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Shuhei Yoshida: Phones Have Hurt Handheld Market “Quite Badly”,

As we found out today, Sony underestimated the amount of attention that the PlayStation Vita TV would be getting from gamers in the West, and they are “of course” thinking of launching it in the US and Europe.

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Snookies123860d ago

That's exactly why I refuse to play/buy any phone games whatsoever. I fully support handheld gaming.

iamnsuperman3860d ago (Edited 3860d ago )

Well by doing that you are not supporting any new developer trying to make it. Mobile gaming is now the first step. You need recognition to really succeed on consoles and mobiles (of course as well as PC) can do that.

I also think it is a natural progression. Mobile gaming is the next step for handheld gaming. Handheld devices just cost too much. It is far easier and cheaper to get a phone on contract and game that way. Mobile phones are not quite there yet but with online game streaming services and tech in smart phones improving it wont be long till we see it replacing handheld devices (natural evolution/progression that is hard to ignore)

abzdine3860d ago (Edited 3860d ago )

i hate playing on phones or tablets, those games are for retards..
make burgers, angry birds.. this is the low end of entertainment (not gaming) for me.
EDIT: And that's also why Sony have to focus on hardcore gamers cause those gamers don't change the way they are playing games..

Vitalogy3860d ago

"Mobile gaming is now the first step"

I believe that the first step is being commited, have a good plan, clear presentation to publishers of what your plan is and do your job well, not releasing €1~€2 crappy games for mobiles to get a freeway to handheld.

NYC_Gamer3860d ago

Why skip over a quality mobile game just because of some loyalty to handhelds?

Vitalogy3860d ago

I'm sure I see ovni's more often than quality mobile games.

Insomnia_843860d ago (Edited 3860d ago )

LOL

Seriously, I actually bought two mobile games to try after a friend told me about them, Modern Combat 4 and Asphalt 8. While this games are entertaining the controls ruin the whole experience! Nothing tops two joysticks and buttons, NOTHING! And even Total Recoil on the Playstation Vita is much much better than on phones, I have this game and after many hours of playing(kind of addictive game btw) I looked for it in the app store, I downloaded it to compare and ..NO! JUST NO! Even Total Recoil with such simple controls is way better on the Vita, controller inputs and graphics.

I'm 23hr 38mns into Killzone Mercenary and that portable experience cannot be achieved in any other handheld on the market, the whole gaming experience on PSV is unique. I wish more games follow KZ principles, true console gaming wherever you go.

Seriuosly, Angry Birds? Temple Run? Subway Surfers? EFFING CANDY CRUSH???? ...NO.

nukeitall3860d ago

I said PS Vita was pretty much doomed when announced, and time has consistently proven that.

Young children usually do not carry a smartphone, hence the 3DS makes sense. However, the older crowd carries a smart phone, and that has games, and a lot of other things to dominate their time.

As such, PS Vita is a bad value proposition, especially at that cost and the poor selection of games.

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ABeastNamedTariq3860d ago

It's like...$30 (?) more than the 3DS now. And it has a wide array of games, with even more to come. Certainly not a bad value proposition to me. Especially with the features it offers, one of which being remote play (HUGE for me). It's like carrying a PS4 in your pocket.

MASTER_RAIDEN3860d ago

dude just stop. the ps vitas struggles have nothing to do with a what youre saying. it only really struggles because it started out at a very high price point and didnt have as much quality software as the (already year old) 3ds had at the time. it has nothing to do with the vitas lack of a proper audience.

you supposedly foretold that the vita would struggle and gave a finite list of reasons. while the vita is in fact struggling, your reasons are way off. you didnt call anything.

MadMen3860d ago

Snookies, thats nice and all , but you will lose that war.

Its inevitable, we as gamers, average or Hardcore are vastly out numbered by the reg joe, who will buy games on their phone and not invest in handhelds and consoles.

Thats Life

s45gr323859d ago

I don't know the 3DS has a large library similar to that of a smartphone gaming library ; whereas, the vita is the only mobile device to offer console like gaming on the go. Sadly console like gaming does not work for people on the go. Besides smartphone gaming offers more than angry birds and candy crush here is a few games worth your while :

Contra revolution
Final Fantasy dimensions
Asphalt franchise

Lots and lots of emulators for the n64, nes, snes, and even ps one.

