Battlefield 4 on PS4 comparable to “Medium” settings on PC, “night & day” difference to current-gen

Battlefield 4 on PS4 comparable to “Medium” settings on PC, like “night & day” difference to current-gen version

[HammadTheBeast]

If it's medium settings, then there is 0 excuses to be made for it not being 1080 p, other than laziness, and focusing too much on current Gen.

[sklorbit]

especially considering killzone running at 1080p with 60fps,
I am guessing they didnt get a lot of time with next gen consoles sadly.

[jayswolo]

KZSF does not have vehicle warfare, destructible environments or 64 players. You obviously don't have a clear understanding of tech.

[theWB27]

Killzone doesn't have 64 player maps with destructible environments, land, air, and water vehicles either all at the same time. I wish people would stop using Killzone as a benchmark for BF.

Two different games and Killzone is made for one platform by first party devs who had more time and better tools than 3rd party devs.

That being said...it's the beginning of a gen cycle with lower end consoles still being developed for. When the next gen consoles are better optimized and more familiar...I'm sure the next Battlefield will be a better product than what we see now.

[starchild]

Yes, let's compare two completely different games and expect equal results in all areas.

KZSF is a "soft 60fps" which means the framerate will fluctuate down below 60fps.

And KZSF isn't doing all the stuff Battlefield 4 is doing. The scale, the physics based destruction engine, the large player counts, the vehicles, etc.

[u got owned]

@sklorbit

you can't compare KZSF with BF4 the scope of the latter is bigger.

@HammadTheBeast

remember this game still a launch tittle for the new consoles.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

Killzone has a fraction of the player count, with no destruction model at all in the game. Why do people insist on saying "oh this game isn't next gen if it doesn't do this. Oh if that other game can do it, then nobody has an excuse." You cannot just wildly make direct comparisons like this, especially when you have zero experience with software development.

[malokevi]

Not only that, but this is one guy making first hand comparisons using the PS4 gamescom demo. I think it's safe to say that a demo that only supports 16 players is a significantly cut down version of the game.

Why don't we just wait for release before we start jumping to conclusions. Would that be so hard?

... I rescind my previous statement.

[3-4-5]

Killzone doesn't have as much going on in game as Battlefield does.

Much more being processed in a BF game.

[black0o]

the witcher 3 will be on the same lvl as high setting on pc .. so i guess DICE needs to drop the act and admit the fact that they put 120% into the pc version

[My_Name_BTW_Is_Dante]

"the witcher 3 will be on the same lvl as high setting on pc"

This is what console gamers actually think.

[NewMonday]

Planetside2 dose 2000 players and will run on high end PC settings.

if any gamer that can afford a $2000+ high end PC he should get one, but for those who can't BF4 will look great on the PS4/XB1

don't trust Scot Low anyway he has been fishing in his last few articles and tweets.

[Faztkiller]

I've been playing a lot of pc games lately. The jump from Medium to Ultra or whatever is not a big difference usually just adds little touches that take a big hit on performance but don't make the game much better looking.

What i'm looking forward to the most in the new consoles is Draw Distance, better resolution, and anti-aliasing. Current gen games already look great, in my opinion, but its hard to see because of these issues

[zebramocha]

Resistance 2 had 64 players on the ps3,so it wouldn't be impossible on the ps4.

[thekhurg]

@Dante

"This is what console gamers actually think"

It's what CD Projekt Red thinks. But they're only making the game, so they're probably wrong.

[quenomamen]

Guys stop comparing KZ to BF4. KZ has less players, smaller maps, probably very little to zero destruction, maybe 1 vehicle, etc. KZ has more im common with COD thatd why it can run at 60fps @ 1080p.

[okmrman]

stupid comment

[elmaton98]

well if it is on medium setting and maybe 60 fps its gonna look real good as it does on pc.

[Yukicore]

@ My_Name_BTW_Is_Dante

The only way a game on console could look like PC on high settings IS if the game is developed with poor level of visual quality -OR- developers haven't made any graphical improvements to PC version over console version.

[shinrock]

i read its 720p.

[Ju]

There is no excuse to tone this game down AND scale down the resolution. One or the other I would (maybe) understand, but not both.

The PS4 has 6 cores available. Those should easily be able to run the physics and animations - if they don't want to push those the GPU just yet.

Listen to Guerrilla's interview. KZ is designed for "48" characters (24 players + 24 wasps (or whatever those are called)) - almost same requirement on performance.

Vehicles or not should not make a big difference. because of the scope, a lot of detail can be toned down in the distance - which actually reduces render load close ups - you could also expect players spread out far more than in KZ which again means less to do in one spot. The scope should not have an impact.

Draw distance isn't an issue - 8GB GDDR is plenty to work with.

Just because we are so used to those limitations in current gen does not mean this should be the norm on next gen.

If it's "low res" it should have the best lighting Frostbite can deliver, but sure doesn't at this time. There is no point of physic exact wind simulation of palm trees if the rest looks like...I won't say it...

The only thing I could maybe accept is that this is a launch title and Dice will figure it out eventually. Deferred rendering got introduced far after PS3's launch - compare Bad Company/BF2 to BF3.

[UltimateMaster]

Lame excuses.
Microsoft is buying off EA to not publish games for the Wii U and doing the very minimum for the PS4 and giving everything for the Xbox One.

However, they made that alliance Before E3.
Meaning that the DRM restrictions were still in place.
EA only cares about money, and if they see they can make more money off of PS4 gamer, then they will bring those games to the PS4, just like they did with Mass Effect in the past.

[Wni0]

Killzone SF has better graphics than the BF4 on consoles.

And its not like we aren't going to see more impressive games than BF4 in 4 years on consoles...

[mikeslemonade]

This is why I'm not excited for Battlefield 4. This is lazy game development. No excuse that this game shouldn't be played on or near max settings aside from the lower frames and resolution which is expected for consoles.

The game doesn't impress me even on max settings on PC.

[corvusmd]

KZ only runs at 60 fps in the MP mode

[starchild]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
If that doesn't impress you then nothing should impress you.

[otherZinc]

Killzone isn't running 1080p native at 60fps. Not through that campaign, that's fact.

[0neShot]

@jayswolo and @theWB27

The reasoning you both argued was the same old reason for the current gen, but this is next gen and next gen specs is comparable to a hign end gaming pc at the moment, if not better because consoles have custom components.

It only appears that the much beloved, worshipped and much hyped frostbite engine is actually crap.

[pixelsword]

I didn't know so many programmers frequented N4G.

[nukeitall]

Turns out the PS4 is a supercharged PC. It is a supercharged "low-end" PC equal to a medium setting PC.

[andibandit]

KZ:SF, has a player cap of 24, BF has 64, so it's pointless comparing the two.

[minimur12]

I don't trust DICE.

Purely because they said that their frostbite engine wont run on the Wii u.
Yeah right.
It'll run on an 8 year old console with 512MB of RAM but can't run on a console with 2GB?
I call bullsh*t

[_LarZen_]

Killzone is not running 60fps in 1080p in the singleplayer part. It's running in 30fps, in multiplayer it's graphics are downscaled and running at 30fps.

[MWong]

@ minimur12
It probably would run on a WiiU, but I think DICE/EA/most 3rd party publishers don't think the WiiU has the sales to justify the cost for the game. Nintendo kills with it's 1st party software, but 3rd party publishers really don't sale.

BF4 will probably run in a resolution something higher than 720p, if DICE is saying it's comparable to "medium settings on PC." I also heard talk about upscaling to 1080p.

All in all it will be an amazing game. Who would've ever thought a BF game would run at 60fps and 32v32 on a console?

[WarThunder]

BF is crap another generic murican shooter...

They want to rush everything so they can sell...

BF3 released in late 2011. You need to tell me they worked on the so called "new" engine for only one year? lol a new engine takes minimum 4 years.

Not fooling me DICE... You just want to rush things so u can sell more... Because u know you have hordes of sheep gamers want to play your generic brand just like COD (another generic crap)...

[ebreda]

Well, does that argument also apply to Forza 5 being 60fps and Driveclub being 30? Or in this case it's, you know, perfectly comprehensible?

[marcofdeath]

killzone single player mode is 30FPs 1080p, Multilayer mode is 60FPS 1080p maybe.

[Imalwaysright]

@ WarThunder Ding ding ding we have a winner. This game is being rushed to compete with another rushed game: COD.

Also this is the first wave of next gen games and no one truly knows what these consoles are capable of, not even the devs themselves. This is not about being lazy, its about market share and the fact that the devs don't have the necessary experience with the hardware to take the most out of it.

[ThanatosDMC]

Really surprised that they cant do 1080p. They should be able to even sacrificing some LOD. Wonder if it's because of Xbone.

MS could demand parity again.

[Dynasty2021]

KZ has bug all going on compared to Battlefield.

BF4 has 64 players, massive maps, jets, tanks, the whole shebang.

You go enjoy your little Killzone, I'll be enjoying the better game in BF.

[abzdine]

one more reason to prefer Killzone over this s***!

[Mini0510]

LOL just look at the comments above me. No need to repeat anything.

[Convas]

Then go assist the engineers working at DICE then Hammad.

Show them how not to be lazy devs since you seem to be able to determine how a game should be made just by reading a few quotes on the interwebs.

@Sklorbit: You and EVERYONE who uses Killzone as a reason for why Battlefield 4 should run 1080p60 are ironically, showing just how gullible and uninformed you are.

[seanpitt23]

This is depressing me alot! according to this these new consoles are really underpowered a new generation of consoles should match pc on high settings then as the years go by the pc out performs it like ps360 but it looks like these new machines are not what they are made out to be. Well I have faith in mark cerny as he said the consoles true power will come out 3 to 4 years down the line when devs get to know the hardware fully.

[HammadTheBeast]

Battlefield on medium settings, if you've tried it on PC, is nowhere near what Killzone's MP trailer showed graphically.

I know, there's physics, lighting, vehicles, and the new dynamic water system available, but I'd hoped they'd target 1080 60 fps.

With the graphics card that the PS4 has, it should be possible.

On a normal PC, you'd be close to that level of performance with the same card, but not quite, so for a specially optimized version, I'd hope they'd get it.
Then again, nothing's confirmed yet, so we'll see.

[Salooh]

I for one agree with seanpitt23 and HammadTheBeast . I talked about this before . I don't think BF4 is using all the ps4 power , that would be lame . The developers are either not used to next generation and need time to learn or limiting the game to port it to this generation or they are just lazy and don't want to make effort to make it 1080p or all of them lol

Yes , sony and ms chose kinect and cheap hardware to apeal to people in present instead of bringing the best tech to shock us. But i still think both can do much better then BF4 . BF4 is just a launch game..

