As we found out today, Sony underestimated the amount of attention that the PlayStation Vita TV would be getting from gamers in the West, and they are “of course” thinking of launching it in the US and Europe.
That's exactly why I refuse to play/buy any phone games whatsoever. I fully support handheld gaming.
Well by doing that you are not supporting any new developer trying to make it. Mobile gaming is now the first step. You need recognition to really succeed on consoles and mobiles (of course as well as PC) can do that. I also think it is a natural progression. Mobile gaming is the next step for handheld gaming. Handheld devices just cost too much. It is far easier and cheaper to get a phone on contract and game that way. Mobile phones are not quite there yet but with online game streaming services and tech in smart phones improving it wont be long till we see it replacing handheld devices (natural evolution/progression that is hard to ignore)
i hate playing on phones or tablets, those games are for retards.. make burgers, angry birds.. this is the low end of entertainment (not gaming) for me. EDIT: And that's also why Sony have to focus on hardcore gamers cause those gamers don't change the way they are playing games..
"Mobile gaming is now the first step" I believe that the first step is being commited, have a good plan, clear presentation to publishers of what your plan is and do your job well, not releasing €1~€2 crappy games for mobiles to get a freeway to handheld.
Why skip over a quality mobile game just because of some loyalty to handhelds?
Quality mobile game?
I'm sure I see ovni's more often than quality mobile games.
LOL Seriously, I actually bought two mobile games to try after a friend told me about them, Modern Combat 4 and Asphalt 8. While this games are entertaining the controls ruin the whole experience! Nothing tops two joysticks and buttons, NOTHING! And even Total Recoil on the Playstation Vita is much much better than on phones, I have this game and after many hours of playing(kind of addictive game btw) I looked for it in the app store, I downloaded it to compare and ..NO! JUST NO! Even Total Recoil with such simple controls is way better on the Vita, controller inputs and graphics. I'm 23hr 38mns into Killzone Mercenary and that portable experience cannot be achieved in any other handheld on the market, the whole gaming experience on PSV is unique. I wish more games follow KZ principles, true console gaming wherever you go. Seriuosly, Angry Birds? Temple Run? Subway Surfers? EFFING CANDY CRUSH???? ...NO.
I said PS Vita was pretty much doomed when announced, and time has consistently proven that. Young children usually do not carry a smartphone, hence the 3DS makes sense. However, the older crowd carries a smart phone, and that has games, and a lot of other things to dominate their time. As such, PS Vita is a bad value proposition, especially at that cost and the poor selection of games.
It's like...$30 (?) more than the 3DS now. And it has a wide array of games, with even more to come. Certainly not a bad value proposition to me. Especially with the features it offers, one of which being remote play (HUGE for me). It's like carrying a PS4 in your pocket.
dude just stop. the ps vitas struggles have nothing to do with a what youre saying. it only really struggles because it started out at a very high price point and didnt have as much quality software as the (already year old) 3ds had at the time. it has nothing to do with the vitas lack of a proper audience. you supposedly foretold that the vita would struggle and gave a finite list of reasons. while the vita is in fact struggling, your reasons are way off. you didnt call anything.
Snookies, thats nice and all , but you will lose that war. Its inevitable, we as gamers, average or Hardcore are vastly out numbered by the reg joe, who will buy games on their phone and not invest in handhelds and consoles. Thats Life
I don't know the 3DS has a large library similar to that of a smartphone gaming library ; whereas, the vita is the only mobile device to offer console like gaming on the go. Sadly console like gaming does not work for people on the go. Besides smartphone gaming offers more than angry birds and candy crush here is a few games worth your while : Contra revolution Final Fantasy dimensions Asphalt franchise Lots and lots of emulators for the n64, nes, snes, and even ps one.
Water always finds it's level.
They need to do a ps vita phone, that will appeal to casual markets. They will need to change the prices of vita games to appeal to casual markets.
That is exactly what everyone expect the vita to do from the start. So your statement is on point pretty much you nail it on the head.