3-4-53859d ago

Water always finds it's level.

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nick3093860d ago

They need to do a ps vita phone, that will appeal to casual markets. They will need to change the prices of vita games to appeal to casual markets.

s45gr323859d ago

That is exactly what everyone expect the vita to do from the start. So your statement is on point pretty much you nail it on the head.

TheDivine3859d ago

That and they need to allow more mobile games on vita. There's a ton of amazing mobile games, most are bad due to lack of buttons which would be amazing on vita. It would bolster the library overnight. Dues Ex The Fall, Modern Combat, Nova 3, Bastion, Kotor, exc. The two markets shouldn't segmented into mobile and handheld but merge. Yes handheld games are generally better but there's still good mobile games that would be great as appropriately priced psn titles.

Full 40 dollar console like games and smaller dd games.

telekineticmantis3860d ago

you should of made vita into a phone.

Chrono3860d ago

They did make Xperia Play, but it didn't solve the problem.

telekineticmantis3859d ago

Xperia play and Vita are two different products. The Vita is essentially the PSP2, PSP sold over 60 million units, more than any Sony phone. The name recognition alone is what sells Vita, then the capabilities of a Next Gen handheld. The point is Sony has to recognize who their audience is, they are selling to a mch more mature audience than the 3DS, which means Nintendo can use little gimmicks to sell their handheld, Sony has to comply to the needs of a mature audience, which means social aspects. Therefore it has to replace the devices they already use for social purposes=Cell phones. To spell it out, it had to be a phone plus next gen game machine in order to outdue the Iphone/Galaxy/Etc.

s45gr323859d ago

That is due to the fact that the xperia play only allowed the user to play ps one games not psp games or vita games. If Sony would of transfer and continue to supply games like vita style games market it for the xperia play; Sony would of been profiting and taken control of the mobile market not only besting Nintendo but also besting it's smartphone competition.

jcnba283860d ago

They already tried that with the Xperia Play and it failed.

s45gr323859d ago

It failed due to lack of games and marketing campaign. Just the ability to play ps one games did not help the xperia play at all plus poor marketing does not help either.

cero553860d ago

3ds proves this theory wrong,its just that the vita got off to a bad start.

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Building Final Fantasy XVI with Producer Naoki Yoshida | AIAS Game Maker's Notebook Podcast

Shuhei Yoshida chats with FINAL FANTASY XVI Producer Naoki Yoshida.

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PS5 Exec Doesn't Want To See Gaming's Future Dominated By Live-Service Games: "Boring"

PlayStation boss Shuehei Yoshida wants the gaming industry to continue to chase its creative dreams.

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Obscure_Observer352d ago

"Got that one right, Shu!"

Kind of ironic when Sony is focused on GaaS like never before.

Flakegriffin352d ago (Edited 352d ago )

Companies evolve overtime. Sony has implemented themselves in the single player space relatively well. Now they can expand further by doing more all while still giving us single player experiences. Obviously Shu is speaking on GaaS games being the main dominance of the gaming space and if that’s the future then that indeed sucks.

You can have that mindset all while still creating some GaaS titles.

InUrFoxHole352d ago

They have 10 in the works right now.

Crows90352d ago

Absolutely! Man all the freaking gaas games theyve been releasing...wait. Not a single one.

sinspirit352d ago

Did you read? It says "dominated". That word means something.

RedDevils352d ago

They don't want to be Blockbuster, too stubborn to adapt with time.

tagzskie352d ago

kinda ironic when it comes to xbox you xboys can even defeat einstein in explation why its good, when it comes to ps you guys became dumb and dumber..

FinalFantasyFanatic352d ago

How so? They're only after one or two good GaaS games, they're throwing crap at the wall until something sticks, alot of those games in development are going to languish and die shortly after release. They're still predominately focused on their core strategy of great single player games (look at the previous interview where they admit they cancel alot of games).