[arronax-1]

Then again, it was people like you who loved comparing Battlefield to Modern Warfare.

[Ju]

You will be surprised when Dice will use KZ:SF as an example again to improve their next version of Frostbite on PS4. They did the very same when they were the first 3rd party studio which actually introduced deferred rendering in BF2/3 when this technique became so successful with KZ2 and 3. Because exactly this will happen down the road.

[Kleptic]

EDIT:

Are we reading this right? Its worded kind of strangely...

is he saying the PS4 is like medium settings, or the PS3 is? the medium settings thing comes in when comparing the ps3 and ps4 version directly, and how much better the ps4 version is?...kind of lost...

[badboy776]

We learned this gen with multiplats being ported to the PS3. That Developers are LAZY!!!!!!!! It didn't have shit to do with the Cell.

Who ever disagrees Go play the Last Of US!

[XboxFun]

Different games with different designs with a totally different multiplayer aspect that has a greater number of players, destructible environments, vehicles, more weapons and weapon customizations.

You guys really need to stop leaning on LOU for every argument.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

And here goes another one. Yea let's take a game from an in-house studio with access to everything they need, be it time, money, or tools, and compare it to a game from a third party dev, with no obligation to go out of their way to cater to the one platform with foreign architecture, and then let's call them lazy. Let's ignore the hours of hard work the dozens of people put into the game, and let's disrespect their first hand knowledge of all of it, just because your overzealous instant gratification of your little hobby wasn't massaged the way you wanted. I cannot believe it is 2013 and people are still playing the lazy card. Please educate yourself. You would be doing everyone a favor, yourself included.

[black0o]

@xfan then play KZ3 on 3D TV then let's see what u hve to say the

[BISHOP-BRASIL]

@KwietStorm

I'm not agreeing with badboy776 on calling third party devs lazy but your perfectly fine point have one flaw. Those devs have all obligation to go out of their way and cater to all platforms they are developing for, foreign architecture or not. Let's try and not invert things here, no one twisted their arm to develop for PS3, they deciced multiplatform was good business.

But don't misunderstand what I'm saying as catering to fanboys and their pissing contests, I'm talking about calling devs out for badly optimized games, untested games, uncomplete games or outright broken games. Not some extra pixels or effects.

Other than this point, I completelly agree with you. People are so self entitled they think developers need to expend extra time to get every little pixel extra so they can use as "console war ammo"... That's pathetic! Of course devs should be concerned about doing their best (even graphically if possible), but it should be about delivering a good experience (their vision if you will) to everyone they are serving, not about endless and pointless comparisons.

It's really sad people will try and pin the lazy card on DICE now, just when they are finally adressing the real problems with BF3 on consoles (low player count so maps were empty, low framerate so gameplay was a bit off, etc). Oh but you want ultra settings and 4k res on a 400 dollars console just so you can rub it on the face of your PC elitist friends? Boo the f'ing hoo. As long as the game is good enough I can't care less how it compares to other games or versions.

[CrossingEden]

Um, you do realize that developing for ps3 was much harder because of the ridiculously hard compared to the other consoles right because of the complicated hardware. Delusional fanboy. Obviously a first party studio is gonna be better at game development for a specific console than third party studio.

[Ju]

bishop-br, I agree and then I don't.

I seriously don't care how this game plays on the PC. If I wanted that, I'd simply get it on PC. I want the best possible game which pushes my console to the max. If this means adjustment of game play so be it. It worked well with BF2/3.

I don't call them lazy. If anything, they gave in to pressure from (PC?) fans and EA - to make sure to release with last gen and keep the version on par with PC. Wrong strategy in every front. A bit more time (spring release?) would have had an impact - on tech and gameplay.

This is a rush release to make sure they can release with PC/current gen that's all this is.

Plenty of shooters out for release. Gives me time to see how it'll turn out. Not jumping onto this at launch.

[tee_bag242]

Both the PS4 and X1 are grossly underpowered to play this game at ultra 60fps. Simple.
Build a bridge or a PC and get over it!

[AndrewLB]

KwietStorm- Hate to break it to you but 3rd party game studios have MORE incentive to work hard and put out a solid product, especially since they don't have the massive financial backing of a parent company in the event a game is a flop. If small developers screw up, they go bankrupt.

The best example of what i'm talking about can be seen every day here in SoCal where multiple large scale freeway construction projects are underway. The 605/405/22 interchange has been under construction for three+ years now and estimates are they wont finish for another two years because the vast majority of the work is being done by unionized government employees aka CalTrans. These lazy bastards get paid huge money, take a 15 minute break every hour, 2 hours for lunch, get full medical/dental/pensions, and on the rare event you drive by and they're actually working... it's typically one or two guys with five or six standing there watching. See... they don't have to work hard because their corrupt union contracts make it almost impossible to fire anyone, but more importantly... government employees don't give a rats a$$ about deadlines, cost overruns, etc because they think taxpayers will keep perpetuating the insanity.

And to further emphasize my point, every time these freeway projects have to do a complete shutdown for 12-24 hours due to removing a bridge, etc... they ALWAYS hire a private contractor. Just like with 3rd party devs, these private contractors don't have the luxury to work slow because they actually have strict deadlines to finish the work and have to compete with other companies who will gladly take the job if they don't perform.

long story short... F*ck Government Employee Unions. And small game studios have the best games. It's only when they get bought up like Bioware did after they finished Mass Effect 2 did they screw up an amazing game series. Ea sucks.

[Bobby Kotex]

How does laziness translate into the resolution the game runs at? Because obviously to you the limitations of consoles don't exist. So many people love to talk out their ass.

[PlayStation_4]

PlanetSide 2 runs on max on PS4, and imo that is more visually impressive than BF4 from what I've saw (plus the map is huuuge)

[Pandamobile]

Huge, sparsely populated maps.

[Destrania]

Exactly this. Planetside 2 runs 1080p on PC equivalent 'highest settings' on PS4. DICE should have moved to next-gen ONLY and got to grips with the systems and optimizing the code for those systems rather than developing on some ridiculously expensive PC and simply downscaling and upscaling the effects, player count, etc. until it functions on the other platforms. That's not how a proper port should be done. You have to rewrite code and reroute information properly for the system or else you get a crappy unoptimized version of the game (Orange Box for PS3 anyone?). You should be simultaniously developing for each individual platform (though I know this takes up more time and resources). PS4 is capable of incredible things which we've already started to see. I know BF4 on my PS4 will be fun but I'm not expecting great things in the same way I am with next-gen specific and PS4 exclusive games.

[HammadTheBeast]

2000 players, about 100-200 different surface infrastructures, and Hossen, the new map, has TONS of trees over the surface, each with their own physics.

[pandehz]

Planetside 2 does not look nearly as good as BF4.

It looks plasticky with quite fake-ish lighting and yea its very sparse. Having trees here and there is nothing.

Does not have the intensity in action nor density of graphics BF3 and 4 have.

[Ninjamonkey82]

@ Destrania Ain't a PC owners fault you don't have a high end rig m8 that's your own issue.

As far as DICE goes they have made PC games all along so why should they exclusively make games on Console esp when the gameplay is to be found on PC.

I'm a big fan off console and there's shooters i will play on Console only but they where made for console not PC first.

Halo killzone etc when it comes to competitive FPS proper shooters IE CSS Battlefield Quake UT COD4 its always been PC as a one stop for me.

Consoles have there pluses but so do PC. Sooner people release this the better.

[Destrania]

Unoptimized code is unoptimized no matter what way you slice it. Plus, this is just some random guy saying this stuff and the game's release is still 3 months away. Jeeze people. btw, I have a decent PC that I play games on a lot. I know how advanced PC's are and will be. However more often than not I'd rather play games on my console, though everyone has their own preferences.

[koolaid251]

What are you smoking? Planet side 2 is a 2 year old pc free to play game nothing exciting about it graphically sorry to burst your bubble lol.

[Kleptic]

^uh, totally agreed...you guys are complete crack heads if you think maxed out PS2 has ANYTHING on BF4 visually...hell even BF3 on ultra is miles ahead of planetside 2...

its NOT bad development on Dice's part...I've purposely waited on a gpu for BF4 in my recent PC build...I want to see what the best card is for the game, and save money with the AMD deals coming with it...

so for the time being, i'm only running games on my AMD richland A10 apu...yes...thats integrated graphics...I can lock in about 28 fps 1080p with everything maxed out on PS2...and no discrete gpu whatsoever...there is a reason the PS4 can run it maxed out, too...because its not that technically impressive of a game...yeah yeah, big huge maps and lots of shat going down at once...but a true display of what can be accomplished in real time rendering, it is not...at least, anymore...

[andibandit]

planetside 2.....are you joking?

[shutUpAndTakeMyMoney]

@HammadTheBeast
"If it's medium settings, then there is 0 excuses to be made for it not being 1080 p, other than laziness, and focusing too much on current Gen."

They turn down the resolution to get it to play at medium settings, 60fps lol.

current gen not hurting pc though? nope.

Just admit ps4 is not as beast as u want to believe.

Get ps4 for exclusives and pc for games like this.

@PlayStation_4
nah bf4 looks better than ps2 and that levelution!!

Skyscrapers falling, weather changing, 64 players, destruction and high end graphics...

consoles ain't ready man.

I would tell all ps4 gamers to get killzone.

man pc is ahead so much and it gets worse next year with gddr6.

I applaud DICE for not holding back pc.

I said nothing wrong. truth hurts..

get that infamous looks awsome...

[HammadTheBeast]

.... I do have a gaming PC, it runs BF3 perfectly fine on High at 70 fps.

I'd just hope that they'd be able to push the consoles to either 1080 p/60 fps, or higher graphics....

[AIndoria]

Don't give us PC gamers a bad name please.

[JunioRS101]

I've owned every console including a gaming rig equipped with a GTX 680 and cpu overclocked to 4.5 Ghz.

The PS4 would not be able to run BF*3* at medium settings @1080p.

I don't think you console folks understand the difference between what we BF players got on PCs and what you got on consoles.

I bought BF3 premium for PC and bought BF3 for Xbox.

If you have an adequate 1080p monitor, and a real rig, and ran BF3 on medium settings, you would be pretty impressed by the difference.

Now, this isn't to say that PS4 is incapable of delivering that fidelity of graphics, because it is, but it won't happen for BF games. The code for BF is too rugged for consoles' peculiar architectures. BF games are designed with the idea that players will just upgrade their PCs if they want to play on Ultra.

EA Dice doesn't give 2 shits about your PS4 or Xbox One, and that is the unfortunate reality.

BUT, PS4 exclusives will look phenomenal. Just wait for those. If BF4s graphics aren't enough for you, just don't buy it! If you've never played BF PC then you have no idea what you're even not getting lol if all you have seen so far in video games is PS3 graphics than you will be very pleasantly surprised by PS4 BF4. Relax.

