Devs say one console is more powerful

Adrian C. (Former People Can Fly) Claims His Dev Friends Claim 50% XB1/PS4 Speed Diff

[pyramidshead]

uh oh lol :X
https://twitter.com/adrianc...

Also just seen this, and had to add, made me chuckle :P
http://abload.de/img/ibzeso...

[-Foxtrot]

Oh snap...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[-Foxtrot]

You know it's like a pattern with the two consoles since they were both revealed

Xbox One negative news
PS4 positive news
...and so on

OR

Xbox One positive news
PS4 SUPER DUPER positive news that crushes/debunks Xbox news

It's hard to take a company like Microsoft seriously when they speak out about the Xbox One because as the news tells us now it's not looking good. Hell since Kinect was revealed all we have gotten from MS are lies after lies, promises that are never fulfilled or stuff which they try and cover up.

Honestly I just don't see how a gamer can stick by MS blindly and defend them when it's just an on going downward slope. I mean one or two things I understand but after everything thats happened it just makes them kind of people look stupid. Instead we get the whole "YOUR ALL FANBOYS" when really the majority of us are just normal people who have common sense and support/praise the company which are doing good...like you would with pretty much anyone

[Hydrolex]

This has been said 1000 times before.... simple as sex, ps4 is stronger

[Maddens Raiders]

No Forced Camera
No DRM under patched lock and key.
Less Money
More 1st Party Studios
More Pre-Orders
More Powerful

I would say Greatness Awaits, but now that is almost like telling someone, Geico can save you 15% on car insurance.

[shoddy]

Powa of teh cloud
ten billion transister
300000 server
% 10 cpu boost.
kinect
made by rocket scientists

the winner is............still the ps4

[Narutone66]

So Major Nelson was telling the truth that XB1 is not 30% slower than the PS4. It's 50% slower.

[Enemy]

We've known this the whole time. With PS4's superior GDDR5 RAM and GPU combined, how is this not to be expected? The problem is that Xbox fanboys are very hopeful that Major Nelson, a Microsoft spokesperson, is going to be honest. Every claim that we've heard about PS4 being more powerful has come from developers that Sony doesn't even own.

[ProjectVulcan]

Yes we have known it. For ages. And tried to tell people that denied it or didn't believe it. Microsoft's damage control has been in effect.

Its not a secret. But this guy is another legit source and just opened that can of worms big time. 2

Dat can....

[aCasualGamer]

A dev just confirmed what we all knew, that Microsoft is selling an inferior console for 100$ more than a superior PS4.

I don't think we'll be able to tell now, but down the line when second year titles come out for PS4 and Xbox One, it's gonna get real obvious who has the 50% speed advantage.

[AlexanderNevermind]

Not very surprising....

[Eonjay]

Eat it bitches lol jk

[LOL_WUT]

Shots fired BANG BANG! ;)

[MysticStrummer]

I wonder if Major Nelson is still looking forward to the truth coming out...?

@JohnnyBadfinger - If it was all about dev time, would he have talked about maxing out the consoles or gimping a particular version in the name of parity? I don't think so.

[JohnnyBadfinger]

He (Adrian) goes on to explain its only interms of developing time... Which makes sense as the layout of the ps4 is straight forward no fancy loops to jump through like the x1. But he stated the overall performance is the same.
He claimed nothing about the console being 50% more powerful in performance only development time. Which is a no brainer. X1 has made the same mistake as the ps3 and they have tried to get all fancy and just made things too difficult. The curse of the 3rd I guess

@mystic
He never said one version would be gimped just that the x1 would take more time to develop for compared to the ps4... But yes he did say if it were you'd never know about it. And it's in the link don't just disagree because it doesn't suit your agenda

[MysticStrummer]

Calm down John Boy. I read the link and I didn't hit disagree. He didn't use the word "gimp", he used the word "cripple", and of course you wouldn't know if they went for parity. Come on man...

[tuglu_pati]

This put to rest the dGPU rumors. The proof is right there. If you want graphics PS4 is the best bet, that or a high end pc

[Destrania]

So not only is PS4 50% more powerful, but it's also the easier to develop for platform. Playstation domination is back baby!

@ JohnnyBadfinger

He clearly stated 50% more powerful, not 50% faster development time (even though it will obviously be faster to develop for PS4 over X1 as well) lol. I can't believe you misinterpreted that or maybe you're just being ignorant.

[Ritsujun]

Like I said, Xbosh and Mehjurr Pelsuhn need to try harder.

Poor JohnnieB.

[Kryptix]

@JohnnyBadfinger

I did read the post you're talking about but I'm going to clarify it for everyone.

http://t.co/E3wJjwWb3M

He does say in his clarification that development time is 50% faster on the PS4 but in his Twitter post he also states that the PS4 is more powerful spec wise.

https://twitter.com/adrianc...

By how much? That isn't cleared yet. The way it's stated is that the PS4 is more powerful so it gets developed on first then the platform with the weaker hardware gets worked on second to match the more powerful hardware graphically with optimizations.

"...they take extra time for super-extra optimizations on the weaker hardware to make sure things look the same as on the more powerful platform." -Adrian

The one with the weaker hardware, Xbox One, needs to be optimized to match the PS4 graphic wise. Rememeber, Adrian already stated that the PS4 is the more powerful console so development time is much faster. Basically stating that for 3rd party games, the PS4 will be the lead platform.

We still don't know by how much percentage is the PS4 more powerful but this does confirm that the PS4 is not only more powerful than the Xbox One but will be the lead platform for most 3rd party games. Remember how Xbox 360 3rd party games looked better because it was the lead console most of the time? Well, it's changed up now, the PS4 will look better and have better frame rates because the way it works...once the weaker console looks playable, the powerful console does get extra optimizations at the end depending on the extra time given. And this time, there's no complexity involved with development.

Truth...

@rewardedone

"And yet no exclusive on X360 looks like The Last of Us. Halo 4 looks great. Gears blew my mind in 2006. And still, the best looking AAA game of this generation belongs to the supposedly weaker platform." -Adrian

During that time, the weaker platform was considered the one with the more complex and difficult to develop hardware. Even with the PS3's Cell being more powerful, developers have stated that the tools to work with on the PS3 were weak and difficult to use. It took time to workaround the flaws, but as stated from both sides with the PS4 and Xbox One...Sony and Microsoft are working on making both consoles easy to develop for. But this whole article does confirm that the PS4 has better tools to work with or the console is just a beast so all the focus is on it.

It's different now. Weakness is now mostly measured with how powerful the graphics and RAM is, and the PS4 is showing that it's winning on the hardware side.

[xHeavYx]

Guys, I'm worried.I haven't seen Jokes, Negative and many others.
OT. Nothing we didn't know before, otherwise MS wouldn't have made all those " power of the cloud" statements to cover their less powerful console

[UltimateMaster]

He isn't the first developer to say this.
Epic Games themselves say it's better on PS4.

[scott182]

It doesn't matter at all to me as long as sony has those great devs.

[thechosenone]

By the way if you have a min please go upvote this it's getting downvoted to hell by all the xbox fanboys over there. Thnx!
http://www.reddit.com/r/Gam...

[mistertwoturbo]

I don't understand why its even a debate to begin with. The hardware specs alone already told the full story.

[The_Con-Sept]

The amount of steam behind the PS4 has generated a small cloud above Xbox headquarters..... It is only a matter of time before the Xbox one suddenly gets plastered on every Starbucks cup, burger king bag, google searches that are unrelated, YouTube commercial, and MSNBC's top story on the Xbox one... Without a good tag line because all in one input one just leaves you wondering how one hdmi input is enough when most TVs have 2-3 installed standard.

[DragonKnight]

How many times does this need to be said before it will be put to rest? Sony doesn't even have to try to say it anymore, it's been said that much.

[pixelsword]

So...

The power of the cloud was actually the ability to hide facts behind techno-jargon?

That "cloud" is actually a smoke-screen.

[P0werVR]

I believe that's the problem with most of you.

No body ever contested the speed difference, except some fanboys...

The true argument was, would it make any difference that it would lead PS4 to be better between either console?! NO!

As he had further stated it, without damage control even still sticking to his claim of what he heard.

You guys are now piss celebrating all over each other without anything relevant to state that has already been stated.

So clean yourselves off, because it hasn't even started yet. Outside of this contested sweaty smog hole of a site filled with insecure "little men", it's a long run!

Mark this post, PS4 is not going to do so good after launch.

Hit me up when I told you so!

@pixelswod

It's simple...the hasn't started yet!

My gosh you guys are thick in the head.

[MazzingerZ]

I don't trust devs when it comes to talking positive about PS4 when comparing against the X1

I trust more MSFT reps, Major Nelson regarding positive comments about X1 not for nothing all that flow of positive news about X1 comes from MSFT itself:S

Now leaving behind sarcarsm, the PS4 is more powerful, that's a fact and not just a little but also faster to develop for, PS2 devs times which means more cost effectiv dev times that can reflect in some small devs developing only for PS4 and some other releasing first on PS4 and X1 later when done

Those dev times was part of the success of PS2, many crap games indeed but also amazing gems!

[ZHZ90]

I knew Nelson and people with him won't help.

Anyways always PS4 is awesome. ;)

Can't wait to check comments from Xbox fanboys' response.

But da cloud, directx and 300,000 dedicated server. xD

[ForeAllEternity]

Even if PS4 is inevitably the more powerful console, didn't MS ask for identical performance for multi-plat titles previously? I don't want MS to go away completely but they need to focus more on their products rather than forcing restrictions on developers just to "level" the playing field. Until then I refuse to support them as a gamer.

[Ezz2013]

oh, wow

[OlgerO]

Bu Bu But .... infinite power of the cloudz!

[sAVAge_bEaST]

wow,, I was going to write the exact same thing, with the bu,bu,but... good thing I read comments first.- great minds/

The clowdz, were supposed to make up for this power difference, until they realized, it couldn't.

[OlgerO]

By the way this article is doubting that he meant that the PS4 is more powerfull, but it is. His second tweet actually says this : Its PS4 that is more powerfull

[Angeljuice]

Best quote from the comments on the article;

" No surprise at all. When you have the second coming of Christ as your systems architect you know you got something good going."

[TomShoe]

Sony just keeps winning. and winning. and winning. and winning.

[first1NFANTRY]

even charlie sheen couldn't win this much lol

[pwnsause_returns]

Ps4, Charlie sheen plays on it..cause it's only for the winnars...

[AceBlazer13]

That's the truth,the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

[Quicktopick]

U can't handle the truth!!!

[BG11579]

The truth is out there...

[imdaboss1]

m$ just need to shut up..whenever they speak it always turn negative..because they lie like the devil

[Kratos_1986]

and can you believe there are MS fanboyz in this world ?

[thechosenone]

they've been like that since the beginning all the way back to Steve/Apple it's not going to stop now.

[cell989]

Major Nelson said he couldn't wait for the truth to come out, now that it's here, what happens next?

[majiebeast]

Well this article is gonna blow up like the fourth of july. Im ready let the show begin!

