that's what matters the most.

[Mr Tretton]

I know, this is nonsense, PC has been more advanced than console for longer than is being told here.

[badboy776]

Beyond Two Souls on a 7 year old Console says Hi!

[Angeljuice]

When PS1 was announced, people were calling it the death of pc gaming (I still have magazine articles from that time). PC's at the time didn't have graphics cards, and had no way of rendering 3d graphics properly.
Then, just before the PSX launched, the first PC graphics cards were announced. These required new motherboards etc and took several years to become the norm.

[TekoIie]

@badboy776

I can make ME3 look better on PC.

PC versions of games tend to be more "future proof". I still cant play Arkham City with DX11 features at a good FPS and I've got a GTX 770 :/

[pixelsword]

Nvidia just needs to give it up; all they are doing is smack-talking consoles because they aren't getting paid anymore. One thing they aren't considering is that since consoles aren't using Nvidia, they will likely be not the latter choice for emphasis in terms of detail if it comes down to tweaking to get the best out of one GPU or another; even if they are the better of the two, if no one takes advantage of it, it'll never matter in the long run.

[MadLad]

Designing with a custom, console-specific APU in mind says nothing about actual PC tech.
Nvidia was used in consoles last generation, but it was still a game by game situation, dictated by which manufacturer would be allowed first access to the games in order to develop drivers. That's if they even took a side.
Besides, the only reason AMD is in consoles is because the first choice, Nvidia, wouldn't agree to the price that AMD seemed willing to. That's the only reason.

[WarThunder]

Well of course they say that because their main competition AMD are on both consoles lol....

I bet if nvidia GPU was on both console they would say consoles are the future. I was a Nvidea user for over 10 years, now i switched to AMD (HD7870) and AMD is way better price/performance graphics card!

Seriously, Consoles on paper are weaker but they are more optimizable, there are lost of dev who can pull good looking games on console that can look as good as PC games.

I mean look at the PS3, look how good Ucharted, last of us look, Beyond Two Souls, these games are running on a platform with a 256 GDDR3 and a 550MHz GPU.

U can NOT run a game like that on a PC that has 256MB GDDR3. even a 1 GB GDDR3 can not run it properly...

Think about it for a sec

[ChrisW]

Wow Pixelsword,

There are times when you say intelligent things, and there are times when you don't...

Lately, the latter seems to be more prevalent.

[pixelsword]

@ Chris,

It could be that I say things that go way beyond everyone's head, so let me give you an example:

When benchmarked,the PS3 was supposed to have the better graphics out of the PS3/360:

http://www.extremetech.com/...

But oftentimes when it came to multiplatform games, the 360 looked and performed better, so why is that when the PS3 had the better performing GPU?

Because Developers make games to the lowest common denominator, which means the PS3 suffered because the more numerous (at the time) 360 had to be the best looking, because they want to make money. Sure, devs want to make a pretty game, but they want to make the prettiest game on what will potentially sell the most; and I can't think of any multiplatform game that sold the most on PC short of games that started on the PC and was on the PC for years.

It's not about stats, it's about money. The same reason why MGS almost jumped ship for the 360, and why FF was destroyed to be put on the 360, and why GTA was put on the 360, and why Insomniac stopped being exclusive to go make a game with EA...

...and it's the same reason why Crysis, whit it's free to roam island, was replaced with the tunnel-board for Crysis 2 and 3.

It ain't about pretty, it's about money.

Does that simplify it enough for you?

[Dynasty2021]

Idiot.

90% of gamers have a Nvidia card because AMD's cards suck in comparison.

They always have. This is simple, unarguable fact.

Take the same priced Nvidia card and an AMD card, and I guarantee you, you will see better performance, even if only by 2 or 3 frames, on the Nvidia card.

Gamers should be WORRIED that AMD are in the PS4 and Xbox.

Nvidia beats AMD every time, end of story. AMD may release the world's fastest card, but a few months later, Nvidia beat it.

[ChrisW]

@Pixelsword,

What I was saying is that your first comment was crap. nVidia smack-talks because they can. It may seem like a close race between AMD and nVidia, but nVidia always comes out ahead.... just like post-PS2 Sony could smack-talk, because they had the means to.

Your follow-up comment has little to do with your initial one... albeit more intelligent and slightly easier to follow, it still has no correlation.

@Dynasty2021,

Yeeeah... That's why I've always gone with nVidia GPUs. But honestly, AMD should be more worried that their architecture is in both consoles, not gamers.

[WarThunder]

@Dynasty2021 Nvidia better than AMD? haha! First Nvidia needs to learn how make a good price/performance card...

Nvidia GTX TITAN price: $1000
http://www.newegg.com/Produ...

AMD Radeon HD 7990 price: $710
http://www.newegg.com/Produ...

Benchs
http://www.eteknix.com/amd-...
http://img1.lesnumeriques.c...

even GTX titan superClocked SLI can NOT beat a HD7990 lol
http://images.tweaktown.com...

HD 7990 is $300 cheaper and 30% faster than than GTX Titan.

Nvidia will never be as fast and as inexpensive as AMD Radeon.

Nvidia cards are overpriced. But if you want to throw your more money on a slower card then thats your prob.

But u know as they say: Dumb people pay more. Smart people pay less...

[Persistantthug]

Back in 2005, XBOX 360 was state of the art.

There is no PC from 2005 that can run HITMAN ABSOLUTION, for example.

Today though, the next gen consoles are using high end LAPTOP gpus, basically.

[xKugo]

They're using high-end laptop CPUs not GPUs. I don't know where you got that from.

[Bolts]

Yup. The PS4 and Xbox 360 back then were truely transcendent devices.

The PS3 was the first to introduce Bluray, and when I first watched a movie in Bluray, Apocalypto, it blew my mind. I knew right then that DVD was dead and that the future of my entertainment center would change. This is something my PC could not do.

I don't think I would have the same experience with the PS4. This is a console that struggles to uphold the 1080p 60 fps standard, a standard that the average gaming PC can blow past with power to spare while bringing along nothing new in the process.

Overall the PS4 and Xbox One isn't nextgen devices, it's the catching up to current gen devices.

[MRMagoo123]

@bolts

"I don't think I would have the same experience with the PS4. This is a console that struggles to uphold the 1080p 60 fps standard, a standard that the average gaming PC can blow past with power to spare while bringing along nothing new in the process." The average pc ? the average pc is a lot lower specced than you seem to think, the average pc which i see most every day when i repair them can barely run COD mw2 at mid settings, you would need everything put on low to get 1080p with 60fps.

We all know a good pc will have better performance but most ppl with pcs dont even have a dedicated gpu, they have onboard gpus and they barely run sims 2.

[Persistantthug]

@xKugo

A long time ago, many months ago, we were told that the PS4 would be using a 7970M.

The reason Sony and AMD chose a MOBILE gpu is because if they used a full one that was simular to a desktop PC, it would burn up in that small case.

The TDP is the most important factor there and a 7970M only uses 75 watts. The PS4's probably even uses a bit less because it's only 1.8 Teraflops instead of 2.1.

A PC equivalent, 7850 or 7870.....they use 130 watts and 175 watts. That's clearly too much for an enclosed console box.

Again, there was no way they could use a desktop gpu....that's why they chose a mobile....TDP.

Take a look here if you are interested:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

[Gorilla_Killa_X]

@mrmagoo123

He said average gaming pc. PC gamers always say gaming PCs not PCs in general. I am console gamer and have the PS4 preordered but to believe that either console is more capable of running high end graphics over true gaming PCs is delusional.

[SilentNegotiator]

Not at the same prices, though.

[bumnut]

Whats price got to do with it?

Would I tell my boss his Ferrari isn't better than my VW Bora because the Ferrari costs more?

No

[kingduqc]

I disagree.

ps4 cost is 400$
ps4 cost to play online 400$ for 8 years

Right there, today with 800$ you can build a pc that will play games that will look better in 7 years then what the ps4 will be able to do.

­­And that's not considering sale on pc... Usually save 200-300$ vs what the cost of console game PER YEAR on my pc. So yeah, this argument is hands down a lie.

[SilentNegotiator]

@king

A lie if you intentionally mixup "price" and "cost" to push your agenda and assume the player someone that plays online.

And saving $300 a year? Why, because you don't know how to find console games on sale?

[kingduqc]

Sorry, for me price and cost is kinda the same. I'm not English so I might not know the subtle difference

cost is the value of money that has been used up to produce something

price: the amount of money that you pay for something or that something costs

Yeah, thats what I though. preaty much the same thing.

I buy around 15 games a year, make it 20$ each game you get on pc cheaper and bingo that's 300. But hey you don't belive me cause you got a sony printed into your skull so I'll tell you something that I found really amusing:

Metro last light was 59.99 on release day for every retailer on both console and I got it for 38$ + civ 5 + Xcom.

Now that's 22$ saved + 10-20$ worth off free game. There is a ton of exemple that I got like this.

Bioshock infinite 45$ + bioshock 1 and 2 vs 60$ on console.

But hey the difference is even bigger with older game... Dark souls prepare to die edition was the same price on pc (full game + dlc) then the dlc of ps3 and xbox 360. you had to get the 30$ copy to get the game on top of 15$ for the dlc.

That's just to show how little console gamer know about playing on pc. On top of that we get the better version (imo worth more then a few bucks here and there anyway)

[SephirothX21]

Try modding in console games. Not really possible. PC gives you choice of operating system. Do you want Linux, SteamOS, Windows or iOS? Steam has far better deals than PS Plus and Xbox Live. PC has complete backwards compatibility and is upgradeable and endlessly customisable. A new graphics API comes out and PC games can take advantage of it almost immediately with driver updates or new gpus on the market. NVidia will release their Maxwell line of gpus next year which will have 14 - 16 teraflops. That is 14 - 16 trillion floating point operations per second. The PS4 gpu has 1.84 teraflops. The PC is the gaming platform for the elite. You can talk about console exclusives all you want but there are many PC exclusives including MMOs like Guild Wars 2, WOW and SW:The Old Republic and RTS games such as Rome: Total War 2, Star Craft 2 and many others. Though multiplatform games have been the best this generation and those on PC play best on PC. When it comes to GTA V releasing later on PC, there are many examples of the same on consoles. Diablo 3 says hello. Diablo 3 was out ages before coming to consoles. So was Half Life 2 and the Witcher 2. PC is the elite gaming platform.

