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Halo 4 designer brands "sexy" MGS5 character "lazy and exploitative"

343 Industries designer David Ellis isn't too chuffed with Hideo Kojima's "erotic" - or as Kojima would now prefer to word it, "sexy" - Metal Gear Solid 5 character Quiet.

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KingKelloggTheWH4039d ago (Edited 4039d ago )

While I agree the design is pretty terrible, the art and design in Halo 4 was pretty generic and bad too.(making everyone angry here)

Also "Sexuality can be used for purpose. I actually thought it worked in Bayonetta, for example. This feels lazy and exploitative"

Oh, I see he has already played the game and knows her personality and back story.

Also, I like how they Just focus on the women in the game and dont mention that Liquid Snake, and Raven were both Shirtless in Alaska, snake was naked in his briefing and shirtless in his torture scene, not to mention in MGS 2 Raiden was naked for a whole playable sequence.

The sexuality in MG does not go one way, heck just look at the Boss, she wasnt portrayed sexually at All.People need to quit excluding stuff and look at the games portrayal of people as a whole.

Gazondaily4038d ago (Edited 4038d ago )

" the art and design in Halo 4 was pretty generic and bad too."

You are kidding me right? Halo is known for it's unique design, with really weird Forerunner structures and beautiful sky boxes. How on Earth is it generic? "Pretty generic and bad" are possibly the worst descriptions of it and couldn't be further from the truth. Have you played the game? I'm assuming you're talking about the art style in general because your comment was very vague.

Regarding your point about the male characters 'exposing' themselves, there is a context to it.

What is the context of a sniper fighting in a bikini? It seems silly but I wouldn't make as big an issue as Ellis did.

"People need to quit excluding stuff and look at the games portrayal of people as a whole."

Yeah and that's why Quiet's clothing (or lackthereof) doesn't make sense in the context of who she is supposed to be. Again however, I don't think it's that big an issue.

But also, look at Cortana with her massive jugs. Was that really needed for an A.I construct? I don't know...

JustPlay44038d ago

It isn't bad but it became pretty generic after halo 2 or 3 came out, after that it just the same game over and over again but fans don't care, it still a good game

abzdine4038d ago (Edited 4038d ago )

i agree with Ellis, the idea of making stupid sexy characters in MGS just to sell more copies seems a little desperate.
This changed my vision on MGS5 now. I hope Kojima focuses on delivering some solid gameplay and chara design instead of destroying woman picture more than it is already just to sell his game.

i dont wanna play Metal Gear: Dead or Alive edition!

jimbobwahey4038d ago

I wouldn't call Halo's design unique to be honest. For example, see the well documented copying of designs from the movie Aliens.

minimur124038d ago

Bayonetta, lol, think about it, who would buy a game where some ugly women beat up monsters :)

KingKelloggTheWH4038d ago

Im a huge Halo fan, but 4's art was a huge step back for the franchise it lost much of its identity and took much of its base aesthetics from other franchises rather than from previous titles, its especially noticeable if you look at it compared to the masterpiece that was Reach.

As for Quiet, Im trying to hold back my judgment until the game is released, for all we know that could be under clothing she is wearing for a small part of the game from after she escapes the torture stuff.

Gazondaily4038d ago (Edited 4038d ago )

@KingKellog

"Im a huge Halo fan, but 4's art was a huge step back for the franchise it lost much of its identity and took much of its base aesthetics from other franchises rather than from previous title"

I have to completely disagree. Halo 4's art style carries on the legacy of original Halo:CE and takes it to a whole new level. It's what lingers on the most in my mind. It's look and feel is in a class of its own.

Compared to Halo Reach, I think it shines through even more. Halo 4's level designs in terms of art style were the best ever since Halo:CE in my opinion.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

Regarding Quiet;

"for all we know that could be under clothing she is wearing for a small part of the game from after she escapes the torture stuff.

And then chooses not to clothe herself afterwards? That seems like quite a stretch of the imagination, even for a Kojima title. Hideo might add some context to it later on but the core reasons for it are apparent now. But should it detract from the experience of the game? I don't think so.

