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Sony’s One-And-Only Problem

"So far, Sony has been making one great move after another. You’ll hardly hear anything truly negative when it comes to the PS4. As of right now the console is the go-to system for most gamers.

But one very important problem persists for Sony...."

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Relientk774311d ago

What is Sony's one-and-only problem/weakness is also their biggest strength. They rely on and own MANY game studios, exclusives, and franchises for their consoles.

Shok4311d ago (Edited 4311d ago )

That's a great way to look at it. As I mentioned at the end of my article:

"And for all we know I can very much be dead-wrong and Sony could easily beat out the competition without at juggernaut like Mario or Halo."

The strategy of MANY games over fewer-but-stronger ones could indeed work for them, but we'll just have to wait and see.

Thanks for the intelligent, calm response.

xHeavYx4311d ago

I thought Sony's only problem was the fact that they don't support Arabic language, lol.
I agree with Relient. Sony has many exclusive IPs who have sold millions of copies. I wouldn't consider not having a "mascot" a problem

HammadTheBeast4310d ago (Edited 4310d ago )

I agree, I'd like it if Sony made one massive game, advertised the hell out of it, and made it that one game you NEED to have.

In this case, I'd say they need to make a MAG 2.0, rename it, make it innovative and fresh, and just go all out with it. Get guys from Guerilla Games, the Socom guys, ND, SSM, all working on it, along with a dedicated studio.

But just for comparisons sake, I'd say Gran Turismo is Sony's big franchise, it rivals Halo in terms of sales.

T24310d ago

If your definition of juggernaut includes halo then why no gran turismo or god of war ? Hell even metal gear fits in there ... Dont know what your def is but halo has never broken 8 million and that barely ranks all time

Sitdown4310d ago

I thought there one and only problem would be not enough stock to keep up with demand at launch.

AbortMission4310d ago

Stick to Wii u damage controlling shokio Lol

Skips4310d ago (Edited 4310d ago )

The thing is with Sony, it's a fact that they have created more successful new IP's than both MS and Nintendo combined this gen...

For instance, if Sony never funded LittleBigPlanet, Heavy Rain, The Last Of Us, Resistance, Journey, Beyond Two Souls, Infamous and many MANY more, and used the budgets on those games (game development/advertising) to market... say God Of War, save also for only a few of their other past gen games like Killzone, GT, and Rathchet & Clank.

Sorta like what MS does with Halo, Forza, Fable, and Gears... (ESPECIALLY Halo http://www.joystiq.com/2012...

"Estimates for development costs of Halo 3 average out at $60 million, and that was including a massive marketing budget of about $30 million."

Could you imagine how popular GOW/Kratos would be, if he didn't have to share the spotlight with the likes of Nathan Drake, Ellie and Joel, SackBoy, Cole McGrath etc. etc.? On top of having the money for THEIR games, used to market his own?

LMFAO, God Of War would be selling tens of millions without a doubt.

ShinMaster4310d ago (Edited 4310d ago )

* The latest Legend of Zelda game has been outsold by PlayStation exclusives like GOW, Uncharted, Gran Turismo, LBP, etc.

* Sony didn't have a problem beating the N64 with the PS1. And they didn't have a problem beating the GameCube and Xbox with the PS2.
Sony DOESN'T NEED to turn their consoles into one-trick ponies. They have multiple franchises that sell anywhere from 4 million to over 10 million and they successfully continue to release new and well received IPs.

* You're getting confused by the Wii.
It was a freak success. It had the right gimmick at the right time and marketed to the right people. Every other Nintendo(and Xbox) home console has been outsold by PlayStation consoles.

* So yes, "Sony could easily beat out the competition without juggernauts like Mario or Halo" because they've already done it before.
PlayStation has the biggest community of console gamers in the world.

Skips4310d ago (Edited 4310d ago )

"I thought Sony's only problem was the fact that they don't support Arabic language, lol."

LOL! Same here. XD

"But just for comparisons sake, I'd say Gran Turismo is Sony's big franchise, it rivals Halo in terms of sales."

Pretty much...

EDIT: Link for Halo 3's marketing... http://www.joystiq.com/2012...
https://www.google.com/sear...

Cupid_Viper_34310d ago

Just to give some perspective here.

This gen MS released 4 Halo games: Halo 3, Halo ODST, Halo Reach, Halo 4.

4 Gears of War games: Gears 1,2,3 & judgement.

4 Forza Games: Forza 2,3,4 & Horizon.

And yet they still ended up being in 3rd place even with a year headstart on the competition. Meanwhile Sony has yet to make a home console that sells less than 100 milliion units in its lifetime.

The idea that Sony needs to put all of their eggs in one basket is silly to me. The best thing that happened to Sony in regards to PlayStation is the fact that Nintendo is seen as kids/family orientated, and MS is seen as Shooter centric, leaving Sony as the best of both worlds with a very varried library of games.

YNWA964310d ago

Syphon filter should be rebooted. It would make an awesome flagship game.

blackbeld4310d ago (Edited 4310d ago )

Argh whatever.

PS4 got the games I want. Granturismo, Killzone, Driveclub and many more exclusive AAA games.

Eddie201014310d ago (Edited 4310d ago )

They have many mascots

Drake
Kratos
Sack Boy
Ratchet and Clank

and many others that are not exclusive anymore but are still associated with the playstation since thats where they started.

THC CELL4310d ago

I'd like ccp to make mag 2

Eonjay4310d ago

I have to disagree with this article. I understand what he is saying and with all due respect to Nintendo, I don't care if they ever make another Mario game again. The best game I played this generation was TLOU without a doubt. It was fresh and new. You know that games alike Mario and Halo are always gonna get the polish treatment but they aren't every gonna give you that same wow experience as when you played the first one. For a studio like Naughty Dog, I like that they broke away from uncharted to deliver something new. It means you get the same polish, but on a completely new experience.