[Thatguy-310]

Funny thing is people will still try to prove otherwise. Even though Professional Devs have stated this already.

[Xsilver]

because apparently the xbox fans know more than devs smh.

[JunioRS101]

Translated into English, I believe what he said was...

"Shit just hit the fan."

[SonyPS360]

This is called hype.

[Evilsnuggle]

But Major Nelson said.....

:(

[kickerz]

Interesting. Well someone is lying or have there facts wrong. Major Nelson or this dev.

[stuna1]

Notice how the more deluded ones have suddenly disappeared! You know who you are! Or maybe maybe they're still here, but just using the Cloak of invisibility spells.

This news has been the norm from the beginning, even to the point of retraction! When something is being compared to something else is retracted, it's usually some truth to it! Either because one party doesn't want the other party to get wind of it, Or....... One party is trying to hide information that could be potentially damaging to them!

Many would like to believe Microsoft really has some secret weapon, and they may have something that we haven't heard of yet, but I doubt it's anything to turn the tide of the battle in their favor! The best they can hope for IMO is a stalemate. The 3 os function was their ace in the hole if you ask me, but it has been seriously crippled with the always online feature.

Sony has a score to settle with Microsoft, after the loss of so many markers shares to Microsoft, which is probably one of many reasons why Sony is pushing on all fronts! This gen and next gen are pretty evenly matched as far as support on Sony part, even the Vita is showing signs of rebirth, with Sony showing not only saying it will have a integral role with supporting the PS4.

All I can say is Sony is firing on all cylinder right now, and it would be unwise to underestimate them.

[SonyPS360]

Ugh, the fanboyism. I almost feel sick. You guys will believe anything you're told.

[nosferatuzodd]

Stuna1 bubbles up man you hit the nail on the head i was saying the same thing where are all the xbox fanboys lol
the facts are the facts bro believe it or not that's not going to change it

[Olympus]

Xbox One getting a discreet GPU and it will be announced at the end of September after NDA from AMD as they will announce the new Volcanic Islands architecture which Xbox dGPU is based off.

http://wccftech.com/rumormi...

[DragonKnight]

That's a B.S. rumour. It isn't true. As if Microsoft would hide that after being blasted in PR this much about the power of their console.

[PS4isKing_82]

@Olympus Keep dreaming.

[Angeljuice]

Why would they hide the dGPU from the devs making games for their system?

[MasterCornholio]

Thats what all XBOX One fans are hoping for.

But heres the truth, the XBOX One doesnt have a dual GPU configuration.

Stop spreading false rumors and deal with the truth.

@Olympus

And when it turns out to be false XBOX One fans will rely on the magical cloud to try and prove that the console is on par with the PS4.

Look the XBOX One isnt a bad console but it isnt as powerful as the PS4. Now im not going to make claims that there is a 50% power difference between the two but this developer seems to confirm it.

@Angeljuice

Well they are using the NDA as an excuse but that wouldnt prevent developers from using it. And if they did use it Dead Rising 3 would be running at 1080P 60FPS instead of sub 1080P at a shaky 30FPS.

[DeadlyFire]

I can see some extra GPU cores tucked into the board silicon off the APU, but not a full discrete GPU with the time limit they have to even market this in 2013. That is just to much of a stretch. Seems more like the part that deals with GPU MMU host-guest clients. Also in same article as the next link.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

An important note to discredit this I believe is that they showcased the Xbox One's SOC at hotchips with only 13.5 Gigapixels a second.
https://semiaccurate.com/as...

Also PS4 said to be based on 7850. Which has 27.5 Gigapixels a second while running at 1.78 Tflops. Embed it in the PS4 it likely is a little faster. Meaning faster images and more crisp detail. The difference between PS3/X360 was marginal with both having GPUs roughly with 4.4 Gigapixels/s so they both appeared about the same. PSVita has GPU with 4.0 Gigapixels/s. Its quite a difference this time around. :)

[PrimeGrime]

Omg.... No.

AMD APU Wiki read it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

"The third-generation Kaveri for high performance devices is expected in late 2013, while Kabini and Temash for low-power devices were announced in summer 2013. Semi-custom APUs based on the technology in the third-generation low-power APUs can be found in the Sony PlayStation 4 and the Microsoft Xbox One eighth generation video game consoles."

That means these are Kabini and Temash semi- custom APU's but they are based off the new technology found in the third generation Kaveri APU planned to released later on for PC's. The only difference is they still use Jaguar cores, while Kaveri uses Steamroller cores.

Have had to post this so many times already its sickening.

You drones and your stupid rumors already.. Seriously what sense would that make, they just over clocked the APU. Now you guys seriously believe that they will change the entire APU in September, two months before the Xbox One is supposed to release in November?

You know how ridiculous that sounds? I thought I had seen it all when it came to people being delusional but holy fuck that just took the cake..

[PrimeGrime]

To prove it even further because so many of you keep talking about this its sad.. Microsoft has released images of the finished Xbox One, way before these rumors came around.

You aren't going to find any secret GPU there. All you will see is exactly what I told you is there.

The custom AMD APU.

http://www.wired.com/gadget...

Notice the Xbox One only has one huge fan which covers the APU. If there were a another graphics chip, they would need another fan or another heat sink for it.

Obviously like I said they aren't going to change the APU this late either. That is even more ridiculous to think.

When developers wouldn't have been able to even use it, test it or anything. If that was the case, it would have been in the dev kits. You don't add components later after the development process and after you have started production.

Come on people use your freaking brains.

[Magicite]

Made me actually laugh, bring the heavy Kaz Gif artillery!

[PS4isKing_82]

Confirmed. Sony wins next gen by a landslide.

[RobbyGrob]

This is fantastic news for Sony and terrible news for Microsoft, if true. Most of you seem to be missing two very big and important points here:

1. DEVELOPING SPEED Vs GAME PERFORMANCE

If it's true that developers can spend 25% less time finishing their games for the PS4 (50% increase in speed = 25% decrease in time), they could either spend that extra time further optimizing and bug-fixing their games, or more realistically; start working on new projects much sooner and thus save a lot of money.

This would make the PS4 a goldmine, in every sense of the word:

- Devs can spend 25% less time and money on finishing up a game, thus..

- ..make money from their next project sooner, and..

- ..sell their games at a lower price and still make more money than they would developing for the XB1.

- Sony will sell even more consoles since more games (and even more so more *exclusive* games) most likely will be created for it than for the XB1 since it makes no sense to choose a technically weaker platform that it also takes 25% longer to finish your project on and that costs 25% more to develop for.

- Gamers will have way more games to play, most likely including a lot more *exclusives* than we previously imagined, and..

- ..could potentially enjoy even more games being added to PS+ than otherwise since a *lot* more indie developers are going to turn to the PS4 over the XB1 since funding is the most important factor to them.

2. HARDWARE Vs SOFTWARE

Larry Hyrb stated that Microsoft has some of the greatest software engineers in the world and bragged about how they created DirectX. This is the same as saying that performance is up to the work of the developer. This is true.

However, if a company like Naughty Dog can manage to spend only a few years to learn to optimize their games for the incredibly complex Cell architecture of the PS3, they sure as hell will be able to squeeze out every drop of performance out of the X86 architecture of the PS4 with ease. And since the PS4 hardware already is vastly superior to that of the XB1, that does indeed mean that at least the exclusives have an immensely higher potential in the areas of performance and graphics quality.

Microsoft may be the founders of the standard for 3D graphics today, but that doesn't mean that other developers won't be able to meet or even surpass their knowledge is optimizing it.

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[Kingthrash360]

popcorn ready......watching for fanboy war in 3.....2....1....O.O
who should i belive? major nelson a MS employee or 3rd party devs a neutral source?...

question answers itself i guess....ps4 preorder looks better every day.

[theWB27]

Kojima
http://www.videogamer.com/x...

Carmack
http://www.ign.com/articles...

CD Projekt Red
http://www.gamezone.com/new...

Ubisoft
http://gamingbolt.com/ubiso...
Of course, the Xbox One isn’t to be counted out. We asked Guay how the Xbox One version of Watch_Dogs would be different compared to the PC and PS4 versions of the game, to which he replied that, “The Xbox One is a powerful platform, as of now we do not foresee a major difference in on screen result between the PS4 and the Xbox One. Obviously since we are still working on pushing the game on these new consoles, we are still doing R&D.

Call me crazy...

[-Foxtrot]

Why would any of those active developers/companies say one of the versions of the games they are bringing out for next gen is less powerfull then the other version...that would cost them sales at the end of the day. The truth would just get them lower sales on that version, the main objective for them as a business is too sell as many as possible on all the platforms they are developing for so I doubt they would just come out and say "Yeah this version of the game we are making is not as good as this version"

Plus all those people you've linked us to have big games coming up...like triple A games

Kojima - MGSV

Carmack - Doom 4 (After the reception/sales of RAGE he needs this)

CD Projekt Red - Witcher 3

Ubisoft - AC4, WatchDogs, The Division...hell a lot of games most likely coming up

[Kingthrash360]

i dont know if you agree or disagree with my comment...but all the links basically say the ps4 is stronger......i dont care whos stronger tho...i just wanna see fany boys go at it....its toooooo funny...to see the bosting , the denial, the wishful thinking, the comparison of games none of them has played...ect,ect.....i hate it but its the way new console arrivals are ....***bing***....ok popcorn is ready article is approved!

[Enemy]

Multiplatform developers that get paid to be neutral. Good job with your argument, WB.

[AceBlazer13]

As major Nelson said,only a matter of time till the truth comes to light,and you guys see the Xbox one is weak.

[MRMagoo123]

You claim to be neutral in all this console war crap theWB27 but you seem to be defending MS in every comment you ever make and then pretned you are trying to keep balance or some other crap, the ps4 is more powerful the devs say so, even MS themselves say that the ps4 is more powerful but they think they have the edge on software, just stfu and get over it, its done and dusted the ps4 has the better hardware and its 100% fu@king fact now.

[Clarence]

Your crazy and not smart. All of these developers work for both companies. They want to keep the money train coming in. They will not offend either company by stating which console is more powerful. (PS4)

This just like the statement AMD made about which console had the advantage.(PS4) They retracted the statement because they want to continue getting M$ business.

Now you won't see a difference in multiplates because they don't want upset a certain company (M$)

[Hicken]

Okay. You're crazy.

1st link: Kojima himself says NOTHING about the power. It's implied from the article, but not actually said.

2nd link: Carmack doesn't say anything about power, again. And he even admitted he hadn't done any "rigorous benchmarking."

3rd link: Pretty irrelevant, given it says nothing about power differences between the consoles.

4th link: Again, NOTHING is said about the difference in the power of the two consoles. And that they say the XB1 will be similar to the PS4 version is probably due more to the engine being scalable than anything else.

A bunch of links that didn't prove ANYTHING. Good job!

[VaporCell]

Stop wasting your time trying to defend the xbone. It's outrageously funny how you guys deny factual GPU-Teraflop difference between both. Obviously as the guy said; the ps4 is stronger !