[windblowsagain]

Incorrect.

The cpu inside the PS4 is about the same as my i5 2500k performance wise.

The GPU is 7850-70 - 570-580gtx.

I know for a fact you can run BF3 @ 60fps on high @ 1080p.

The differnce is nobody fully knows how much more BF4 is doing vs BF3.

I'll give u a bigger clue.

E.A - DICE - Still do not have system requirements on their website, because they are still in the dark because optimization takes up to the last week.

[HammadTheBeast]

Again, I have a gaming computer, I'm just making a point,

[Mini0510]

nah i'm pretty sure PS4 can run BF3 high 1080p 60fps if they optimize it.

[JsonHenry]

Wow. This is very disappointing and I don't understand why this is. A 7870 running ~720p rez with 6gigs system RAM and 2 gigs GPU RAM on a PC can easily play the current BF3 on ultra settings.

Either BF4 really upped the visual settings over BF3 or the devs just haven't put much time in on the new systems. :/

[the worst]

battlefield dev are way overrated.

[Hello_World]

But think at the CPU in the next gen conosles, they aren't on the level of an FX AMD or i5 intel....and Battle is very CPU heavy.

[Ju]

I totally agree with you. I think PC players have no idea what constrains BF4 will put on their PCs. All we go by is running BF3 on "ultra". Now, a PS4 should be able to run BF3 (!) on those settings just fine.

If it can't do that with BF4 than there is some serious power required for this version and you will be surprise if 80% of your PCs won't be able to run this game @ 1080@60fps either. Or BF4 is far from optimized at this stage.

BTW: Dice themselves state on their own dev blog that BF is NOT (!) cpu heavy. It follows the 20:80 rule, 80% gpu. 8 (6) jaguar cores are sufficient to run this game.

[Hello_World]

Yea, 8 jaguar cores are sufficient to run it at medium settings and below 1080p. This is a console using an APU, not discrete graphics technology and it was never going to run BF4 anywhere close to 1080p on Ultra settings.

[Zackarios]

This is the thing. I think it's pretty simple tbh:

consoles rely on optimisation to get the best performance out of them, as we know. That's why exlusives always look the best, because time has gone into optimising it. And that's why 3 years down the line we're going to see some incredible graphics on the PS4, but even from thrid party developers, as by then they will have had time to learn the hardware and really optimise for it.

The issue here is all of this together: Dice are developing BF4 for so many platforms, current gen, and next gen. The consoles are also brand new, not even launched yet, so they have no chance to find out how to really use the PS4's power at this point. Add on top of that, that they are not only putting 64 players in the game, which shouldn't be a problem any way you look at it, but they have chosen to run it at a solid 60fps.

That's the kicker. The 60fps. At this point, before the PS4 has even launched, developing for cross gen, running at 60fps is going make it hard for them to deliver the same quality as pc. I imagine a pc running BF4 on high at a solid 60fps would have to be a pretty damn powerful, expensive pc. So without the time, effort, and attention to optimize BF4 for the PS4, of course it's going to disappoint.

If they chose to run at a solid 30fps, even at this stage of the console cycle with this level of optimization, the visuals would have been very very close to the pc version on high.

I personally think it was a bad choice to go for 60fps because the visuals are now clearly going to suffer, and that will definitely, as we can already see, have a bigger impact than simply running at a solid 30fps.

It's not like most people are going to run BF4 on high at a solid 60fps on pc anyway. And not that I don't appreciate it, but a solid 30fps is actually not bad at all, especially if it was with BF4 at high settings for a launch title. I don't think anyone would have complained. But now look at the situation their in. It's a shame because, even though there is less going on, Killzone: Shadowfall is going to look far better. BF4 should have been a contender for best looking title at launch, even if it's not an exclusive. Graphics and audio is a big part of the battlefield experience. I hope the next installment will properly take advantage of the hardware next time round, considering it will be developed purely for next gen/pc.

[user7402931]

PLANETSIDE 2 runs max on ps4 and it has bigger maps, and 1000's of players on it. and vehicles.

dont tell me they cant run bf4 max...

@bumnut, should i believe you, or the developers themselves?

[bumnut]

They claim it runs on max, I doubt it does because PS2 is very demanding.

[MysticStrummer]

Since we haven't seen or heard anything on PS4's Planetside 2 in awhile, and we were supposed to get footage by now based on their own statements, I wouldn't be too sure about how well PS2 runs on PS4 just yet.

[Dazel]

Medium, ouch!!!! PC FTW every time.

[Izzy408]

Like every PC player has a high-end PC. Give me a break. Sure the potential is there, but at least half of the PC community can't run BF4 at the highest settings. So what are you bragging about?

[Kingnichendrix]

I have a high end Pc I got an asus rog mobo, 16gb ram 1600mhz, hd7990, intel 111gb ssd, 3 terabyte hard drive, r.a.t 9 mouse, quickfire mechanical keyboard, amd fx 8350 8 core clocked at 4.4ghz h100 water cooler and nzxt hale90 V2 1000-Watt 80 plus gold power supply. I work at McDonalds and i saved up for this I can also confirm the money saved from buying games on pc instead of consoles usually goes into tweaking mine. I can tell you lots of Pc Gamers have high end Pc's if you buy each individual component and if you time it right you can save yourself hell of a lot of money I guess us Pc gamers got lots to brag about

[starchild]

@Izzy408

And why does that matter?

The kinds of hardcore PC gamers that come to game sites to talk about and debate game-related subjects are exactly the kind of gamer to have a good gaming PC.

I don't care that not every person out there with a Steam account and who buys the occasional indie title can play games at high quality settings. I just care that I can.

[Dazel]

Yes not everyone has a high end pc but all the ones I know do, the lowest set up is a GTX680 so @ 1080p they should be able to run it on Ultra with AA off at a solid 50-60 fps. As for my 780, I've no worries but then it did cost as much as a PS4.

[Hello_World]

Medium settings aren't shabby at all in Battlefield. Still happy I'll be playing it on Ultra :)

[Reverent]

Battlefield 4 on medium settings still looks miles better than Call of Duty Ghosts maxed out. People can just never be happy.

[theWB27]

@blackOo
"the witcher 3 will be on the same lvl as high setting on pc .. so i guess DICE needs to drop the act and admit the fact that they put 120% into the pc version"

The witcher 3 is a single player game with static environments. It is not handling destruction, vehicles, and 64 player online at 60fps.

A lot of you people are really showing how little you know about game development.

[black0o]

it's an OPEN word u know what that means right

[theWB27]

I do and the Witcher 3 is 100% single player. No coding is needed for multiplayer. No coding is needed to ensure fast minimal lag connections between players from Kansas to Japan. No coding is needed for 64 players on a single map with destructible buildings and vehicles.

Since the Witcher 3 is ONLY for next gen and PC, no coding is needed for current gen consoles and the ability to roll over stats.

Do you get the picture?

[black0o]

the W3 is single player but it's put a nice load on the CPU/gpu and with all those NPC running around and events happening plus enimes do u think a CPU/gpu which can handle so many AI coding can't handle the physics result of 64 on smaller map compared to W3 word map and CPU doesn't even has to deal with complicated AI codes which takes a lot of the CPU powers

[Shadonic]

Coding is indeed needed for multiplayer. Coding is needed for basically everything that happens in the game world online and off even with judging who would be the most suitable host.

[MysticStrummer]

"If it's medium settings, then there is 0 excuses to be made for it not being 1080 p, other than laziness, and focusing too much on current Gen."

There are lots of excuses, because there's more going on in BF than in KZ.

This news means nothing to me. I said with BF3 that I'd rather they dropped visual detail in favor of more players on console. The same goes for Planetside 2 on PS4. Give me a smooth running game with lots of players over a beautiful game that stutters when the action heats up.

[kevnb]

hand in your resume over to dice :). Im not that surprised really, Ive seen the specs for the consoles. They want us to be able to play and record at the same time, maybe they should just forget about that. The next gen consoles just don't have the kind of power that the last ones did relatively speaking. Online retailers and competition from tablets and smartphones have brought pcs to more affordable prices than ever. Right before the 360 came out $1000 for a decent desktop was normal, now that's a fairly high end gaming machine. Also when the 360 came out it had a video car equivalent to a high end desktop, now we are taking mid range gpu with nearly entry level cpu (albeit 8 cores). Nobody should care that much though, consoles will still work and look good enough for the people who thought the current ones were good enough. Next gen consoles will atleast have good frame rates, thats a huge jump. We don't have tvs that can only do 30fps interlaced any more, a 60fps target is the sweet spot for most people.

[THamm]

I think EA and MS deal have something to do with it. Bah, no really I think they are pulling our legs, it'll look good

[Gster]

Here's my theory on this. Things have been very quiet on the xb1/BF4 side of things. There has been little or no coverage of how the game performs on xb1. I feel that this is where the disparity lies between the two consoles. The xb1 being 40% less powerful than PS4 would more than likely have difficulties in attaining a 1080p/60fps resolution in BF4. To be honest I can't see the PS4 having the same problem.

We all know very well that EA and MS are working very close together on a number of projects at the moment. I think it would be fair to say that EA are quite deep in the pockets of MS. I would conclude that MS could very probably have convinced EA not to have a higher resolution on one console over their own. As this would have very negative effect on possible pre-orders and launch sales of xb1. So unfortunately, yes we are already seeing the performance capabilities of one console being held back by that of another.

Hopefully this doesn't set the trend for future titles, and I imagine it wont. I think its just giving MS and xb1 a chance to breath, and get out off the blocks with maybe not a sprint, but a healthy jog. Then in a few months when all the hype dies down, developers will be keen to express their work in its fullest potential on each different platform.

[THamm]

If this is the case, I think EA and DICE will lose all credibility as pub and devs and Sony shouldn't certify it. No game should be held back purposefully but I see where devs get burnt out or lazy or cheap. We will see but it will sell anyway

[Gster]

@Thamm
Believe me,I wish that was the case. I'm one of those who have already made up their mind which console I'm getting. But Sony cannot dictate to a developer and or a publisher how to produce their games. Sony will certify a game if it meets the criteria set down for every game that makes its way onto their system. This will be a standard criteria across the board for all developers/publishers to adhere to. Otherwise it would be one rule for me and another for you, which would be unfair business policy. Sony cannot just raise the bar for one game ie. BF4 minimum res 1080p otherwise non-certification.

[inf3cted1]

Nope, just face that PC is better and will always be better. Battlefield uses alot more resources than KZ.

[norkee]

Lets see what a pc bought for 399 can run battlefield at. bet it wouldn't look as good as ps4. if your used to current gen consoles then next gen will look amazing. dont worry about what a high end gaming pc will look like. you get what you pay for.