ZHZ904310d ago

@Shok,
"And for all we know I can very much be dead-wrong and Sony could easily beat out the competition without at juggernaut like Mario or Halo."

You see Sony has juggernaut, it is VARIETY not making same over and over like MS doing withHalo or Nintendo doing with Mario.
This is what one of reasons encourages me to buy PS4.

@Skips, voted for you extra bubble for well said

@xHeavYx, LOL! this is what I thought. Lets consider that Sony will support Arabic language later on which will make it no disadvantege later on.

trouble_bubble4310d ago

@CupidViper
Agreed. TLOU, a new IP in the twilight of this gen's lifecycle, outsold the latest Gears and Forza combined. Why put all your eggs in one basket when you own the damn farm?

ProjectVulcan4310d ago (Edited 4310d ago )

Playstation has a lot of ubiquitous franchises. For me however, the one still running that they are linked to in my mind is Gran Turismo because that particular game defined my Playstation 1 and 2 gaming experiences.

It still seems that this is true for many Playstation gamers. GT5 sold over 10 million copies on PS3, more than Halo Reach in the same sort of timespan.

GT can always count on the massive sales, same as Halo can.

SharnOfTheDEAD4310d ago

If Team Soho revive the getaway then they will certainly have a flagship on their hands, especially here Europe.

WrAiTh Sp3cTr34310d ago

@joecanada, "halo has never broken 8 million"

I dont think you know what you're talking about.

scott1824310d ago

I would agree with the article if Halo was still the insanely hyped game it once was... Back in the day sony had to compete with bigtime hyped games coming out, but now their frachises are gaining popularity. Look how many pre orders killzone already has for instance, and how much hype infamous second son is getting. People outside of the hardcore have big interest, more than they have had in the past. And I feel as far as The Last of Us goes, that game is very popular and still selling extremely well, that is fantastic for a new franchise. It seems to me sony will have mega hits on their hands with new releases of these games and bringing more new ip's to the table.

Boody-Bandit4310d ago (Edited 4310d ago )

I don't think it's possible for me to disagree more with this article than what I do.

Personally, for the most part, I grow tired of the same damn franchises generation after generation. Every new generation Sony brings us their tried and true franchise like GT and God of War but they also break new ground with amazing new IP's every generation like Little Big Planet, Uncharted, Infamous, Killzone, Heavy Rain and recently my new favorite this generation "The Last of Us" (just to name a few).

I can't wait to see all of those titles on the PS4 but more importantly I am looking forward to the new IP's Sony's studios will bring us over the next several years.

Clarence4310d ago

Sony has to many quality IPs that gamers love. They don't need a mascot. Mario didn't help Nintendo win last gen, the motion control gimmick did. M$ released 3 halo games, had a year headstart, and a cheaper console last gen. Yet they ended up in last place.

Sony strenght is based off the fact that we get new quality IPs along with older ones. When think Nintendo you think of Mario. When you think of Xbox you think halo. When you think of playstation you think of god of war, KZ, uncharted, GT, infamous, MGS. The list goes on and on

miyamoto4310d ago

Its great to see your bro, Black Buster, is one of the greatest supporters of the PS4. I am subscribed to his Anti-Xbox One News channel.

http://www.youtube.com/user...

T24310d ago

@wraithspectre - halo has sold at its best 8.1 million .. So what i meant was it never broke through 8 mil to 8.5 or 9... Still doesnt barely rank all time . Check the numbers

2v14310d ago

SONY has the Nissan GTR as its mascot
lol that beats all of the others

BlueBlood174310d ago

Wow, are you seriously trying to claim that Sony exclusives are inferior because there are more of them?

Unbelievable.

FamilyGuy4310d ago

I really don't see this as a problem.

Say MS has one game that sells 10 million units, Sony has 4 games that sell 3 million units a piece.

Why does Playstation need a mascot, their games sell, their consoles sell, they get positive word of mouth from the majority of people that have their systems.

Why does it have to be a game anyway, why can't its mascot be a feature? I personally think PS+ with its Instant Game Collection is Sonys "mascot". When people consider buying a Sony system that IGC is a major force drawing people in.

Gran Turismo is a 10 million game seller anyway, I guess that doesn't count because there's no face on the cars? Even with GT6 coming to PS3 there will obviously be a Gran Turismo game in the PS4s future at some point, it's a given.

I like Sony's approach, a variety of games for everyone rather than one or two hit titles as the only reason to pick up and be a fan of the system.

tubers4310d ago

Interesting.

Since Sony has so much studios, maybe budget is all over the place and the big wigs are just hoping that one of those studios produces a "Mario/Halo" PS exclusive.

cleft54310d ago

The problem with that statement is that there MANY games also happen to be high quality games that they have been developing for years in preparation for the launch of the PS4. The weakest PS4 game, from appearances anyways, is Knack. Honestly, Knack is a glorified tech demo and we all known it. Still it's a nice looking tech demo.

So in reality there is no weakness in Sony's strategy so far. They have clearly been preparing for this move for years and high a lot of high quality games prepare for the PS4. For once a company is combining quality and quantity.

HammadTheBeast4310d ago

One more thing I'd like to point out.

Sony exclusives vary over the generations.

One gen's exclusives may never be seen again.

Gek, MedEvil. Legend of Dragoon, Noc, Crash etc.

Those are PS1 exclusives alone which we've never seen again. (Activision Crash and Squishy-faced Spyro will not be mentioned).

Each gen is unique.

Benchm4rk4310d ago

@joecanada

Not sure where you are getting your numbers from. Check out VG chartz ( easy to find type VG chartz in Google) search for Halo and you should find these figures current as of 24th August 2013.