[Xsilver]

he mentions watch dog and AC devs but to this day i haven't seen those games running on the xone so please explain that shit, ubisoft has been praising the ps4 left and right.
WB you are a die hard xbot just admit it than calling yourself neutral, u write paragraphs defending the xone so who are you fooling what do u want Microsoft to come on stage and say their console isn't stronger because that's not gonna happen they don't need you to defend them left and right like you made the console.

[theWB27]

@Foxtrot
3RD party would lose sells if they say one machine is more powerful.
1st party devs are biased to their own platform.
I guess those philosophies cancel each other out and makes this whole thing irrelevant.

The reason I linked those big games is because they wouldn't lose sells based off of that sentiment. Kojima especially.

@Kingthrash
Just offering a counter argument....one dev says this and another says that. All in all....they don't imply the PS4 is 30,40,50% more powerful....that's far from minimal.

@Enemy
Again...complain about 3rd party devs being paid and neutral...but 1st party would of course be biased and can be less trusted since they have absolutely no access to the other machine at this point.

@MRMagoo123
I claim to be neutral because when it comes down to it, I support both with money. I will eventually buy a PS4. Couldn't care less how I come off in a forum. This back and forth doesn't sway how I game in real life.

[-Foxtrot]

"3RD party would lose sells if they say one machine is more powerful."

But those links you provided are all third party companies, so they would loose sales if they spoke about how one version of a game they've made is inferior to another.

Besides the guy speaking here is from People Can Fly who's owners are Epic Games, the company responsible for Gears of War an Xbox 360 exclusive. They've done nothing but praise MS over the years, hell the last game People Can Fly made was Gears of War Judgement. Both companies have given MS a lot of support over the years.

[Enemy]

Those 50% claims haven't come from 1st party developers though.

[OrangePowerz]

As a big company that would develop for both consoles you would never ever go out and say one is stronger because you would just piss off one of the companies that could mean loosing out on possible deals in the future. Just look at Gabe, as long as Valve had only 360 games he was saying that the PS3 architecture isn`t good, but once they made games for both platforms they where both good consoles. If Ubisoft says that one is stronger you can be sure that either Sony or MS would send them a friendly mail and ask them what the hell is going on that they make those statements in public.

[theWB27]

@Enemy
"Those 50% claims haven't come from 1st party developers though."

"Multiplatform developers that get paid to be neutral. Good job with your argument, WB."

Both are from quotes from you.

So I don't get it....when they say it's a big difference then it's a fact but when it's stated by other devs it's minimal it's because they can't strain the relationship between Sony and Micro.

Basically it's this...if it's a big enough difference stated by some 3rd party devs and Sony to enable chest thumping then it's golden, bulletproof info. Cannot be refuted and deal with it.

When it's stated it isn't much of a difference at all by other devs and Micro then it's damage control and wrong....face it it's inferior etc etc.

Ok....got it.

[Enemy]

This guy doesn't work for Sony, WB. In fact, go ahead and find one link where a 1st party Sony developer claims 50% advantage favoring PS4. All the claims have come strictly from hardware comparisons. Everything is right there, written, on paper. It's evidence.

If Microsoft wasn't worried, why would they suddenly feel the need to clock up CPU/GPU? Unfortunately, it's too late to match PS4's specs. Microsoft underestimated Sony's plan and it backfired. This'll teach'em not to next time. The end.

[Tooly]

Most of them are under nda so they didn even explain much becuz they cant

[Eddie20101]

This is the umteenth time a dev has said that the PS4 is 30% to 50% better, and he also refers to other devs saying the same thing. Are they missguided Sony fanboys, I don't think so.

Look at The xbots trolling his twitter, he is a dev I would think he knows what he is talking about.

[MRMagoo123]

Hey i can bet you any money Jokesonyou, edonus and the other MS shills like the one above will say the world has been taken over by sony fanboys and its all lies, its almost as bad as that conspiracy with the lizard ppl that have supposedly taken over the worlds higher ups lol. I dont know why they all dont just admit the 100% fact that the ps4 is the better hardware and just get on with their lives instead of spinning BS all the time.

[DigitalRaptor]

Oh god, edonus will pretend he's this super intelligent consumer who's superior to everyone else and immediately show his complete bias and inner fanboy for all to see with phrases like "the internet is broken" or "people have been poisoned against..." or "PS3.5" - Senseless excuses pretty much - whatever these guys can do to ignore fact, and act as though the root of gaming's problems and progression is sourced from the hands of "Sony fanboys on the internet", they'll do and they'll say it.

I'll bet you these guys will call out conspiracy in the media when PS4 games get good reviews and XB1 games get bad ones. I'll bet you they'll call conspiracy when more devs come out and prove the PS4's technical superiority.

The delusion is in place, that to them Sony cannot have a much more powerful system. It's honestly, too much for them to handle after they tried so hard like champions to prove that the 360 was more powerful than the PS3 due to "multiplats", that they aren't letting this one go. But they will... eventually.

The spin of denial is already in motion up there with our good fanboy friend, theWB27.

[ABeastNamedTariq]

It's the PS4, we got it already, lol. (No dGPU for XB1 guys. Unless it's so hidden that devs can't even find it, haha. It'd be nice though. But that right there just put that silly rumor down.) Got my popcorn and M&Ms. Lets see what you guys have to say.

[OrangePowerz]

The dual GPU was unrealistic from the point when MS revealed the price because the console would be more expensive with an APU that contains dual GPU.

[SniperControl]

Finally! I have been saying this since the DGPU rumor broke, if the X1 had a duel GPU, there is no way it would cost £430, you are looking around £550 - £600 mark.

Also, I would have thought that a DGPU would have more teraflops than 1.31 that MS has stated in all there tech announcements.

If the X1 had a significant power advantage compared to PS4, dont you think MS would be glouting and shouting more about it.

[Tooly]

uh oh well well well Ummmm

[Rimeskeem]

hmmmmmmmmmmm what bothers me is they wont say which one but sony keeps saying that they are positive the ps4 has the advantage

EDIT: never mind it did say but im not totally sure still

[Alexious]

Just look at the specs yourself. PS4 has 40% more raw GPU power, the remaining 10% likely comes from the GDDR5 memory.

[awesomeperson]

Haha. It's pretty clear which one is more powerful. Forget all the rumours of hidden GPUs, or whatever is spreading right now for the Xbox, those are wrong.

Look at the numbers. The numbers don't lie.

[cvflyboy]

Its not your fault. love is blind and you are in "deep" for Xbone. xbox is the systsm you get for a summer fling, ps4 is the system you get when you are ready to settle down, have kids and have security in mind. You see son.........wait? What are we talking about again?

[Dan_scruggs]

Every time I see one of these articles that obsesses over the power of the PS4 I am reminded that the Wii absolutely killed the PS3 and 360 is sales. Power doesn't matter. Innovation does. If the PS4 has that then Sony will win. But right now I have no reason to believe that will be the case.

[ABeastNamedTariq]

What's innovative to you, if I may ask?

[AceBlazer13]

Kinect and paywalls probably.

[Dan_scruggs]

Motion controls on the Wii was highly innovative. It opened up new game play possibilities and paid off huge in the end. PlayStation Move was not innovative and therefor was quickly forgotten. I remember the ads that touted "This Changes Everything". No Nintendo did that years earlier. But Sony has a very short memory. The dual screen and touch controls on the DS was wildly different when it first appeared. That creativity has spurned on to Nintendo dominating the handheld landscape even tho it is a far inferior piece of tech compared to the Vita. But power doesn't matter. Creativity does. I even understand the reason Microsoft is forcing the Kinect upon everyone with the XboxOne. The Kinect has sold millions and it barely even worked. But it was new and different. Did you know that Kinect Adventures sold 20 million copies. That is more than any PS exclusive... Ever. Wii Sports Resort sold 31 million. Sometimes what is good or fun is in the eye of the beholder and games like those that are completely unique to themselves are the one that truly excel. And simply replacing a button with touch pad with extremely limited usefulness is not what I consider and innovation. If people believe that the usefulness of that feature on the PS4 controller will go beyond "swipe to activate" and "tap to open" is fooling themselves. To me Sony's greatest enemy is its fear of taking risks with their tech. Their stance always seems to be "make it more powerful and that'll be good enough". But it didn't work with the PS3 and I doubt it'll work with the PS4.

[AceofStaves]

@Dan Scruggs - Sony doesn't take risks with their tech? For PS3, they developed the Cell processor, and the used Blu-Ray Disk as the optical format for the games.

Those aren't risks?

[SpitFireAce85]

Maybe its that the Ps3 was $599 when it launched vs 299 for the wii

[cyclindk]

Nope innovation... Sony doesnt innovate remember

[cyclindk]

Mother of god ive never seen so many blantantly ... Wrong.... Points in my life, especially in a single paragraph. What a horror it must be to have such a mind that skews reality to such an extreme as that.

Nothing funny here at all, really really disturbing level of ignorance... Innovations points alone were simply... Scary.

[xKugo]

I think you should take a look at the pre-orders for Sony and Microsoft respectively. Also if you really want to see how "innovation" equals sales then take a gander at the pre-order numbers shortly after the E3 presentations. Those innovative and futuristic policies + the revolutionary camera sure did amount to pre-orders, right? Yea.......

[kane_1371]

I barely ever leave a comment in N4G but I have to answer you ignorance.

first of all, yes I am a Sony fanboy, infact screw Playstation, I worship Sony.

Your comment about risks and innovation is stupid.

The least innovative company out there might very well be Nintendo.

So, lets get to it then.

Sony is probably the only company that has taken huge risks all together, gaming or not.

Sony Playstation is a prodyct of Nintendo's fear of the innovation, it not only was innovative but powerful and easy to program a game for.

So while Nintendo coward out og the deal Sony made the innovation, and built the first stand alone console to truely use the power of Compact Disks.
You can argue that there were others before, but none even could last 1 month in the market.

Dual Shock and Dual Analogue controllers which set the standard for the gaming the first company to actually bring these new babies to gaming was Sony, they also included Dual Shock, yet again somethingthat only Nintendo seemed to not understand and always had to add after the release of the console.

DVD

Honestly, the company responsible for the DVD to become the main platform for movies in the begining of the 21st century was and is SONY, you can argue and argue but it is so, again a new platform and a new step forward in gaming.
By this time Microsoft entered the gaming industry with Xbox and presented Live, innovative for consoles and even PCs no question there.

Oh, shocker, microsoft used both DVD and Dual Analogue in the console.

We move forward to 2006, PS3, SixAxis, not the best move but a risk taken, you think not?

Ok, well, what about Cell? Sony with PS2 felt how it is to be behind in the technology against another console so they decided to bring a stronger console to the market and not let that happen again.
Cell, something that Sony hopped for to be the next big thing but didn't happen, still, innovation in gaming and a big risk it was the reason for Sony's success in the visual division of games and proved to be strong but not worth it and they changed it for PS4.

What about Blu ray?
Again a new platform, again a risk taken while Xbox and Nintendo Coward out of it with DVD, you could say that it is because the fact that they had to pay royalities to SONY but hey so did they with DVD.