[Ohlmay]

Actually once Gaikai comes around, Sony has stated they will stream their Playstation games to PC's, so yes, I'll be able to play all your precious Playstation games and GTA V has been pretty much confirmed coming to PC, it's just the waiting game now.

Next-gen consoles - Battlefield 4 720p
PC - 1440p Ultra Settings, 60+ FPS

lolConsoles

[ded1020]

As someone that believed what he read on the interwebs about how hassle-free gaming on PC has become and spent $$$ to build a gaming PC, I have to disagree with you.

My PS3 with PS+ trumps my gaming PC so hard it's almost laughable that people suggest Steam is a valid alternative for the majority.

[NewMonday]

"PC - 1440p Ultra Settings, 60+ FPS"

that will cost over $2000

lol

[limewax]

Actually a GTX will do that on all but a couple games and you can get one for around £200 in the right places now.

Also that's the most expensive component right there. A Sandybridge processor will also do the job while saving a bit of cash. Honestly you could build most of my setup without going anywhere near £1000. I only have 8Gb of RAM and I never have any issues with performance on max settings.

Cheap and powerful PC's are a reality but for some reason N4G are scared of the idea. PC's aren't here to invade your hobby, they're an option kids, and a good one at that too!

[NewMonday]

@limewax
again listing the price of GPU only without the dozen other things, add it all up for someone starting with nothing and tell us again how much it costs.

people who believed talk like yours got burned, the first time I followed the same kind of "advice" I ended up with a disappointing setup for the money I spent, as I wised up I built a machine from the top to the bottom costing over $1500, and even with the GTX680+i7 couldn't run tomb raider with everything maxed and 60fps, could only manage 45fps.

[sync90]

You sound so childish.

[Damageinc84]

@newmonday

If you had a 680/I7 and only pulled out 45 FPS on tomb raider you are doing something wrong. I run an I5 4670k with 660 TI 3GB cards in SLI which compare nicely to a 680. At 1080 maxed settings without the Tressfx hair settings I pull 140+ FPS. With the Tressfx enabled I still manage 80 FPS. The tressfx is a waste to be honest and is optimized for ATI cards. Also something else to keep in mind if you GPU is getting above 70c it will down clock itself. You need a nice case with an aggressive fan profile on your GPU using afterburner or Precision X. Neither of my GPU's go over 55c while playing anything besides the Titan benchmarks. And I didn't spend 2000. Spent MAYBE 1200-1300. I would have to go back thru receipts.

[Cryptcuzz]

Who gives a damn about PC visuals being better or not. What's the point of that? Nothing will be gain or lost to each respectIve demographic.

PC gamers only, not those that game on both like myself, will only care that a computer can play games available on a computer with higher visuals.

For you see, consoles do not care to be better in visuals and graphics fidelity compared to computers for that is not its purpose and reason why it is created.

Use your brain cells and contemplate that it shouldn't matter. Consoles serves a purpose and computers for gaming serves another purpose that should be viewed as an extension of console gaming.

Nvidia, I once respect and understand and admit makes great performing video cards. The fact of the matter is they are butt hurt they are not represented in any of the next gen consoles. Why else does anyone that has been gaming for the past two generations cannot understand that when they had their tech in previous consoles did not down play consoles as they have done so adamantly as of late?

My point is, the computer only gamers who are out spoken about superior visuals and graphics are but a minority. Those who game on a PC, and I am one them, are numerous in numbers, but those who game on PC that down play consoles at the same time are but the last of their kind. That is why they are so outspoken. Fear that their kind is dwindling, but oblivious to the fact that it does not have to be as simple as having things either black or white.

Those who game also on consoles and a computer, respect.

Those who game only on computers and yet have a need to downplay consoles at every opportunity they can, wake up.

Those who claim to game on consoles and a computer and yet down play console gamers whenever they can, one word. Delusional. Meaning...seek the definition.

[limewax]

That's a mighty fine speech except you only covered one base. If you expect PC only gamers to stop moaning about console gamers then you also have to accept that console gamers need to quit getting on to PC gamers and claiming to have the more powerful setup.

In reality a bit of rational thinking and 5 minutes with Google would teach anybody why all of the options make a great choice, but this is N4G and I don't expect any level of maturity from the community or staff.

On the staff note, for the love of god N4G get Candy Crush the hell off your site! I can't even browse the home page for 5 seconds without getting redirected the the Play Store encouraging me to get Candy Crush Saga

[joeorc]

@limewax

"That's a mighty fine speech except you only covered one base. If you expect PC only gamers to stop moaning about console gamers then you also have to accept that console gamers need to quit getting on to PC gamers and claiming to have the more powerful setup. "

On the same token, Many PC gamer's also have to come to grips, that until we can see what Gabe n company are doing @ Valve that any game you buy for PC has a windows performance tax, more so than the console's. enough so that there is quite the number of wasted resources that your PC could have , but instead developer's do not get because the WindowsOS takes them. Unlike PC Console's /performance right now outstrips the same cost in PC due to the fact that the OS overhead. But like i stated Valve is or is trying to take this problem head on in fixing this very issue. until they do, PC's do not get really programmed to the Metal like Consoles do. that is just the blunt truth of the matter. At least Now consumer's $$$ for expensive GPU's and the Resources that those expensive GPU's contain will not be or have going to waste because of an OS that is designed for majority of other tasks but games as the priority.

with Valve heading up this, that OS Tax will or should be reduced by quite a bit. Console's are great, but PC's could be better game machines with a more streamlined OS.

Again that is just the truth, you purchase expensive components but yet you cannot take full advantage of said components due to the OS tax, valve is driving to fix that. It is indeed the one area where Consoles had the main advantage over the PC for price/performance. with Valve releasing their new OS we can see what the performance increase will be.

[Kakashi Hatake]

@Bolt,what the hell are you smoking to say that? GTA4 PC better looking than Watch Dogs PS4? So the PC version of a last gen game looks better than a next gen title? Funny you say that since the PC version only has higher resolution, slightly better textures and higher fps over console version. GTA 5 stomps it to hell and back so how does it look better than Watch Dogs PS4? PC fanboys love to exaggerate. Got anymore for us? Like Final Fantasy 8 PC looks better than Killzone Shadowfall?

[Irishguy95]

I'd say he's counting mods...in that case GTA4 looks better than Watch Dogs

[megamanX2]

lol

[CRAIG667]

This argument is ridiculous, we all have personal tastes, we're human.
I game on PC/PS3/WII and 360, I have my personal favourite BUT each platform offers something that the others don't hence the reason I game on ALL the major platforms, the same as I will next gen.

The my dick's bigger than your's on N4G will never end, but every once in a while I like to speak up and remind people how ridiculous this argument is.

Hence my 2 bubbles.

[Consoldtobots]

in a few years I will have been gaming on PC for 20 years and even I think all these PC elitists sound like a bunch of idiots. A PC will NEVER offer the unified experience that a console does. It's like comparing your non street legal hot rod which sits in your driveway to a racing circuit where you're actually enjoying a great experience.

[MazzingerZ]

I would care more about PC playing Playstation exclusives

[thisismyaccount]

It´s obvious that they are lying about spending 1.5B of dollars yearly for R&D. Simyply because if i was the Boss at Nvidia i would spend that cash into a own propietary console with a Titan built in it.

1.5B per year, not Sony and not Microsoft have spent that much into making their ngen consoles. They already have a great GPU up to Titan, one would think they would be more smart about how to invest their own money.

For 1.5B per year you can compete in the gaming market and have the strongest console with the best GPU.

[Sirlancealot]

Let me explain the use of consoles. People make these stupid arguements that PC is greater than consoles...PC's are not uniform, there are those that have low end and high end pc's. When you pay for a console you get uniformity and good graphics albeit not the best. typically with PC gaming you have to upgrade certain parts every now and then, but with a console you can be assured that you'll be able to game for a good 5-10 years on your machine. It's the stability, you never have PC gamer thoughts run through your head, like " can my system run this?". Both have their benefits. But logically it makes sense to get consoles which are devoted to gaming. PC's give you the best graphics, no uniformity, within 10 years in order to max out games available there has to be several upgrades made. Console good graphics, the best games and exclusives, uniformity at a reasonable price.

[Cha0tik]

Word to Nvidia's boss. While graphics do have to look good in games... they don't have to be better than PC graphics to be a better game. Examples: The Last Of Us, Uncharted, SOME Final Fantasy games, Kingdom Hearts, Killzone. Basically exclusives are more than half of the time better than multi platform(not including COD and Battlefield because those games are damn well good on any platform).

[gazgriff2k12]

i wish nvidia would STFU and never speak again

[bumnut]

Why? They made the GPU for PS3

[shutUpAndTakeMyMoney]

Honestly this is only true if devs actually use the pc hardware.

I hate when they say "we want every platform to look the same" becuz console players will complain.

But also this is looking to be true! Usually console are neck and neck with pc at first! Now ps4 can't even handle battlefield 4 like pc can.. And next gen is not even here yet!

[Death]

A gaming PC has always had better graphics than consoles. Resolution alone on PC is much, much higher than what consoles can ever do due to HDTV limitations. Reading the article you can see it is 100% damage control by Nvidia since both consoles went with AMD chips. If anything, the next gen of consoles will look better than many PC's with the gap getting more narrow. How this guy thinks PC is jumping ahead now is beyond me.

[ala_767]

In the Article it says "Sony and Microsoft and afford to spend that much on Graphics research " LOL These companies are trying to find afordable game console rather than super expensive PC

[Tsar4ever01]

At first when I saw the title of this post I thought this Nvidia boss was looking for an excuse to take some PR shots at AMD. But after reading this article I for one absolutlly agree with him. I'm glad consoles adopted pc hardware to save cost & make gaming development way less painful then ever. And more console AAA exclusives WILL be ported to pc this gen because of the pc hardware compatibility. As much as I want the next–gen consoles to excel, especially the PS4. I find some of the pathetic responses of some of these console fanboys in such complete DENILE of the gaming PC obvious superior brute power per wattage, really fucking REPULSIVE!!

[SDS Gamerfiend]

Plz my Radeon HD 6970 2GB GDDR5 16gb Ripjaws gaming series ram and AMD phenom II X6 1100T Black Edition CPU kills the Xbox one and PS4! PC rules!!! Upgrading to 7990 soon!

[Sarick]

How big is your modern games library? I'm asking about about the modern games that utilize that systems full potential and where created in the past few years? Are you able to fully emulate the exclusive games from all major consoles?

Those are nice specs but sometimes we don't have the same access to all games on the PC. To my knowledge some popular exclusives can only be played on consoles.