[andibandit]

you sound worried

[norkee]

worried? how do you say? i have pc and ps3 versions of battlefield. i would just rather sit on my expensive couch playing on my 60" screen with a controller, rather that at my computer desk. besides 60 fps is what really counts.

[Muffins1223]

Hey that shits running at 60fps, if you want 1080p say goodbye to that 60fps with battlefield 4.Battlefield 3 on pc itself is next generation compared to the console version.My gpu is twice as strong as ps4s and im positive i wont get 60fps on max settings.

[SonyPS360]

Or that the console hardware just can't handle it.

[spaceg0st]

wtf do you know?

massive maps, 64 players, dynamic levels, 60fps...

f*ck off and go back to call of duty

[AKS]

@HammadTheBeast

You act like it's as simple as toggling between 1080p and 720p in the settings. Going from 720p to 1080p is a huge difference in computational requirements, especially with all that is going on in the multiplayer in BF4.

You accuse DICE of being lazy, but it doesn't sound like YOU have spent much time trying to understand the technical aspects of what you're proposing.

Let's also keep in mind we're talking about new hardware. There's a big difference between the graphics of something like Resistance: Fall of Man at the beginning of PS3 and The Last of Us toward the end of this generation. Similarly, you're not going to get the best looking games ever on PS4 within the first few months.

[stragomccloud]

PS4/Xbone are mid range gaming PCs. You can't expect something with an APU to keep up with dedicated CPU/GPU setups.

[ginsunuva]

Yeah, but 60fps makes it a wee bit harder to achieve 1080.

[BallsEye]

Actually medium settings from high often don't differ that much. It's few effects and such that most people won't notice. What's most important is AA! Jaggies begone!

[_-EDMIX-_]

....da hell are some of you smoking? Because you know how Frostbite 3 is made? Because Killzone SF's engine is something you understand and know is BETTER then Forstbite 3?

Killzone is running 60fps for MP, 30 fps for single.

What many need to understand is that 1080p 60fps is not just a DAMN MODE YOU TURN ON OR OFF! !

To say "there is no reason for it" wait what? Because you work for DICE and can prove they can indeed do this? Do you understand that GG works for Sony and clearly can aim KZSF to run 1080p 60fps, DICE can't do such a thing for MANY reasons.

A. If PS4 can do it and XONE can't, they can't just have a "bad" version.

B. Forstbite 3 is much more advanced then many think. Getting 1080p 60fps has to do with MANY FACTORS!

Game.

System.

Team.

If I have HL2 on PS4 and it runs 1080p 60fps....its better then BF4? Ok...if i have Super Street Fighter II running in 1080p 60fps on PS4....is it because PS4 is just powerful?

LMFAO! PLEASE PEOPLE! You need to understand that more goes into making a game 1080p 60fps then many realize. Yes...I can max out HL2 on my PC and do about 100 plus frames on it...I can't on Crysis, but Crysis looks better on my PC then HL2.

(but its not running in the 1080pz or the 60fpz lolz)

I mean...do you not understand that your asking a different team, with a different engine to perform the same feat?

Its like asking a indie race car driver to use his F1 to just a ramp, because a motocross biker did. Just cause its "possible" doesn't mean it is FOR EVERY ENGINE IN EVERY SITUATION! Its funny cause I'm getting BOTH BF4 AND KZSF.

Owning a PC while owning consoles makes me understand very much so why such a thing may not be, but I'm still ok with it.

One doesn't simply "do 1080p 60fps" buddy...there is more to it then you think.

https://battlelog.battlefie...

Thats what it took to run BF4 at 1080p 60fps. There are better links, but I will leave that up to you.

It took 12GB of ram and a HD 7990.

BF4 is as cross gen as it gets, Next gen for consoles, is not the same next gen for PCs. Of course the PC version will look better, but hey...look at what it takes JUST to have it run 60 in 1080 ^

I'm ok with it running 60fps 720p. Many of you guys have no idea what it really takes to run such a beast engine MAXED OUT! PS4 is hands down one of the beefyiest (if that is a word) systems to release and sorry but a PC with a "next gen" BF game would just not be able to run on it with out limitations. Its just how technology works. I know this and I'm STILL GETTING IT ON PS4!

[arjman]

If my i5 and HD6850 can pull 40-50fps with a mixture of high and medium at 1080p then consoles have no excuse!

[thezeldadoth]

Get used to it, the ps4/one are not as good as sony and microsoft PR tried to make you think it was. They're already behind PC's from 2 years ago.

[illizit]

I didn't expect anything different, not that the PS4 isn't capable, but they simple do not want to invest the time/money on optimizing their code. Why should they when people will buy the product either way?

[SegaSaturn669]

I would attribute this to laziness rather than the console's performance. I mean, it's so early in the cycle and they're saying this.

[joe90]

If you want the best games with all the best graphics and cheapest prices then a PC is the way to go, I don't think next-gen is going to be a massive jump like PS2 - PS3 was.

PC is and always will be the best machine for gaming.

[3-4-5]

I can run Planetside 2 on MAX settings on my $600 ibuypower computer I bought in March.

It's efficient, and more than enough and only $600.

You don't need a $1,000 machine anymore.

[KazHiraiFTW]

"If it's medium settings, then there is 0 excuses to be made for it not being 1080 p, other than laziness, and focusing too much on current Gen."

How bout the hardware is so weak they can't do 1080p 60fps medium settings. I think that's a pretty legit excuse

[50Terabytespersec]

A PC AT HIGH SETTINGS WILL COST $1000 to $2000!
FACT!
So if a 400 dollar console can do this IMAGINE what a $1000 SONY "NON" off the shelf Highly Specialized system would and could do!!
16+ Cell processors Raid 0 SSD, 400GBpersec Video Card..SUPER FAST 12GB DDR5, SUPER Fast BLURAY...
ONLY A LARGE COMPANY Like Sony can Build a machines at cost that can do this but would you buy this??.
(hell my Xperia Z can push almost the same amounts of TFLOPs as the Xbox360!) I paid 800 for it !!

Microsoft should of did this (went all out ) but they went broke with Phone8 and Tablets and Vista and Used game policy BS and now have this very average xbox one..Shame shame!
PC people can go fork cash for Alienware or stay home with PS4?? $$ save money invest in your Jobs and a future!.50TBPS

[andibandit]

better switch back to decaf

[SIRHC13]

This disappoints me. 720p Medium Settings on NEXT GENERATION consoles?

Kind of unsettling.

[M-M]

Both the PS4 and Xbox One versions will more than likely be higher than 720p. As for the medium settings thing, that's kind of expected since we aren't paying a great sum of money like we would if we were buying high end PCs. I do think it's because they're focusing on bringing it to PS3, 360, PS4, Xbox One, and PC that they aren't able to optimize it for high settings. They're just scaling it, making a few changes here and their and getting it ready in time for console launch.

[JsonHenry]

But it doesn't take a high end PC to run BF3 on high/ultra settings. That is the problem. :/

Most likely it is exactly what you've said though- they focused their time and money on the largest install bases. Which doesn't include next gen consoles.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Why? Are you slow? Because you know how demanding Frostbite 3 is right?

Its like if DICE made BF4 run on a HD 5770 and made it max out a HD 7990.

Your telling me its PS4 "fault" for not being able to play the maxed out version of BF4? Did you stop to think that maybe....JUST MAYBE BF4 just might be one of the most demanding PC games to date?

BF4 on PC was running at 60fps, 1080p........ON 12GB OF RAM ON A HD 7990!

What makes you so damn slow, is that you don't seem to really know what questions to ask.

If I told you (dude I play BFX on medium settings)...how on earth do you know weather that is "good or bad"?

Because you know what system I run?

Because you know what it takes to run BFX (as in really any damn game)

Its like saying "dude BF6 only runs on medium on PS4...weak dude totally" yet disregards that to max it out at 1080p 60FPS on PC you need 16GB and a HD 9990 LMFAO! So....just because they are saying that is the setting they are running on, on consoles....doesn't mean its a bad thing. Do you know what BF4 looks like MAXED? Do you know 100% with a damn link what it takes to run BF4 on Frostbite 3 to max it out? So....what are you disappointed about?

A settting to a game you have no clue about its engine?

Buddy...did you play HL2 in 1080p 60fps? Well just because I played in at over 150fps, didn't make the lower setting "ugly" it just means I have a better rig, don't blame Valve or DICE, upgrade your rig. Hell even Sony is not to blame, do you think they knew DICE was making a damn engine that would need 12GB of ram and a HD 7990?

PC's running 12GB and HD 7990 are what they are deeming "high settings" sorry buddy, but 'medium" is GREAT if your talking about what they really used to make it run on high. You can't be "disappointed" at a level that you don't even know just how high it goes.

How can you get mad at medium with no damn clue what high was in the first place? In that case HL2 looks more real then crysis. Oh but its on high and runs at 1080p 60fps doe.....

There is more to it then that buddy, know the scale before you begin to cry.

[_QQ_]

I guess you get what you pay for.

[BoriboyShoGUN]

say it aint so :(
On the bright side atleast were done with these ridiculous load times. BF4 and Killzone all day!!

[shutUpAndTakeMyMoney]

lol

get a pc or get killzone.

Yall ain't ready for 64 players with high end graphics.

That tablet apu should be beast though?

I will get bf4 on pc and killzone fpr ps4... console version is a let down.

But what u expect for $400??

[Studio-YaMi]

Seriously people are expecting a LOT out of a $400 console when $2000 PCs(YES $2000 PCs) have some trouble playing some games in steady 60FPS or high res.

I bet most PCs won't be able to play BF4 maxed out with 60FPS & 1080p res.

I don't understand people sometimes.

If you have a high end PC on a budget then you'll understand what I mean,not all high end PC are as powerful,you need to cash out lots of money to be able to experience the REAL buttery goodness of next gen.

[bumnut]

$3000 PC's have trouble playing most games at 60 FPS? I don't think so, a $1000 PC can easily achieve it.

Nice editing, but I still don't agree.

[Hassassin]

$1000 is more than enough for 1080p @60 in most games. You only need a good CPU and a kick-ass gpu (or 2 if you trust in sli working). Other components don't have to be that high end.
BF4 FHD@60 I can't comment on, as it isn't out yet.

[AKS]

There are a lot of nuances people are overlooking. First, the code they were running was not the final version, so it's not going to be nearly as well optimized as the version that's actually going to be released to the public. Thus, it's going to be more demanding and require higher end hardware to max it now with alpha/beta code than it will when it's finalized. It's foolish to try to price what hardware it takes to run alpha code, as that's not representative of what it would take to run the final version.