Hey i forgot about motion gaming, Playstation Eye says hello to all of you guys that talk about motion gaming.

Get this, lets forget the specs and talk about games.

Innovation in games:

I dare you to say Nintendo has innovation in itsd game divisions, same goes for Xbox.

what company would let That Game Company release Flower on its system?

What company would introduce new ips all the time?

What company would allow LBP on its system? Mind you, mm did go to other publishers too.

You look at Nintendo, all you see is Zelda, Mario, Pokemon.

You look at Xbox and it is Halo, Forza, Halo.

Sony is next to PC when it comes to new ips, there is no console manufacturer right now that is more innovative than Sony is.

[EXVirtual]

Damn. 50%. Oh snap. Xbots won't like this. Especially after Nelson got them excited. Here we go. Did you see that popcorn gif? NeoGAF is getting ready itself.
Oh and BTW, you can drop that dual GPU bullshit. The XB1 would be at least $75-$100 more.
Anyway, the difference will become more and more visible over the years. But snap! 50%. That popcorn gif is exactly what all lot of us are probably doing.

[DigitalRaptor]

The blatant lies and smoke & mirrors PR from Microsoft is never-ending, but since when have any of us been surprised by this?

Yeah, popcorn.gif ftw! http://24.media.tumblr.com/...

[Campy da Camper]

Jimmy Fallon playing killzone cracks me up. That popcorn gif hilarious.

[Rimeskeem]

Major Nelson said it wasnt 30% more powerful so i guess its 50% instead

[MisfitsInc]

that was a good explanation at the end

[Foxgod]

The X1 launch games do kind of look 50% better.
After all, forza got twice the amount of fps, at the same resolution as driveclub.

[Rimeskeem]

apparently you didnt read what he said

[ABeastNamedTariq]

"The X1 launch games do kind of look 50% better."

What?

Forza, Ryse, and Killer Instinct (I like its art style) look great. But so do Killzone, DriveClub, and Planetside 2. Let us not forget Infamous.

Also, like sckipt basically said, you either didn't read the article or are doing some damage control.

[Quicktopick]

Future Xbox employee right there

[pyramidshead]

LOL
https://twitter.com/adrianc...
Nice try foxy

[Rainstorm81]

and what about Ryse?

[Lord_Sloth]

What about it...Game looks boring as hell.

[Rainstorm81]

The Frame Rates are shitty...He's Boasting like every game is 60FPS or 1080P for that matter.

...and yes Ryse looks terrible gameplay wise. I find it funny that people were complaining about GOW QTE then go and embrace a game like Ryse

[DJMarty]

@Rainstorm81 - It was running on a Nvidia PC with specs the PAYBOX ONE don't have.

Usual MS smoke an mirrors bullsh#t.

[Enemy]

You mean the same Forza that uses fake lighting and static backdrops? It's the COD of racing games.

Funny how 60fps blinds you to the reality of things. It's like saying COD looks better than Killzone: Shadow Fall.

Everyone has told you why Forza runs at 60fps and you deny it. You look misguided by Microsoft, and foolish to ignore the facts. Stay away from tech talk if you don't know what Forza does to achieve what it achieves, which frankly, isn't next gen.

[OrangePowerz]

Forza doesn`t look good in all aspects, if you look at the vidos so far there is pop in and bad AA.

As for Ryse, the new consoles use PC architecture and Crytek usually focuses on PC games and they would be more familiar with that kind of architecture.

The 360 was closer to PC architecture compared to the PS3 that was far away from PC architecture and the MS dev teams should be more familiar with that kind of hardware right now while the Sony devs still need to learn more things because they can get more out of it.

[iliimaster]

heeeeey nice icon my man

[Kayant]

"X1 launch games do kind of look 50% better"

I haven't seen anything on XB1 that beats KZ:SF SP graphically yet.
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[KILLERAPP]

There is a reason why all multiplatforms games shown are the PS4 version, now you know why...

[FamilyGuy]

What games have you been looking at?
http://s18.postimg.org/cnfm...

[Rainstorm81]

Look at those Copy and pasted faces and soulless lifeless eyes on Ryse....SMH

IMHO Crytek is usually graphics over gameplay (not a fan of Crysis)....I cant wait til other devs start utilizing the Crytek engine

[FamilyGuy]

I'm still dumbfounded when I see people brag about Ryse and try to bring it into a battle about graphics. It looks like trash.

[CrimsonStar]

Who cares ? The ps3 and xbox360 had some beautiful games . So who cares if the Xbox1 is weaker then the ps4 its still stronger then the ps360. Did y When did this n4g turn into a bunch of Graphic whores?

[creepjack]

There are gonna be a whole lot of pissed off fanboys when they see very little difference in the games on the 2 consoles.

[Dan_scruggs]

I seem to remember the PS3 being more powerful than the 360 yet somehow having worse looking cross plat games. But memories seem to be really short these days. I suppose time will tell.

[DarkHeroZX]

@Dan

I also remember many devs not knowing how to program for the cell at all. Many still can't .

[vigilante_man]

At last! We get the low down from an actual developer. And as developers share their thoughts we know more about the differences between XB1 & PS4.

About time we had some confirmation.

Great article with some very good insights. So multi-platform games will look the same to start with. They use super PCs to start with then scale things down to fit their target systems.

Just one question: If (as seems probable) the PS4 does prove 30-50% faster then how long before gamers demand that developers produce better multi-platform games for the PS4? Surely they will have to admit they are not making the most of the PS4 and lower the prices for games on PS4. Very interesting...

[jcnba28]

Who cares which console is more powerful multiplats are going to look the same on both consoles just like current gen.

[LOL_WUT]

I'm sure if your preferred console of CHOICE was one of those two you'd be hyping it up also, too bad it's not. ;)

[jcnba28]

I have a gaming rig. Exposed clown. ;)

[The_Villager]

Gameplay > Graphics

[creepjack]

So, the PS4 is 50% more powerful and easier to develop for, yet not a single 1st or 3rd party dev has shown all the extra power in a game thus far, and assuming it's true about the ease of developing on the PS4, there is absolutely no reason they shouldn't be able to show it right now.

Yeah, sorry if I don't get excited over this crap. Show me it's more powerful, or shut the hell up. I dont play games on paper.

[ABeastNamedTariq]

It's the beginning of the generation. Hell, the generation didn't even start (unless you count Wii U. I technically do, but that's besides the point)!

Also, dat in-engine The Order trailer.

EDIT:

@creep (below)

"...there still is no title on the PS3 that show the immense difference in power Sony claimed to have."

0_o

The Last of Us. God of War 3/Ascension. Uncharted 2/3. Heavy Rain! Beyond, which, to me, looks even better than TLOU (both still look fantastic). There's your power difference. You gotta be kidding me.

Especially GOW. It has friggin amazing graphics that more than hold up to today. At 60 frames. The scope is amazing.

EDIT 2 (gotta save a bubble):

@ExCest

TLOU's cutscenes were in-engine. Yeah, they looked a bit better because they're pre-rendered and have better/different physics, film grain, and a little more detail. But there was basically a small amount of disparity between the game and its cutscenes. I don't thin you can call it CGI, but I get what you're saying, sort of. If TLOU is anything to go by, The Order is still going to look nothing short of absolutely amazing.

[ExCest]

True, true. I consider Wii U next gen as well.

But in-engine trailers mean nothing. BF3 had in-engine cutscenes and even the highest-end enthusiast-class PC won't run the game looking like that because the engine isn't designed to pump that amount of detail in-game.

In-engine just shows you the power of the engine, not the console. You might as well just call it CGI.

Even though, nice looking trailer.

[creepjack]

I don't care when if it's the beginning of the generation or the end, if they cant show me through games that it is more powerful, then all this talk is completely irreverent.

It was the same thing as last gen, of the PS3 is so much more powerful than the 360 because of the cell, and now that this generation is over, realistically and technically, there still is no title on the PS3 that show the immense difference in power Sony claimed to have.

[Foxgod]

O yes, the whole wait until "game"....
I thought you guys would have known better by now...

That argument was used during the entire life cycle of the ps3.

Also, none of the games you mentioned look better then Halo 4, Gears or Forza, its all around the same.
You would have known that if you had a game pc that shows what a difference really looks like.

[ABeastNamedTariq]

@Foxgod

No "wait until" game. He's just acting like the beginning of the generation games should look like the end of the generation games. To me, at least.

"Also, none of the games you mentioned look better then Halo 4, Gears or Forza, its all around the same."

The denial is strong in you man.

Halo 4 looks bright and amazing, yes. But looking better than Beyond or TLOU? I beg to differ.

Gears looks fine too. And it's fun (I love it). But looking better than God of War: Ascension? I beg to differ.

Forza? Beautiful. I don't think you can compare a racing game to anything else other than another racer. GT5 and 6, especially 6, in my opinion, look better than Forza 4 (the premium cars in regards to GT5).

I've said it before, I'll say it again. TLOU and Beyond show the power difference. I see no match to Beyond on current gen (besides TLOU at an extremely close second).

Also. I love how you're first trying to reject the statements of the article, then suddenly switch to "my PC is stronger than both next gen consoles, whatever" (I'm paraphrasing), as if you haven't been a MS fanboy and are suddenly uncaring about the statements made.

Denial.

Beyond. The Last of Us. God of War: Ascension.

[Rainstorm81]

Give it a year....Launch games wont show much but the Witcher 3 looks phenomenal in all its Next gen goodness

[Quicktopick]

I smell butthurt in this area

[Enemy]

Well, considering Killzone: Shadow Fall is graphically superior to every Xbox One game shown so far, it's safe to say you have no idea what you're talking about. I'd go as far as to say it's leagues beyond anything on Xbox One. Read up on the tech if you want to be left with tears streaming down your face.

Forza? Last gen experience with weird, overdone, pre-baked cartoony lighting, low res textures, static background, reflections on mirrors vanishing, etc. All that cheating to achieve 60fps and it still has pop ups.
Ryse? Very, very bland. Not even recognized for anything other than QTEs and glitches at this point.
Dead Rising? Having a bunch brain-dead zombies on screen doesn't make you next gen, especially when your frame rate is taking a hit.

I'm really curious what it is that you guys are bragging about when none of your games compare to what we've seen from Sony so far.

Stay tuned for TGS as well.

[DigitalRaptor]

Two words.

Deep Down.

http://www.vgleaks.com/wp-c...
http://www.lightninggamingn...
http://www.vgleaks.com/wp-c...

After this news, don't be surprised if that is the quality we're going to see. inFamous: Second Son already looks and performs far better than every Xbox One exclusive, especially considering it's open-world.
http://i.minus.com/ibuFuF5n...
http://i.minus.com/ibt6JJeI...

@ Foxgod - you are delusional.

[strifeblade]

Two words. "DEEP S**T"

And thats exactly what your in if you dont live in japan. Deep down is confirmed to be a japan only rpg game- yes that means its written in japanese and in case you diddnt know, reading is important in an rpg.

Toodles

[JBaby343]

^^
What you said means absolutely nothing. In a conversation about graphical capabilities the language a game is presented in is irrelevant. It shows what the system is capable of no matter what language. The game looks incredible.