On another note:

I think this boss is prepping the PC/console market for their super high end SteamBox contracts. I would assume they'd have some agreements with valve and other PC makers to make advanced SteamBox GPU hardware.

When given the recent SteamBox announcement What better way to hype the advantages of PC gaming then to promote the higher potential of PCs? Coincidence or well planned marketing strategy. Only time will tell.

[AD705]

It amazes me that people still use the whole "2000 dollar pc that you have to upgrade every 6-12 months" to hate on the pc. I've been gaming on the pc since 1997 and during that time I've only had to upgrade and buy parts like 3 times and it never costed over 1,000 dollars.

If I had to factor in all the consoles I have bought from the NES to the ps3 it's way over the 1,000-3,000 gaming pc that consoles fanboys always talk about.

If you factor in all the consoles people buy it's wayyyyy over a gaming pc.

As for games it's all suggestive. Personally I didn't even give a damn about the ps3 until uncharted 2 came out in 2009 of october. For almost 3 years it was a dust collector except for playing mgs4. Regardless of the "powa of teh cell and bluray" the ps3 got the short end of the stick when it came to multiplats, the online was shitty. Hell the only things the ps3 had going for it were a handful of exclusives and bluray which it didn't get until years later.

the 360 had halo and gears and that was it. Other than that it was paying for shit you had free somewhere else. A motion sensing camera that didn't do shit for gaming, and the constant hardware problems that plague it for years.

I think we know all about the wii and what a disaster that was save for a few 1st party exclusives. Atleast consoles back then had good shit to play and every library was unique. This gen consoles share 90% of the same games that all play better on the pc.

As for graphics. If console gamers and fanboys don't care for graphics then how can they explain all the talk about how "ps4 is 50% more powerful" and the constant talk about which console has the better graphics that has been happening on this website for the last 8 years? It's not just n4g either.

IGN, gamespot, gametrailers, G4, destructoid, polygon, eurogamer, and every other gaming site out there. Its full of console gamers arguing mostly over console graphics superiority. and pc gamers only care for graphics?

[solar]

what really pisses me off about console gamers is they think because we buy $500 graphics cards is because we want to be better. IT IS NOT THAT AT ALL! it is about the technology. not bragging rights

[NnT3291]

The thing is PC will never be fully utilized. I agree that consoles are not as powerful, but it still takes developers a lot of effort, time and money to push them to the limit.

[mark134uk]

its like having a ferrari and not being able to afford the petrol,you can spend $$$$$ on a pc to make it great but your games are still mostly console ports

[AD705]

LOL what kind of a pc gamer updates his hardware every 2 years? We always hear from console fanboys that you have to upgrade every few years yet I don't know 1 pc gamer who does that at all. Same with having a 2,000 dollar gaming pc as well.

Why don't console fanboys learn a thing or two about pc gaming before they go around spreading falsehoods about it? Because it's clearly obvious that most haven't gamed on the pc at all.

[solar]

since the beginning of time consoles mates cry from the rooftops graphics dont matter. yet this thread of 300 comments

[d3nworth1]

It not even that. Nvidia is just butt hurt that none of the consoles are using their gpus anymore. If you notice AMD hasnt made any negative statements about the consoles.

[kewlkat007]

I'm sure a Mark Cerny says article will come out soon about PS4 doing 4k games and 1080p 60fps on all games...

[British_Knight]

I don't understand how this is news. PS4 costs $399 and XBOX One cost $499. People are still criticizing Microsoft for that price. My cousin spent $800 on his PC rig; the bundle was worth near a $1000. His PC is middle of the road and it's extremely powerful. Imagine spending $1500 on a graphics card; that's insane.

I prefer consoles over PC, because consoles get more dev support. Lastly, gaming isn't all about graphics. Gameplay, story, voice work and artistic style are equally as important - I'm speaking in regards to PC exclusives in comparison to console exclusives.

Cross platform titles - CoD, Battlefield, etc, will always look better on a supercharged PC on max settings.

[Sephiroushin]

It's possible, it will just take a lot amount of money to make a super strong GPU, CPU this and that for the console, at the end of the day the console will cost something like $2,000? and after 1 or 2 months there will be better parts on PC in the market ... It's possible not likely though, and just a stupid move if done, business wise not profitable because such console won't sell at all and will be destined to fail ...

[ErcsYou]

Unless the consoles were 1200 watts with 3 titan gpus and cost $3000 dollars. All i want is a gtx 780 and it costs more than either next gen console. $400 for a next gen console that plays games that look better than last gen is a deal to me.

[black0o]

comparing a 300-500 consoles to 1-3k pc is stupid, nividia is just but#%* from the fact that AMD tech will for the few next years thx to AMD support for the consoles

[SonyPS360]

It's never a "1-3k PC", because you can always just upgrade one or two components in a PC for a couple of hundred, and it will run better than any console.

[rmatthe5]

You don't need a GTX 780 to play games on pc.

[Snakefist30]

Yeah U do need GTX780 for the long run!!

[Petro]

Try Arma 3. :P

[xKugo]

If you don't want to upgrade in the next few years, it's best you get either a 780 or a dual GPU setup(something like dual GTX 570s SLI).Next-gen consoles are going to drive the bar by a sizable margin, so it's best to make sure that the GPU you have will be able to keep for the duration of this gen if you don't want to upgrade more than once to keep gaming at max-settings.

[DoctorJones]

I just bought a gtx 670 for under £180 and it pretty much maxes every game out, it will last me quite a while.

Why would I spend over £500 on a 780 when by the time it comes for me to want or need an upgrade I'll be able to buy a card which is probably more powerful than the 780 for around the same price as what my 670 cost me?

No one HAS to have a 780 at all, that's totally false, and costly. If anything I could game with it for a couple of years and then add another 670 which would probably cost me around £50 on Ebay.

It's a complete falsehood that you have to spend big money or buy the latest cards to enjoy pc gaming, you just have to be a bit sensible with your cash.

EDIT:I'll add as well that the card I had before was a 570 which I sold on Ebay for £85, so the total cost of my 670 was £95.

This is another aspect you need to think of when it comes to cost. Your old card doesn't just go in the bin, it goes towards the cost of your next one. Like trading in an old car.

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

That all aside, I think the ideal experience is a good gaming rig + a console of your choice. Sony tends to deliver the JRPG goodness I want, so things have worked well for me.

[Pandamobile]

I'm willing to bet that in 3 years, the average home computer (not even specifically a gaming computer) will out power both next-gen consoles by a significant margin.

In 2016, a mid-range laptop will be able to produce graphics at the same level as the PS4, if not more.

[Caffo01]

and yet you guys always forget about games optimization on consoles..

[pixelsword]

Optimization is key; whereas most PC devs just up the specs, console devs typically optimize to the point that the console can remain competitive up to the end.

[Pandamobile]

Yeah, but these are already well-established devices. Many of those optimizations they will make will help out PC as well. The PS3 and 360 were very different machines to PC. They had some power behind them that took 4+ years to surface.

Devs will be near-maxing out PS4 and One with the first couple years of their life cycle.

[Caffo01]

"Many of those optimizations they will make will help out PC as well"
Yes, but having a fixed hw will help optimizing more on consoles than pc.

[LordSane]

Not optimization but mostly hard work of the game designers.

[Caffo01]

lol at disagrees..
having all ps4 the same hw, developers can optimize for THAT graphic card, processor etc..
I have a decent pc that can do graphics surely better than ps3, I'm not saying ps4 will outperform every pc, but having THAT hw across all ps4 (or x1) will help developers to not fall too much behind pc in the coming years, just like ps3 and x360. I think everyone can understand that.

[ramiuk1]

yep and also hav a 200w psu and draiing national grid

[prodg52]

It will cost more too. The majority of console gamers don't care that PC's have better graphics or that they are more powerful. The whole point of a console is accessibility. Cheaper/ Ease of use (controller)/ Plug and play.

KID: "Mom I want a i7 PC with Corsair Vengeance 32GB DDR3, and radeon 7970 3GB video card."
MOM: "How about I get you an XBox?"

[Pandamobile]

And this may be where the SteamBox comes in. Curb the whole "PC IS TOO EXPENSIVE :(" mentality.

Also, expensive is relative. Every person needs a computer. It's a necessary part of modern life to either work or communicate on a personal computer. $1000 for a new laptop every 3 or 4 years isn't really that bad. $400 for a new console whose sole purpose is video games - that's bit expensive.

[SilentNegotiator]

Let's not kid ourselves; most laptops aren't built to live past 2 years and $1000 laptops aren't the best sellers for a reason (if that's affordable for you, good for you - but it isn't for most).

$400 for a console every 7 years is not bad.

[Pandamobile]

Yeah, it's not. I'm just saying that a laptop or desktop can be an investment, whereas a gaming console is an entertainment expense.

[starchild]

A good Blu-ray player also costs more than a crappy DVD player, but I didn't know the point was always to go for the cheapest thing possible. If that were the case then we should all buy the Ouya or something like that and call it a day.

Sometimes you pay more to get a higher quality experience.

In any case, the PC is only more costly out of the gate. Over the years of ownership the costs swings back in favor of the PC. On console you will end up spending more due to online gaming fees and more expensive games.

[SilentNegotiator]

And in 2016, PS4 will cost $200-300 and the computers that outdo it will cost $600+

So what? Same old story as always.

[duplissi]

A 600 dollar pc outdoes it now, if only slightly.

[MidnytRain]

A rig that outdoes it NOW will cost $600... The same parts will probably cost $400 to $500 by that time.

[RyuCloudStrife]

someone is speaking out of their rear again LOL

[2pacalypsenow]

yeah a 2016 computer will have 2013 ps4 graphics, while ps4 games will look even better than now compare 2006 game to a 2012 and tell me it looks the same

[Pandamobile]

Nah. I'm afraid we aren't going to see that monumental graphical leap any time soon. I don't foresee games in 2018 looking THAT much better than they do today.

For one, it's getting harder and harder to make things look better.

You console guys aren't moving into the HD era all over again. You're going from the HD era to the slightly Higher-Def HD era.

[MadLad]

The $1,500 PC I built seven months ago will be running BF4 at a constant 60 (if the specs are to be any indicator) at 2560x1440 . . .
Why would I need a 2016 PC to outperform the new consoles?

[webeblazing]

what???
are you saying pc in 2016 will be weaker than today's pc??? LMAO
layoff the paint chips

see this is what pc gamers be talking about. to think I use defend ps fanboys

[bjmartynhak]

I agree, but should we wait?