That and they need to allow more mobile games on vita. There's a ton of amazing mobile games, most are bad due to lack of buttons which would be amazing on vita. It would bolster the library overnight. Dues Ex The Fall, Modern Combat, Nova 3, Bastion, Kotor, exc. The two markets shouldn't segmented into mobile and handheld but merge. Yes handheld games are generally better but there's still good mobile games that would be great as appropriately priced psn titles. Full 40 dollar console like games and smaller dd games.
you should of made vita into a phone.
They did make Xperia Play, but it didn't solve the problem.
Xperia play and Vita are two different products. The Vita is essentially the PSP2, PSP sold over 60 million units, more than any Sony phone. The name recognition alone is what sells Vita, then the capabilities of a Next Gen handheld. The point is Sony has to recognize who their audience is, they are selling to a mch more mature audience than the 3DS, which means Nintendo can use little gimmicks to sell their handheld, Sony has to comply to the needs of a mature audience, which means social aspects. Therefore it has to replace the devices they already use for social purposes=Cell phones. To spell it out, it had to be a phone plus next gen game machine in order to outdue the Iphone/Galaxy/Etc.
That is due to the fact that the xperia play only allowed the user to play ps one games not psp games or vita games. If Sony would of transfer and continue to supply games like vita style games market it for the xperia play; Sony would of been profiting and taken control of the mobile market not only besting Nintendo but also besting it's smartphone competition.
They already tried that with the Xperia Play and it failed.
It failed due to lack of games and marketing campaign. Just the ability to play ps one games did not help the xperia play at all plus poor marketing does not help either.
3ds proves this theory wrong,its just that the vita got off to a bad start.
true, mobile phones are with people when theyre out and tablets when theyre at home, but i think portable consoles work because its main priority is gaming, the 3ds is successful, the vita is hopefully getting there :)
The sad thing about this is an awful lot on the internet were proclaiming Vita would become the handheld that knocked Nintendo out and prove the smart phone analysts wrong. I have talked people into trying to buy Vita but they don't want one. The reasons are either because they felt PSP was just a PS2 you take with you so they know Vita will be the same. Or they don't like touch screen and don't want it for that. Its a shame because its a great handheld but it sadly isn't getting the backing. I don't think Sony should give up on Vita because Nintendo need real handheld competition.
The reason I haven't gotten a Vita yet is because there isn't enough games that take full advantage of the Vita's hardware. I was looking up articles like "Top 25 games for Vita" and they had games like Guacamelee, Hotline Miami, Jak&Daxter collection. I'm like what the heck? These games are already available on the PS3 and they absolutely do not take advantage of the Vita's hardware (except Jak&Daxter). This is why I don't have a Vita. Sony set out a goal to have console quality games on the go. A lot of Vita titles don't offer that. The only games that make me go "wow" are Uncharted Golden Abyss and KZ:Mercenary. They actually take full advantage of the hardware and are new quality experiences. Not some shameless ports
If the PSVTV proves them successful, then it's gonna get a lot of support, despite not being a handheld, it's still a Vita at it's core, which means they don't have too much to worry about competing in the handheld space, but in a way, Sony should give the Vita a little more of a push because the indie games I've seen on it aren't appealing to me. I think they should make mid-budget range games available to it, at least, and minimize the MH-like games, if I was Capcom, I would of made MH4 multi-platform instead of keeping it exclusive to Nintendo, they would of made a lot of money on both handhelds, Capcom has made a lot of stupid business decisions, no wonder they so far have $152 million in the bank as of late, hate to see them bankrupt, but if it happens, then they deserved it. Also, to those that says "3DS proves it wrong, it's doing great", ya keep forgetting how it's first year was doing, it was doing pretty bad that it prompted Nintendo to make a huge price drop, because let's be honest, Sony kept the Vita $250 for a longer time than Nintendo did, so in a way, yes, smartphones were affecting 3DS sales, it took Nintendo a few months to urgently drop the prices from $250 to $170, why? Because Nintendo's success relies heavily on the handheld market, it's their bread and butter, it isn't because Nintendo are perfectionists.