Toodles

P.S. Yes Foxgod is quite delusional.

[FamilyGuy]

I'm still surprised people are able to argue against what Sony's shown. It's like they're in the truest form of denial. I'm lost for words how they can just not be impressed by this stuff.

Also, "Deep down is confirmed to be a japan only rpg game"

When and where was this "confirmed"? We first saw the game at the initial Sony reveal and it was completely in ENGLISH, no subtitles whatsoever. Talk about extreme denial, now we've got guys claiming great looking games won't be localized from Japan. LMMFAO

[pwnsause_returns]

"Also, "Deep down is confirmed to be a japan only rpg game"

Never thought denial would be big on this thread....

[strifeblade]

Google is your friend guys. Deep down got slim chances coming state side. Why do you think the games a no show at e3 and gamescom but at tgs? lol

http://www.forbes.com/sites...

[Potato2]

Killzone Shadow Fall, Infamous Second Sun, Driveclub and Planetside 2 show off the power of the ps4.

[Xsilver]

@Creepjack so aren't all multiplatform games running on PS4 like watch dogs and AC4 im pretty sure that shows that its easy to develop for because i have yet to see the xbox versions of those games.
@fox omg ur the most die hard xbot i've ever seen damn u said halo 4 like it was graphic phenomenon when damn sure wasn't i mean seriously dude uncharted two blows that out the water if u wanna bring up graphics.

[Deelow]

If you haven't looked at Killzone: Shadow Fall's announcement gameplay, or any gameplay since, you're seriously not being objective. I mean am I the only guy who has every console each generation? AM I the only one who has a PC with hdmi out hooked to his TV? Sure 360 was easy to develop for, has good exclusives and some multi-platforms look a hare better on 360. 1st party games on both look awesome, I have to say though The Last of Us was the most impressive game I've played this generation. I loved Halo Reach and only played Mass Effect on 360, but that game blew them out of the water. Others have said this and I'll say it again for the cheap seats: This generation is just starting, Wii U hasn't done great, probably by forcing many of it's games to be played on an uncomfortable game pad. It's underpowered, lacks dev support and generally is known as a kids console. This November we all get the chance to decide which console we're getting first. I've watched every press conference live, then via replay at the highest resolution on my 55" LED TV so I can see and understand what differences there are now. Best looking game I've seen was Killzone: Shadow Fall, with everything else being a mixed bag. Does Forza look good? Yeah, always has. Does Ryse look good? Looks like something we could see on 360 or PS3 personally. I could argue all day about what I thought I saw, with guys who just want to fight because they're angry. Hell I get it, you've been lied to, promised this new gaming future, had the story change, had Sony fanboys criticize your allegiance and kick you while you're down. I'm in the military and I work with a diverse group of gamers, who all agree Sony has won the PR war here for sure. out of 20 people, 18 are getting the PS4. I asked them why, and there response was simple: Sony hasn't changed their story. Am I getting the Xbox One? Hell yeah, just not until I see some consistency from them. Rant over...

[Golden30]

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[My_Outer_Heaven]

PS4 is more powerful on paper, there is no doubt in that. Microsoft are in denial for saying it doesn't matter but it will in 2-3 years time when games start showing a massive difference in fidelity and graphics. It's just a matter of time. Same thing happened with PS3 and PS3 games at the end of its cycle still look amazing.

[urwifeminder]

Devs say a lot of things the xb1 will do me fine.

[Megaton]

Dunno why anyone would have thought otherwise just because Major Switchflip spewed a bit more PR. This is all measurable hardware. We're not talking about blast processing, teh cell, or the power of the cloud. Hardware with hard numbers showing the PS4 is significantly stronger. All the Microsoft spin the world can't erase those facts.

[Foxgod]

Actually, my pc is significantly stronger then the ps4 and x1.
The difference between the x1 and ps4 is futile at best.

When it comes to consoles, the only "more" value you can get, come from playing exclusives, as graphically the differences will hardly be noticeable.

[Megaton]

Well it's good to hear Xbox fans say that exclusive games matter again. Been years since that has happened. I have a feeling the sentiment will fade once Sony starts delivering the best console lineup year after year as they did with the PS3.

Doesn't it feel good to at least pretend to care about games, though? Don't be so quick to abandon it this time around.

[True_Samurai]

This doesn't make me care of which console is more powerful does this make me a non-true gamer? :-(

[Hicken]

Lack of punctuation makes you a non-true gamer.

Seriously, though, we know you don't care about which is more powerful because it's the PS4 that's more powerful. Had it been the XB1 instead, you'd be singing a different tune.

[True_Samurai]

Didn't realize this was a grammar site lol but of course I would just for the fun of it. :-) but that shouldn't matter cause we're fellow gamer friends right?

[YNWA96]

That means I get 50 % better games!

True Ninja, it only makes you 50% less gamer. Only those who play Sony consoles and nothing else ever, can call themselves purestock gamers. Video games even did not exist before PS1.

[Flutterby]

No you are getting an Xbox one remember , the guy said the ps4 is the better console lol

[latincooker214]

well said;)

[wiz7191]

Who really cares about what's more powerful multiplats gonna look the same regardless and they both gonna succeed .. all these speculations and the consoles aren't even out yet

[6DEAD6END6]

Whatever help you sleep at night lol.

http://m.quickmeme.com/meme...

[Fergusonxplainsall]

Major Nelson grabs the mic and yells
"No! No!(laughs)Because.."

Then he flies away on his thunderbird, beyond the clouds and is never seen again.

[danny818]

Its funny how its more powerful. Microsoft pr people are lying to everyone. Smh. Ps4 it is man. Not because its powerful but because its cheaper, better, more variety of first party games and people at sony seem so transparent

[Npugz7]

I'm curious to see if Dice is gonna make BF4 look better on the PS4 or keep it the same as the Xbox1??

[Foxgod]

It wont surprise me if the X1 version looks better, Dice their engine is highly optimized for Direct-X.
Not so much for OpenGL like library's.

[pyramidshead]

http://i.imgur.com/7uemYsW....

[KonsoruMasuta]

*Yawn* I love the PS4 and I'm getting it day one but let's stop with the spec war articles. Graphics don't make the game. It's mostly about the gameplay. Let's compare games instead.

If I thought graphics was the only thing needed to make a good game I would game on my PC more often.

[fghtrer3fb5erg]

No offence but if you dont care about graphics why you buying a ps4 then? :P

[Elit3Nick]

Umm let's see..:
Your favorite games
All or most of your friends are on it
You are like most of the fanboys on this site, who believe that power is more important then everything else...

[KonsoruMasuta]

Better games.

Infamous, Kill zone, DC.

Not to mention Sony gets more JRPGS than MS.

[strigoi814]

Grabs popcorn...now this is something interesting to watch

[deadfrag]

This is just stupid frankly!People with brains already know for sometime that the PS4 is more powerfull all around than the X1.!!If the X1 was actually more powerfull Microsoft will never would had made overclocks to the Gpu AND Cpu to try to match the PS4.Among other moves!

[shadyiswin]

im sure there will be a huge difference,considering the ps3 was much more powerful than the 360 and there was to no difference,but the xb1 and ps4 are almost exactly a like,in all studies the ps4 would only get more fps which is not a big deal at all,idk why everyone is expecting a huge difference and on top of that the xb1 games look much better out the gate,and graphics never mattered anyways,you could not pay m to choose psn over xbox live,facts are facts.

[Sarobi]

Alright with this said.. does this draw out the whole speculation that Xbox One has a dGPU? (I know that the whole dGPU speculation is a far fetched rumor, just feel like asking though)

[FungalPsychosis]

Yeah it pretty much debunks it unless devs aren't even aware of a dGPU (which I seriously doubt).

[JuniorCE]

Microsoft would've said it by now if it was true....

[Crypt0ll7]

This is not happening,no dGPU for X1.

[Flutterby]

Hmmmmmmm there seems to be a lot of Xbox one fans now not caring about the ps4 having better hardware by a massive 50% , yet a few of them just the other day where getting excited about the rumor of the Xbox one dGPU and how much better the games will be compared to the ps4 , so now specs don't matter again huh guys ? Ps4 is in fact 50% better in performance than the Xbox one we all know this and have known this for a while let's just put it to rest and get on with games.

[Quicktopick]

lol. I agree with yah

[Alexious]

They're not used to be this underpowered, though.

The original Xbox came out riding the wave of "most powerful" console, and Xbox360 managed to be within range of PlayStation 3 even though it came out a year before. To launch along PS4, and be a lot less powerful, must be almost shocking for them.

[Destrania]

Oh snap bro!

[OhhWerd]

Whoop deeee friggin doooooo

[JunioRS101]

It's strange... I can't seem to stop smiling?

[LordDhampire]

I was expecting him to say microsoft, since people can fly some gears of war work

shocking

[ziggurcat]

ruh roh, xbox fanboys aren't going to like this...

cue the cries of, "bu-bu-but dGPU! september 29 NDA!"

[ziggurcat]

and there we have it, people:

http://n4g.com/user/useract...

[MultiConsoleGamer]

First NeoGAF said it was 30%, then certain users on that forum started saying 40% without backing their reason for the increase, now suddenly a gaf regular claims 50%.

Complete and utter bullshit. Pure pulp fiction.

Should I delve into the long history GAF? First for being a Sony cheerleading squad and the second is being wrong about everything.

Edit: Oh and look, one of those no name sites you only see on N4G has already made a story out of this. What a surprise.

[Codey47]

Lemme guess, if the xbox one was the 50% more powerful, according to NEOGaf .....you'd be standing on a fifty foot plinth right about now (funk soul brother)

You guys can clutch at straws as much as you want...but when many devs have nothing but praise for the PS4 you can not ignore it.

At the moment Major "never seen a day at war" Nelson is the only one with praise for "his" own machine...apart from the rose tinted spectacle disciples, of course.

[MultiConsoleGamer]

You're not familiar with my comments on this forum are you?

What I cannot ignore is obvious agenda driven bullshit, which has now been discredited much like your own integrity.

And if GAF said Xbone was %100 more powerful I would still be skeptical because of the way this story was revealed.

[Codey47]

My apologies MCG I really have better things to do.... like tidy out my sock drawer as opposed to rifling through and making a mental almanac of your post history.

My integrity has been destroyed...

FML

Oh and btw the disagree you recieved is not from myself. I ain't that petty.

[mediate-this]

Lol@ a day at war. A little to serious

[wishingW3L]

the story is not from a gaf source, it's from the Twitter of a real developer that have worked on games like Gears of War and Bulletstorm.

[Truth]

Shhh... don't tell MultiConsoleGamer that. The fact that a developer that worked on an XBOX exclusive game saying the PS4 is more powerful might make his head explode.

[MultiConsoleGamer]

Nice personal attack "truth."

Also, have you been paying attention to this story or the comments? First, the person in question claimed his "unnamed friend" said the system was more powerful. He has no direct experience. Second, no one is questioning the gap in power, only the horse shit that surrounds this highly suspcious story and the %50 claim which is an obvious lie.