Or for how long a $400 PC today is going to be still relevant?

[Consoldtobots]

I just had to roll back my manufacturers GPU driver and replace it with the Nvidia version JUST to get FIFA 14 to run AT ALL.

I don't see casual consumers putting up with that kind of crap.

[WeAreLegion]

Never has been possible. I game primarily on my PS3/Vita, but I game on my laptop or desktop all the time. I love Steam and all the amazing PC games. Why would anyone only game on PC or only on consoles? Either way, you'd be missing out on some of the best games ever made.

[Caffo01]

i agree but consoles are the easier and cheaper way to play.

[rmatthe5]

Games on consoles are 60 dollars a piece so how is that cheaper? And when a new console comes out you have to just buy the new one with no option to upgrade your current console ?

[pixelsword]

Games on consoles are 60 dollars a piece so how is that cheaper?

2000/60 = 33.3

alienware's top of the line starts off at 2000 smackers
http://www.dell.com/us/p/al...

so I could either get 33 games or alienware.

And will this computer be top of the line in seven years?

How about in the next three?

That's kinda the balance that happens between the two in terms of arguments.

[Persistantthug]

@rmatthe5,

Many new AAA budget games on PC are $60 on Steam as well.

Also, having the ability to buy, sell, or trade any game at will because you own the disk is a massive advantage.

Ownership does own.

Just sayin

[SilentNegotiator]

"Games on consoles are 60 dollars a piece so how is that cheaper?"

Did you fall back in time 5 years when new PC games weren't $60? Oh no! Follow my voice, rmatthe5! I swear I will get you back to the present!

[Caffo01]

ok, games are cheaper... what about the pc itself? i'll buy PS4 for 400 euros and won't upgrade to next-next-gen until PS5 will come out.
What if i pay 600-700 for a mid-range pc? Won't be able to play games on max from the start and 2-3 years from now i'll be stuck playing on low settings if i don't want to upgrade.

[rmatthe5]

@ pixelsword Alienware is known to jack up their prices really high. You can build a pc for just 500 dollars.

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

No it really isn't. You make think it is. But the amount of new releases I've gotten for over %40 off on my PC have been crazy. More than makes up for the cost of a $1500 rig. Which you can spend even less than.

[duplissi]

LOL... you dont need a 2000 dollar pc. you guys are delusional. A pc that costs less than half that will be able to max the vast majority of games out there now, and then you factor in that the games are cheaper (not always directly from steam or origin, you want to check cd key sites or game deal sites such as greenmangaming)

I have not spent over 35 dollars on a game at or around launch this year. Some were cheaper (try 5 bucks) but for the most part they were all around 30 bucks.

So lets add up the money I spent on new (at lauch or shortly after) games this year.

Bioshock infinite
Tomb Raider
Far Cry 3
Far Cry 3 Blood Dragon
Splinter Cell Blacklist
Saints Row 4
Crysis 3
Remember Me
Dead Space 3
Hitman absolution

that is about 300 dollars spent on new games this year, and for console that would be about double, and this is not factoring in the games I would buy at sales like the steam summer sale. Now this is not to say I am saving money on games, in fact I just turn around in put that money into my pc to make it better. That 300 is a new monitor, gpu, cpu, keyboard, sound card, headset, etc. so you see the money you save on games can go to maintain your system so it is not out of date.

The real advantage of a console is less maintenance, and initial price of entry. some people cant afford more than 400 or 500 for their gaming habbit, so think of a console like a cell phone contract where the phone's price is subsidized and you pay for it in the long run, and pc gaming like buying your phone outright and going pre paid (overall cheaper but you must be able to afford bigger investments every so often when you need to replace parts.)

[bromtown]

Here's the thing. PC's are obviously better and have been for a while, only an idiot would deny it but it's expenditure = experience. Playing modern games on a PC is a fluid investment, graphics cards need updating, RAM needs adding, you have to account for overheads due to OS, and general inefficiency of components over time whereas a console is always going to be favourable to a lot of people because you just plug it in and off you go.

You can build a decent rig for the same price as an Xbox One or PS4 but in a years time it'll be getting tired, and you have to spend another $100 on it. And so on every time a new innovation or manufacturing process appears. Meanwhile that console you bought 5 years ago is still plugging away and is perfectly enjoyable.

[rmatthe5]

After the console cycle is over games will stop being made for that console therefore you have to buy another console at 400 dollars or more. An example is the ps3 when it first came out. The ps3 cost 600 dollars so after 10 years its obsolete. Another cost is the games which is 60 dollars per game when they first come out. If you buy 20 games that is 1200 dollars just for games. So now when the new console comes out you will be spending another 400 dollars on the console. So spending 100 dollars is no big deal.

[bromtown]

My PS3 isn't obsolete, still play it nearly everyday :)

$400 every 8-10 years is preferable to $100 every 12-18 months to most, but you've got me on games.

Personally I buy very few new retail games, only things like The Last of Us and GTA V, but I do get PS+ games which is a very good deal.

[dragonyght]

Lol really now I'm curious for the last 7-8 years of this Ps3/360 consoles circle how many time you had to update your PC or brought a new one. come on enlighten us

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

@Dragon

Once, one part, recently. Graphics card. Spent $400ish on a new one. Outperforms whatever the PS4 and X1 has by a landslide.

[annus]

Meanwhile the money you saved on cheaper games and not paying for online gets to sit in the bank piling up, ready to upgrade for a better experience at less of a cost.

[razrye]

Consoles give security. Pc gives damn all

[annus]

Security as in what? Limiting what you can do? PSN breach doesn't count as failed security? You saying there aren't hackers on console? I present to you CoD4 and CoD MW. That had hackers out of control. People flying, under the maps, inside of buildings, slow motion, laser bullets, and all other crap. Took WEEKS to fix, and that whole time it basically unplayable. That was on both PS3 and 360. On PC a hacker comes into a match and they get banned straight away by the admin.

[ghostrider32]

It's all about graphics and power, until a PC gamer comes into the picture.

[_QQ_]

Yup the hypocrisy is hilarious.Then they talk about price and good deal is what matters yet they are willing to pay 250$ extra for 5 years worth of online play on a machine that only does gaming.

[strigoi814]

$400 =\= $1000

Nvidia stop it you are just making yourself stupid, even parents would never consider buying their child or teen a pc that can play games on maxed out settings

[Zizi]

I think this statement is misleading. People play videogames (all included; the gameplay, the graphics, the story, and every other thing).

If people buy videogames just to see the graphics, I think we are in a different world here. Haha...

[PickAShoe]

Indie games all the way man.

[coolasj]

I mean, when you're running 2 $1000 graphics cards, you better be able to have a prettier game than a console. Seeing as how First Party PS4 games are almost all running at 1080p 60fps, I expect that to hopefully stay that way as they use the hardware more. Or maybe it'll swing the other way, who knows.

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

You and I both know nothing good looking is in 1080p and 60fps. As games do more things and look better it'll dip lower again, like this gen. That's just how it works. If you want games to look ps3 quality, then it might be possible, otherwise, no, it won't happen.

And don't you dare include indie games, low budget titles with pixelated graphics aren't exactly contenders for best looking game.

[aquamala]

with 2 $1000 graphics cards you can play games in 4K, play games in only 1080p 60fps you don't need to spend more than $200-$300.

[webeblazing]

its funny cause before the new consoles was announced a lot of people on the site said 1080p game weren't need and the effects and the gfx pc gamers had wasn't that much of a leap but now yall acting like pc gamers never had this or it just don't matter til yall have it.

I remember a lot of times Pandamobile use to try to explain stuff on here and even say games look different when you playing them compare to youtube vid. and now yall using it. yall sad. kinda pathetic

not directed at you commented wrong post

[core_5]

Look at the PS3 and Beyond what they can do after seven year and then do the same on a seven years old PC.

[annus]

I bet a 7 year old PC can play a game and voice chat to someone playing a different game.

[krazykombatant]

LOL bubbles for the funny

[bumnut]

Playstation Network, the only gaming network where you need a mobile phone by your side :)

[PickAShoe]

Yes, on low setting.

[5h4h4b]

Nvidia pffft hahaha

What a bunch of butthurts. Rofl

[_QQ_]

They still dominate the mobile market which is 10X bigger than the console market.

[5h4h4b]

Here you go bro. Read it!
Http://beta.fool.com/techju...

[Bolts]

Nvidia is failing hard with their Tegra 3 because it's basically a giant GPU tasked to compute mobile OS. The result is a slow and power hungry mobile chip, but damn the graphics are good.

Even then their initiatives are taking them into new markets. Because unlike AMD, they understand that when you're tied to the PC and consoles, the only thing there to do is to die a slow and certain death. The very high end PC market is shrinking, and the console business are low margin to the point of subsistence. You can't grow a business there.

[_QQ_]

I just read, Sucks for Nvidia,ive always preferd Nvidia cards.

[MidnytRain]

People keep calling them butthurt and "too focused on graphics" or something like that... Isn't that what their company is ABOUT?

[KruLLit]

Haha, Console fanboys bashes the crap out of Wii U because it has bad graphics but as soon as there is an article about PC vs consoles, they are talking about about how the games are much better on consoles and graphics doesn't matter.

[2pacalypsenow]

I dont care i enjou the game with or without good graphics same gameplay

[bumnut]

Im a bad graphics whore so I game on PC :)

[2pacalypsenow]

i game on pc too just sli two 670's but i stell get some games on consoles

[monkeyfox]

nvidia should shut the fk up - trying to get PC and console fans riled up again.. ffs this is a bullshit augment always has been always fkin will be.

Of course a PC can match /better what consoles are doing.. they are an open ended platforms, they are designed to be upgraded every few sodding months.. and at considerable cost i might add

Doesnt stop console devs producing some of the best games this generation however.. and on 7-8 year tech! Just finished the last of us.. bloody awesome and theres nothing like it on PC...

[MidnytRain]

"nvidia should shut the fk up"

Wasn't this an interview? What was he supposed to do? Give the interviewer the silent treatment?

[GinkgoID]

I struggle to understand why this is even still a conversation.

It is clear that technology is always improving, and that PCs which are released with updates regularly and can be continuously upgraded with the latest tech.

Consoles stuck in time for 6-7 years will always be behind. That is not news.

However, console advantages are numerous and with the release of Next Gen, the current gap between very high end PCs and consoles will be greatly reduced, with only a very small % of people having better PCs. Though clearly that % will grow over time as new tech appears and people upgrade their PCs.