Also, I'd note that in addition to the optimization improving over time, the visuals also tend to improve considerably within the last couple of months. I played the PC Alpha, Beta, and Gold versions of BF3, and the visuals and optimization were night and day. The Alpha looked rather bland and had the fans of the cards I had at that time working in overdrive. By the time it was finalized and given a few driver updates, it looked worlds better and wasn't nearly as demanding.

If some of you would listen to what DICE is saying instead of getting pulled into the hysteria of this discussion on N4G, they're saying they're currently tweaking and optimizing and will go with the best settings possible that allow them to maintain the stable 60 fps frame rate they've targeted.

It's a big mistake to just look at figures and assume that's the equivalent of seeing the final version running in your home. What you think of great visuals when I throw out the figures "30 fps, 720p?" Those are the figures for The Last of US and Halo 4, arguably the best looking games on the PS3 and 360, respectively.

Some of you are acting as though resolution is the only consideration. This game is going to have a substantial number of demanding effects, physics, ect. going on in huge maps with lots of simultaneous players.

[Mini0510]

dude. I think a $1500 PC will run this game max. Unless you want like 100fps...
or you just go to best buy and buy a $1500 pc lol, which aren't made for gaming at all. Probably overpriced too.

[Stuntz]

im buying an X1 but still in general yes everyone and their mother knows ofcourse the better graphics will be on PC, its not rocket science here. I buy consoles strictly for the experience, i find the experience with gaming much much much much more fun, with the dashboard of the console, friends, etc. I PC game as well but consoles is what i enjoy.

[BoriboyShoGUN]

Yeah I play a little bit of everything. IM getting a PS4 but will be getting a better PC early next year. Ive been miserable with my buddys on Guild Wars 2 without me.

[IVanSpinal]

maybe a option like turn 1080p with 30Hz or 900p with 60Hz
just like PCs

[Muffins1223]

Would add advantage to 60fps players.The 60fps players could see you before you seem them...60fps makes a difference in how fast you react.

[Hassassin]

and in PC it doesn't add advantage?

Maybe someone prefers to play hirez campaign and 60hz multi. I support the power of choice.

[webeblazing]

that would be to much work for console gamers. they say have settings and customizable options like pc gamers is to difficult and confusing

[plaZeHD]

Goddamn DICE why so lazy?

[M-M]

I know right? I mean, they're only developing for 5 different platforms at once.

[plaZeHD]

They could just ditch PS3/Xbox 360, but no EA wants the money. But why even bother if they aren't willing to work hard for it?

[testerg35]

plazehd, yes.. they should drop the current 150 million owners of current gen and concentrate on the much smaller next gen market! /s

And that is why you aren't working for these companies.

[pandehz]

LOL YOU ARE NOT A NOOB

[ajkula]

these baby girls answering you are EA shareholders, they're gonna bite you to the bone if you free-willingly express your opinion publicly and risk a major market crash, beware!
Personnally, i dont care the level of details in comparison with PCs since i play on consoles, and lets see if the games develops loads of epilepsy crisis, i wont buy, if it pleases me, buy!
Lets ignore the pointless articles aiming for masses reaction to just keep the pastures alive and soundly...
Cheers dude

PS: too bad i cant add pics...

[ion666]

They should wait and optimize this bad maama jama.

[Kevlar009]

Either strong gamer PC's are much stronger than the PS4, or they didn't optimize it for the PS4 as well as they should. And this is for the PS4, Xbox One might be slightly worse as well

I'm assuming they didnt optimize

[wtopez]

Mid to High End PCs are much stronger than PS4. Yes they're more expensive but you get what you pay for.

[Arrrriibaa]

Lol..no, A good optimized Ps4 equals a MidendPC, the Xbox One a bit less.

Stop talking crap.

[wtopez]

@Arrrriibaa

A good optimized PS4 might equal a Mid PC from a year ago with an i3-3220 and an HD 7850 GPU. A mid PC from this year can have a GTX 770 GPU and an FX-8350 8 core @ 4.0 Ghz base. This is all from components that have been out for months. By the time the PS4 actually launches, these components will have dropped in price because AMD will have released it's new Hawaii GPU line. The power gap is large and will only get exponentially larger as time goes on. That ain't crap. It's just cold hard facts.

[bumnut]

@Arrrriibaa

Keep believing that hype my friend, live the dream!

[Gster]

@wtopez
I think you need a Mark Cerney refresher course. The PS4 is in itself a supercharged PC and with the customized architecture thats gone into it, it will be competing with high end PC's for at least another four years. I think you are underestimating the power of this console. All you have to do is look at some of the recent reports from interviews with developers who are currently working on PS4 tech. They're equating it to high end pc's, and very surprised with just how powerful it is.

I don't think the very bright minds who were involved in the architecture of the PS4 were going to construct a console that was going to be blown out of the water in a year or two by one of its chief rival platforms in the business. These guys are obviously very smart, and have looked farther into the future than you have.

[ExCest]

@Gster

That's a load of bull and PR talk you're believing.

PCs evolve much quicker than a static platform (a console) can.

[M-M]

They didn't optimize it, or it has yet to be optimized. Also, we don't know how late or soon they have gotten dev kits.

[Jovanian]

BF3 is actually amazingly well optimized for PC, and BF4 doesn't look too radically different so I'm guessing its going to be just as well optimized

[wtopez]

Yes. It's developer laziness and not a CPU that runs at 1.6 Ghz.

[Kingnichendrix]

This video confirms my fears http://www.escapistmagazine...

[WheatBread]

a netbook cpu at that

[venom06]

NO other next-gen game has 64 players @ 60FPS... NO other nextt-gen game has the level of dynamic maps and destruction... NO other next-gen game has the level immersion with LARGE scale battles.. if has graphics much better than PS3 and 360 with butter smooth 60FPS and 64 players, then that just fine for this epic game..

[Foxgod]

sarcasm: But 40% difference in consoles should at least mean the ps4 version should run in a 40% higher framerate and with 40% higher resolution and 40% more destructible objects......

OT, looking forward to this game, i already knew i should get multi's on PC

[MysticStrummer]

I get that you're being sarcastic, but why even bring that up? There was, and still is, a specific reason for that 40% figure, and I never saw anyone claim that it would lead to a 40% boost in everything, so as a fanboy parody it falls kinda flat.

[testerg35]

Shhhh... Sony fans don't like to hear that kind off stuff. The PS3 was a supercomputer so the PS4 must be limitless.

[WeAreLegion]

That kinda sucks. Can they at least run Battlefield 3 on Ultra?

[JsonHenry]

A PC with a 7870, 6gigs system RAM, 2gigs GPU RAM, and an 8 core processor could easily run BF3 on ultra settings. The problem is though the CPUs in the new consoles are extremely slow and even on the PC most games rely on single thread performance. I am betting if they actually coded for multi-core CPUs you would (and will once they get used to the systems) turn out much better performance.

But this is the start of the new generation. If I was making a game to turn a profit I would not put much time or money into the smallest of the market share either.

[WeAreLegion]

Wow. Thanks for the explanation. :) I appreciate it. Bubbles!

[PurpHerbison]

Not surprised, you'll be seeing a lot of this next gen.

[plaZeHD]

From first party devs and Rockstar? HELL NO, they actually work hard to get their product as good as they can.

[PurpHerbison]

Okay and what will you say when it happens? You sound like you can predict the future right now but don't like hype cloud a logical thought process. Reality.

[ExCest]

I sincerely doubt that all (NOTE: ALL) games can run 1080p 60fps on consoles, even in the future with optimization. They'd either have to lower settings or find some loopholes (like Uncharted).

Even Rockstar won't be able to pull 1080p 60fps on their games (they're open-world. Those are hell when it comes to getting good frame rates with good gfx settings).

[cunnilumpkin]

lol.....next gen console gamers should be grateful they even get 64 players to work on medium settings in 720p

they have 1.6 ghz cpu's and LAPTOP gpu's for petes sake

its amazing bf4 will run on them at all

and please, people with this killzone crap, the game looks last gen and only has 12-16 people playing on tiny little maps

I'm sorry but this;

http://daxgamer.com/wp-cont...

does NOT look next gen, mass effect 3 on pc looks WAY better, and that game is using unreal 3 and runs on a cheap laptop

[bsquwhere]

Stop being a complete tool. Time to get out your moms basement and meet some girls, or boys, I won't judge ya there. Get some sun and some veggies and relax.

[M-M]

I agree. He only goes into console articles, whether it's PS4 or Xbox One and tries to downplay them with some PC elitist talk.

[SonyPS4]

While I don't like his abrasiveness against console gamers he is still factual.

[ziggurcat]

you know, i really wish ****ty PC elitists would stop thinking that consoles are the same category as desktop PCs.

[windblowsagain]

YOu have just confirmed to me you are infact 10years old.

MASS EFFECT 3 - 2 - 1 all look crap. Sorry they do.

KILLZONE SHADOWFALL DESTROYS IT WITH EASE.

http://uk.images.search.yah...

[EXVirtual]

Ok. We get it. The PC is more poweful. Even so, you can't base everything off launch day.

[pandehz]

LOL you wont believe I actually noticed the exact same thing a few days ago and mentioned the same thing in one of these articles.

ME3 PC version does match up to KZSF quite close, even many parts imitate the art style.

Just google 1080p ME3 images and ppl will notice. I mean yea KZSF does look good cant deny that.

[windblowsagain]

Stop smoking the wrong stuff.

ME3 does not come anywhere near KZSF.

Not in lighting(best around) particles, sheer amount of polys.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Thought i'd show this. watch in hd.

Then revise your comments.lol.

[Sub-Zero85]

Spoken like a true PC elitist puppet , you know deep down Killzone : Shadow Fall look amazing so to say Killzone : Shadow Fall looks last gen your a butt hurt troll . Killzone looks just as good if not better than Battlefield 4 on PC want a side by side comparison ? You mad or mad AF ?

http://youtu.be/H82_dCY2Irg

[bsquwhere]

Does it play the same. Oh it does just not as shiney. Cool.I can still fly planes and blow shit up. Cool. I'm in.

[Master-H]

Is that true ?..Pre-order canceled
.
.
On the real though people should stop obsessing too much over graphics , if you like BF you should get it since it's a clear improvement over the ps3 version visually and player count and 60 fps , and probably other stuff we don't even know about too.
CoD ghosts is probably gon sell a shit ton of copies as usual, do you think people is getting it based on graphics ? lol people buy it because it's FUN to play in their opinions.
Same should be applied to BF, just because it is known for it's kick ass graphics doesn't mean it's improvements in gameplay like the levulution system or whatever should be overlooked.

[WitWolfy]

IMO most people just buy every COD because its easy to hack. Sometimes its mods gets released days after the games' release at times...