But hey, you being named "truth" isn't ironic at all. No really, it isn't.

[optimus]

i'm curious to know how this got approved when it isn't an article, it's a thread in a forum by someone who posted a tweet by some guy who has "developer friends"...

just a couple of days ago someone posted a "story" and it was from a neogaf thread and n4g failed it stating that it wasn't a story and they don't allow links to thread posts...yet here we are and this one is heating up???

[wishingW3L]

Reviews from personal blogs and web forums do not count as a legit source ---unless the person is an industry professional---.

http://n4g.com/site/newsgui...

And the guy is the creative director of Gears of War and Bulletstorm.

[Angels3785]

This guy even says ps3 has the best graphics too...puts the last of us above anything on xb360...

[Ctiboi2010]

No offense man but I think you missed his point of him mentioning The Last of Us. He was pointing out that the Xbox 360's graphical advantage over the PS3 didn't stop developers from making such a great game as The Last of Us on the Sony platform. He was trying to draw a parallel between the current gen and the next gen, clearly stating that pure hardware advantages don't necessarily translate into the best games. The Last of Us is a beast of a game because of the developers.

That brings me to my point of developers for this gen. There seems to be a lot more focus on multi platform games next gen then ever before, but I still worry about Microsoft's investments into great AAA games for next gen. This gen they tapered off the great games the last year or two of the 360's life span. I hope they invested more into this gen to make the great games last throughout its entire cycle.

I'm looking forward to all of the innovative things the Xbox One is bringing to the table ( I know there are some gamers on this site that disagree, you're entitled to your own opinion, please don't bash me for mine) but as a fellow gamer I will not lie and say this hasn't been a worry of mine. Guess I'll have to wait and see, l'm optimistic but if they don't deliver the games for the years to come there's always other options.

Either way, I"m looking forward to the arrival of the next gen consoles, we're all gonna be in for a treat!

[Persistantthug]

@Ctiboi2010,

The PS3 is also more powerful (slightly) than the XBOX 360 because of the Cell Processor, which is a Power PC based cpu (Power PC based CPUs have an unusually high GFlop capability compared to X86 cpus).

In the PS4 and XBOX One's case, they are using X86 Cpus, which don't have the advantage of carrying high GFlop rates and capabilities. So with those sytems, their GPUs are their primary sourse of "graphic calculations".

So the Parallel isn't apples to apples here.

However, I do agree that Naughty Dog's skills and abilities is the primary difference maker.

[Ctiboi2010]

@Persistantthug

Good point, the architecture of the new consoles will be different and more similar to each other compared to last gen, so if that's the case I guess the developers will really have to work a lot more with the Xbox One in order to get the games exactly how they want it. Still, judging by the games I don't believe the 30%-50% claims in power advantage that I've seen on this site.

I do have an honest question though, how to companies like Microsoft and Sony decide on what type of hardware to put in their systems? There's never been a situation between where one game system graphically annihilates the other. Do they discuss it with each other and make agreements? or is it all based on cost effectiveness? I mean, what's stopping one company from stripping a system down to bare bones (I.E removing focus on software and extra features) and putting all of their money on the tech to make a very powerful console? Any Ideas?

By the way, thanks for replying in an intelligent manner. It's easy to have a civil conversation when someone doesn't immediately jump down your throat over a game console lol.

[warewolfSS]

Gonna be alot of disappointed Sony fanboys when the games don't smoke the competition.

[C-Thunder]

There isn't going to be a single disappointed PS4 owner.

[warewolfSS]

Good cause that includes me. I'm just not a lunatic like the rest of you.

[jhoward585]

Reggie was right about one thing...its all about the games guys.

So which ever company invests the most money in game development wins.

So far Sony is in the lead.

[Alexious]

Sony has the biggest (and arguably, the best) first party studio roster, so yes, over the years I'm confident that the lineup will prove absolutely stunning.

[Fergusonxplainsall]

This just in...

Major Nelson has responded with " No, it's not."

[ziggurcat]

nothing he's said has been true in the last few months - remember the infamous, "you can't just flip a switch" comment? he's paid to up sell anything xbox, so he can say anything he wants, but the truth is (as it's been a known fact since may/june) that PS4 is more powerful.

[wishingW3L]

he's just a PR guy. He probably knows less about technology than most users from N4G. lol

[Supermax]

And it still won't matter in the end.

[xDHAV0K24x]

Lol u ppl act as if the x1 is as powerful as the wiiu. Gtfo. Go about ur gaming like ur sexual preference cuz Nobody should care

[RE_L_MAYER]

im glad most of us choose the path of good

PS4EVER

[Fergusonxplainsall]

Shhh..Be quiet. Major Nelson just teleported in to your bathroom.

Don't look at him and he'll go away.

He thinks he's Candyman.

[RE_L_MAYER]

he is throwing AAA at me what do I do???

[ElementX]

I think the path of Good would be to own a decent gaming pc, PS3, Vita, 3DS, PS4, and Xbox One like I am going to. To be Good would be to appreciate the strengths of each platform. I can play any possible exclusive except Wii U and I can always get the best version of any game. The path of Good would also be to quit arguing, trolling, and "grabbing popcorn" every time there's a scandalous article.

[Destrania]

Next-gen begins and ends with PS4.

[6DEAD6END6]

I feel so sorry for you Xbox fanboys lol

http://m.quickmeme.com/meme...

[RE_L_MAYER]

lol the evilest episode ever

[TheMailman]

Xbox One Plus in two years confirmed..

[thetruthx1]

Hahahaha the Sony race think this is a victory but like I said before the only developers who have access to the latest SDK and also the final SDK are Crytek, Capcom, and EA

None of the launch titles will use the dgpu but we'll still find out about it at the end of this month and I can't wait :)

[ziggurcat]

1. there is no dGPU.

2. that's nonsense. why would only a specific number of studios working on xbone games have access to the latest SDK? prove it or sit down.

edit: either you're greenpowerz in disguise or you're just as delusional.

[thetruthx1]

MS has just released it to developers because they tried to keep it a secret ubisoft got theirs late too I forgot to mention them

The info still leaked by the same guy who in 2012 knew Sony was going with off the shelf PC parts and 8 gigs of ram. He was also right about DRM before it was really discussed

Notice how Xbox One hasn't shown any multiplats? It's because Xbox One has technical features in it from AMD's new graphics cards that will be unveiled on 9/25

The NDA will be lifted this month and that's why MS is starting to drop hints that there are things inside the console that haven't been discussed yet

[Codey47]

If there is of course a non-disclosure agreement

then why the fuck do you know about it?

[ziggurcat]

@ thetruthx1:

1. You're still spouting a lot of BS. There's no way that only certain studios would have access to the latest SDK. Prove it with evidence.

2. Does this person happen to be misterx? Because that idiot has been wrong about everything.

3. Sony's hardware is highly customized, they are not using off-the-shelf oarts. Again, prove it or sit down.

4. I am going to revel in the fact that you are horribly wrong when this imaginary NDA (which you have not proven actually exists) turns out to be nothing we already didn't know - that the PS4 is way more powerful than xbone.

5. The reason 3rd party games haven't been shown on xbone is a lot simpler than your delusions are telling you - and it's not because of some imaginary NDA/dGPU or nonsensical exclusive SDK distribution. You really have no bloody clue how games get made, do you... All studios working on any title for any platform have the same access to hardware, etc...

[Nekroo91]

here comes the truth with his BS about the dual gpu, even penello said they re not giving 30%advantage at the ps4 because they are the best developing SOFTWARE! they are trying to extract the power through coding, so no the hardware isnt better.

stop fuckin dreaming lad if MS PRS are saying one thing about can you believe in that.

Oh yes talking about EA you remember what Nfs rivals dev said that the ps4 had better hardware and he was going to use it.

Games will look the same for 5 years

Now , grow up accept reality and dont make a fool out of yourself again and again

[mediate-this]

Truth is we wont know anything till both systems are out. Speculating on consoles that are not out yet. Its non-sensical b.s.

Wait till both are out and there are analysis done on both

[Codey47]

what...like the 12gb ram rumour/rumor...we all know how that turned out.

[Tooly]

*Facepalm* Somebody Get him some smellinq salt his knocked out.I think hes dreaminq

[Jeffwiggle]

It also could be inline with the insider saying that most devs won't have access to stereo drivers until end of month. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

[BitbyDeath]

Funny you say that since Call of Duty is said to look a lot better on PS4.

"The developer told me the PS4 is 40 percent more powerful than Xbox One and games like Call of Duty Ghosts will be noticeably different out of the gate."

http://www.forbes.com/sites...

EA still credible or are they Sony fanboys too?

[mkis007]

After this month is over and no announcement comes your 62 day old account will no longer be in open. Odd that's just about 2 months; It's like you want a way out.

[mochachino]

What's funny is that people are actually drinking MSs koolaid and questioning whether PS4 is more powerful.

They're not making all these last minute clocking changes for no reason. They're scarfed that you'll see perceptible differences in the near future.

Why pay more for less gaming power.

[MatriXcian]

WOW devs come out and acknowledge the fact that the PS4 is 50% more powerful and you have Xbox180 fanboys in here still in denial. 50% more power is quite alot and now that its been admitted from a nuetral source who has also spoken to other nuetral sources it might as well be labeled fact. The fact is when you buy one PS4 your getting almost two Xbox Ones.

[Supermax]

And you still won't notice a difference in multiplatform games even at the end of the next generation.

[dolkrak]

You're dreaming if you think you won't notice a 50% power difference. This time architectures are similar, so you would have to spend time to make the PS4 version look bad on purpose if you wanted people not to notice.

It won't happen, you will see the 50% difference quite easily.

[Kratos_1986]

yeah keep that dream going lol

[Jeffwiggle]

I can't wait until the devs have full access to both Xbox1/ps4 hardware. Exciting times too look forward too.

[gamertk421]

Xbox One will still be better, because that's what I'll be playing.

[Supermax]

And you still won't have any difference in multiplatform games.

[testerg35]

How do you guys decide which "dev" to listen to? Is just live when you guys decide an site is credible when they review positive for a PS3/vita game and then they suck later on when they review negative.

[Truth]

Oh I don't know... maybe because he was the creative director for Gears of War and has absolutely no reason to say the PS4 is more powerful. What are you smoking?

[Kratos_1986]

playstation all the way

[Nocando]

So why didn't Microsoft develop a more powerful machine? It's not like it's impossible for them to achieve. I am admittedly a little disappointed with the hardware of the X1. May be cancelling my X1 preorder and just staying PC.

[Kratos_Thy_God]

SO MUCH FOR DGPU, FUCKING ITIOTS!

[gamertk421]

Says the guy who wrote "itiots."

[mkis007]

It's a pun IT-iots- Information technology idiots...ok maybe not.

[LetoAtreides82]

Believe in the Cloud and thou shalt be saved when the world ends!

[Reem]

Poor bots can't live with the reality and hide in lala land. Bots it will be much better for your feelings if you simply accept that PS 4 will maul xbone. Sad but true but you gotta live with it so keep ya heads up

[younglj01]

Lol this article going too break records....