Consoles architecture is streamlined for gaming in ways that PCs aren't (e.g. unified memory). This allows them to punch way above they weight for a lower price-point. You are paying 2-3 times for a more powerful PC.

Consoles are all the same/consistent, so it is much easier to just plug in the disk and it just works (generally).

Few people have PCs in the living room, so consoles are geared towards sitting on the couch playing with a large flat screen, which is awesome. Can be done with a PC sure, but that is not where most people have them, and it sucks to use a mouse on the sofa.

One deciding factor is games. There are way more games on consoles, however, MMOs have been largely the domain of PCs, so if that is your thing then PCs are the only valid choice. However, with the next gen, there are more and more MMOs coming across to console (especially PS4 at this point). So that equations has changed somewhat, though PCs still have the advantage.

If you have the time, money, energy and know-how, to stay up with the latest tech, then PC is the way to go and will ensure that you are always playing at the optimum level available.

For the vast majority who fail at least one or two of those criteria, then consoles offer a great value proposition. Relatively cheap entry cost, just turn on and start playing. Set for 6-7 years without hassle.

[JackStraw]

on the internet, anybody who knows of the terms cpu & gpu know all there is to know about computers and how they work, etc. they don't even have to know what the terms mean. silly.

you kids lol. you try so hard to prove "pc > consoles" etc etc. if it was so true, it would need no proof. it would just simply be true, and your knowledge of that truth would suffice. the very fact that you argue so fervently is a subtle admittance of defeat.

[ziggurcat]

Nvidia can't seem to let go of the butthurt over MS, and Sony going with AMD, can't they...

[TheOneEyedHound]

I hate nerdy Mmos, so I'll live :)

I mean, I can't invite my friends to play these games, some of my friends don't even know they exist. I got stuff to do, console gaming is rich and easy, it helps. I come home(Always Drunk)from a party, maybe always around 2-3am and I pop in Uncharted 3, The Last of Us or even Call of Duty for zombies and have some quick matches with my friends. It wouldn't feel the same on PC, believe me I used to game on it 4yrs ago, I played nothing but Runescape and Multiplats(which I really didn't want to play on my pc, I felt better playing them on my ps3 getting trophies) Not bad gaming on PC there's some games that are addicting as hell, but it's not my life style to be on the computer 10-18hours a day.

[WitWolfy]

SMH.. The flamebait in this article is astonishing...

[Mr_Writer85]

This

PC will always have better graphics it's a fact of life.

But the console version of games still look good, it's not like we are comparing a PS3 to Atari 2006 graphics FFS.

More importantly the game plays the same on both platforms. And gameplay always trumps graphics.

[boing1]

Hey Nvidia boss, ever heard of art direction?

[Soldierone]

Cool story. Graphics don't mean everything. Crisis looks mind blowing, but is one of the most dull shooters on the market. Meanwhile COD has looked like a PS2 game for almost a decade and sells more units than everything out there.

You spent double on your PC, I sure hope you see a benefit somewhere..... now stop bragging and go play games.... geez.

[RVanner_]

I definitely agree that we should all get along and just play games.

However graphics do play such an important role in the experience and immersion into the game which forms a large part of the enjoyment.

You can play a game on console, then the same game on PC and find you enjoy it twice as much. Graphics just suck you into the game world that bit more. I admit Crysis is pretty pony!

[Soldierone]

Sure it adds to it, but it isn't everything. If I had to choose from the most brilliant looking game in the world, or the most fun game in the world. I pick fun.

[iamnsuperman]

And you pay for that privilege.

[clouds5]

Guys the article is purely about the graphics. And it's true the consoles have no chance against PC in the graphics department. We don't have to argue about that - as the guy said: Its simple math. PC has more power. End of story.

BUT (big but) since the xbox360 and ps3 consoles have become the main development platform for games. Therefor you have alot of very good games with big budgets on consoles even if the graphics are less impressive than on PC.

Now with xb1 and ps4 we have a completely new situation. Everything is x86. There is NO reason not to release games on PC anymore. How long does it take to "port" a game to PC? They are already optimized for x86, they use more or less the same hardware, they already make use of 8GB ram....
-->Every "next gen" game should be on PC. PC has the biggest install base. Even with piracy it should be a profit, considering you need very little effort to release for it.

[tontontam0]

Exclusive first party games would still make me buy the ps4 and the xbox one,if i have the money.

No matter how hard you wish there will still be games exclusive to consoles.

[clouds5]

Yes of course. You know I love gaming i dont care on which system I do it (I have a Microsoft Windows PC, a Nintendo WiiU, a Sony PS2 and an android phone with a mobile gamepad).
But I personally hate spending money on different things that all do the same. If exclusives are the only thing that is differentiating gaming systems from each other its kinda lame...
For example WiiU at least has something special to offer^^
But PS4 and Xbox1 (and in some ways PC too) kinda offer the same thing atm right down to the hardware.

In reality there will always be exclusives and I'm fine with that because there are always ways to play these games anyway without spending too much money (borrowed a PS3 for TLOU and I'll get a used 360 for other exclusives after the xb1 launch).

But it would be nice if you could buy one system that does all the games, wouldnt it? I don't think any Gamer (consumer!) would be opposed to that.

The gaming industry is special in this way you know. For example you dont have to buy 2 different TVs to watch movies from Warner Bros and Universal^^ And you dont need seperate cars to drive to different countries...
You see what I mean?

[quenomamen]

You BSers wherent saying that last gen when MS was writing you guys checks

[ooquis]

"your average consumer": NO LONGER WILL I PAY $500 FOR A FUCKING GRAPHICS CARD EVERY 2 YEARS!!!!!!nVIDIa GO FUCK YOURSELF.

[rmatthe5]

There is no need to buy 500 dollars graphics cards to play the latest games.

[ooquis]

Don't mind my comment. I'm going threw a mid-life crisis so i don't really care about fuckoll.

[MultiConsoleGamer]

So what?

If graphics are all that matters to you then play all your games on PC.

[Are_The_MaDNess]

its much more than that to PC gaming.
higher framerates
faster respons time
cleaner and less blurry picture
better digital framework (with steam)
more and better control with a mouse a keyboard
faster digital downloads on steam over PSN and Live
be able to sell gun and gear in steam for real money that you can use for games and other things.

[MultiConsoleGamer]

Mouse Keyboard gameplay is sh**.

Consoles have better exclusives, are cheaper and easier to use with far less hassle. Most of what you said is still related to eye candy.

Now, don't get me wrong, I own a gaming PC too, despite my name. I just think PC elitists are missing out on all the fun.

[ded1020]

As someone that believed what he read on the interwebs about how hassle-free gaming on PC has become and spent $$$ to build a gaming PC, I have to disagree with you.

My PS3 with PS+ trumps my gaming PC so hard it's almost laughable that people suggest Steam is a valid alternative for the majority.

[ded1020]

It's not that my pc couldn't handle it. My point was more about PS+ and the value proposition.

we've seen many articles showing that it's the shithouse bargain PC market that is contracting due to tablets and what not, not the enthusiast market.

(Almost) no studio cares for the enthusiast PC market except for those that get moneyhatted by Nvidia to implement proprietary eye candy.

Diablo 3, Left4Dead, League of Legends, DOTA, etc. That's PC gaming. Please don't act as if every PC game out there is a graphical powerhouse like Crysis or Battlefield.

[DoctorJones]

It's funny how everyone will only talk about the headline but if you read the interview he does make a lot of sense, and he leaves the interview with this, which I think a lot of people would actually agree with -

'That’s great, because if devs are spending all this time optimising for a PS4 or Xbox One, then a good portion of that will benefit the PC, because they’re basically doing PC architecture optimisation. It’s good for everyone – the developers don’t have all these crazy architectures they have to sort through. 80% of their work is now applicable to all platforms. It’s great for gamers, as games can be better on all platforms. And it’s great for PC, as there’s less weird divergence between consoles and PC, which means a lot more leverage for devs to raise the bar. If there were technological reasons that games weren’t ported to the PC in the past, there are a lot less of those reasons come next-gen.'

[Welcome2Die]

I'll take the popularity (more people to play with)
The ease of use.
and the not jumping through hoops to play a multiplat game at 120 fps.
Not to mention the cost. 400 bucks for a console that will last me years to 600-1000 for a rig that will become obsolete in 2 years.

[windblowsagain]

Pc's can always be upgraded, but you still need development in other area's in PC, Namely dx etc.

Alot of pc games also rely on older engines because of older gpu's etc. Brute force is where PC gpu's are at.

Gpucompute wise, PS4 is faster then a GTX680. Because amd are faster in this area even with a 7870 etc.

Shader wise, texture wise. Will be close.

Only area i can see PC looking better is REZ,AA.

Crysis 3 in Places does look Awesome on PC.

But i think regardless. Pick what games suit you the most.

[GamePeace]

Yes, PC will only be better until The Last Guardian, the next Santa Monica IP and Deep Down Comes out for the Ps4... and start to make some sense, my dear nVidia. In my opinion graphics must have a certain Standard and dont Need to be the first Feature to Point at in gaming, gamedesign, artistic direction, gameplay, funfactor and longevity/Support of the games are even more important than some Crysis 3 on max Settings graphics, which Looks dull. The truth is that I havent seen a single game like god of war, shadow of the colossus ecc. on PC or any other console... except for the Emulators, because many PC gamer wish to have them. Starcraft, dont Name me Starcraft, dude. I have played it and the gameplay and artistic Vision was shit...

[Misaka_x_Touma]

another pointless discussion gamers getting so defensive over this stuff

[teo72]

Grapicswise the PC have allways been better than consoles. Gamesalewise the consoles have since PS1 been better on consoles than on PCs.

Conclusion: TopTearGraphics don't matter as much as Nvidia wants us to believe. They just doing damagecontrol... Remember guys, they don't make GPU's for either the PS4 nor the XBOX ONE. Just saying...

[annus]

You don't even have proof of sales since the digital sales from steam (which are most sales) aren't even available to the public.

Diablo 3 sold 6.5 million in it's first week, to date Last of Us is at 3.2 million sales TOTAL.

World of Warcraft, which has gone downhill massivly, still has over 7 million people paying MONTHLY.

And including in all games that sell on PC, it makes more money compared to the consoles overall.

[Krosis]

Every time a console fan says something smart, three more console fans say something moronic....poetic.

The PS4 is NOT comparable to a "high end rig". NOT even close. Yes it is you say?