That and it has LAN MP of course...

[Belking]

Battlefield 4 will be best on pc and xbox-one because of direct x. The game was developed with that in mind.

[M-M]

"Battlefield 4 will be best on PC."

Fixed that for you buddy.

[Belking]

You didn't fix anything. You basically agreed...lol

[bsquwhere]

Don't bother with Belking its like talking to a stool. A much dumber stool, that actually doesn't serve a purpose.

[cfir]

Why do people go on about Direct X. It's a software library developed to combat the multitude of differing graphics cards. It's not some voodoo magic that improves the capabilities of the underlying hardware. Sure it can make developing easier. But at the expense of not coding to the hardware directly, so you can't make maximum use of specific hardware.

[MysticStrummer]

"Why do people go on about Direct X"

Because they're deluded enough to think it's the only way to do the things it does. Same goes for Smart Glass. Some people still think Tiled Resources are also an XB1 exclusive, and the Cloud, and... the list goes on.

[ziggurcat]

proof that it'll be any better on xbone than it will be on PS4? EA is in MS's pocket right now, so why haven't there been any articles related to how amazing BF4 is on xbone?

[ziggurcat]

yet another stealth disagree instead of backing up idiotic, unsubstantiated statements...

[DomceM]

PC #1. Go home with your xbox.

[HappyWithOneBubble]

I wish people would stop winning. BF4 will be great on consoles and DICE is doing a great job. Nexgen is just starting off. Give games time to get better.

[WitWolfy]

EXACTLY!!! Look how this gen started.. When I look back its definitely an achievement to see how most engines got better through out the years for their respected game that released.

I never though buying my first console all those years ago would benefit my purchase so much.

[JunioRS101]

If they actually manage 60 fps @ 1080p, you console-only players are going to freak out.

If you guys haven't ever seen a game rendered in 1080p on a high quality monitor, you literally do not have a clue how good video games can look.

If they manage to create something even remotely similar on PS4 (which is unlikely because that's not how BF games are developed - PC first) than you guys are going to shit your drawers in delight.

I wish you the best.

[Arrrriibaa]

There are more games than only Battlefield netgen. I'll stop playing it anyway if The Division, Destiny etc. comes. Im not that guy that can play a game 1 year straight. I need something new or i get bored.

[bumnut]

I can't go back to 1080, Im more of a 1440 guy these days. You really notice the difference when going back to 1080!

[solar]

I can't go back to 1080 either. The text looks blurry to me even.

[JoshHerrera]

PC?

[JoshHerrera]

You just got me even more excited for Killzone Shadowfall lol. They said it will be running at 60fps and native 1080p for mulitplayer. I do hope I can be a PC gamer someday. I have been thinking of slowly buying part by part to build one.

[webeblazing]

ill say get a nice case you like ok cpu and hdd, ram, and good mb all for around 250. play some indy games for now. and in the middle of the gen buy a mid tier gfx( gens ahead of ps4 n xbone).

[Ipunchbabiesforfun]

"Keep in mind you’re not spending $2,000 or even $1,000 like you would on a PC."

What a moron, if you spend $1000-2000 and can only run BF4 on medium settings you might be the dumbest person on the planet.

[Arrrriibaa]

DISGUSTING!..../JK.

It's ok. I don't really care about graphics and BF3/PS3 was already good enough for me which is low settings. Im happy that its 60 fps and 64 players so ok.

[Statix]

I personally don't care that much if the graphics are watered down in some areas, because in competitive multiplayer games, it's the framerate and gameplay that matters. In this case, having 60fps is preferable to having fancier effects.

Hell, many PC gamers turn off effects like shadows or motion blur in order to gain a competitive advantage in multiplayer.

[the worst]

battlefield sucks call of duty owns it hahahaha

[-MD-]

You couldn't be a more casual gamer if you tried.

[bumnut]

I bet you never even played COD when it was great. Early COD games were amazing and so was COD 4, then it turned to shit.

[BoriboyShoGUN]

yeah the old Call Of Dutys were great! had a blast on those games but shit just started getting nuts. With the dam perks, remote control cars, too much shit going on and not enough gun play.

[Statix]

Fyi, Alex Mendez (@GoldenBoyFTW on Twitter) says that Battlefield 4 on PS4 is "nowhere near as bad" as IGN's Scott Lowe says it is. Mendez has had some pretty extensive hands-on and hands-off experience with the game.

[Soldierone]

So in other words, give it a year or two before DICE starts crying about consoles again.....

[twinspectre]

BF4 can go fuck himself....Money Hungry Bitches

Fuck Cod , BF and also Fuck Titanfall

[Voozi]

sm0k3 w33d erryday xxx

Money
Over
Bitches

[Totoro17]

lol can we add YOLO to that?

[Mini0510]

hahah

[aquamala]

don't worry, BF3 on PC medium settings ARE night & day compared to current console versions, it will still be a pretty big jump

[weirdo]

this is disappointing, was hoping it to look like the high setting on ps4

[Stuntz]

doesnt matter to me honestly im going COD anyway. Never was that big of a fan of Battle field. Cod is more my cup of tea.

[byeGollum]

you ungrateful noobs ^_^, disregarding how much work DICE has put into getting you a game nearly up to par with it's PC counterpart considering how many platforms they're working on, trying to satisfy everyone. Wow.

[RegorL]

It will be very interesting to play the demo on current generation. How will that look?

[cyguration]

Like the fart of a turd... smelly and ugly.

[Niv]

Look at the required PC specs for BF4.

32bit OS, a gpu that's 7 years old

The game is built on those ancient foundations!

There's also another CPU and half hidden in the PS4 Gpu.

We don't need laziness. The Sony devs games goin to look insane!

[inf3cted1]

The BF4 specs are not even out

[windblowsagain]

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Love these medium settings, oops we don't know.

But that's running on the PS4. Pushes graphics over Crysis3.

[Indo]

From the gameplay videos, it's way better than current gen BF3 by a lot.And watching gameplay videos from Youtube hardly does the graphics justice conpared to in person. With better understanding of next gen consoles I bet Dice next BF will definitely be better than what is shown now.

[clmstr]

not surprising.
BF has always been superior on PC.

[terrordactyl]

It's 60 fps and 64 players, it will look far better than BF3 on PS3. I am sure all of the PS4 players will be happy.

The PC geeks on here woukd do well to forget graphics masturbating and look at the downsides of pc gaming. e.g. cheating, piracy, windows, drivers, viruses, spyware etc.

[inf3cted1]

There is also cheating, piracy and bugs on consoles.

You wont get viruses or spyware if youre not an idiot, and Windows 7 is a good OS.

[Jovanian]

"downsides of pc gaming. e.g. cheating, piracy, windows, drivers, viruses, spyware"

-cheating: present on consoles
-piracy: present on consoles
-windows: lol what
-drivers: don't have to be a computer engineer to know how to update these (unless you are a fool)
-viruses: easily avoidable (unless you are a fool)
-spyware: easily avoidable (unless you are a fool)

[LAWSON72]

I love fanboys who find this to be impossible and blame the devs for being lazy, lol. PC gamers have been saying for a while now that the specs are not that high end yet of course it is because the devs are just lazy, I am going to tell you fanboys what you tell us "dont think you are more capable and knowledgeable then the devs who are professionals".

[EXVirtual]

See? I don't think DICE is being lazy. I think it's just because it's a cross gen launch project. When devs spend more time with the hardware, they get more out of it. Launch day isn't the full display of a console. There's still so much optimization to be done. Even so, we aren't paying a huge sum of money for next gen to be on the scale of the highest end PC on the market.

[user7402931]

that's what im thinking.

[dethpuck]

People will be playing bf4 on x-1 at pax that souks give us some idea

[YourSavior]

Battlefield 3 still looks pretty damn good even on low settings on PC. So if PS4 is the equivalent of the PC version on medium settings, I would be perfectly happy with that.

[thinktwice]

seriously fuck battlefield sure it looks really good on an expensive high powered computer but hey that work there doing on next gen consoles pretty shitty so I just say screw the game there will be better games coming out for next gen

[pandehz]

Grapes are sour.

i feel ya LAWLZ

[pandehz]

BF4 on medium settings will look good believe me.

I play medium to high mixed on Bf3 for multiplayer and it looks so dam good.

Going from medium to ultra you will see some noticeable differences but not that much.

MEDIUM SETTINGS WILL LOOK PRETTY DAMN GOOD, TRUST ME.

[pennywhyz]

PC'S are just beasts.

[jlo]

Considering the destruction, 64 players, medium settings at 720p is probably all you could hope for on a 1.6ghz tablet processor

I suppose that's what happens when you try to save money and buy weak components.

What is extremely worrying is that these compromises are being made before the console is released. There is nothing 'next gen' about medium settings at 720p.

[jlo]

If I remember correctly, on BF3 you had low, MEDIUM, high, very high, ultra

So, PS3 vs PS4 = 704p low vs 720p medium = night and day difference

PS4 vs PC = 720p medium vs 1600p ultra (for me, depends what you have) = an even bigger night and day difference.

Damn this really shows how weak the next gen consoles are. In fact it even feels wrong to call them 'next gen'. A basic PC running it at high 720p, or medium 900p would beat it

[boing1]

Console gamers are not sitting 1 inch from the monitor. Resolution difference at 2-3 meters will have minimal impact IMO.

[NobleRed]

We deserve better results Dice. Especially because console player will have to pay more for this game than pc gamers.

[Tzuno]

that kaz smile when he takes your money. :)

[Corpser]

some super-charged PC right there

[Wescyde]

You do realize that they stated the final resolution will not be confirmed until they optimize the game right before launch it still has a chance to be 1080P but 720P will not kill this game at all

[roninwar717]

So now THE DEVELOPERS are lazy?!?!?! LMAO

Oh you, fanpeople.

[kingduqc]

So many stupid/clueless/miss inform peoples here...

1) There won't be a need for 2000$ PC to play bf4 in 1080p in ultra at 60 fps.. That's just ridiculous specially considering amd release brand new much faster card in September so hardware wont be relevant at the release and that 7950 are 200$

2) Killzone does not look that great.. Console user are just used to 720p trashy games for too long. No destruction, no 64 player, no transport/tanks, Tons AND TONS of blur to hide fugly textures.
http://s.pro-gmedia.com/vid...

Just look at the fucking ground for Christ's shake!

3) Don't expect ps4 to do much better then the 2 year old mid range card that the 7850 is performance wise. It's going to be the same experience with about the same visual quality if you play on ps4 and pc with this 150$ GPU. No magic involved (take a look at the gt 8800 released in november of 2006 for the price tag of 199.99, TODAY it offer better performance then the ps3 and ps3 at the time was stronger then what the ps4 is today compare to the hardware.

