With the converging systems coming ever-closer, does it really matter what system wins anymore? Alex of the IP team decides to put his thoughts out there.
Yes It does. I'm not so quick to follow MS blindly like some. I've seen what they think of gamers once they've had a little success. I won't support them because they realised they couldn't screw the majority and get away with it. They turned their backs on the same core fanbase that's supporting them now.
The article is basically asking if a superior product matters over an inferior product. People can make all the excuses for wanting an inferior product until the cow jumps over the moon, but unless your excuse is wanting said inferior product for a specific reason while acknowledging it's inferiority, youd be silly for thinking its on the same level or better than the superior product. one company tried applying unfriendly tactics to their product for gamers and the majority frowned upon a lot of what was being offered while lying and saying said tactics were irreversible but had to do a lot of 180s showing what liars they are. The other company implemented consumer friendly tactics that smart gamers praised
this time it is important because it will decide what philosophy the gaming industry will take in the next decade. so far a loss for DRM and DVR, and a win for gaming.
If you don't care about spending more money for something that you don't need, all packaged in a slightly less powerful box, then there's one clear choice for you at this point.
superiority vs inferiority would be relative if we are comparing a generational difference in products. But since this isnt about the 2600 vs the Super nintendo.....the technical aspect doesnt really matter. both platforms are effectively in the same class. what it comes down to is creativity in using each platform to the extent. having experiences that are exclusive to one or the other due to design and development structure. Sony has always had the advantage when it comes to a stable of creative studios. This gen could be the one to break those generational stereotypes we have become accustomed to.
"Sony has always had the advantage when it comes to a stable of creative studios. This gen could be the one to break those generational stereotypes we have become accustomed to..." and darth... what do you know at this point that would tell you things "might" go otherwise? You mean the way MS came out swinging at the May 21st reveal lol? How would MS suddenly become the shepherd of all great 1st party console devs?
Sorry, had an ebay auction to win so i couldnt edit my comment. Generational stereotypes like the cheaper console is the most successful and the most technical console sells the fewest. This gen could change all that. PS4 could be the most technical that ends up selling the most. Wii-u is the cheaper console that ends up selling the least. XB1 is the most expensive console that ends up being right in the middle. so madden...would you really want things to be the same? That would make the ps4 out to sell the least because its the most technical. And the wii-u will sell the most because its the cheapest. XB1 would fit somewhere in the middle or maybe trade places with ps4 because its the most expensive. This gen could be a game changer for lots of stereotypes....just keep an open mind.
It does more than ever
Agreed. The new PR campaign is to say the machines are the same and that's BS as well. Numbers don't lie. PS4 has more raw power and it will be in your face with first party games. Microsoft are overclocking their system to make the gap not seem so wide, but that will be detrimental to the XBO lifespan. Sony has no need to overclock its system to play catch up because it has the superior hardware and design. @darthv72 - The systems are not effectively the same. The PS4 put games first with its hardware design and XBO did not. Stop spouting mis-information. Microsoft said the numbers don't matter but are overclocking everything they can to try to reduce this gap, but they cant because the hardware design and specs are so very different.
So when the 360 had a more powerful GPU.. Did that make all games look better then ps3 games? When everyone loves to talk about how much better ps3 is, I find it hilarious that now specs are the end all, be all of gaming.. Hypocrisy runs rampant around here
@n4rc - 360 was not a more powerful system overall. The reason PS4's better specs are such a hot topic is that PS4 is also cheaper than the One. That's my point of view anyway. As for hypocrisy, how about the One fans who say specs don't matter until there's a rumor about the One being made stronger?
@n4rc The PS3 games did the talking. Don't forget Blu-ray too.
I'm not a spec whore.. I fully understand they are only one part of the big picture.. Hardware is a paperweight without software.. I hate being lumped in with idiot fanboys and I don't mean to do the same... But you can't deny that many only care about X issue when it favors them.. That's the point tho.. 360 had a better GPU and was easier to code for... Yet you will all say ps3 games look and play better.. Now that its the exact opposite.. People are ready to count them out before they even release.. Its the very definition of hypocrisy
@n4rc - We are not all hypocrites. Some of us just base ourselves in reality dealing with tangible facts. PS4 is a gaming device that can also be a media hub. The XBO is a media hub that can also play games. I wish XBO all the luck in there pursuit to take over the living room and change the way we view and interact with television. Good luck with the media hub, but I am buying a Gaming console.
"Generational stereotypes like the cheaper console is the most successful and the most technical console sells the fewest." darth my friend... what on earth are you sipping today? The PS3 smashed this stereotype just like it smashed HD-DVD! PlayStation 3 (PS3) 78.92 ($600 @ launch/one yr later) Xbox 360 (X360) 78.34 http://www.vgchartz.com/ana... Get the next stereotype to smash - I'm ready because I can't stand 'em!