Consider this: The GPU, nevermind the other parts, in a "high end rig" is worth more than the PS4 and Xbox One combined. There is a good reason games do not come with graphics settings on consoles.

High end rigs ARE a minority--but don't go comparing a console to a computer; it's pathetic.

These idiotic articles are approved simply for hits--and i feel ashamed replying really. Any one who thinks a console is comparable to a high end PC is a moron--truth.

[ded1020]

This is what Timothy Lottes (Epic Games) said about PS4:

" The real reason to get excited about a PS4 is what Sony as a company does with the OS and system libraries as a platform, and what this enables 1st party studios to do, when they make PS4-only games. If PS4 has a real-time OS, with a libGCM style low level access to the GPU, then the PS4 1st party games will be years ahead of the PC simply because it opens up what is possible on the GPU. Note this won't happen right away on launch, but once developers tool up for the platform, this will be the case. As a PC guy who knows hardware to the metal, I spend most of my days in frustration knowing damn well what I could do with the hardware, but what I cannot do because Microsoft and IHVs wont provide low-level GPU access in PC APIs. One simple example, drawcalls on PC have easily 10x to 100x the overhead of a console with a libGCM style API....

I could continue here, but I'm not, by now you get the picture, launch titles will likely be DX11 ports, so perhaps not much better than what could be done on PC. However if Sony provides the real-time OS with libGCM v2 for GCN, one or two years out, 1st party devs and Sony's internal teams like the ICE team, will have had long enough to build up tech to really leverage the platform.

I'm excited for what this platform will provide for PS4-only 1st party titles and developers who still have the balls to do a non-portable game this next round.... "

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

[Return_of_the_Mack]

if we just stick to the PS4 which is the Gamers Console of choice then inside it is a SHED load of stuff that is simply not available now on a PC.

Unified GDDR5
hUMA ChipSet
48 ACE compute units allowing huge anount of asyncrous GPGPU work without affecting Render
A HUGE Bandwidth across both CPU and GPU that a PC just does not have (PCIe 3.0 still only hits 16GB/s T)
8 Core APU

As before there is alot more in these machines that will change the way programmers have to use the hardware and what they can achieve, the rumour about them being more PC like is simply that, x86 or not they are hugely different beasts to a PC and as before it is apples and oranges.

Shear Horsepower a PC can and will win, but that does mean that the games are better on it, and if Console games start using 64-bit for games and all 6 cores and the hUMA snooping the efficiency's (And Bandwidth advantages) they have will see a huge increase in the performance, if they start maxing out the 20Gb/s BandWidth between the CPU and GPU on compute work, even though a PC CPU would destroy it (Without even knowing what the IPC is on these chips within the consoles yet) it will still be throttled by the PCIe and then this means a compromise or shear power again to try and fix.

This Gen like the one before and the one before that will make a huge difference and when it comes to games Console's are still the lead platform and innovators..the industry will change again from this and PC will follow behind and then in a few years end up with the same games running @4k for £0000's same old samo!

[Sh0ckWav3]

news flash .. pc games has better graphics then consoles...in other news consoles are cheaper then pc's...here at news at 10!

[TomahawkX]

Lets argue some more people, Ya'll have to prove your points because in the end it will cure cancer, and stop world hunger... come on you can do it, bring on the specs and facts and research. It matters, it really does, you are making a difference!

[Malice-Flare]

well, if you weren't as greedy as your colors are, nVidia, maybe you would be in the console business for a lot longer...

first shafting MS on price, and then delivering an under-powered part for Sony, who would want you as a business partner...

[BOLO]

I concur.

[Dogswithguns]

Consoles get better games without super graphics.. all I care.

[pennywhyz]

The only people who should have something to say in this article are the people who own both.

[jcnba28]

Look at the ps4 fanboys saying graphics don't matter lol

But when the article is about Xbone or wii u they have no problems talking about superior graphics.

[sephiroth420]

im sure thats always been the case, i cant think of any exceptions to the point.

[Vanfernal]

Nvidia just seem so butthurt because they are not getting any action next console generation that they are starting to sound like Crytek. Bla bla bla graphics. Graphics are important but they are not the most important aspect of a game by a long shot besides it's not like next gen consoles have bad graphics by any means. Also there is one aspect where consoles have the edge, optimization. Games on consoles pretty much run the same for everyone with a console, ensuring the same experience for all users (admittedly if the game runs like crap it will for everyone). Pc s have a million different rigs with different specs, bottlenecks etc. Sometimes you just get unlucky with what you have. I have a gaming rig that runs Tomb Raider, Arkham City and Bioshock Infinite and Metro on max settings smoothly but can't get Borderlands 2 to stay above 20 fps in a gun fight. When all is said and done graphics are nice, but I will trade them for optimized performance any day

[Einhert]

For all those people that say PC has no good games I laugh at you the most.

And this isn't even mentioning the classic PC games like Half life 2 which is still more than playable today as with the entire library of PC games past to present.

Total War series
Arma series & its respective mods
Amnesia Series
Outlast
Chivalry
Natural Selection II
Rising Storm
Tropico series
Civ 5
Sins of a solar empire
Wargame series
Dota 2
Firefall
Hawken
Mechwarrior Online
Path of Exile
Smite
Guild Wars 2
Warface
planetary annihilation

http://uk.ign.com/articles/...

This hillside grazer mentality of gaming culture that a lot of people have on this site refusing to go out and look for good games themselves, instead rely on advertising and reviews to do all the searching for them.

One good thing is Sony have finally copped on to the fact there is some fantastic games in the PC indie market like War Thunder, Primal Carnage etc that they have snapped up for the PS4.

And just for the record nivida talk a load of crap to sell their cards. Take that from a primary PC gamer.

[PCpower]

You know what I find ironic is that Nvidia is all about their $1000 Titan GPU being the best, but in the next few hours with AMD's launch event in Hawaii, it is going to get defeated by a new GPU by AMD called the R9-290X that they promise will not cost more than $600. Talk about the irony of this situation. So, they lost the console contracts to AMD and now they are about to get owned in price and performance when AMD releases this new top end card for the PC.

http://www.extremetech.com/...

Can you say OWNED??

[Coach_McGuirk]

and it only took AMD 7 months to release a comparable product..

[oIITSBIIo]

Never been and never will .

[LordDhampire]

nvidia just needs to stop, they are just making me think of them of the new Microsoft, just to cocky

[sync90]

I'm sick of Nvidia bad mouthing next gen consoles because they lost out to AMD. There almost as bad as the pc fanboys.

[Psychotica]

This only matters for those still relying on mom & dad to buy stuff for them. Most PC gamers I know own at least one of the consoles as well.

[leahcim]

ok, but the best games will be ever just on consoles, TLOU, UNCHARTED, HALO´S, FINAL FANTASY´S (NOT MMO´S).

[MrZkaar]

A £400 console is not going to compete with a £2,000 PC on graphics, any idiot knows that.

But Console's are leading the games industry and will always have more AAA games than PC. They may be different types of games, but there great games and with some fantastic stories that PC just doesn't have.

Consoles are economical, convenient and a lot of fun to own without the stress of maintenance PC requires.

Frankly, the PC needs the console industry more than console's need the PC community. PC's will be getting a lot more games this generation now that consoles are on AMD architecture.

[Lulz_Boat]

yep, that's why killzone shadow fall look better than crysis 3 @max setting

[givemeshelter]

I think this article is pure flamebait and should never have been approved. It's always stupid to compare consoles to PC's in this regards because one system is open and one is closed.
Now saying that. Killzone Shadow Fall does not look better graphic wise then Crysis 3 on max settings on a high end PC. It simply does not. You are simply making up a false statement. Now gameplay wise? That's a different ball game.

[Lulz_Boat]

are you kidding me? c'mon! killzone look almost as good as crysis 3, you can't deny that.

http://media.edge-online.co...

http://www.everyeye.it/publ... and i can post TONS OF these pics.

[Flames76]

Sorry Nvidia i know your feelings are hurt because consoles dropped you guys like a bad habit.Hey they went with the best Ati so stop your crying.

[kevlar1981]

pc's have always had the edge,its the perk of upgradability,not to mention the many different setups you can achieve with a gaming pc over a console.i personally have a 5760x1080 res triple screen setup which i love,many gamers hate it but the wider field of view adds another sense of immersion for me,and no matter where you stand on the gameplay/graphics debate,immersion is always important in a game.i can run most recent titles at a respectable fps 30-60 in this resolution on a single gtx780 card so im happy,plus with consoles now using similar pc architecture us pc users can expect a lot more cross platform ports on the horizon...the futures looking gravy

[FAT MAN GO BOOM]

No Bias at all on this statement eh.... Considering that Nvidia has been locked out of the console market COMPLETELY.

Of course they are going to say something like this because that is the only market they have left right now...

[Coach_McGuirk]

They weren't locked out. They declined.

[givemeshelter]

Nvidia declined. They were not blocked out at all.

[WickedLester]

God bless! I wish Nvidia would stop crowing to the roof tops about this! Guess what? We KNOW that! Guess what? We don't give a shit! They must really be butt hurt over MS and Sony not using their chipsets in the new consoles.

[kurac]

The problem here is that PC gamers are obsessed with technology. Of course PC games can look technically better but what's really important is if it looks artistically better.

I'm not a painter. You can give me the most advanced painting tools in the world and my painting will surely be worthless and much uglier than a painting painted by a skilled painter even if he paints it in common dirt.

[josephayal]

the PS4 will be more powerful than PCs

[Ratty]

Who gives a flying ****.

[DKSP161]

Graphics aren't the only important thing. Crysis 2 is a great looking game...but its shit in every other department.

[kB0]

In terms of raw performance no1 in their right mind can debate than even older gen PCs are still stronger than ps4 and Xbone. The only thing is, there are exclusives and the graphics really don't matter as much as ART direction does.

For example look at Journey, the graphics are really well done, although they still don't compare to lets say Crysis 1 on pc. BUT the art style is unbelievable, and I gaurnatee you the graphics are much more appealing than many games that have better graphics tech.

Also I read that some1 said a ps4 is faster at GPGPU computing than a 680 GTX, that will be debatable, the APUs on the consoles are very gimped when compared to a full blown ATI card or Nvidia card.

:)

[LilTone]

People... There wouldn't be any console games if it wasn't for the powerhouse of those pc platform, everyone seems to forget that.