4) Please stop comparing shitty youtube videos ton of blur and compression of two different unreleased games: It's totally pointless. Oh and... Just take a look at uncharted presentation pre release: http://images.lazygamer.net...

YEP, PEOPLE LIE ABOUT PRODUCTS THEY WANT TO SELL.

5) Medium, 1080p not confirmed... What did people expected from a console? You've been playing with low of the lowest settings at a quarter of the resolution and half the framerate for years now... Clearly visual standards isn't the strong suit at all for consoles. It's more about the convenience and occasional gamer or the fanboy of a few Ip they milk since the 90's

[boing1]

And developers still tend to skip PC every now and then. Why?

[thawind]

I watch

[Tzuno]

next gen consoles are PC wanna be. better than it's predecessors but not so powerful as people praise it.

[Khajiit86]

But games like rdr, last of us, god of war...etc is what seperates consoles from pcs. Besides mmos and strategy games what games do pcs have that are exclusives? Educate me if u must.

[sorane]

But games like stalker, dota2, smite,aarma,baldurs gate,bards tale,wizardry, civilization, starcraft, warcraft, fortnite, ftl,Il-2,trackmania, starbound, 7 days to die, oh and MODS...etc is what separates pcs from consoles. Besides third person action games and generic shooters what games do consoles have that are exclusives? Educate me if you must.

[Khajiit86]

I love how people call them selves "gamers" with their high end pcs but forget that graphics are not what makes a game great. I do not care about how much better the games look on pc i have just as much fun on my low end ps3.. I would rather buy a ps4 and low end non gaming pc and an xboxone instead of just a high end pc.

[Tzuno]

you either speak honest or you are a butt hurt ps4 fan-boy.no offense.

[DomceM]

ok khajit. its about games. Tell me what GENRES of games CANNOT be done on a PC?

oh wait... you can do every single category of games on pc..

Now show me the Dotas, Hon, Lol (MOBAS), and Sc2 (RTS) genre on consoles.

So yeah its not only about graphics., but consoles lose in the game category department.

when you can do this on a console

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

or this

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

call me.

[Aleithian]

You know what? I prefer console gaming and my life doesn't depend on the graphics quality of games. I can still play Mario or Bomberman happily.

I will enjoy this regardless of how it compares to the PC version. People need to chill out and enjoy the games. 1080p, 60fps - big deal. BF4, 64 player mp, destructible terrain, vehicles, and chilling on my couch after a long day? Yes please.

[Khajiit86]

But but but.... you could get a wireless keyboard and mouse and hook it up to your tv..

Ive tried that and it is uncomfortable.

[Aleithian]

Haha. I hate sitting at a computer, whether it's hooked to the TV or sitting on a desk. Can't beat kicking back on the couch, putting your feet up, and chillin with a video game.

[webeblazing]

@Khajiit86
but but but.... you can use a wireless xbox controller.
ill come back when i find another excuse.

and try looking at the comments console gamers bashing devs because of gfx. the pc gamers just restated what the have been saying for the longest

[patb]

Do we really need 200 people repeating the same thing in this thread? We know that Battlefield has more going on at the same time compared to Killzone. The second post cleared that up already.

[mochachino]

I'll take 60 FPS over 1080p any day. Most adults have big TVs which they sit several feet away from, making the difference between 720p and 1080p less visually apparent than the difference between 30 FPS and 60 FPS.

Besides, a major factor for the lost "sharpness" people complain of (because gamers always have to complain) is more due to AA techniques in many cases.

If you're not satisfied, get it for PC. All my buddies are playing on PS4 so that's where I'll be happily gaming on.

[XabiDaChosenOne]

What ever it takes to get that 64 players, 60fps experience. If I have to choose than 1080p means nothing to me.

[KontryBoy706]

I moved to PC in August 2012 BF3 is like night and day on PC compared to console. People please stop expecting BF4, or most games for that matter, to be maxed out like on a PC. I'm not sure where the idea came from, probably the media, but it needs to die a quick painful death. You can't expect a $400/$500 machine to outperform or perform on the same level as PCs with gfx cards in them that are more expensive than consoles and the actual card is half the size of a console too. It's just not smart to think that. The media wants this console vs PC war just like Sony vs Microsoft. it's all marketing. Be happy there are new consoles coming that will give you much higher graphical fidelity than previous gen. These consoles are going to be MUCH more powerful than the PS3/360... but not near a gaming PC.

[one2thr]

@The people claiming that Dice is "lazy" and using KIllzone Shadow Fall as a means of comparing the two...

For one would you same guys claim that Guerilla Games is lazy for using the same engine(for KZ3) that they created for the PS3, to make Killzone Shadow Fall for PS4, as beautiful as it is?...

Heck, whose to say that DICE didnt go the same route and used the same engine tool kit they created for the PS3, to make BF4 for the PS4 seeing that they havent gotten the time to create an engine from the ground up, thats specifically meant to take as much of an advantage of the systems hardware, compared to that of the one they made to run BF3 on the PS3...

Just a thought...

Oh yeah and from a technical point of view Killzone Shadow Fall(Based on that 6 min multiplayer video) has A LOT of calculations going on at once in that scene with the stun effect particles flying all over the place and bouncing while casting individual shadows as each frame progressed...

So trying to down play a "laptop" cpu capable of doing that while being played online, on a LAUNCH title alone proves that even you (the down player) know nothing about the tech you boast about...

(None of this really matters to me seeing that im going to buy BF4 for PS3 and PC(Already pre ordered for pc) and soon afte for the PS4 seeing that the saved game info transfers over from the PS3... And Shadow fall as well, will be purchased day one (:

[NeutralXP]

Medium setting lmao try more like low setting if that

[younglj01]

64 players on consoles 60 fps 720p or 1080p would be loving.This is their 1st next-gen title.I'm sure DICE will upgraded the next-gen versions graphically through some-type of update....

Also KZ should not be compared to BF4 because they are 2 totally different FPS shooters.

[kingPoS]

Um.. Guys! What's the difference between rendering and processing objects.

I seem to have forgotten somewhere along the way from reading the comments.

Anybody know?

[annus]

Processing is.... processing. Where on the screen it should be, what it's behind, what direction it's travelling, physics etc.

Rendering (depending on context) is giving the object the texture, lighting, shading etc (all of which can be processing), and then actually displaying it to screen.

[Npugz7]

Dice is just not good at doing ports plain and simple!! There excuses don't make sense and they obviously don't know how to utilize the consoles power properly!!

[zrsh]

Title is wrong...

"Additionally,Jackfrags states that PS3 to PS4 graphics when it comes to Battlefield is “world’s apart and if he had to make a comparison, it would be “Medium” settings on PCs."

[sorane]

Watch the video. He's talking about the ps4 version.

[Metfanant]

anyone who thought the console version was going to look like what the showed off at E3 was kidding themselves...that was being played on a PC that cost thousands of dollars...

its going to look night and day better than BF3 did on PS3/360 thats a fact...and the vast majority of PC gamers wont have rigs to play it above medium settings anyway...those that do will be able to take advantage...

everyone is happy in the end...the game has been seen running on high end PC's and the PS4 up to this point...hopefully some time before launch we get to see the Xbone version...if not you can wait for the inevitable DF head to head...

[horndog]

So many excuses for the p4 lack of power compared to a pc. Of coarse its not going to do 1080p/60 fps with a game like bf4 with so much happening at once and 64 players. Sony ps4 just sounds good on paper. Even ryse looks better than anything on.ps4 and.MS is the one with the weaker hardware, no? Now lets stop making excuses for the paper champ. I can see another repeat of "devs are so lazy" coming from the fanboys this gen.

[DaGR8JIBRALTAR]

Ryse's single player looks good,I won't lie, but that multiplayer needs help. That and forza are about the best looking exclusive launch titles for the x1.

[Mithan]

The simple fact is that consoles are still years behind pc's.

[urwifeminder]

Ahhh that sweet pc so glad it wont be a factor for me on ultra hope it still is enjoyable for other players though just seems a bit lacklustre to me being 720p.

[Bolts]

This gen isn't ready yet. Back to the drawing board and don't release until ALL games are 1080p with power to spare. At this rate the PS4 isn't going to be current for 2 years, nevermind 10.

[cell989]

The problem with Battlefield 4 is that it is been developed for 5 friken platforms; PC, PS3, 360, PS4, and xbone. That's way too much work for such a huge game. No matter how good DICE splits up teams, they got their work cut off. Another major contributing factor is that originally BF4 was designed for PC and current gen consoles, so development was always limited for consoles, when it was announced for PS4 and xbone, it was too late to really optimize specifically for the new consoles. BF4 is basically an upscaled port from current gen consoles. We'll have to wait till BF5 in 2 years, for some real next gen BF in consoles.

[terrordactyl]

With a console, you just switch it on, put the disk in and play the game without hassles for 6 years.

PC requires windows reinstalls every year as the registry fills with crap and it crawls to a halt. Driver installs and rollbacks when the latest version causes a game you bought last year to BSOD. Systemboard BIOS and GPU firmware updates, crossing your fingers hoping it doesn't
crash and kill your system. Half the games need you to disable AV because it slows your framerate, then you pickup malware, spyware and viruses. Next thing you know, you're messaging the GM to get your WoW stuff back as a keylogger from a Chinese farmer has infected your system for the 10th time this year. Let's not even start on DRM being incompatible with your DVD Rom. Did I mention
that your soundcard isn't in the supported list in the readme.txt so you spend all day searching Google for a workaround to edit into an ini file to get the sound working? After you've spent all of launch day optimising the game to work on your hardware....you might actually get to play it.

Oh yea, PC gaming is just so wonderful :-(

I'll stick with console thanks, I'd rather spend the time actually enjoying the game.

[DaGR8JIBRALTAR]

WOW!..I think i'll stick with console gaming too...

[CrustifiedDibbs]

What a load of bullshit. Some of you kids really try too hard.

[cyril sneer]

@terradactyl
OMG stop spreading fud plz

1.I have not had to reinstall win7 had it on my pc since it released.

2.use ccleaner to clear the fud from your registry or if you know what your doing do it yourself.

3.updating bios and gpu drivers are as easy as purchasing a game on steam.

4.I have never had to disable my anti virus to get better framerates it only slows down my games when its doing a scan that's why i set it to scan while i am in bed.

5.never had any accounts stolen but maybe that's because i use antivirus and not turn it off like you suggested.

6.And for malware use software like spybot search and destroy or malwarebytes there are plenty to chose from.

[terrordactyl]

Exactly....the point being that you don't have to do all that shit on console.