Halo 3 11.79 million copies global sales
Halo Reach 9.45 million copies global sales

www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name =halo

minimur124310d ago

Nice read :)

I totally agree with everything haha, where's Crash, Spyro Sir Daniel, Croc, Syphon filter gone D'x

Edito4310d ago

You don't have to wait and see, just look at how the PS3 fared against the 360 and why it performed like that for a console that arrived 1 year later and without that "Killer Game" and i don't know why ppl forget that what made the PS1/PS2 so unforgettable was the fact that every single publisher was working there and there was no microsoft and deep pockets at that time there was more space to create... Now money talks and bulshit walks... i think we should be happy for Sony being like that cause they are doing the right thing to make the industry and genres grow instead of relying on a single game to make the magic and sell consoles...

jcnba284310d ago

I can name 3 more of sony's problems with the PS4:

- No backwards compatibility
- No free online
- No external hard drive support

The_Con-Sept4310d ago

The Arabic dictionary voted for Obama.

Knushwood Butt4310d ago

lol

Shok's clearly got nothing to write about Nintendo (he's even lost motivation to do damage control for them) so here he is writing about Sony?

Don't quit your day job.

JUDALATION4310d ago

The ONLY problem with Sony is that they have a shortage on consoles... I have been trying to pre order but NOTHING!

Sideras4310d ago

Afaik they have two juggernauts, Uncharted and God of War, three if The Last of Us becomes a thing.
Either way I'd rather have a mix of genres than the same old shooter year after year.

EZMickey4310d ago

@joecanada Halo has in fact broken 11 Million.

http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...

static52454310d ago

What about that Michael Long Live Play commercial? That was basically all of Playstation mascots. I think thats what people don't think about when playstation advertises they're not advertising one franchise but everything they've done. http://youtu.be/fj96XYhwTFI

pixelsword4310d ago

Don't they have sackboy?

T24310d ago

For those wondering got my numbers from wikipedia top game sales all time says halo 3 is top halo with 8.1 mil ... Dont know how accurate vgchartz or this site are but wiki has multiple sources ... If you think its wrong change it

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Enemy4311d ago (Edited 4310d ago )

To sum up the whole writing, they're actually complaining that Sony doesn't want to milk one mascot. That instead, they rely on the many created by their 1st parties.

Nathan Drake is a mascot, millions seller
Joel/Ellie are mascots, millions sellers
Kratos is a mascot, millions seller
Helghast is a mascot, millions seller
Sackboy is a mascot, millions seller
Cole McGrath is a mascot, millions seller
Delsin is a mascot, will sell millions
Ratchet & Clank are mascots, millions sellers

The Last of Us would have never happened if Sony kept Naughty Dog on Uncharted. Look how it turned out.

Puppeteer, new IP, already receiving universal praise

We know that Naughty Dog are at work with a new IP as well. Same goes for Guerrilla, Santa Monica, Media Molecule, and Quantic Dream. More mascots incoming, and all of them belong to PlayStation.

If Sony only relied on one IP to do their work, they'd be no different from Nintendo and Microsoft.

Sony's all about variety. That's how they win GOTY. When you have something for everyone, you can't go wrong.

When's the last time Halo was even recognized for true GOTY? It's an indication that Microsoft needs MORE fresh IPs, not keep shooting the same weapon.

And if you really want to be amazed, there are countless other franchises Sony could bring back at any given moment.

Alundra, Arc the Lad, Dark Cloud, Demon's Souls, The Getaway, Ghosthunter, Gravity Rush, Heavenly Sword, Jak & Daxter, Jeanne d'Arc, Jet Moto, Lair, The Legend of Dragoon, The Mark of Kri, MediEvil, Primal, Rogue Galaxy, Siren, Syphon Filter, Warhawk, Tomba!, War of the Monsters

Doesn't it feel good to have more than one weapon at your disposal?

Shok4310d ago

Refer to the reply I made to jc48573.

Godmars2904310d ago

Think its more a concern than a worry.

And by "mascot" they mean characters outside of gaming.

It was really a disservice to mention Halo besides Mario, who all you need to identify is a red cap with an "M" on it.

pyramidshead4310d ago (Edited 4310d ago )

I wish there was an option to double bubble lol Also can't wait to get puppeteer, fantastic art direction., a game that changes every ten minutes and you'll never see the same thing twice apparently! But I still have to buy TLOU, urgh.

Tito084310d ago (Edited 4310d ago )

And don't forget to include Omega Boost, Tourist Trophy, and as much as I know people will hate to hear this, Genji as well. For a console maker that has the most use of original IPs, Sony have more at their disposal anyways, I know there are more IPs than that, that's exactly how I always preferred Sega all the time over Nintendo at the time.

Rhaigun4310d ago

I actually think this is Microsoft and Nintendo's crutch. They rely too much on their stable franchises. So much so, that they fail to take a risk on any new IP year after year. After you've played the new Halo, Mario or Zelda, you're not left with much outside of third party games. Games that Sony has as well.

Sci0n4310d ago

True Story! im about to go play TLOU's multiplayer right now!

AndrewLB4310d ago

And countless games that were absolute garbage.

On vgcharts, for 2012 the xbox 360 had 9 of the top 25 games, sony had 7. So far in 2013, 360 has 8, ps3 has 7. This statistic alone flies in the face to those saying "microsoft relies too much on just a few ip's carrying the platform.

Now if you look at TOTAL game sales per platform you get:

XBox 360: 801,850,000
PS3: 720,240,000

Interesting how PS3 has only slightly more system sales than Xbox 360 but close to 80,000,000 less games sold, even with all those choices.

Looks to me like my assertion that many people bought the PS3 just for the great blu-ray player.

Plus... sony lost money on every console till recently while Microsoft didn't. Also, the big money is made on licensing and sales of games, in which Sony got destroyed by Microsoft.

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Campy da Camper4310d ago

Look at the cast of Sienfield. Each person was fantastic but that character is all they are known for. Fast forward to today and George castanza, Kramer and Elaine will forever be typecast.

Variety is where its at. Give me a few uncharted and little big planets then move on to a new ideas. Keep it fresh and moving forward.

sentury1114310d ago

Julie louis Dreyfous is winning emmeys for the veep.