KonsoruMasuta4038d ago (Edited 4038d ago )

Halo does look generic. Nothing about it is really that great.

And as another user stated; why didn't you have a problem with the cortana model in Halo 4?

Gazondaily4038d ago (Edited 4038d ago )

@KonsoruMasuta

"And as another user stated; why didn't you have a problem with the cortana model in Halo 4?"

If you're directing the question at me, look at my first post.

Clarence4038d ago (Edited 4038d ago )

There is nothing unique about halo character design. It's very generic and boring, just like the game.

The artist for metal gear Yoji Shinkawa would easily out design all the character artist for halo.

http://www.vg247.com/2013/0...

Clarence4038d ago

Well why not make Cortana, a old over weight AI? This guy is a hypocrite.

Gazondaily4038d ago

@Clarence

Yeah because that will really enhance the affinity between the player and Cortana right?

Look at Halsey for proof.

snipes1014038d ago

Why are people surprised that the Japanese are making something exploitative? Look at half the shit that comes out of there: Rumble Roses, Dead or Alive Beach Volleyball, most fighting games - they love exploiting women. I don't agree with it, but it's hardly shocking to see another game do it.

Also, this isn't the first time that MGS has done this with women. Remember all those tit shots of Naomi in 4? What about all the bosses in that game that were dressed in those tight ass body suits? This isn't the first or the last time we'll see something like this.

As a side note, for someone to call Halo 4's art generic, I don't agree. Of course it was inspired by Alien - the developers have said so in the past. I don't see anything in the Alien movies that resembles the forerunner structures, though. Also, I have seen people say "Alien and other sci-fi franchises" do any of these people want to be specific, instead of making generalizations?

Withdreday4038d ago

To be honest with you, a guy of this caliber has no business going after Kojima.

Imagine if a production designer of some Transformer movie all of a sudden came out and said questioned a guy like Steven Spielberg and the direction of his latest film. He'd get puzzled looks all over the industry. That's exactly what's happening here. Some small potato going after a legend over his creative choices.

To me, this is more than likely 99% this guy trying to make a name for himself than him actually being offended by the character design, make no mistake about it.

Also, how will this effect future MGS games on Xbox if you have guys from your first party studio ripping the guy that made it?

Could MGS6 be a PS4 exclusive? I say that likelihood just increased 10 fold.

pedrof934038d ago

Because 343 are the best right ?

What about Cortana ?

spicelicka4038d ago

Even though I don't like cortanas sex appeal, there's a good reason and context for her being that way. According to the story shes a very high ranking A.I. and her creator designed her like that intentionally so that when she gave orders or whatnot, the soldiers would listen, specially the males tend to be a lot more receptive to orders if they're given from a sexy female.

Beyond that, cortana is a hologram, her appearance can be anything and 343 dont post half naked models of her just for sex appeal. Its fine if there's a reason for these models to be like that in game, which i doubt, but kojima is clearly advertising her sexuality.

And for the people saying theres shirtless males too, well instead using that justification, why dont u just argue sex selling is wrong either way.

TheDevKit4038d ago

I'd just like to remind you that you're on N4G.

extermin8or4038d ago (Edited 4038d ago )

Hahahahaha I'm sorry but it might play well and is very popular but halo has for me and I'm sure many other become synonymous with "generic space marine design" the only game I'd say fits a generic stereotype is gears of war which has the whole generic steroid addled marine hardman/women thing going on with giant guns to compensate for...other things :p Although Quiets clothing I agree makes no sense, infact when me and my mate watched the E3 trailer we both burst out lauhing when we saw her because her attire was so rediculous. But tbh MGS isn't known for it's realism now is it? :p I doubt this hs been done JUST to sell more. There will be some story reason or symbolism in the way she dresses. Although I suspect she doesn't dress like that before she's tortured (see E3 trailer)a s that trailer suggests the electric current torture is what ruins her tights... but whatever. It's not like it's only the women in mgs that have this weird hyper sexuality thing accross the games... I mean did no one ever tell vamp to put a bloody shirt on for starters. Or liquid for tat matter who I seem to remember sheds half his clothing before the final fight in mgs4?