[LiquidM3taL]

Unfortunately the problem here is that even if the PS4 version is superior and will obviously be my console of choice, development of these games and releasing them is very likely to not change. Indulge me for a second: If one studio is working on one multiplatform game for XB1 and PS4, even if the PS4 version is complete and fully debugged and runs smoother and everything, it still wont release any earlier because the company will want one launch across all platforms even if the PS4 version of said game is able to be launched 2-3 months earlier. So the difference then is just in the small details which the average gamer wont notice, and your co-workers will still all be talking about XB1 and how awesome call of dooty is on it. #shitneverchanges

[cell989]

This is sad but true, the gimped xbone will be holding the PS4 down, MS will pressure publishers to play even

[Metfanant]

this won't sit well with the second GPU crowd....

[OOG]

they will be fine.... under that rumor a majority of devs dont know or have access to the second gpu yet.... but once the end of the month comes we will all know where everything stands.... until then its just he said she said.

[Metfanant]

well, on Planet Earth we already know where "everything stands." I cant speak for those that choose to live with their head in the...clouds...

[OOG]

Meh in all honesty you all sound foolish talking in certainty .... pretty sure the systems changed in august/september last gen as well so don't be surprised.

Instead of being weird D bags concerned about power everyone should be excited to get new games and wait till the consoles are released to pass final judgements.

[s8anicslayer]

Just like he said no matter how much more power one has over the other all multiplat games will be developed so that there is minimal difference. So with that being said it will be up to first party devs l8ke Naughty to justify the PS4's power gap!

[sAVAge_bEaST]

oh great, so we're going to get gimped (3rd party)games, because of the xbone,.. more reason's to love the Ps4, more reason's to loathe the xbone.

[JohnS1313]

Of course the PS4 is 50% more powerful. Now will the third party developers use all that powerful or keep doing what they've been doing to the PS3?

[IanVanCheese]

Meh, as much as I don't trust MS to be honest about the power difference, this is the equivalent of someone saying they know a guy who has a friend who said that dogs can't look up.

[NateCole]

Can we just let this rest now?. Lets just leave it that the PS4 is more powerful.

Power however is of no use if the talent is not there. Since this is Sony they have the best talent as well.

We should all just agree on this now and just let this go.

[bigboirock]

let this go tell atleast the 29th of sep then everything will change

[sic_chops]

Belking must be avoiding this article like the plague.

[Lykon]

ouch that's gotta hurt.

[Max-Zorin]

The PS4 is gonna be more powerful and Superman will never have a great video game. We knew this already.

[kingPoS]

As Johnny Storm used to say.

FLAME ON!

This console debate sure is getting hot.

[iliimaster]

magical and fancy words dont change the fact that the ps4 is more powerful and 100$ less idk about a free game its still 100$ more and a less powerful system screw kinnect its not worth it to me

[bigboirock]

have you even tried the kinnect 2 so how do you know if it will be good or not

[iliimaster]

i had kinnect 1.0 and my friend its a gimmick.... ive had the wii and ps3 motion its a nice little tiny add on but thats it... to slap on an extra 100 for a webcam ur kidding urself

[ooquis]

This is why i said the ps4 BF4 could do 1080p. M$ got EA by the balls.if EA used the full potential of the ps4 it would obviously look better than xboxone version,i don't think M$ would be very happy about that!

[TXIDarkAvenger]

OP missed his chance to say "Devs say One console is more powerful". Oh how things would of stirred up so fast.

[No_Limit]

NOOOOOOOO! XB1 Pre Oder canceled...NOT! :)

Enjoy the extra 50% speed, PS4 owners. I envy you. :)

[OC_MurphysLaw]

this thread will just keep getting ugly...I read the 3rd update from Adrian over at GAF and he clearly stated he is talikng about development. that fact will be lost here... oh well... the reality is this changes nothing.

[Metfanant]

he does however, clearly state the PS4 is more powerful...

[Mkai28]

@Dlacy13g, I am assuming he was talking the gpu, something we already knew. To be honest I don't think this guy even worked on next gen hardware. (Ex people can fly dev)That would explain why other devs telling him about the performance difference or development difference..he isn't under NDA and able to say such things.. I do believe PS4 has an GPU advantage/ memory over the X1.

That article doesn't make since, sounds like he was talking about the GPU ..

[OC_MurphysLaw]

I agree with everything we know the PS4 has an advantage when we look at specs. I don't believe you will ever see that advantage shine on multiplats and so like this gen exclusives will be the differentiator of the consoles. Pick a side or buy both and enjoy some great games.

[Smokingunz]

At the end of the day it doesn't matter because they will both have the same games and graphics a side from first part games

[cell989]

I chuckled a little when I read "but direct x... teh cloud...Major Nelson said he can't wait for blah blah blah"

People numbers don't lie!! No matter how much you sugar coat it, the facts remain

It does suck to know many multi plats will not potentially be developed better just because the gimped xbone will hold it back, we know Microsoft will be pressuring devs to keep things even on both consoles, do their gem doesn't start showing the brown edges

[i3eyond the Circle]

Ah..these comments.

Hate to say there might be some suicides soon or school shootings.

"Those slick son of a bitches.." a statement from a good tech friend of mine almost a year ago.

Who knows wtf I'm talking about tho...only speculate

Good day back to diablo 3.

[AO1JMM]

So who is this friend and why should I care what he says?

[wishingW3L]

cus he's the creative director of Gears of War and Bullestorm, so his friends are most likely from Epic.

[Magicite]

But Major Nelson is sure that power of da cloud can even out the difference :(

[Izzy408]

His "dev friends claim"... ok. Is that all we know?

[Magicite]

Yes! PS2 era is coming back, Its Playstation Domination Time!
With x360 being forgotten and xOne being inferior,
Wii and WiiU lacking any decent games,
PS3 and PS4 will dominate next years and next gen.

[IanVanCheese]

You know market dominance is never a good thing right? That's how MS became such money grubbing bastards in the first place.

[horndog]

So this guy isn't even a.dev but his dev friends say ps4 is 50% faster? Where does it say 50% more powerfull? Sony fanboys are so desperate.to beleive anyrhing that says ps4 is better. Guy is pulling crap out of his ass and the fanboys gobble it all up. Lol! The games shown speak for themselves.

[wishingW3L]

he was the creative director of Gears of War Judgement and Bulletstorm. And he works at "People Can Fly" which is a game development studio. 0_O

And he's not the only one saying this either, to the list you can include:

Jonathan Blow reporting on their dev friends saying the same.
NFS guy.
The DICE guy.
Avalanche guy.

[jah-Fu]

What does his face say? It says watch guys Sony is uncut and i'm gonna gargle it!

[bjmartynhak]

At the end of the day, even if the specs were the opposite between consoles, I would stick with PS4 first because the first-party studios. I think is THE THING with PS.

[whowantasomewang]

I kind of had my suspicions. So much for MS damage control

[DoesUs]

LOL. Only saying it how it is...More powerful and easier to develop for. Its not a secret.

[rebelxs]

Seriously I've been a huge Xbox supporter and I don't buy into this second gpu fantasy.I wish it were true but it is what it is.I've dug through enough forums on this subject to know that the system bandwidth wouldn't support such a configuration. Thats why they chose the gpu they did so the system wouldn't have any stalls or bottlenecks.

I don't know how Microsoft is going to spin this.They're marketing it as an all in one entertainment device but at a premium cost.I mean were not talking about a 2 or 300 $ casual gaming system. Hardcore gamers are the early adopters who drive your system sales! I mean 50% more power on paper might not translate into huge real world performance but its a hell of a marketing incentive for a system with a 100$ less price tag.

Beyond the hardware specs though it seems Sony wants my money more than MS.I think the best thing I heard was the fact that digital downloads of games would be significantly cheaper than retail!

[vigilante_man]

Imagine just how powerful the XB1 could be if MS spent just half of their massive Kinnect 2 R&D budget on more GPU grunt.

Sony focused on games this time around. MS are going for other markets. Hope it works out for both of them..

[leogets]

the only time ms won more powerful system was with Xbox beating ps2.. still ps2 outsold xbox and still kept in development.. moral of the story " Sony are beast and ms are a f..kin choir boy in comparison "

[Mr_Luke]

Good, then i made the right choice about my next gen console. And even if it's fake/temporary/something else, i'm sure the PS4 is the best one for me =P

[Ukdude]

Wait until the consoles come out, judge for yourselves.
If the Sexbox one does have a secret GPU then we will know when techies take the console apart when launched.(pretty soon after launch)
Question: Why would Microsoft pay AMD 600m more for an inferior architecture???
They've already announced other components we didnt know about (8 gig flash etc).
Theres a reason why there keeping there cards close to there chest and personally I don't think its because of whats the PS4 has got under its bonnet.
Rhyse looks far better than anything ps4 has demoed.
Inferior hardware/developing tools? MY ARSE!

[1nsomniac]

I'm calling for major Nelsons head!

He should be dropped for so blatantly lying about the Xbone surely this breaches false advertising as everything is under such strict NDA so we only have their word to go by & if their selling a products under false pretences then that my friends is illegal.

[mmj]

Anyone who has done any research into what GPU Microsoft/Sony have purchased from AMD have known this for months. The PS4 GPU is much higher specced whereas Microsoft have wasted die space needing ESRAM to compensate for their choice of using shitty DDR3.

[vigilante_man]

Hey all good PCs use that "shitty DDR3" so please go easy... and MS are using very fast DDR3 2133.

PS4 also considered using ESRAM configuration. They said they could get max speeds of 1,000 not 204 or 192. But decided to go for overall fast unified GDDR5.

Remember, XB1 has over half its R&D budget on Kinnect 2. Imagine just how close to PS4 power they could of got, if not more.

Both are amazing compared to 360/PS3.

[The_Villager]

PC gamer here, just wanted to say thanks for the laughs sony fanboys lol

[fsfsxii]

I guess he haven't seen TitanFall.

[Codey47]

Well you can keep that because in my opinion IW fucked up call of duty by stifling any innovation Grey Matter introduced to the series many years ago. With any luck Respawn will remain xbox exclusive for many years to come. Titanfall is Call of Duty meets Crysis on PCP and Amphetamines.

And Craig667 did you not read the tweets and the update in the red box above?

And tbph I definitely won't buy an xbox even if it had quad gpu's due to the fact that Microsoft's underhanded draconian measures. And also due to the fact that Microsoft haven't had a worthy exclusive since Kinect was released many moons ago.

[CRAIG667]

Did anyone read the article fully? He DID NOT SAY PS4 HAS A HARDWARE ADVANTAGE!!!!

He said devs were finding it much quicker to develop on, it has great tools in place, and that Microsoft would likely catch up soon///

[joeorc]

@CRAIG667

"Did anyone read the article fully? He DID NOT SAY PS4 HAS A HARDWARE ADVANTAGE!!!!

See description:

http://i.imgur.com/MdsuCAK....

and not only is the ps4 have the hardware advantage but as of right now , its even faster to develop on.

you cannot get any more clear than this. im sure other developers experience with both platform may have a outlook on both platforms, but the common theme is the ps4 has the hardware advantage.