Still Vita might be doing bad but the 3Ds on the other hand is doing quite good
casualization needs to be kept as far away from gaming as possible.
Hope the delusional handheld gamers can realize that one day.
Yeah right Nintendo is not saying but whatever works for you bruh (sony)
I buy quality games, that's why I only buy games for consoles like the Vita. The only games I play on my mobile are emulated games.
Meh I play phone games like Candy Crush to blow off time at work, but when im on vacation or just bored at home, Vita here I come. I also have Animal Crossings New Leaf.
Games on phones and tablets feel soulless to me. A quick puzzler to kill time in the doctor's office is great, but I prefer Vita and 3DS games head and shoulders above anything on a phone or tablet. Game industry really thinks casuals are key, but it really feels that casuals are warping the game industry into something unrecognisable. Hoping that it snaps back with the release of the new consoles.
why doesn't sony just combine the two give it a better effort then you did with the xperia play and i promise i'll buy it...
I would like one as well and it doesn't have the be their flagship (most expensive phone) either. Don't forget to have easily replaceable batteries. I believe it could just be a mess to engineer as well as a mess in business startegy so it's not happening right now. -If it's not Android, it won't likely reach commercial success. -If it's Android, the cheap games may undermine the expensive VITA games/indies. -Android may also make it a hackers playground that could lead to VITA game piracy. -What's the device going to use? Expensive VITA cards? MicroSDs? Built in storage only? Mixed? -using SD cards may be a step towards getting hacked easily -Mixed could mean more expensive hardware. With limited budget, won't it be better to risk that money in securing popular 3rd party IPs or giving budgets to Sony's own Studios to make better VITA exclusives? The VITA platform is really in a though spot unless people, including Sony, is fine with it as a niche device performing utterly, way below competition.
all your points are actually very valid and i certainly wasn't thinking about some of them, like the micro SD slot versus sonys proprietary storage one solution to vita games on android could be not having vita games on android, just PSP, not something i would want but its an option
Why i stay away from those souless cash grabs. Those so called 'games' cannot even compare to the vast quality of a REAL handheld game, (Soul Sacrifice, Gravity Rush, SMT IV)
I like what Sony is doing right now but....i don't agree with what he said, as 3DS is selling VERY well right now & if this were true, Its kinda funny how Sony are saying this now, when they also make phones & tablets, which means they would be helping to kill there own handheld sales, as they make handhelds too.
Go cry about it sony. Times change and smartphones are in. Adapt to the future instead of telling the public that phones are hurting vita sales lol
No reason to cry. You can enjoy your console like graphics I will take a dedicated device any day over smartphone gaming which is easily forgotten.
The market as we know it can't honestly grow at least as far as the traditional gamer knows it. It's always going to be the size it is. The bigger market has always been there though but it's only now - now that it's served up so accessibly - that casual experiences are gobbled up. The potential has always been there but that means at this point in time that the more traditional gamer is a minority. Both Ms and Sony know this very well
Hurt the Vita quite Badly maybe. cant say the same about the 3DS.
Indeed. Mostly because Sony doesn't have any real equivalent of Nintendo handheld legacies that have proven their success in the world. The PSP was the best Sony handheld competitor. Right now, the actual battle is between the 3DS and smart devices for dominance over commercially successful portable entertainment. The VITA will forever be know as the handheld console that has the most potential for further pushing handheld experiences away from their comfort zones (cannot emphasize that word enough).. POTENTIAL.. -pre "mobile generation". At least Sony's not completely blind. VTV, IMO, is just one of the "transformations" it will be getting throughout its life cycle.
"Hm, hmm. How badly? Quite badly." Straight from the horse's mouth. They're not competition, they (plenty of the vocal internet board members) said. A shame they didn't secure a numbered Monster Hunter.
Ps Vita is bad. Not based off the system but based off the support. Its really tough for the vita this year. I think the Vita will have a brighter future hopefully next year. You can say the PS Plus gives away free games but it doesnt cut it. They barely have good games as it is.
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