roboteye4038d ago

I wouldn't call Halo 4's blatant inspiration from Tron "unique" ;)

JD_Shadow4038d ago

So, let me see if I got this straight. Females can't CHOOSE to use the freedoms they are given to want to bare their midriff, or be sexy or whatnot? Please tell me we're not shoving morality down throats here. We should tell females, then, that it's not okay to let their hair down and just be themselves if being themselves means showing off? If a female is strong willed and smart, then she can dress however the hell she WANTS to be dressed, and any author has the right to show that she HAS that freedom to do whatever the hell she wants to do and to dress however she wants to dress. We're pushing for females to be presented as equals in games, yet we want to force them into a situation where they can't dress "sexy" if they choose to dress like that while men can be near naked? C'mon!

For the record, 343 doesn't know how this character will act, what her personalty is, or any of that.

dmeador4038d ago

@darkpower
So, let me see if I got this straight, if a woman doesn't choose to be strong willed, and is stupid, then she CANT make her own decisions on how she dresses?

Dont put words in peoples mouths, and get off your soap box. Most of peoples points are that woman should not be portrayed as just images to get guys going, and that their personality/character dev shouldn't be watered down.

And yes a woman can dress how she wants, but dont expect her to be taken seriously if she is just trying to get a certain reaction from the male population.

And to get on MY soapbox: It is ironic to me how some feminist use their sexuality as a way to show they are "equal" to men, when the very nature of it is to gain power over them

Deadpoolio4038d ago

Uh OH butt hurt Halo Xbot...Yes Halo is generic....Halo seemed to somehow get even more generic when Bungie left and 343 made 4....Halo has been generic since 3

cyclindk4038d ago

Skyboxes... Really? How about the more prominent designs, like BMX bicycle body armor yay!

TheBlackSmoke4038d ago

Halo is not generic, dat masterchief poncho changed the game.

Ps4marksthespotnotX4038d ago

It's a game the designer can do whatever they want, isin't that what games should be about creativity and fun. Why should all games have to cohere to this as real as possible approach, look what it did for GTA IV, nothing!

Ritsujun4038d ago

Says the girl that designed Heylow 4. LOOOL.

ChrisW4038d ago

As I said before... Typical Japanese marketing!

dantesparda4038d ago (Edited 4038d ago )

"Halo is known for it's unique design, with really weird Forerunner structures and beautiful sky boxes. How on Earth is it generic?"

What!? WTF are you smoking Halo is very generic and always has been. And also Reach a masterpiece? I can barely stand to play the game and the graphics suck and i really liked Halo 1 and like Masterchief (corny name though), but since then the series has just gone downhill for me

Evilsnuggle4038d ago

Loved halo1 and 2 Halo is lame and has jumped the shark NUFF SAID

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Evilsnuggle4038d ago (Edited 4038d ago )

Hideo Kojima

Metal Gear Solid 5 >HALO 5 NUFF SAID

JD_Shadow4038d ago

@dmeador:

Who's putting words in whose mouth again? I didn't see me saying that anyone CAN'T dress how they want if they didn't possess strong will and determination. I didn't even imply that! You're trying to find a way to incriminate something I said...why, exactly? Do you think women SHOULDN'T be allowed to dress however they want without the morality police knocking on their proverbial door? Hey, you implied that I said something! How does it feel when the shoe's on the other foot?

You know what I was saying. Of course some people that get on their own soapboxes (like you did before you said you were getting on yours, not seeing that you were already ON one) are going to say "how dare you dress like that" or "you're just contributing to the male patriarchy" when the people bitching might as well be contributing themselves. If someone doesn't like women being able to dress like that, then they should move to a country where women would KILL for such a freedom!

pixelsword4038d ago (Edited 4038d ago )

"i agree with Ellis, the idea of making stupid sexy characters in MGS just to sell more copies seems a little desperate."

Yeah; but everyone does it, like Aliens:cm

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

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Aceman184038d ago

This Ellis guy is a DB and hypocrite. He claims it works for bayonetta but here its wrong? Dude bayonetta is 10x worst than this.