But of course she will be remembered for Elaine who starred in the number one show for many years.

That's true for any actor they are known as their best role such as the terminator or Han Solo/Indiana Jones to Officer Riggs

Campy da Camper4310d ago

Look at the cast of Sienfield. Each person was fantastic but that character is all they are know for. Fast forward to today and George castanza, Kramer and Elaine will forever be typecast.

Variety is where its at. Give me a few uncharted and little big planets then move on to a new ideas. Keep it fresh and moving forward.

ssj274310d ago

Let's keep one thing clear here!
GRAN TURISMO is the PlayStation IP!

I can see PlayStation 4,5 and .. without any other IP but GT! Has to be there.

Their next IP that fallows is God of War! Kratos is a Icon and very popular.

Other IP reaching those epic levels are Killzone, Uncharted and MotorStorm could have take it to the next level if their next games shine on the PS4!

KILLZONE will give the big jump with Shadow Fall.. number's will tell if it did (over 4 millions sales)

sentury1114310d ago

Forza was better last Gen. GT only sold due to name recognition.

ssj274310d ago

Forsa was better only on reviews...
gt has more cars, better graphics, tracks, authentic competition, authentic details, technology and etc.

I can't trus a video gamer to review a SIM.. they will review the gameas a game and not as it's a sim. Two huge difference s.

Example pes is more authentic Soccer SIM but fifa gets passed as a better game because it has license and more features but in term of pure gameplay PES does it more authentic and is more of a SIM.

JustPlay44310d ago

I don't see how this is really a bad thing, having as many games as you can, that may not stand the test of time(which I don't think is true but that me)and just stay with only few new ips for years I don't want that I want new games, I don't want to play the same thing over and over again just because it can sell and that why I'm keeping my ps3 for that games that have been and buying a ps4 for games that to come.

Well that just me this may not make a lot of sense to everyone but oh well

ajax174310d ago

Yeah, I'm thinking: let me get this straight, the problem with Sony is that they don't keep milking a single franchise over and over and over? Wow, a company that wants to create unique and new experiences, what a terrible idea.

AbortMission4310d ago

People like Shokio aren't real gamers if all they want is the same damn expired milk franchises like Mario.

madpuppy4310d ago

Agreed, The sheer amount of unique titles from not only third party but Sony's many first party studios is a strength. after all, just because pizza is great, doesn't mean eating it every day is a great idea.

MWong4310d ago

Weak, to say Sony is missing that "it" game. No console usually launches with that "it" game. That it game normally launches 6 months to a year after console launch.

Delive4310d ago

I think their only problem is. How they have responded to ms' changes, or lack there of. Out the gate, sony was in attack mode, going after ms' controversial plans for next gen. $100 less, items behind gold paywall not behind ps+, indie support, more (reported) powerful, f2p games at launch, the list goes on. Ms has responded by reversing many of their policies and leave the possibility of game sharing coming back, they tout key 3rd party exclusived and partnerships with non gaming resources fir those that want that. Ms has in turn closed the gap (some) and will continue to push for that. Sony seems to be waiting as if they don't want to step on the throat of ms while they were down. Like an nfl coach who lacks that killer mentality. They get a big lead early, then let the other team hang around instead of putting them away.

PSVita4310d ago

They don't need a mascot when they put out games like demon souls, infamous, uncharted, the last of us and GT. Advertising the hell out of a single game doesn't make it any better.

nosferatuzodd4310d ago

indeed and people always overlook stuff don't know if its bias or not but you say halo is a juggernaut then Grand tourismo of to fit on that bill has well over 10 million sold and over 70 million copies in total if that's not a killer app then i don't know what is

StoutBEER4310d ago

Haha this is the top news story? Everyone at n4g are fags. XD

DeadlyFire4310d ago

Indeed. I thought they were going to sink more money and ammunition into Killzone shadow fall before its launch, but so far I have little urge to run out and buy it. I am more amped for Uncharted 4 in 2014 alongside some of the new IPs.

thisismyaccount4310d ago

Sonys Strength

PlayStation 1

- Ape Escape
- Crash Bandicoot
- MedEvil
- GT
- Jumping Flash (2nd dev)
- and many more....

PlayStation 2

- ICO
- Jak and Daxter
- Ratchet and Clank
- The Getaway
- GT3
- The Mark of Kri
- KillZone
- God Of War
- Sly Cooper
- and few more...

PlayStation 3

- Uncharted
- Infamous
- The Last of US
- Heavy Rain (2nd dev)
- GT5
- God of War "polished"
- Fat princess (2nd dev)
- Motorstorm
... and few more

Nintendo N64

- Zelda
- Mario
- Metriod
- Conker

Nintendo GameCube

- Zelda
- Mario
- Metriod
- Pikmin ?

Nintendo Wii/U

- Zelda
- Mario
- Metriod
- Pikmin

Xbox 2001 Odyssey

- Halo (backstabbing PC ppl.)
- Fable

Xbox 360

- Halo 3
- Fable
- Forza
- Kameo

and so on... nothing will change with the Xbox One. Same regurgitated crap like what Nintendo does... the diffrence is : Nintendo Games don´t suck,... if i´v missed some FP IP from M$ and Nintendo let me/us know.

Automatic794310d ago (Edited 4310d ago )

Having a variety of games is definitely Sony's strength. In my experience with Sony I always felt that Resistance was/is and should have been that killer title. Unfortunately, the game remains with sony but we are not sure if sony will bring it back anytime soon.

Note: Another title my friend speaks about is Syphon Filter sony can take that title and bring it into modern day glory with PS4.