[Poodlejamas]

Pc covers more than gaming. Pc as a none fixed platform has a lot of advantages. You can mod your games, use your machine as a work station, take control over game options and much more. The choice to upgrade, switch between hardware brands is awesome.
I don't need a super expensive pc to produce 720p at 30fps the same as current consoles lol .
For next consoles, producing 30fps at 1080p in the most demanding games isn't that hard for a 660ti to do the same.

[solid_snake3656]

Whats their to play on PC anyways. All the goods games on PC are on consoles anyway. And don't wanna have to upgrade my PC every few years just to have prettier graphics.

[FanOfRootBeer]

This is the part where PC gamers pretend that because PC R&D will improve architecture while consoles remain stagnant, every PC gamer ever updates their hardware monthly.

PC, as a platform, is more powerful than consoles. PCs—the machines people actually own—are generally on par and cost considerably more. But they do more than game, so it's worth it.

(Obligatory preemptive fanboy defense: I game on my PS3 and $1600 PC ... and like six other systems, but that's not important.)

[AceBlazer13]

im pretty sure sony and micro could easily build a powerful console and just slap a justifiable $1000 dollar price on it. but they won't cause ppl would not buy it. the point of a console is value for your dollar.thats why the majority of gamers are here and not on pc

[LanceLegstrong]

Like a bunch of kids throwing sand arguing over whose dad could beat up who, once again the answer is who the hell cares. Real life has better graphics than any of your rigs or consoles! Try it sometimes. The porn is better on it too.

[sarshelyam]

I absolutely hate it when the PC Gamer cites Crysis this, or Crysis that. Look, I won't argue that Crysis maxed out on PC looks fantastic and, often, serves as a benchmark for performance. That said, Crytek created an amazing engine...they created an amazing tech demo...they thought they could create an amazing game series built on this engine, but you know what? Crysis, as a series, remains one of the most shallow and uninspired games I have ever played. I'll take an inferior looking game with superior gameplay any day of the week. Do some homework and pick a title that bolsters your argument outside of "OUR GAMES LOOK THE BEST", because gameplay carries the product, and Crysis falls flat.

Also, this Nvidia guy needs to shut his trap. Who cares? Are we selling a Ferrari here with Pinto parts? It just seems to me that the message is only about how a game looks, and that's really not the most important part of a game...at least to me. I imagine plenty feel the same way as I do, but this guy sounds like a complete tool.

[Chrischi1988]

PC will always be superior in any way. Best ways of input, almost all games that are worth mentioning, best graphics (highest resolution) and so on. I get that statement, that PCs cost more, but if you count in the price point of a game, which almost at all times is less on a PC, then a PC actually aint way more expensive, as most would like it to be. A good PC is a help in much more ways, than just gaming, that is the next thing, why you cannot count the whole price of PC for solely gaming. You can use it for anything a Computer is capable of. Mostly the CPU is not the problem for gaming, it is more the GPU. So actually a PC in terms of cost aint that much more expensive, but delivers better. FPS with Keyboard + Mouse are way better than with a Controller and nobody can deny that. I mean, I know, some will deny it, but that is really delusional. BF4 on PS4 cant even run at 1080p, I guess I dont have to say more. I know some will be angry about what I just said, but is it really what I just said, what made you angry, or that you know it is the truth and dont want it to be? Consoles are missing out in the whole genre of strategic games, not tactic, strategic, like Command and Conquer or Starcraft and that are big players, unlike all console fans always mentioning THE LAST OF US or something like that...

[JuniorCE]

Honestly, Nvidia is just feeling really jealous because AMD taking Sony and Microsoft instead of them... Otherwise, they wouldn't say that!

[SegaGamer]

You know what ? i don't even care, it's gameplay that makes a game, everything else comes second to that.

[Tzuno]

in fact the consoles copy the Pc and the single thing that differ between them are the exclusives. Without them who the hell will buy a console for what?

[Garrison]

Here comes the never-ending PC vs Consoles debate. Listen, I got a very nice PC, plays anything I want on it so far, I love PC gaming.
PC's will always be more powerful than consoles. There is no denying that. What people must understand is that the fact that the graphics look better does not necessarily mean that it's the best place for you to play. And in the end graphics will make or break a game to you only if you are a graphics junkie.

I love my consoles, I think the new PS4 provides the best value out of any gaming equipment out there and I am getting one. It's where I will game on mostly hopefully. I don't upgrade my pc unless I absolutely have to either.
I know PC gamers who love games, same as I know PC gamers who love graphics. There are a lot of them who go from game to game adjusting settings and checking hardware like crazy and don't even finish any of their games.

Too many people think that one system is going to give you everything you could ever want and try to downplay others with useless chatter about it.
Until someone makes a system that is portable, has every connection out there, plays every game in max setting, has lower power consumption, low noise, has every exclusive in existence, can be modded, has every type of controls possible and can feed you lunch then you guys let me know about it.

[_LarZen_]

PC have the edge on pure power, but I am in it for the games. And consoles have hands down the best games.

[Lionalliance]

What's with this guy and his hate for consoles?

[D3athc3ll]

I like pie...

[aLiEnViSiToR]

That’s great, because if devs are spending all this time optimizing for a PS4 or Xbox One, then a good portion of that will benefit the PC, because they’re basically doing "PC architecture optimization. It’s good for everyone – the developers don’t have all these crazy architectures they have to sort through. 80% of their work is now applicable to all platforms. It’s great for gamers, as games can be better on all platforms. And it’s great for PC, as there’s less weird divergence between consoles and PC, which means a lot more leverage for devs to raise the bar. If there were technological reasons that games weren’t ported to the PC in the past, there are a lot less of those reasons come next-gen." this was all i was hoping for... NO MORE BAD PORTS, and make games for all platforms(yes less exclusives would be better but consoles must sell too).

LONG LIVE GAMES :D

[DynDasE]

Ah !
It's the same old Nvidia, who never concern about price point.

[shoestring]

Nvidia's butthurt knows no bounds.

AMD, PS4, Xbone are laughing all the way to the bank.

[PS4FEVER]

All you pc folk get is seome higher res and textures. You find alot more better looking game son consoles because of attention to detail and art design. Nothing on pc looks better than uncharted2/3,gowa, tlou, etc. I can only imagine uncharted 4 shitting over anything pc has, hell killsone shadow looks better than any pc game.

[ArtificiallyYours]

Okay what news is this, I can only pick up mindless bragging. We need about hundred more articles saying what PC's have over consoles.

[GentlemenRUs]

Nvidia is only saying this because they could not get any gpu made by them for the consoles!

I think they butthurt!

[Galaxy_Legend]

**apply cold water to burned area**

[GraveLord]

"Nvidia boss: “No longer possible” for consoles to have better graphics than $2000 PCs"

FIXED.

Compare a $400 PC to a PS4, PS4 blows it out of the water.

[DomceM]

stop typing when you dont understand hardware or hardware cost. The prices you quote are batshit insane, and you certainly dont need that much money to build a rig.

But you already knew that. You insist on typing this to validate your decision of buying closed and inferior systems. Good for you.

Also, keep ignoring the fact that now every console aside the Wii requires 50$ or more per year for online play, and each game is 10$ more than PC counterpart.

PC gamer is not only superior, its cheaper. Something that people who have not passed 2nd grade math class will never understand.

Peace

Better 1000$ pc that plays games maxed out, than a $1200 PS4 or Xbox one that plays low-medium.

[cunnilumpkin]

a $150 gpu CRAPS on xbox1/ps4

[aquamala]

Nvidia getting so much hate for stating the obvious

next gen consoles are finally matching mid range gaming PCs, but it's surely not surpassing them.

[VTKC]

well no shit Sherlock! It never was about graphics between PC and consoles! If it ever was then the consoles would of died when the dinosaurs went extinct! Not everyone is going to buy a PC just to play your oh so pretty video game as not everyone can afford it with these pcs being out of date in a matter of months. NOt everyone is going to know how to upgrade in messing about with hardware. Looking for patches and updates. yes the console games have those but they are DONE for you when the next time you turn the flipping thing on.

[Dante81]

The console secret sauce can is empty.

[curtis92]

man these guys are super bitter that they passed up the chance to use their stuff in PS4/XB1. All they do is bash consoles now.

[DomceM]

list something they stated that isnt true.

[BallsEye]

Woah really? Anyway, got beefed up PC, but I mainly play on consoles. Graphics is not everything.

[Dynasty2021]

To me, the PC vs Console COST is not an argument at all.

Firstly, MS and Sony sell each console at a loss.

So a £1300 fantastic gaming PC, capable of running everything on max settings at HIGHER than 1080p, is enough to put anyone off, right?

The consoles are running like a roughly £800 PC. A mid-ranged gaming PC capable of mid-high graphics at 1080p.

Sony sells the PS4 at a loss.

Battlefield 4 IS NOT RUNNING AT 1080P ON THE CONSOLES.

BF4 is CONFIRMED BY DICE, to be running at 720p on a mixture of medium and high settings.

The reality is, the £400 console is ACTUALLY around £800, they just sell it for less.

AND, EVERY game you buy as a console owner is £10 more than the PC version, so after 10 games, you've already LOST £100, so you're pushing £1000 already in terms of hardware + games.

Sony sells at a loss and makes the money back in sales of games at a higher price. Games that are MADE on PCs.

[Allowen]

A high end Pc can have the best hardware but they lack AAA exclusive games that pushes the hardware to its limits.
The last, AAA I remember... Was Crysis 1.

The best gaming developers are either multi plataform or console exclusive.

Maybe if Nvidia could make some AAA games and launch then every year to make use of their Titan gpu, then I could think about using my pc as my only gaming plataform.

Laterz Nvidia!
My next gpu will be from AMD.

[webeblazing]

arma3
metro LL

[Deltaguy]

I will never give up console exclusive games for 3rd party mediocre games just because it looks prettier...When PC get exclusive games that are big budget in the vain of uncharted, halo, gears, god of war etc...then we can talk until then unless you really love MMOs pc gaming is crazy bland.

[FlyingFoxy]

Well the good news is that AMD are actually trying to fix micro stutter for their multi gpu setups, they have reduced frame latency a lot already. So makes Crossfire viable if you want 2560x resolution and high framerates, since 2 mid range AMD cards are usually quite cheaper than Nvidias and would be powerful.

for 1080P 1 mid/high end card should be fine for nearly all games to get 60+fps, i am glad AMD are fixing micro stutter and getting nearer the level of Nvidia though.

For me PC is about versatility, you can edit videos, make animations, plug it into your TV, no online subscription costs, usually better fps performance, cheaper games.