His opinion went right out the window with that statement.

nosferatuzodd4038d ago

It isn't bad but it became pretty generic after halo 2 or 3 came out, after that it just the same game over and over again but fans don't care, it still a good game

thank you these guys love to hear them selves talk
343 Industries got a game that already have a huge fanbase ((HALO)) and now they think there god of games shut the hell up i don't like the metalgear sexy character either but still

Clarence4038d ago

I agree they just jumped on bungies leftovers.

Swiggins4038d ago

If Halo's art design is only generic because it set the damn standard.

That's not generic, that's genre defining.

Rainstorm814038d ago (Edited 4038d ago )

@swiggins

Wouldnt you agree that Master Chief is a upgraded copy of the doom marine?

http://fc03.deviantart.net/...

Or Tribes 2 (2001) kind look like it could be the template for Halo's MP ?

http://youtu.be/yR3Ftt07mDQ

While Halo is a good fun game that changed the landscape of console FPSes....it is somewhat generic

cleft54038d ago

In a previous post I said that Kojima was going to get a lot of heat for his choices. I got mixed agrees and disagrees for the most part. The point I was trying to make was that people are clearly on a witch hunt right now, so any hint of blatant sexuality is going to get a developer crucified.

Either way, this Halo 4 designer doesn't have a leg to stand on after how they sexed up Cortana.

StoutBEER4038d ago

cleft Agreed. Love Halo AND Halo 4. But Ellis done fucked up!

StoutBEER4038d ago

Noooo. Why Halo why? I love you and you had to go say something like this? If there's anything you should be criticizing is the lack of an ass. Now i'm gonna have to read these assholes commenting on a game and a game series I love negatively. Damn it. Started out as such a good day too. And screw all of you that say the art was bad and story generic. The Didact is one of the best villians ever.

cleft54038d ago

I love Halo 4 also and it is a shame that he is opening up Halo 4 to be criticized negatively.

LordDhampire4038d ago

Bayonetta is a ugly cow, if If I want to play a female character which I hate but if I have to she better be cute or something I dont wanna look at a porpoise, and to put a unattractive girl in a metal gear solid would be ignorant and unfitting.

Lord_Sloth4038d ago (Edited 4038d ago )

I find it ironic that he cites a woman who acts like a pole dancer in a tight outfit who shucks her clothes at any given moment just to attack as Sexuality done right yet has qualms with a sniper wearing very little yet knowing nothing of how she actually acts in game.

Besides, I'm sure that we'll see plenty of bare chested dudes running about and possibly another naked Raiden scene. As you said, Kellogg, MG is known for showing off both genders.

8834038d ago (Edited 4038d ago )

It gets ridiculous when the industry wears the guise of "all grown up -- mature" by shoveling mountains of foul language, gratuitous and often over the top absurd violence, AND THEN A RATED PG CHARACTER MODEL GENERATES THIS TYPE OF INDIGNATION?!?! Context argument or not, WHAT THE? For Kojima this has to be like being in the mob and being chastised by a bookie for running a gambling operation.

Abundant F words do not automatically make something "mature". Violence does not automatically make something "mature". Neither does sex. Granted they do tend to make a great number of 10-20 year old boys feel like they've had a brush with manhood so they can call it mature. Sadly, this actually indicates that the desire for such is, in fact, typically an indication of retained immaturity (we can own it).

Much of the time, these things are in the games because enough people enjoy them (and often justifiably so--it's a "game") -period. When someone in the industry goes on a self-righteous rant and -publicly- calls another respected figure out about a rated PG character model but neglects the rest, credibility, motive, and even character can rightly be called into question.

I wonder if he attempted to send a text to Kojima's team to express his concerns over the matter first and they just didn't respond -- therefore, in his mind leaving him with no alternative.

iceman064038d ago

+Bubs...well said...was thinking the same, but you articulated it so much better!