Jubez1874310d ago

Yea that's pretty much it. This article makes it seem like Sony doesn't have AAA titles which of course is so untrue. It just makes it seem like Sony doesn't have that ONE carrying franchise because they have other franchises to care about. Honestly, when it comes to the other systems it's about the games (like people want HALO whether it's bungie or that new company); however, on the Sony side it's more "we have NAUGHTY DOG" because we know they're going to put out gold whether it's an uncharted or a TLOU title, anything. Same goes for Suckerpunch and Media Molecule. The other systems just keep rereleasing the same IP's (like do we need another Gears of War, really?) while Sony usually cycles them out after a generation.

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Enemy4311d ago (Edited 4311d ago )

Sony has mascots from all of their 1st parties.

jc485734311d ago (Edited 4311d ago )

You know, that's the one thing I like about Sony in the first place because they don't HAVE THAT ONE game, but they have VARIETY and they emphasize that a lot more than MS at least. I used to think that way too, but as time went by I simply got used to the idea that Sony's intention was never really about THAT ONE game people were looking for. Why? I think because Sony understands the fact that not all gamers have similar taste. I could be liking Uncharted but hate God of War. I no longer buy Nintendo just for Mario or Zelda.

I also like the fact when the PS1 came out, it actually felt like the console was meant for third party games.

Shok4310d ago

I understand what you're saying 100%.

BUT, people need to realize that you can have that ONE franchise and STILL have many others.

Whether people want to face it or not, Nintendo does this.

Mario is that ONE franchise, but there's also Smash Bros., Metroid, Kirby, Fire Emblem, Pikmin, Kid Icarus, Xenoblade, etc.

When I mention what I said in this article to people, they think I'm saying Sony needs to do away with new IP's and just focus on one big one. That's not what I'm saying at all. Sony can create that ONE franchise and still continue what they're doing now.

Having that one series they can always rely on wouldn't hurt one bit.

T24310d ago

They already have multiple franchises , your definition is flawed and your premise makes no sense .

fattyuk4310d ago

Gran turismo?

Only mention gran turismo as its been on all formats of playstation including handhelds.

DatRealBoy4310d ago

I don't understand it's like since Nintendo do it and xbox do it sony must do it. Hmm GT can be a system mascot based on sales. I mean I know its your opinion and all but for sony to need one MAIN mascot yeah it could be nice but at the same them not having one does not magically mean Playstation Brand will fail.

jc485734310d ago (Edited 4310d ago )

does it really need THAT ONE GAME?

I don't like to force it through people's throat that God of War is that ONE GAME or Jak Daxter is. You gotta give Sony credit for being different and don't follow the norm.

When you think of Sony, you also think of many developers as a whole. Who doesn't know Santa Monica for their games? Who doesn't know Sucker Punch for their games? Who doesn't know Naughty Dog for their games?

Now, think of Nintendo games, kinda hard right? You need to do a bit of research to know about the studios that work for Nintendo.
Do the same with MS. Even more research is needed to be done with MS games.

I honestly don't like the idea of having that ONE GAME and sort of branch out.

Chevalier4310d ago

You mention fatigue for Uncharted and God Of War, then how about the multiple Fable, Forza, Halo and Gears games?

Halo 5 is coming out next year and that's what 6 games in 8 years? (Halo 3, Halo ODST, Halo Wars, Halo 4, Halo Anniversary edition). 4 Gears games, and 3 fable games, 5 Forza games?

iceman064310d ago

I understand your point. However, you forget a couple of things. First Nintendo games, for the most part, are legacy games of some 20 years! Personal tastes aside, that's like trying to beat the timelessness of the Motown sound, Elvis, or Michael Jackson. It probably won't happen because it's so deeply ingrained in the fabric of music. Just as Mario is damn near synonymous with gaming. Halo was THE reason that Xbox existed. It was the flagship of the console and has carried that flag since it's inception. Sony has decided to just diversify and create several IP in various genres that are indicative of a Sony game. They want to attract all types of gamers to the console, not just FPS fanatics, platform lovers, or driving enthusiasts. They don't want to be McDonald's, where it's known for the Big Mac. They want to be like a buffet. All you can eat and something for everybody.

ShinMaster4310d ago (Edited 4310d ago )

@ Shok

Sony doesn't need that. Aside from Mario, Zelda and Smash, none of the other franchises you mentioned sell anywhere near as much. Have you even checked? What good is having known titles that very few people buy.

* Even the latest Legend of Zelda game has been outsold by PlayStation exclusives like GOW, Uncharted, Gran Turismo, LBP, etc. Heck, even The Last of Us(new IP) is about to outsell it. And the Wii has a bigger install base.

* Sony didn't have a problem beating the N64 with the PS1.
They didn't have a problem beating the GameCube and Xbox with the PS2.
And they beat the Xbox 360, even with 6 Halo games, 4 Gears of War games, 4 Forza games, a year headstart and cheaper price.

* You're getting confused by the Wii.
It was a freak success. It had the right gimmick at the right time and marketed to the right people. Every other Nintendo(and Xbox) home console has been outsold by PlayStation consoles.
* Sony DOESN'T NEED to turn their consoles into one-trick ponies. They have multiple franchises that sell anywhere from 4 million to over 10 million and they successfully continue to release new and well received IPs.

* So yes, "Sony could easily beat out the competition without juggernauts like Mario or Halo" because they've already done it before.
PlayStation has the biggest community of console gamers in the world.

Now think about it. Is this even a real "problem" for Sony?

Hicken4310d ago

@Shok: But NOTHING comes close to the power of Mario. Hell, most of the ones you name sell more poorly than the stable of PS exclusives do.

Frankly speaking, if Nintendo loses Mario, they lose their golden goose. The same with Microsoft and Halo. That's a far larger problem than what you claim Sony's to be. Not having to rely on a single "mascot," but instead having a slew of titles supporting your consoles, can only be viewed as a strength.

Why would any company want to have ONE franchise to rely on when they could have a DOZEN? Car companies would LOVE to have multiple cars being tops in their classes. ANY manufacturer would prefer to have multiple products to bank on, rather than just one.