4 yrs of online sub on consoles + price of PS4 at launch and 5 games would cost you the price of a mid range gaming PC, games are always at least £10 cheaper on PC, thats £50 saved, cost of subs would put near £200.. thats £600 that you can build a decent tower unit with.

[BattleTorn]

"PC can never match the experience of consoles"
- says console manufacture

Always consider the source!

[Luke_fon_Fabre]

Obviously, but I don't exactly play games for the good graphics.

[Godlovesgamers]

"Nvidia boss: “No longer possible” for consoles to have better graphics than PC, "I'm still really bitter about not being in the console game this gen".

[cunnilumpkin]

why would he be bitter?

sony begged NVidia to be in the ps4, NVidia gave a price, sony countered and NVidia told sony to get bent

the ps4 and xbox1 will be LUCKY to sell 50 million units each next gen in 8 years

that's 100 million units, or 100 million gpus in 8 years

NVidia sells that many chips in 1 year!

and the console chips are crappy mobile gpus that do not have a high mark-up to begin with, and sony and ms are CHEAP AS HELL and want to pay next to nothing for them

NVidia as a company is worth WAY more than amd, just check stock prices

I think they know what they are doing

also, everything he is saying is absolutely true

ps4 and xbox1 are not even close to a 3 year old mid-spec pc

a 560ti craps on both xbox1 and ps4 and you can pick one of those up for like $120

[Godlovesgamers]

Wow buddy, I think youre taking this a little too seriously.

[xc7x]

better graphics don't make for better gaming experience,consoles win on that most every way. however NOT saying pc's aren't fun with games but aren't optimized for soley gaming like consoles primarily are,just saying...back off jer..I mean elitists,not talking to those who buy 5 thousand dollar pc's and all accessories,just regular peeps.

[Hakoom]

naughty dog already proved and showed how a console game looks beter than pc..
pc is more powerful because u keep upgrading it
but the games dont look that good even with those upgrades
whats the point of buying a 2000horse power car when you dont know how to use it

[SnakeCQC]

You could always rely on nvidia for the butt hurt comments

[lunatic0001]

damn...there sure are a lot of graphics whores in these forums...what ever happened to just being entertained by a game and having fun....i guess those days are gone...

[NoSuchSol]

Nvidia commenting on this holds no bearing on the quality of games on the console and the PC. I think there's just acting hurt since both of the new consoles use AMD products.

Began life as a console player with the NES, but quickly added the PC into the mix. The consoles will always be cheaper and there are sacrifices when you're worried about attachment rate. More people are going to be able to afford 300-400.00 than they will 1000-1500.00. Ultimately, it's not about the game being as pretty as possible. People have mentioned the lackluster game, but beautiful Crysis. Think about FF XII - great looking game but not well received.

(Sunk more hours into FTL and Civ than any other recently released games)

[Bonerboy]

News flash! PFFT. Im sure the consoles will look great but this isn't 'news' to anyone with half a brain. Apples to oranges.

[InTheZoneAC]

in reply to the quote in the title of this article...

And?

News flash, unless SCEA dies off PC gamers can never have my favorite games on their system...

Why? It just isn't possible when they're owned by Sony...

And why does Nvidia insist on crying every other day about a console?

[Goro]

I wouldn't say "impossible"...Who knows what new technologies may be discovered over the next 10-20 years.
When you think things can't get any more advanced, they usually still do

[IcyEyes]

Let me say this straight : you guys, most of you, doesn't understand *nothing* about PC, consoles and market and that because there are too many 14yo all around.

Be happy to swim in this sea of ignorance.

[TKCMuzzer]

Ignorance works both ways, you are right about that, I think many forget why they game in the first place.

[TKCMuzzer]

When did this become a graphics contest. If you want to upgrade your PC every two years so you can Max out Battlefield then knock yourself out, the fact is some of the best game developers don't make games for the PC and yes I said games, not the best looking games. I would hate to be obsessed with having to update my PC just so I could constantly go on about it on gaming websites.
Battlefield 4 will look better on a high PC but it will be the same game on PS4 and Xbox one, same modes, destruction and the same amount of players. The only difference is that every console owner will get the same experience as each other.
PC may have better graphics but at the end of the day when I get home from work I just want to sit on my couch and relax and what ever PC owners may say a console offers a far better pick up and play social experience and after all that's what many want.
Getting bored of these 'graphics are better on PC' articles

[webeblazing]

huh this the first one I seen. Ooooo you mean the gfx is better on ps4 articles. yeah that, it do get old how ps fanboy rag on xbox and wii fans for a extra few fps

[cell989]

I just think youre a jackass if youre willing to spend $700 just on a GPU, and another $400 on a CPU, just to play a forsaken game on "MAX SETTINGS". Only to have to replace everything in 1 year to achieve MAX SETTINGS all over again. You buy a console, youre guaranteed good gaming for atleast 5 years at a much lesser expense, period.

[Mithan]

Stupid thread. The Consoles can never match a PC graphically.

Ever, period.

Disagree? It doesn't matter, the facts speak for themselves. Look at the GAMES. Duh.

[fsfsxii]

Its all about the gamezzzzzzzzzzzzzz.... oh its too late

[CoryHG]

I bet if these consoles had nvidia chipsets in them, it would be a different tone.

[jairusmonillas]

AMD video cards are going to smoko NVIDIA.

[john2]

"Around the time of the PS2 is when 3D really started coming to the PC"

3DFX says hi. Delivering 3D accelerated graphics since the days of Playstation 1 :P

[megamanX2]

"It’s no longer possible for a console to be a better or more capable graphics platform than the PC."

it never was better lol.

"Just leave it to Naughty Dog to show you that games on PS4 can look prettier then any PC game"

star citizen says hi.

[kendoggx]

Guess they are a little mad about the AMD Console deals:P

Nvidia Trolling

[SynestheticRoar]

I understand it took 2,000 dollars to pimp my PC rig. The small amount of 399 their going to get real close. If you want the best exclusives. PS4 is the way to go period. Nvidia still butt hurt because they miss the ride.

[potedude]

I play on an i5 with 4gb of ram (laptop) and it struggles with Civ 4 mods. I steam Civ 5 and it is very slow there too. It cost $1100 to buy.

I have to say most of my games look much better on my PS3 which has 256 mb of ram. Smaller amount but optimized and running better.

But having said that, we need PC nerds or otherwise consoles wouldn't develop at the speed they do...

[DomceM]

thats your own fault for trying to buy a laptop for gaming. Everyone knows those 2 dont mix unless you want to spend a ton of money and have mediocre performance.

You need a desktop, and a balanced system in terms of components. Good cpu, and good ram, with bad gpu, will not give you a good experience.

My brother has an $800 desktop with dual 6850s that can play anything you throw at it, with no problem. Thats the case b/c it was built with research and logic... not bought randomly from a company who is only out to get your money.

[potedude]

Yeah but I also have to use my laptop for work and so-forth, it is built for doing things other than gaming.

Just buying a gaming PC is a waste of money IMO

[DomceM]

depends on the person. if u do all ur work at home, then u can buy the gaming pc and do the work on that. i do it that way.

if you need it portable then laptop makes more sense. either way, id still build a separate rig for that. Ive owned at 2 gaming laptops in the past... just got tired of playing on medium settings for huge cost. its just not worth it.

[Wranglersofttop]

Pc isn't accessible enough for me.. I don't want to spend a lot of money on a shiny graphics card. Console comes already made. That's enough for me to not give a fuck about better graphics.

[ATi_Elite]

Oh brother here we go with this CRAP again! The old PC vs. console crap to score web hits!

I game on the PC because I like PC Exclusives, Mods, and having total control over my gaming experience and that's it!

If Arma 3, DotA2, X-rebirth, Amnesia, Total War, etc. were on a console and I could upgrade my console to my level of POWER then I would have a console. (maybe)

But Consoles do NOT have bleeding edge tech, you can't customize them, and they do not have the games I like to play so the PC is where I game because these things are IMPORTANT to ME!

No time for this CRAP console vs. PC flaimbait.

[DomceM]

perfect time for it. we can rub the snouts of those swines in their own filth.

Ahh im starting to quite amnesia.... goodnight n4g time for bed.

[Killman]

Dear Nvidia boss: No sane gamer gives a f*ck.

[blakstarz]

I think these guys are still sore about Sony and MS not choosing them for the next gen consoles.

[TooTall19]

I've had my PC for over a year now, and I don't regret it one bit. In my opinion it's much better than the PS3. I'll take Company of Heroes 2 and Planetside 2 over Last of Us and GTA V. I only want a PS4 for a few games (Killzone), but PC will be my main gaming platform from now on.

[NeXXXuS]

Am I one of the only people left that actually prefers to play games just to enjoy them and not for the sake of graphics? I still play PS1 games and prefer them highly over PC and next gen systems.

[punisher99]

I love how PC elitist always talk about HD resolutions and frame rates as if those are graphics. lol

[OmegaShen]

First off, they are just butt hurt because no one pick them because they were overprice.

Truth is PC has better graphics most of the time, thing is that is up to developers to do. Which most developers pick console over PC do to the number of people on them and how big there sales will be.

Look at GTA5, I think it says it all for consoles and graphics isn't everything. I play awesome looking games, but they played like $h!t. I think thats why there is a guy called the "Angry Video Game Nerd".

Heck PC users use to be able to talk about how MMO's are only on PC and look whats coming to next gen like crazy.

[deecee33]

I own both a PS3 and a gaming PC that cost under $600 and are hooked up to the same 720p HDTV. I don't understand the argument that "for the price of a console, you can't get a PC that will perform on par with next gen consoles". I think this is false- most people are probably going to spend on the order of $600-650 when they go get their PS4 or XB1 at launch, and my gaming machine runs BF3 with everything on ultra at over 100 fps average using an HD7870 and 8GB of RAM which is roughly equivalent to the setup both next gen consoles use. I really have no doubts it'll run BF4 with most everything maxed at 720p and no dips below 60fps.

So, I basically have the equivalent of a next gen console in that PC, and I didn't pay even $1000 for it like some people here are claiming it would take to match next gen console graphics. The Nvidia interview is spot on- I love my consoles and will probably be getting a PS4 for certain exclusives, but to say that consoles will outpace even a sub $800 gaming pc these days is not really the truth. The only thing that sets the console apart is it's ease of use, and frankly that's a huge selling point even for some of the PC gaming crowd.

[AceBlazer13]

Until sony and micro come and tell you give them something better.Face it the consoles control the pace of this market.Pc is nothing more than a Ferrari in traffic.