3-4-54038d ago

Halo 4's multiplayer maps are " Lazy & Exploitative"

Shut up 343

Rimfro4038d ago (Edited 4038d ago )

@Spicelicka: That is how the A.I. warning systems in US Airforce aircraft were designed. My father said that when they first introduced the systems in aircraft, the voice was a male voice, and they found that the vast majority of pilots would just tune it out, especially under heavy g-force maneuvers.

He said that they decided to switch the voices out with "attractive" female voices, and instantly the pilots were responding to the commands and suggestions. When you are in a controlled stall, on the verge of passing out, the female voice shouting "pull up now" (paraphrasing) made all of the difference. He said that it actually ended up greatly improving safety and efficiency. It only worked, though, with the female voice.

If that was actually the logic behind Cortana's "sexy" redesign, it's actually a fairly realistic representation of military tech design.

Back On Topic: I'm assuming that 343 has never played Metal Gear before. I remember the sniper chick from MGS PS1 being out in the cold, while everyone else was bundled up from the sub-zero temperatures, she was wearing a skin tight jumpsuit, unzipped down to her navel with her cleavage spilling out.

I get that Kojima is one of the most revered creators in the entire industry and that some may feel that his work is of such caliber, that design like this is "beneath him" at this point, but Metal Gear has always featured woman that don't like combat gear. I don't get the outrage, but I also don't necessarily agree with the design choice. It is, what it is.

Blaze9294038d ago

Men...are complaining about female sexual appeal in videogames. Hmm...alright now.

showtimefolks4038d ago

halo 4 designer opinion of MGS doesn't matter

ceed9114038d ago

Nothing like trying to save the world in a skimpy bikini top. Is that what you mean by purpose?

Also not to attack the Halo front but what other games have the art and design of Halo that were before Halo?

rainslacker4038d ago

You can't get people riled up if you take such a moderate approach though....:(

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-Foxtrot4038d ago

Oh and the new Cortana model for Halo 4 didn't become a little sexy compared to her past ones.

r214038d ago

Someone should reply to them with this pic.

GameCents4038d ago

Have you seen this though? http://medialib.oxm.co.uk/s...
I mean I have no words! She's about to go out killing people and sneaking about dressed like that? I know Kojima is Sony Deity but come on you guys, there is sexy and then there is just downright ridiculous and this is the latter!

LordDhampire4038d ago

If you want to sneak around in the jungle its going to be hot, the less cloths the better, and the more gear you have the more noise you make.

Shes a realist

isarai4038d ago

@ GameCents

Her skin works like the Octocamo from MGS4, you can see it in the trailer(her eyes changing from black) so bearing that much skin would make sense as her skin works as a dynamic camo system

ceed9114038d ago

Graphic quality includes and they made her look more realistic?

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Blacktric4038d ago

I wonder what the purpose of giving her slightly sagged but also much bigger breasts was...

Oh yeah, they already tried to cover up their bullshit by claiming it was because she adapted herself due to the time gap between Halo 3 and 4.

Who cares anyway. Most of the western developers have been crap ever since Bioware died.

DARK WITNESS4038d ago

Obviously... because women's boobs grow over time based on the amount of information they accumulate.

Golden_Mud4038d ago

Bioware is not the same Bioware in the past , most of Bioware employees are back at Microsoft in a studio called Black Tusk Studios

CrossingEden4038d ago (Edited 4038d ago )

Ironically it didn't, they purposely toned it down and made it more realistic and human looking, for example, halo 3 had dead or alive esque breast physics. Halo 4, these physics were taken away and during cutscenes the camera doesn't linger on her naughty bits nearly as much as it did in previous games with WAY more closeups on her face to show off the impressive motion capture technology. AND, last time I checked, David Ellis isn't the person who designed Cortana in halo 4. -_-

firelogic4038d ago (Edited 4038d ago )

Doesn't change the fact that he's too much of a coward to call out his own company/colleagues but has a level 99 internet tough-guy rank to call out kojima.

As far as I'm concerned, he should get his own house in order before mouthing off.