Yeah and a wii beat them both. Technical inferiority FTW! Honestly, you dont know these trends and how long they have been in place?
darth to answer your question straight away, yes I am well aware of the trends but really this information affects my life very little and detracts little if at all from the fact that MS is forcing an ad camera onto all of their customers. This is the main part of my argument because the article poses the question, "does it matter?" Now you want to go drop the Wii in the mix lol. The Wii smashed sales and filled a huge gap left out by that of the two HD consoles - the casual market. That's it. I don't play sales and I don't play sales trends. Yes I see the point you were trying to make originally that the more capable PS4 (more technically advanced?)could end up selling more, the WiiU the least and the Bone right in the middle. Hell I don't care who's in the middle or last, I just want kick ass exclusives and a RELIABLE piece of hardware. I don't want an ad-camera forced down my throat for $100 more while MS blows smoke up my arse telling me how much more awesome the games are going to be for it... when we clearly know they're not. The Kinect and Xbone were originally designed and built as an all in one information collecting and entertainment delivering machine. The entertainment delivery and custom tailoring was to be based on all of the data mining it did in your living room. Does this sound like it was designed as a gaming console first? I know you want to be all even handed and neutral but even a baby can smell the poo poo here..
And Sony didn't do the same thing last gen? 599 Us dollars ring a bell? That's just one reason among many, but the point is is that both of them could care less about you and me. They only like money. After all, they're both businesses. But Sony learned their lesson and righted all their wrongs last gen and with this coming gen. And yet, you praise Sony for their fixes, but bash MS's? Talk about a double standard. MS has righted all of their wrongs as well, but the difference is they did it before their console even came out.
If Sony was being dicks with $599 they sure do have a funny way of showing it. You realize they were selling that thing at hundreds of dollars of a loss? A man recalls it being over $800 just to manufacture.
Doesn't change the fact that it was too expensive for the average consumer. The only reason they sold it that cheap compared to cost to make was so they could at least have somewhat of a chance to make money, but most people did the right thing and said no. Sony realized their mistake and fixed it with a price drop.
Only thing that matters is games.
Agreed. +bubbles. I'll buy the system that showcases the games that I want to play.
I'd like to agree, but this entire "season" of console reveal and launch proves there's more that matters than just that.
I love hulu and netflix and crunchyroll. Feeds my anime addiction. But I can use those apps on anything. A phone, a vita, a tablet, a ps3, hell its built into TVs now. Thats no reason for me to buy a PS4. Its expected. I'm buying the PS4 for Batllefield 4,WarFrame, PlanetSide 2, Killzone:Shadow Fall, RIME, Driveclub & inFAMOUS:Second Son among many more. The launch line up and first year of the PS4 is the best I've seen. Literally 70% of the games coming I want. ThisIis a great time to be a gamer and a terrible time for my wallet. Plus I have VITA and a Wii U too. God I'm gonna be broke.
I wasn't meaning that, so much as the policies and lies and everything else. It's not so much about the games, not JUST about the games, anymore. Too much other stuff can and will affect the games.
Not to me, i follow the games, the X1 caught my attention and is keeping it. Also, pc for multi's.
PS4 for exclusives. PC for multiplats and Xbox exclusives.
I don't believe you know what the term 'exclusive' means... An exclusive game is exclusive solely to its designated platform and to none others. I'm not attacking you for wanting a ps4 and pc for your games, I'm just criticizing you over your logic of using a pc to play 'xbox exclusives.' Now, if you used the term 'microsoft-platform exclusives' or even 'xbox-pc exclusives,' then yeah, that would make sense. @Bathyj I don't necessarily care how many xbox/pc exclusives there are (and I won't even get into how many ps4/pc exclusives there are at the moment) and that wasn't my point. I was simply attempting to correct his phrasing, which, in its current state, doesn't make sense.
I think that was a dig at the amount of Xbone "exclusives" that are also on PC.
Oh I know what exclusive means. It seems a lot of people around here don't though. It was a jab at those who don't get it. It seems a lot of Xbox "exclusives" end up on PC. I don't buy into that whole "console exclusive" bs. It's only exclusive if it's available to that particular system (console or pc) and no other. Titanfall is a perfect example. It''ll be available on 360, Xbox One, and PC. By no means an exclusive, whether Microsoft platform or not.
@Chug Right, so you basically just reiterated what I just said. And you could basically take your argument and apply it to the ps4's launch date games as well. I won't get into that any further. My main point in commenting was to correct your phrasing. Jab or not, an xbox exclusive title can not be playable on the pc. And the same goes for some of the ps4's launch titles.