Really, this is one of the worst manufactured "flaws" I've ever heard of, largely because it doesn't make any sense.

2v14310d ago

You sound racist for real what about the other games made and the people that work on them games they get push aside for some mascot game, that's not fair that's what in the real world we call racist.

pandaboy4310d ago

As everyone else has already pointed out... Gran Turismo. Halo is pretty small time sales when you compare it to the big boys out there like Gran Turismo. This game moves systems like no other. See for yourself.

http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...
http://www.polyphony.co.jp/...

Angeljuice4310d ago

I do agree that having a big franchise and heavy-duty mascot can be beneficial, but it can also be detrimental.

I have never enjoyed a single Mario game, despite playing computer games since the late seventies. I don't like Mario at all, so maybe the fact that he is such a huge iconic figure for Nintendo is part of the reason I've never owned a Nintendo console.

I played the first Halo (albeit on PC), and didn't think much of it, I won't say that's the reason I've never owned an Xbox though (more to do with loathing Microsoft if I'm honest).

Both these games can feel intrusive to the machine they appear on, if you own a Nintendo, you're *expected* to have a Mario game and the same goes for Microsoft with Halo. If you don't, you will feel like you are missing out on the core experience of the console.

If we take Gran Turismo as the PlayStation brand's biggest system seller, it isn't the same story at all. If you don't like driving sims, you won't play a GT title, it doesn't feel at all "forced" on you, you don't have to buy into that franchise at all to get the core experience of PlayStation, that core experience changes from player to player depending on their preferences.

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SmokingMonkey4310d ago

Naughty Dog is all Sony needs.

fattyuk4310d ago

No as naughty dog don't/cant provide the variety of games solely, fantastic devs love em to bits but Sony has got it nail on the head with the variety of games they have in their bag.

ZHZ904310d ago

I believe MS needs a studio talented as ND.

SmokingMonkey4310d ago

PS1-Crash Bandicoot-ND

PS2-Jak & Daxter-ND

PS3-Uncharted-ND

Sony doesn't need a mascot, it needs ND. All the other 1st party developer's are great too and make PS what it is. But the article asks why PS doesn't have that "It" character, and the reason is ND doesn't make the same thing for 10/20 years.

strickers4310d ago

Gran Turismo is a massive single IP. Out sells Halo.

YodaCracker4310d ago (Edited 4310d ago )

Gran Turismo is a good long-term seller, but it does not smash sales records every time like Halo. Halo 4 sold over 3 million copies in its first 24 hours, becoming the fastest-selling Halo game to date. GT5 came nowhere even close to that.

Sony simply has no game that breaks opening day records and creates such a frenzy in the gaming world like a Halo release does. GT5 still sold an incredible 10 million units, but it can't match Halo 3's 12 million. Not to mention, GT5 is the only GT release so far this gen, compared to all the Halo releases - Halo 3: 12 million, ODST: 6 million, Halo: Reach: 10 million, Halo 4: 9 million. That's almost 40 million units right there. Now imagine how many copies Halo 3 would have sold if it had been the only Halo game released during the 360's lifecycle!

moparful994310d ago

@yodacracker What does it matter that GT games don't sell like crack on the first day? Or break sakes records? Thats just a bullet point in a fanboy argument.. Microsoft makes an event out of Halo, they spent 30 million on the advertising and im willing to bet Sony didn't even spend 10 million marketing GT yet it has sold over 10 million copies.. Over a span of just 5 games GT has sold more than 70 million units a number the almighty Halo hasn't done.. Whats more impressive day one sales records or being one of the best selling game IP's of all time?

DigitalRaptor4310d ago (Edited 4310d ago )

@ Yoda

Microsoft makes a song and dance about Halo though. I'm pretty convinced they spend more on ensuring it's a mass market success through advertising, promotion and journalist goody bags, than its development budget.

Meanwhile, Sony exclusives sell what you can expect from them without any huge marketing or promotion. 2-3+ million sales over 10s of games is better for the gamer in the long run, and a good way to improve the variety of a portfolio whilst making bank. I think Uncharted 3 is the biggest promotion they have done in recent years, and those games sell 5+ million. Remember that Subway tie-in they did?

And some games are just hugely surprising in their success, like The Last of Us. Word of mouth did great things for that game, because I don't remember it being advertised in any massive way. Heavy Rain is an example of a game that was moderately advertised, but performed great at retail and more than anyone was expecting.

Like moparful said, Gran Turismo has its fanbase because it appeals to the true driving enthusiast, not just the gamer by a long stretch. GT5 Prologue was also released this gen, as a precursor to GT5 and still sold 5+ million.

And as we all know each type of exclusive appeals to a different type of gamer, but not always exclusively. I'm lucky to be a gamer who enjoys variety in a very significant way. So I appreciate the push Sony makes for unique new IPs and partnerships with indie developers. So, as if it wasn't obvious enough, I don't care if a game doesn't sell millions, I care about its quality and the impact is has upon myself and that I can share that with other gamers.

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Sony Faces Class Action in the Netherlands Over Allegedly Inflated PlayStation Store Prices

Mass Damage & Consumer Foundation in the Netherlands has filed a class action against Sony for inflating PlayStation Store prices.

dveio1d 22h ago (Edited 1d 22h ago )

My personal opinion:

Manufacturers and publishers have indeed inflated the industry.

From $700 million development costs for games like Call of Duty, to digital (store) prices for games and DLCs, online multiplayer fees on consoles (why can you play Helldivers 2 online for free on PC but not consoles?) or still preventing sell/lend digitally purchased games.

Sometime in the future, this bubble will collapse.

They should know better, but they just can't help themselves and suck even the last penny out of our wallets.

BeHunted1d 20h ago

Because Sony knows people will be forced to pay those prices for single player and multiplayer games, not everyone prefers PC gaming. Sony also has a monopoly on PlayStation digital games. In 2019, they stopped allowing retailers and game key sellers to sell PlayStation digital games, making them available only through the official PlayStation Store

anast1d 22h ago

The Dutch gov. wants a piece of the pie.