And Cortana has definitely been sexualized compared to previous versions. You people are saying it's ridiculous for a sniper to be wearing a bikini in the desert? Well why on earth does an AI companion need to be wearing a string bikini? What does that add to anything? Why couldn't she be wearing actual clothes? Why not have her model resemble Alex Vance? I'll tell you why. It's because SEX SELLS. Kojima came right out and said it while Ellis is standing behind some bullshit holier-than-thou pulpit.

Dan_scruggs4038d ago

Yeah but there is a difference between rendering a characters proportions more realistically over time (she is still digital and partially see through) and putting a character in a leather bikini and torn fishnet stockings. Not realizing the difference is just claiming ignorance.

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chrissx4038d ago

This mans being a certified hypocrite. Did he see his halo 4's cortana? smh

Studio-YaMi4038d ago (Edited 4038d ago )

And his response to the character design is as immature as he proclaims that the gaming industry is FILLED with(man babies).

I guess someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed,so grumpy !

Of course you have Cortana in Halo 4 (smh!)

Some people(even on this site!) are afraid of a little "flesh revealing" and boobs oh my God the blasphemy -_- ..!

gamer78044038d ago

don't get me wrong i loved halo4, but i believe cortana showed much more skin than this, which i totally support in both cases, its their creative vision, if we epitomize the male character roles as buff & gruff in MGS, why not have a tough looking female who's also sexy?

lets try to support one anothers creative decisions instead of throwing stones in glass houses...

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Metal Gear Solid 5, Nearly After A Decade, Is Still A Timeless Classic

The Metal Gear series, led by Kojima, pioneered the stealth genre, creating a masterclass in storytelling and gameplay.

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SimpleSlave113d ago (Edited 113d ago )

No. But MGS5: Ground Zeroes might actually be one of the greatest Game Demo ever, if not the best.

xHeavYx113d ago

I know a lot of people didn't, but I actually liked that story twist at the end. The game was fun and all, but I wouldn't call it a timeless classic.

Cacabunga112d ago

Metal Gear legend stopped with number 4.
MGS5 needed a year or 2 more of development to be maybe among the classics.. it was clearly rushed, especially at the end. The story teaches us absolutely nothing new.

just_looken113d ago

A demo is free that was a $40 cry for help as later we would know konami did not want to fun hideo and his team anymore that is why we got the unfinished phantom pain.

-Foxtrot113d ago (Edited 113d ago )

Meh

Great stealth gameplay but the game was just average.

Bland open world that felt lifeless, the story felt shoehorned in, unfinished story etc. The whole thing was just average to me compared to the other main titled games.

I would have rather preferred it if they kept Ground Zeroes for the main game as the opening and the rest of the game turns into a Metal Gear 1 & 2 remake to bring things full circle.

just_looken113d ago

If you dig around they had old behind trhe scenes of phantom pain vids and books wrote around the time.

Before funding was puled the main idea was to keep peace walker coop it was in the games early builds and that end game were your building your base that was suppose to be metal gear one.

You as the fake big boss was going to make your own metal gear one map aka your base (outer heaven) then me as sold snake use the mode that is in the game invade/defeat the base even fight your current version of metal gear that was in the game but not finished.

So your idea was on the table bit got canned.

CrimsonWing69113d ago (Edited 113d ago )

Like hell it is. That was the first time I became aware of being sold an unfinished game and was blown away about blind fanboys saying it was some perfect game.

Yea, the first few chapters were great until they do that thing halfway and make you replay all the missions again. Then little things like capturing animals but only seeing a JPEG unlike 3 where everything was modeled out. Areas were massive, desolate, and boring to look at.

Game was a massive let down for me and the potential was so high for it. Honestly, this was one of the most disappointing games I ever played. What’s worse is it starts off brilliant. You literally play through until you get to the point where you could tell they just stopped developing and then quickly used glue and construction paper to “finish” it and then sold it. Quite frankly, that’s insulting to consumers and fans.

Inverno113d ago

People have selective memory. This game had huge drama attached to it, what Konami did to Kojima and this game was horrible. Now they praise Konami cause they revived Silent Hill, even though SH looks half arsed too.