Bathyj352d ago

God why do Xbox gamers always love the thought of PlayStation being as crappy as Xbox.?

DarXyde352d ago

"Like never before" regarding GaaS is like saying "PS3 is a console that launched with HDD space like never before": it's a very low bar to clear because there isn't much precedent.

I happen to agree with Shu here. I don't think being a GaaS title is a scarlet letter, but I can't think of any live service games that have been great at launch either. Naughty Dog is looking likely break that trend. I'd say two love service titles at a time is the sweet spot. I suspect people can only deal with a limited number of live service games contemporaneously.

TheCaptainKuchiki351d ago (Edited 351d ago )

Lmaooo
People always criticize Sony because 90% of their exclusives are single player games. People say they are too expensive because of low replay value.
And you wanna pretend like Sony is focusing on Gaas? Their biggest games aren't Gaas unlike MICROSOFT.

ModsDoBetter351d ago (Edited 351d ago )

How are Sony focused on GaaS?

They own Bungie and have Destiny but the majority of their titles are far from GaaS.

Why, if you are such a die hard Xbot, do you rush to comment on Sony related articles?

1Victor351d ago

@obscure
Are you ok now we was worried about your mental health state when you disappeared for almost a week from bashing PlayStation articles.
Is the word DENIED still triggering you?

I haven’t read the article as my spam blocker always red flags that site and I don’t t want to risk it so a general comment it is 🤦🏿
We all know live services game and quality rarely goes together but some of them are fun to play

derek351d ago (Edited 351d ago )

@Obscure, Sony is starting from a place of zero which requires a big initial investment to establish themselves in the live services market.

Vengeance1138351d ago

It's very much the opposite, Shu said this damn well knowing Sony is going hard on GaaS. This is Shu confirming that Single player games won't be effected at all despite them going into Live service.

Extermin8or3_351d ago

Except they aren't really- they have what may be a live service game from Haven studios and firewalk studios, they have another from a second party dev and an fps game with multiplayer focus by deviation games, they counted Gt7 as a live service game but really it's not much different to how recent GT titles were treated, they have the last of us factions, a Horizon multiplayer game in production at guerilla alongside horizon 3, a new ip from Bungie. The rest of their studios seem to be hard at work on traditional singleplayer games that may also have a multiplayer mode or may not. So their live service titles are mostly in development from either new teams setup at existing studios or from acquisitions they have made which really just replace the capabilities they once had through Sony Online Entertainment until they sold it half a decade ago. Only I'd argue their new capabilities in this space would appear to be better and have higher quality talent than it did back then.

Sonic1881349d ago

And what is Xbox focused on? Redfall is so bad, it's worse than Forspoken 😂😂😂

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S2Killinit352d ago

Thank god for actual gamers in the industry.

neutralgamer1992352d ago

Shu I agree but right now Sony themselves are working on more than 5 live service games

Redemption-64352d ago

He never said they were not working on any. He said, he doesn't want to see Gaming's Future dominated by live-Service Games. Sony currently has 25 games in development. 10 being live service games, with the other mostly likely being single player games and that is honestly a very good balance

neutralgamer1992352d ago

I agree I just hope their live service games are not simple money grabs and try to do some good interesting things

-Foxtrot352d ago

"and that is honestly a very good balance"

The issue is, whether people want to admit it or not because it's Sony, but once a company gets a taste of that money GaaS games make the chances of them going money crazy becomes super higher

I know what you'll probably say

"bu bu but Sony wouldn't do that"

NO COMPANY is immune, even the best can fall and I really don't want to see that happen here.

The fact people will completely blow that off and pretend it's not even a possibility is worrying to me because that's how we end up shits creek.

They might be fine...they might go too far but at the moment I don't think it's a bad thing at all to be sceptical with the shit this industry has gone through in the past 10 years alone.

FinalFantasyFanatic352d ago (Edited 352d ago )

The thing is most of those 10 games won't even be viable, out of the 10 that actually get released, probably only 1 or 2 will make the big bucks worth continuing support. I think Sony even knows that, look at all the other GaaS games that release and die shortly after. Personally I'm okay with that because I don't want the market dominated with these games.