[CRAIG667]

Read the full article dude, scroll down, he elaborates further on what he was saying.

Personally I think the PS4 is certainly more powerful however that won't stop me from wanting to play Microsoft exclusives, it's as simple as that.

[InTheZoneAC]

I'm still not understanding why xbots are upset.

Just jump ship back to playstation, just like when you left playstation...

enjoy the best...again...

[sync90]

Now will you STFU Major Nelson!

[Keregan]

Lol, a nobody Dev claim his nobody dev friends said Ps4 is 50% more powerful than xbox one. Only the dummies on N4G can take that kind of hearsays for granted. Sony drones are really the worst kind of fan...even worst than the Habs fans.

[joeorc]

@Keregan

"Lol, a nobody Dev claim his nobody dev friends said Ps4 is 50% more powerful than xbox one."

this is so priceless...LMAO you just cannot grasp the concept that somehow some way, maybe..just maybe that Some one like Mark Cerny an the team was able to out engineer a system, that both sides did not see what each side was building. than when its all said and done, one side just built the better design for an aspect that these machines are designed for. while

i think that Microsofts xboxone would outperform the ps4 in task switching most likely.

[unworthyBOZO]

I understand why Microsoft is fighting this so much, after all in terms of marketing it does look pretty bad to the average consumer, " PS4 is more powerful than Xbox One, and its 100 dollars cheaper" that's something Microsoft can't fight, and there in full PR swing mode right now. The irony of it all is that every single time Albert Penello or Larry Hyrb AKA Major Nelson AKA Major dochebag, open there mouth they are doing more harm than good.

[AyKKon]

Adrian C. says hello again. Read on people:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

Keep your fan girlish claims held a few more hours. This is getting ridiculous. Just enjoy good f*cking games already!

[GABRIEL1030]

PS4 is 50% more powerfull, 20% more cheap and 100% more honest !

[MadSientist89]

you sony bots need to realize he wasn't talking about 50% more powerful, he was talking about dev time.. read the whole tweet or just read the update... god

[MineHaxx]

I only have 3 bubbles,so i need to praise Sony for no reason and say that PS4 is way better like a little angered kid/a rude fanboy,Seriously,You need to stop this.It's all opinion,Not facts,And both of the consoles are awesome and both of them will sell well.
So stop those fanboy comments :)

[MineHaxx]

Seems that no one wants to hear the truth.
We are all gamers,We are playing consoles and PC's-And not fighting everyday against people that like an other console.
We are gamers-Not fanboys.
This Console Wars should cease to exist.
You like it-You buy it.Instead of acting like a moron.

[shinrock]

so i guess it's true. n4g is ps land.i see no point coming back here anymore i guess. being an industry fanboy isn't fun on such a narrow sighted site.

[Ulf]

So.. the claim is that 50% more GPU hardware pipes, combined with (way) worse CPU memory latency and a slower CPU and GPU clock, in practice, runs 50% faster?

Someone break out Skyrim on a PC, and pair it with these two machines:

3.1 GHz i5
Radeon HD 7850 (with GDDR5)
8GB of DDR3 10-10-10 timing RAM (or worse, even though you can't pick up RAM with as bad of latency that GDDR5 would have... like 70-70-70)

vs

3.4 GHz i5
Radeon HD 7770 (with GDDR3 if you can get it)
8GB of DDR3 8-8-8 timing RAM

...which one do you suppose will run games like Skyrim, or GTA IV, better? Think carefully, and check the WWW. How about a game that isn't CPU bound? Do you suppose the machine with the HD 7850 will actually perform "50% better"? Or will it be more like 10-20% (on GPU bound games.. i.e. no open world stuff)

The journalism BS surrounding these consoles is *really* out of control, and getting totally unrealistic. Any serious PC gamer -- anyone who knows anything about building a gaming rig -- can tell you that.

[Crypt0ll7]

Now add 15 spp's to offload CPU and GPU work loads. And than try to make the same comparison. You won't be able to.

[vigilante_man]

As someone who builds their own rigs, I have to say you seem to have got the wrong end of the stick.

They have the same CPU but XB1 runs a little faster (we think). XB1 has 8GB DDR3 running at 2133 in 2 x 4 sticks whereas PS4 has 8GB unified GDDR5 at a speed of 5000 or so.

So XB1 can multi-task quicker and PS4 will play games with more GPU power and faster memory.

But remember it was Microsoft who said specs do not matter and then they up their CPU and GPU speeds in vain attempts at playing catchup. Better to simply just release their console without making crazy claims of extra hidden GPU.

So, please, when trying to draw PC comparisons at least get your analogies correct.

[Ulf]

You sir, claim to build your own rig, but ignore the FACT that many modern games are CPU limited while considering these two architectures? The CPUs of these machines are *easily* the limiting factor -- and the one with the stronger one will get a lot of use out of that extra muscle.

Use that browser, go check out some gaming rig framerate comparisons, by professionals, on places like Tom's Hardware, chum. Learn something about the real world, as opposed to some drivel coming out of people trying to sell their platform on some of the numbers some marketing department deems "hip".

[sync90]

@thexmanone Great comment! just repeat what i say...pathetic

[XboxSeriesBest]

I'm not surprised at all. These xboners always love to hype up their little garbage DVR scrap metal they call a console.

[Crypt0ll7]

PS4 is similar to known architecture and Xbox One has an architecture that's new and is a whole new way of making games. Sure PS4 is going to faster at his moment.

[Unknown]

I'm going to pretend that I'm a casual gamer who is about to make a next gen purchase. This guys tells me that the PS4 is 50% more powerful/faster than the XO and that it's much easier to developer for.

I say,"Wow. Awesome." and then I start to compare the games. After a couple of trailers I'm left scratching my head.

If the PS4 is so 50% more powerful and EASIER to develop for then why aren't there any games that reflect this huge power difference? If anything one could argue that the XO has the better looking games.

Any rationale suggestions as to why this is so?

I'm fine with a down vote but at least provide a reasoning as to why these claims are true in your mind. I seriously would like to know the logic behind such opinion.

[Sonysexual]

Xbox ONE games are last-gen games running at 1080p. They're not exactly the most technically taxing games shown so far.

Killer Instinct - 720p
Forza 5 - Baked lighting, Baked physics, static environments
RYSE - lol...

[cyhm3112]

I don't know why people can be so stupid. After so many shit MS has done to the gamers, they can still believe all their bullshit. Maybe people are so stupid that MS think they can fool them time after time. What these MS executive doing is very clearly try to save their own fucking jobs. They will lie if they have to, it is their job!! If they fail, they will be fired!! The PS4 is vastly superior to Xbone, even from the footage like Dead Rising 3, Ryse, Forza 3, You can clearly see that at 1080p, xbone doesn't have a lot power left to make the graphics better. Maybe 50% more complexity compared to a xbox 360 after producing a 1080p native resolution. Dead Rising 3 look just like a PS360 game without loading time!! Look at Crysis 3 on xbox360, it might look better than DR 3!!! Whereas look at Tom Clancy's the Division on PS4, this is what a true next gen game should look like!! I will be surprised if xbone' version will look like this!!

[Aleithian]

I just checked out the Dead Rising 3 gameplay video for the first time, to check your argument. I'm surprised people are holding this up as an example of the XBOX One's power. The Last of Us looks better than it does. Hell, Assassin's Creed 4 looks way better than it does. It certainly doesn't compare to Killzone or Watch Dogs. And as for the environment, Destiny, BF4, and The Division make a mockery of it.

[mediate-this]

I hate the term hardcore gamer( but here goes) outside of the hardcore gamers who really cares about the more powerful system? I have zero loyalty to a corporation, both systems i want and henceforth both i will buy.

Sony has great first studios, and im really wanting a new legends of dragoon(hoping). TitanFall looks to be great and kz:s looks to be great. I read the n4g forums more then i reply and i cant comprehend why theres so much fighting for nothing.

Ps4 on paper is more powerful, maybe xbone is more powerful but i highly doubt it, im still buying both.

[Aleithian]

Your mistake is using hardcore gamers. The average consumer wants value for money. In that simple sense, the PS4 is a better investment than the XBOX. This is true whether they self-identify as hardcore or not.

[girlwithturn]

He created Painkiller? He couldn't lie.

[BX81]

Still sticking with Xbox one. Last gen ps3 had the better looking exclusives, but I played mostly on Xbox live with my friends. To me xbox live is the better online experience. Ps3 is stronger but not by much. I see the graphics difference between TLOU and gears 3 but its not huge. I plan on picking up a ps4 as well but the games I've seen from both don't show a huge graphical difference. If I end up caring that much about graphics then ill say forget consoles it's the PC for me. If there was a huge difference to begin with I think gorilla with kz would have shown it. Sure the Xbox one started like crap but they obviously have made the proper adjustments to get per orders going. I don't understand console gamers getting all hyped when PC graphics are laughing.

[RegorL]

Nah, developers.
I want to know what The Fox (engine) says! :)

[mediate-this]

What does 50% more powerful mean in terms of consoles? Is ps4 .5 times more powerful or??? Genuine question, what does this 50% equate graphics wise.

[larrysdirtydrawss]

well it has a 50% more horse power gpu 18 cu's to 12. much more bandwidth to the actual main ram we're all the real rendering gets done. also 8 ACE'S with 8 queues each(64 total wich more than doubles xones btw). and a 10 inch penis compared to xones 5 inch

[corvusmd]

So....developers say that the systems are completely similar, that direct x exclusive to XB1/PC is better, and that Azure Cloud is better than PSN's Gaikai...and that cloud computing is very real and explained in demos and blogs by developers, not to mention the multiple techs that look at the specs and hardware (most noteably the CPU) and say that they are rethinking their opinion on the spec advantage....and all this is dismissed because it's just an opinion or stupid and all of those developers are wrong or paid off by MS....yet, ONE guy from a company that went out of business tweets that he thinks PS4 is 50% more powerful according to some nameless devs...and all the sudden it's fact and "take that XB1 fans" This fanboy crap is retarded...sold your soul to Sony and don't even realize it. This is why anyone with half a brain can't take Sony fanboys seriously.

[Aleithian]

You make a good case, I'll give you that.

Me - I'm withholding judgment until all the tech data is out in the open and studied in practice. I'll buy a PS4 rather than XBOX, but not based on these hardware rumors.

[assdan]

All the xbox people thinking it was the one because they thought he was going to reveal a big secret. Nope just made me smile really big.

[larrysdirtydrawss]

Microsoft may be the founders of the standard for 3D graphics today, but that doesn't mean that other developers won't be able to meet or even surpass their knowledge is optimizing it.

opengl has come a long way and is great.and devs at beyond3d have been saying sonys tools have been better and more mature compared to ms for years now

[DevilishSix]

Just a question, did EPIC close People Can Fly studio or is this just a former employee? I believe this guy was a founder of People Can Fly before EPIC purchased them I just did not relize he was no longer there.

[jjb1981]

Killzone Shadowfall 1080p 60fps... 'nuff said...