Eonjay1d 21h ago

They should be suing the individual publishers increasing the prices to $80 instead of suing the store. There are plenty of publishers still selling game for like $50 with much success (like E33). But this proves that the publishers are the ones setting the prices.... so again nothing changes because they aren't even going after the main offender. How is suing Sony going to make Microsoft not charge $80 for the next COD? Sony being the number one store in the market doesn't mean that publisher have to charge us an arm and a leg. Again the industry is laughing at us because consumers never get real representation. Just these fake platitudes that are meaningless.

BeHunted1d 20h ago

"How is suing Sony going to make Microsoft not charge $80 for the next COD"

Because Microsoft doesn't have a monopoly, I can purchase Call of Duty at a huge discount from CDKeys or other gaming retailers. The only way to purchase digital PlayStation games is through the PlayStation Store.

djl34851d 18h ago

Weird, I swore GoW, Stellar Blade, Horizon Zero Dawn, TLoU, etc. were on the steam store....uh.....

BeHunted1d 15h ago (Edited 1d 15h ago )

@djI3485

I'm talking about PlayStation games that you can only purchase on PlayStation. I can purchase Steam and Epic games from 3rd party retailers and key stores.

"Sony to stop selling full-game download codes at retailers"

https://www.videogamer.com/...

Killer2020UK1d 20h ago

About time. There is zero fair reason why digitally distributed products that you cannot recoup any value when you want to dispose of them, should be priced higher than that of physical copies that entail all of the costs and the benefits of owning.

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Sony Aims To Sell 15 Million PS5 Units This Year, but Is Shifting Focus to Monthly Active Users

Sony CEO Hiroki Totoki and CFO Lin Tao talked about the state of the PlayStation business and the strategy and targets going forward, including how they're responding to the tariffs.

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1Victor43d ago

I wonder how the USA tariffs war will affect that projection. 🤔

S2Killinit43d ago (Edited 43d ago )

I think they take that into consideration when they announce their projections. Currently, after the xbox price increase, the PRO is cheaper than the series x! That is ridiculous, and it can’t last.

darthv7242d ago

you keep saying that but the price of a PS5 Pro is S699.99 (US) and the price of a Series X is $599.99 (US)

S2Killinit42d ago (Edited 42d ago )

The series x with 2 TB storage space is more expensive than PS5 PRO which also has 2 TB storage space.

darthv7242d ago (Edited 42d ago )

Oh so you are pitting a regular Pro with a special edition X... got it. If you are going so far as trying to compare apples to apples... please add in the optical drive and stand to the Pro. Seeing as the X has both of those by default.

I will help you if you are unable to do so.
PS5 Pro 2tb: $699.99, Optical Drive: $79.99, Stand: $29.99 = $809.97
Xbox Series X Galaxy Black Special Edition 2TB: $729.99

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S2Killinit42d ago (Edited 42d ago )

The PS5 PRO has 2TB storage. The series X with 2TB storage and much weaker, is… more expensive! So yeah, Im pointing out that fact.

Also, the PRO does not require a stand.

Ps: regular series 2TB is $749 (where did u get 729?)

darthv7242d ago

Its right here on the official XB site: https://www.xbox.com/en-US/...

Okay, so no stand for the Pro, but you might still want the optical drive. So $779.98 vs $729.99. A properly outfitted Pro is still more $$ than a 2tb X.

S2Killinit41d ago (Edited 41d ago )

Do I need to mention that the series x is not nearly as powerful as the PS5 PRO?

And no, the PS5 PRO runs just fine without a drive, and people don’t have to buy the drive right away, assuming they want it.

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drivxr43d ago

I wonder why they are shifting focus to MAU.

RaiderNation43d ago

Because that's where the real money is made, in microtransactions.

Profchaos43d ago (Edited 43d ago )

People are spending less time playing is a typical trigger for this.

The less time spent playing the less likely you are to spend more money on games and services including subs or even the next console.

Increased engagement equals more money.

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DarXyde42d ago

Same reason Microsoft does it: it looks better to investors and it's a solution when unit sales slow down.

Personally, I'm not a fan of this metric; and by using it, you're kind of signaling that you're moving into the "This is a PlayStation" era.

Z50142d ago

Because the PS4 also has users and not necessarily sales

Obscure_Observer40d ago

"I wonder why they are shifting focus to MAU."

Because they´d finally realized that MS wasn´t wrong after all.

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Sony Announces Large Profits Growth for PlayStation; Expects Further Wins in Current Fiscal Year

Sony announced its financial results for the fiscal year 2024, and things are certainly looking up, despite a decline in PS5 sales.

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CrimsonWing6943d ago

Expect sh*t to slow down if prices aren’t kept in check.

Redgrave43d ago

Who downvotes the truth?

Even PSN itself is too damn high.jpg

S2Killinit43d ago

Gamepass is already at 20$ per month if im not mistaken.

toxic-inferno42d ago

@neutralgamer1992

Not all of us. I'm a big PlayStation fan, and have been since the PSOne. But I can't begin to defend what's happening currently.

At least Nintendo release a large number of games from their major franchises. Sony is just not banking on their established franchises, and yet are raising prices. Not great.

S2Killinit43d ago

Im pretty sure we are going to see a price increase for PRO. I mean think about it, its currently cheaper than xbox series x! That cannot last.

Eonjay43d ago

I'm absolutely sure we will not see a price increase. I don't think we should 'expect' to see price increase because it just adds validity to what Nintendo and Microsoft have done.

darthv7242d ago (Edited 42d ago )

Sorry to pop that bubble but the Pro is not cheaper than a series x... generally speaking (like you are). It is cheaper than one specific version, and doing so by not including the optical drive and stand like the X has by default.