My phrasing? I thought i clarified I was making fun of other peoples logic. Look at who I was replying to in the first place and it might make a little more sense. Not that I wanna go on all night about your nitpicking or anything. You also seem pretty comfortable calling PC/Xbox games "exclusives" in your original comment, so no I did not reiterate what you said. Because that mentality doesn't make sense to me. You could "basically" say the same thing for the PS4 launch exclusives, but won't get in to that any further? Please, go on...
What matters is the PS4 is the superior console of the two. That's a sure thing.
the Xbone needs more cowbell
Proof? Oh yeah, there is none. :P Both will be amazing, just play the games you like and be happy and don't bash someone else's choice of console. :P
It does...on N4G that is :-P Kidding aside. It does for competition purposes. This bodes well for consumers. Let Sony, and Microsoft duke it out back and forth. We win as consumers and gamers.
A great comment mate....couldn't agree more....
who the hell disagreed with you a blind person. Your comment had no hint of falsity in it we all win as gamers I do guess I'm overreacting to a disagree, but people come on!
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Of course it matters. It concerns my money.
No. I already made my choice so I really don't care.
Consoles are about choice, we choose to play on a closed system, we choose to play exclusives, we choose to pay for services, some of which are free on the PC. So unless they are saying get a PC as both consoles are way too similar. Then yes it does matter.
I'm not bothered simply because I don't care what others think. For me the X1 is offering the games I like and features I want. NO this is more powerful or superior talk is going to change my mind.
Articles like this makes me think that the Xbox camp is going through stages similar to grief. In this case that since things are looking better for the PS4 the console "war" no longer matters. For me, someone into single player titles in an age where social media has gotten into everything and the high costs of making HD games pretty much ruined creativity and experimentation, its been a difficult eight years.
Yes but the wave of independent games seems to focus more on the unique singleplayer experience.
*AFTER* eight years. And generally not on the main consoles.
I believe the Xbox One will "lose" this generation in sales to the PS4 not because it's weaker. The stronger more powerful console never wins the sales console generation. Just look at history to see this. It comes down to games and price. The majority of console owners and consumers don't really care about specs. They care about games and price. This is where MS dropped the ball so badly it's almost comical. For the first time in console history of gaming, the more powerful console is also cheaper then its direct competitor. This is where Sony gets credit. Smart move on Sony's part. Average consumers will walk into their game store and see both sitting side by side. Look at the games which both will have plenty of and almost all the same 3rd party titles... Then they will look at the price... Then at the advertising that the PS4 is more powerful. You know how that's going to go... Expect a major price drop on the Xbox One sooner then you expected...
Xbox is like a third wheel. Always trying to steal the spotlight with its annoying, recycled jokes, bad breath and hygiene. PS4 and PC covers everything. Xbox is just redundant, expensive, and unnecessary. Of course if you're rich, or want to waste money, go ahead. But don't say you weren't warned when M$ screws gamers over for a third time in a row. Its what they do.
My short Ansew thoe im gonna get Alot disagrees is No because Sony Won as they always have well thats my opinion. Good hardware Check first party studios Check Libary exclusives check History of given back to gamers check Sony dominated with the PSX thx Nintendo dropping out on deal, Sony won against a awsome true 128bit saga dreamcast Segas own fault. PS2 More games Sony fan base was growing free online play growing number exclusives PS3 eventually won over the world and wowed everybody even got 360 gamers buying the system because of the games they had to offer along with again free online no subscriptions awsome New ips and Old ips. SONY FTW
Doesnt matter how similar the Consoles get. The companies backing them couldnt be more different.
I suppose it comes down to what games and company policies you like.
Doesn't matter to me. All the fanboy talk is just childish. I am Xbox One day one. You Sony trolls can say all you want but has the ps4 shown anything I mean anything that outshines what we have seen on the Xbox One... If you are honest and not a troll you know the answer is heck no!
Ps4 has shown enough ps4 has shown/forced M$ to change the policies on the xbone.The Reason It's so much News For Xbox.Is Becuz They Keep Flip Flopinq Lol Get That Fact Through yah.M$ Was fallinq. Ps4 Has All The Extra Features The Xbox Have plus more and better hardware.We all know Sony first party studios are gonna kill this gen.Yall baq on The ps4 For showinq indie support by Most if There Launch line up bein indie games.Those Indies games Are Good they might not be AAA titles but they are good and they look fun and that's what its about.We All know how Yall xboxs fans raved about Minecraft a (popular indie game).To get to the point if Sony would have went the same route we all would have been stuck with DRM machines.luckly Sony didn and it forced changin on the Xbox to compete.The ps4 is on fire and m$ can't take the heat. Point blank.Sony first parties are goin to destroy,They finally got there self together
Wouldn't say that Sony's "on fire" more that any mistakes they might have made, they realized them quickly enough to make changes before they were noticed. MS, and default their fan-camp, on the other hand seem to be oblivious to mistakes made. To the point they have to be going off the cliff before they even notice much less change direction.
What Mistakes Would Those Be
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