I'd actually rather the resources go on to making some more top-tier JRPGs, I feel like we don't get enough of those in the last couple of gens.

neutralgamer1992351d ago

Final Fantasy

But keep in mind when those games fail many of the studios are shut and there are layoffs

NotoriousWhiz351d ago

I don't want a Gaas game. I just want a new socom. A strong multi-player title with no purchases beyond the initial purchase.

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-Foxtrot352d ago

Yeah exactly what I was thinking

Not 1

Not a cheeky 2

But freaking 5

Like it’s not even a “we’ll try doing one and see how it goes”

__SteakDeck__352d ago

@-Foxtrot What do you have against live service games. I’m not a fan of live service games, but multiplayer games can be done right just look at Titanfall before EA killed it. As long as PS’s core studios keep making single player games, everything should be fine.

Redemption-64352d ago

Sony said they have 25 games in development. 10 being live service games, with the other mostly likely being single player games. They have more single player games in development

-Foxtrot352d ago

@__SteakDeck__

Urm....that they are a cancer in this industry

That the majority of them fail and the developers have then wasted years on them rather than other things.

They turn developers and publishers into thirsty little money grabbers where that big money is still not enough for them.

I could go on, defending GaaS games is not a hill to die on man, it's really not

"done right just look at Titanfall before EA killed it"

Titanfall 2 was not really a GaaS type of game compared to what we are getting now so that's a really bad example.

__SteakDeck__352d ago

@-Foxtrot Yeah it seems like you just have a hatred for multiplayer games. I’m not the biggest fan of multiplayer games, but like I said they can be done well. Also Titanfall 1 had no single player it was multiplayer only and it’s now a dead game, but it was still good. So yes that is a good example.

FinalFantasyFanatic352d ago

@_SteakDeck_,
I'm still salty about Titanfall 2, it was one of the only multi-player games I actually liked.

NotoriousWhiz351d ago

Multi-player games don't have to be Gaas games. Look at Mario Kart, Splatoon. Nintendo's games most likely don't have Gaas because they're behind the times, but this is one area where it's better to be behind the times.

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blackblades352d ago

And? They still have single player games. Domination would completely ruled with live services which Sony should know to still do single player. On a side note they should also do a few 1st party smaller games like indie or AA. By the way is indie a single A game.

Philaroni351d ago (Edited 351d ago )

To be fair, so has many other companies aka Ubisoft for example and many of them they decided to end development on. Just because something is in the works does not mean it will release if they do not feel it will pan out. ATM all of the GaaS we know of from Sony are The Last of Us Factions, and some kind of Horizon (Monster Hunter like) game. Also keep in mind, they do own Bungie, and Destiny and there new project be it Destiny 3 and there new IP will likely be that. So just that on its own is near half of what we can best assume.

Main issue with GaaS now days is that its very over saturated. Keep in mind as well Battel Royal games are GaaS by nature also, hell CoD is GaaS. Halo Infinity, ditto. Really now days unless something is an honest to god single player game only the GaaS term gets over used.

Not sure if many played it (I loved it) Gun's Up was a GaaS for a long while, it was going to shut down till some youtubers gave it a bit of new life for another half of year. We know Sony Mobile is working on things and it not shock me if some of this stuff is targeted to the mobile market.

Right now Sony's biggest weakness I'd say is MP games. With that Firewalk studio from lots of vets they just acquired its quite likely there game will have GaaS stuff as part of it, that is still years down the line. I think everyone needs to chill out some and just wait and see what comes. We have not really got a real honest GaaS from Sony before this or even last gen really... At least as we know them now days. Such a broad term now.

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The face of PlayStation: Shuhei Yoshida on the joy and future of video games

He’s been at PlayStation since the beginning, and seen the games industry transform beyond recognition. He talks unlikely successes, AI, and gaming’s future.

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Workshyskiver357d ago

A titan and a legend of the industry.

autoglope357d ago (Edited 357d ago )

Shue is great. .. He even mentioned Miazaki and Ueda,..

victorMaje357d ago

What a Legend. I salute you.

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