So keep on trying to convince people you are right when everyone knows it's quite the opposite. A stock Pro is $699.99 and a stock X is $599.99. A special edition galactic black 2tb X is $729.99. And if you really want to compare apples to apples... adding the aforementioned optical drive and stand brings that Pro to $809.97 and then they would be on equal footing.

Twisting truths to fit a narrative... I expect better from you S2.

S2Killinit42d ago (Edited 42d ago )

The PS5 PRO has 2TB storage. And the series X with 2TB is more expensive. Which in my opinion is insane conseidering how much more powerful the PRO is. The PS5PRO does not need a stand, it can be used without a stand.

TheKingKratos43d ago

So the Pro is not offering any push in sales at all ?

CrashMania43d ago

It's still an expensive, niche product ultimately. And they exceeded their sales projections for units sold by half a million.

lawox43d ago

"18.5 million units have been shipped during the full fiscal year. This is actually ahead of the 18 million units target set by the company."

They beat their yearly estimate. It's not broken down by device, but it's clearly performing well enough. Since it's been released it's consistently been the second best selling SKU on Amazon only after the the Slim with disc.

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Bathyj42d ago

18 million a year is in the toilet?
I remember when 10 was considered good
Hell Microsoft would take that right now.
Probably pay $100b for it.

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BeHunted43d ago

If their profits fall next quarter, we'll probably see more price hikes. I can't imagine having to pay £20 a month for PlayStation Plus.

S2Killinit43d ago

I think gamepass is already paying that much.

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drivxr43d ago (Edited 43d ago )

Decline in hardware sales.
Behind on lifetime sales and decline in first party sales.
Third party content and PSN came through to save the day.
Things will improve starting with the next Ghost game.

Hopefully a steady flow of first party content by end of '25

rlow143d ago (Edited 43d ago )

I guess you get downvoted for stating facts from Sony’s own lips. What I’m curious about is what their top games of the year were and how much Xbox games contributed to the increase?

CrashMania43d ago

Well, generally 3rd party publisher games contribute the most anyway, so no different to capcom, EA and so on contributing to this figure.

lawox42d ago

That's because the report is actually really good.

They beat the console sales estimate that they set last year March, they have increased users both due to the record numbers of PS4 users and strong PS5 sales which is leading to great profits in sales and user spend.

This report is about the financial health of the PlayStation brand and as a platform PlayStation is stronger than ever. Heck they even have Microsoft putting their biggest franchises on the platform.

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S2Killinit42d ago (Edited 42d ago )

Well, the facts in the article are positive. Nothing wrong with his comment, but in my opinion it doesn't correctly indicate all the facts and nuances that give context to the reality of things. I downvoted for that only.

Make sense?

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Lightning7742d ago

This is exactly what happened to Xbox year's ago. They had no first party and started seeing decline in 1st party sales, which effected their third party games which eventually effected their console sales. A slow decline across the board.

Calm down PS fans I'm not saying PS is becoming like old Xbox. I'm showing examples of the importance of first party output. Look how Xbox finally has compelling first party and things are on a up swing(despite years going on a downswing). I know thanks to PS releases which helps a ton, (which is why Xbox hardware only dropped 6% instead of 30+% like it usually does) The point still stands despite what Genz Trends may go, first party and compelling games sell hardware and software still. Sony's financial quarter is an example of this, of what lower First party output looks like.

No matter they'll be right back on track in due time any time especially with DS2 (not my type of game but I know many like it) and Yotei. They're not Xbox and let things get bad for so many years on end.

crazyCoconuts42d ago

"I'm showing examples of the importance of first party output. "
First party is mostly relevant for the sole purpose of creating EXCLUSIVES that are needed to stay competitive. With Xbox consoles collapsing and no more Xbox exclusives, first party is way less important. PlayStation as a platform now has free reign to profit without the high expense of needing exclusive first party titles.

red2tango42d ago

Sony has been very lazy with 1st party games compared to the PS4 era. And even the PS4 era was nothing compared to the PS3 era in terms of games.

S2Killinit42d ago (Edited 42d ago )

We have Ghost and Intergalactic coming. And then Marathon which is not exclusive to PlayStation. I think Covid and that chip shortage put a speedbump in game development because game manufacturers dont want even more risk that their game will arrive to too little hardware, but the games are starting to show up.

Lightning7742d ago

"With Xbox consoles collapsing and no more Xbox exclusives, first party is way less important."

Absolutely not. If that was the case then Nintendo would put Mario on Sega Genesis and Sonic on Super Nintendo. I know things are way different 30+ years later but not much has really changed in terms of exclusives and their impact on hardware. Especially early in the console life cycle.

Sony made all the money this quarter handover fist. Profits isn't a issue for them right now. I was just saying lower hardware sales and lower first party sales will hurt them or any console manufacturer of they don't have the compelling games in the long run. Just like it hurt Xbox. IF Sony keeps up not having lower first part output. Which we know they're not.

crazyCoconuts42d ago

Well no big exclusives in the last two years yet PS is doing great. What are people gonna do? Buy an Xbox?

S2Killinit42d ago

I agree with you. But they have had plenty of exclusives so far. Has it been ideal? Nope. I have a feeling we are seeing a resurgence with the effects of covid and that chip shortage now behind us.

Lightning7742d ago

No it's just like 360 where they had no games yet ppl still bought it because they sold ppl on the games early on that gen the fans were locked in and invested. They were riding the good will and was dubbed the shooter, racer box. The games dried up and they never recovered from it which hurt them in the long run. Same here with PS they still make the big bucks because they had games early on and the fans locked in and will continue to lock in for a little while longer despite lacking in first party.

S2Killinit42d ago (Edited 42d ago )

I agree. But the problem with xbox was that for some crazy reason MS thought game development wasnt all that important to a platform holder. They literally did not fund games with their own studios. When they lost marketshare they couldnt justify paying for exclusives with large install bases making it too expensive. That is not the scenario with PlayStation.

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