CrimsonWing69113d ago

I dunno if they’re getting much praise after the Silent Hill 2 debacle. Makes me scared sh*tless for the MGS 3 Remake…

Michiel1989112d ago

I don't wanna defend konami, but Kojima had 7 years to make the game, it's not that weird for a publisher to expect a game to be finished in that amount of time.

Also no one is praising konami from what I've seen, they're just excited that a Silent Hill game is releasing

CrimsonWing69111d ago (Edited 111d ago )

@Michiel1989

You’re absolutely correct. Look, the dude is a visionary and has brought us some incredible games, but he constantly would go over budget and could never stick to a deadline. I don’t know if people remember the MGS 4 trailers but it became a joke when you’d see a release date and then they crossed it out in the next trailer to give another.

What a lot of people don’t know is there’s a certain amount of money given for development and marketing. When you go over the budget and add additional marketing over the deadline it isn’t cheap. MGS GZ and V were laughable to me for the amount of time he had to develop them and he spent even more time on the engine that wasn’t anything revolutionary to me. I mean, GZ was nothing more than a demo and they released that art like $40 I think, probably to further help fund V. He then spent money for Kiefer Sutherland who did nothing for the character, which I think Kojima just wanted because he’s a fan.

Konami just had enough and said this is the deadline and you’re done after this. It’s business, but fans took it personal. I mean look at this Overdose game he’s been doing.,, like when is that ever coming out?

Michiel1989111d ago

I kind of forgot about overdose but yeah exactly my thoughts. He has made some of the best games out there and definitely deserves time to create his new masterpiece, but it's not a bottomless well.

This is pure speculation but I imagine he got around 4 years to make the game excluding pre-production. If after those 4 years the game is nowhere near being done, the relationship will be strained between them one way or another.

about the konami being praised thing, if let's say blizzard announces world of warcraft 2 today I'll be excited as hell for the game, but that doesn't mean my opinion of blizzard changes only a tiny bit cause they're still trash.

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Yui_Suzumiya112d ago

Yeah, it was the only MGS I didn't play and this is coming from someone who got back into gaming after skipping a generation due to MGS4 back in 2008. It just seems to be the complete opposite of the MGS I always knew and loved (1-4).

JEECE113d ago

Yes and no. In many ways in was a great game; there's a very strong argument that it has the best gameplay of any MGS game, and that it is one of the more interesting open world "playgrounds" we have gotten, in terms of how the world operates. But as an MGS narrative, it is pretty far down the list, for many reasons.

Storm23113d ago

I don't think there is any argument. The gameplay was incredible. But yeah...disappointed in the rest. Could have been incredible but...well...we all know what happened...

JEECE111d ago

I don't think there is much of one either but apparently some people found the world very boring compared to the more linear structures of other entries so I didn't make a definitive statement in order to acknowledge the outliers.

DarXyde112d ago

The thing about Metal Gear Solid is that the narrative is what determines which is your favorite because the gameplay had ALWAYS improved with every mainline entry. It's amazing.

If it was gameplay, we'd all say The Phantom Pain, but the story is what truly sets them apart.

For me, that's Snake Eater, which is also my favorite game of all time.

JEECE111d ago

That's my favorite too, particularly if we are talking about the subsistence version with camera control.

Fishy Fingers113d ago

For me, best gameplay, worst, everything else.

Storm23113d ago

Yeah...gameplay was so damn good.

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The Metal Gear series has sold 60.2 million copies, as of September 2023.

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Nyxus329d ago

Now we'll have to see how much the Master Collection will add to those numbers.

Number1TailzFan329d ago

Too bad it was a lazy release. They could've updated the visuals and everything. Missed opportunity.

Stanjara329d ago

...and yet, they couldn't give more respect and effort into the collection.
What a terrible company.

Minute Man 721329d ago (Edited 329d ago )

Are they counting every game?

Edit: they did

Nyxus329d ago

Yes, these are total lifetime sales of the entire series.

ApocalypseShadow329d ago

.... mostly with the help of PlayStation.

Michiel1989329d ago

Get that Sony tramp stamp while you're at it. No one asked