You just play

[webeblazing]

idiot he said he dont do them at all he install them and after that its automatic. only thing you would have to do is dl gfx driver when new one click install and use malwarebytes one click.
its maybe y pc gamers come off as elitist because post like these always happen

[Fergusonxplainsall]

Lies. Battlefield 4 will look high..If there was a medium choice between high and ultra. It would still be high..

People hate on EA and it's a DICE game.

[annus]

Why the hell would they lie about something to make it worse than it really is? If anything, a company is more likely to say it's better than it is...

[Master of Unlocking]

"Battlefield 4 on PS4 comparable to “Medium” settings on PC"

WTF? Are they kidding or what? I want the game to be the equivalent of PC on ultra-high settings! That's what next-gen consoles are for!

[Jdoki]

I'm not sure why people are surprised and upset by this. If you can buy a GPU for your PC that costs almost double a PS4 / XB1, and a CPU that costs about the same as a PS4/XB1 you expect that to be the level for Ultra settings.

So it seems perfectly consistent that a console which costs half as much as a top end GPU and has lower tech would play medium settings. Medium settings are still going to look awesome!

[Mac420]

Why are people tripping out did you guys really think the E3 trailers were actually running on Next Gen consoles. They had Dual 7990's just 1 of those video cards cost as much as an Xbox One & PS4 an then some an that just for the basic nothing over clocked etc .. Kid are hoping for to much we got 500MB on current gen consoles so be happy we get such a jump for the price of each. PC have outdated us an always will because technology is always replacing itself. If you want to worry about every little pixel an detail, suggest you go build a PC because Next gen consoles were outdated before they came out. Battlefield for my Ps4 is still a definite buy 64 players atleast 5-7 vechiles per side , fully destructible environments, other games just don't do that besides Arma which proves another point consoles are still an will always be inferior in hardware terms to a PC.

[marchinggamer]

Considering the processor in the ps4 is equivilant to an amd sempron 145 and the GPU a 7790 this is not bad but it looks like the cpu is bottlenecking it

[Duddy101]

Im all go for the game I understand people being pee'd off over the graphics comparison but really im only in it for the fact it delivers quality cinimatic like experiences, but also as iv never played any game in 1080 im sure its pretty sweet. Either way im still buying it.

[gcolley]

Who cares, 64 players.

[devilhunterx]

I love these "pre-launch video games" battles

[josh14399]

I own bf3 on PC and when playing multiplayer I could couldn't tell the difference between the quality settings. Usually there is a big difference but I honestly couldn't tell the difference between low and ultra, besides a drop in fps.

[RevXM]

Medium settings at 720p.
Well thats what you get when you treat a mid end spec console as a PC.

Dice even said that Ps4 aint that much different from ps3, but it is a whole lot different. If the current tools treats the ps4 as a pc then ofc it wont be as great as some exclusives.

Engine/tools clearly havent had much optimization for custom X-86 platforms also running custom API's etc.
Cause Dice went on about just how easy and familiar the ps4 was because its ready and compatible with Frostbite as Ps4 changed nothing for them.
Ask any AAA first party Sony or Microsoft developer If the new consoles changed anything, and what they made them do and they prolly won't say what Dice said.

[FreakdoutKid]

so PS4 turns out a tard

[im_not_a_psfanboy]

Those fanboys who compare BF4 with KZ are fully retarded.
Why? Mad because just comparable to medium setting on PC?

[IWasHere]

Medium or not, most important fact is that PS4 (and Xbox One)-Version have 64 players, 60 frames per second and Commander mode. DICE stil has two and a half months until BF4 will be released in Northern America and three in Europe. I think it will look great compared to CurrentGen-versions and although it won't look as good as PC-version it's the game what has to be great and not just only the graphics.

[MuhammadJA]

Did people really expect BF4 on next gen consoles to be similar to high end gaming PCs with max settings?

[The_KELRaTH]

Even setting a PC game to run at 720p on a native 1080p TV has a huge impact on visual quality.
The only reason x game can't run at native resolutions is because there's too much emphasis on effects.
Personally I feel the priority should be to have all games running at 60fps / 1080p and dev's have to create a game that works within those boundaries.

Another option would be to follow the PC example and be able to select a better resolution and anti-aliasing but settle for less effects.

[m2stech]

PS5 in 2014!
#YOLO

[teezy]

This is always going to be the way though.
PC is far more versatile and configurable in terms of graphics and physics.
Console games always have to be tweaked and optimized for set hardware.

[famoussasjohn]

Lol that's funny considering what EA said back in May

""These architectures are a generation ahead of the highest end PC on the market and their unique design of the hardware, the underlying operating system and the live service layer create one of the most compelling platforms to reimagine game mechanics."

http://www.computerandvideo...

[nukeworker1]

You whining crying babies. These "next gen consoles" are yesterday's hardware. Trying to run on Tomorrow's games. It's just not gonna happen. How is this lazy fucking devs? I'm pretty sure my PC is going to run this game on high at 60 fps with my old gtx 670. Quit making excuse for these "last gen... Next gen consoles" I'm sick of it!!

[ATi_Elite]

Amen Brother! Bubbles+ well said!

So sick of CONSOLERS running their mouths when they have NO CLUE what they are talking about!

They think SOny are Gods and they don't listen to reason so now they are ALL BUTT HURT cause the PS4 Can't handle the Frostbite 3 in all it's glory.

BF4 is gonna Punish some PC's but your GTX670 will give you ULTRA @60 fps

DICE are PC Devs and Battlefield is made to punish PC's and they did the best they could on consoles with LAST GEN TECH! Battlefield is just too big a game with lots of graphical demands.

Consolers should just be HAPPY with medium settings and GRATEFUL for 60 fps gameplay and 64 player limits.

So I say Consolers.....Finally you get the REAL BATTLEFIELD EXPERIENCE!

[yellowgerbil]

Laziness is the only excuse. Killzone looks better and to those saying that can't be compared because of the destructible environments, just look at the Order. Looks far better and that is by a far less acclaimed studio.

[esemce]

You really can't compare them and to do so shows great ignorance.

[yellowgerbil]

It shows great ignorance to have your head so far up Dices butt. They make crap games, with polish. Order looks better and from what I hear is more groundbreaking on the destructible environments side
Dice is as bad as crytec no idea how to tell a story

[hankmoody]

I simply don't understand why Killzone keeps getting mentioned in the first place. KZ is an admittedly nice looking game that brings nothing new to the table. BF4 for starters is going to have 64 player matches and battles on land, sea and air. Sure it's already been done before but never on consoles.

[DJ]

That's good for what's essentially a quick port. This would have been impossible on PS3.

[Adolph Fitler]

Is it at least going to be 60FPS?

[famoussasjohn]

Yes, that's been confirmed.

[esemce]

Man that's just sad, my 3 year old HD6950 can play BF3 at high settings with 60-80 fps. I was hoping to get this on PS4/Xbone to play with friends but I may just have to stick with PC.

Can these nextgen systems really be that underpowered? Seems that maybe just like this gen only the system exclusives will shine on the console whilst the multiplats will be better on PC.

[D3athc3ll]

Oh well, looks like next gen systems suck...

Still buying a ps4 day one - cant wait to play Naughty Dogs games...

Just sad to know the ps4 is like a medium pc....

Guess uncharted 4 will blow battlefield 4 out of the water in terms of visuals - i hope so!! The pc maxed one i mean!!

WHY BRING OUT A NEXT GEN CONSOLE IF THE GRAPHICS AINT GONA BE THAT GOOD????

[esemce]

I suppose it's all about cost as they know that they cannot get away with a $600 console in this day and age, it would sell but not as many units as a $400 console.

PS4 is still essential for me for ND's games. PS4+PC is still the best option I think.

[DomceM]

they cant bring good graphics to you console people, because you guys arent willing to pay money for it. if you want powerful hardware ... IT COSTS. just like anything else in life. If you buy a honda, you got a honda, if you buy a porsche, you got a porsche.

When you are willing to pay $800 for your console, then you can come back and talk about graphics.

the sucky side for you is that you are gonna have to pay 50$ per year for multiplayer. Go ahead and count how much that will be over the life of your ps4/xbox1. Might as well buy a killer pc for that price and play all games the entire gen maxed out.

[cunnilumpkin]

honestly, when the ps3 launched it was already far behind an 8800 gpu which was out at the same time, that card played crysis1 in higher resolutions that the ps3 ever did with way more settings on high and very high while ps3 and 360 versions were low-medium in sub-hd with a few settings on high

this gen will be the same as last gen

pc verison of every game will CRUSH the console version

AC IV
Destiny
Titanfall
CoD Ghosts
Wolfenstien

every multiplat game is going to be WAY better on pc, and every year it will get worse for the consoles with more settings having to be turned down, more options limited, more players cut, resolutions chopped down more, anti aliasing turned off

the fact that bf4 is medium settings and barely better than 720p tells you one thing, and this should be certain

ps4 and xbox1 MAXED day one

it will not get better, take off your rose colored glasses and see, it is only going to get worse

every year the gap between ps4/xbox1 and pc will widen into a giant canyon of disparity

[bassambient]

Ps4 medium setting < xbox high setting
This is getting interest

[GraveLord]

Nope. If PS4 is medium settings, expect the Xbone to be around the low setting.

[famoussasjohn]

Except for the fact that Xbox One will be using DirectX 11.2+ support and the PS4 isn't.

[DomceM]

nope. ps4 higher settings than xbox one. guaranteed.

go learn about what actually powers your games, then come back and comment.

[cyclindk]

I don't really waste time comparing console versions to "X" settings on a given PC, but I have read devs say medium to high and now just medium, but...

WHAT PC???!?!?!?!!

A PC SLI-ed out with Titans or Crossfired 790s!!! It's totally effing variable with PCs depending on the hardware inside!

A MORE powerful PC will handle Medium settings better than a PC with lesser hardware...

It's just an insane comparison unless someone explicitly defines the terms, i.e. specs, we are comparing.

And of course there are the unique qualities of a closed system and its particular design to consider which can be MUCH more difficult to measure.

All I know is that my video card will handle a given game EXACTLY the same, minus potential performance tweaks via patches, as it does the day I installed it till the day I add another one! But PS4, like any console, will likely be able to put out games with twice or more the visual fidelity than when it first arrive to market. So a Battlefield 5 at 1080 and 60 FPS... call it now, it will come.

Oh well :)

[GraveLord]

This is why exclusives are always hyped up so much. Multiplats are always held back by other platforms.

Killzone SF it is.

[Rageanitus]

I'll say this again and again...... There is a reason why all PC gaming rigs with a decent video card need a larger case..... Cooling

The ps4 and xone are not that larger than a gaming laptop... And in order to get an awesome laptop you need to spend above 2 grand.

Ppl should really use some basic logic here there are size constraints and do you really think console makers are willing to take a 1k loss per a console to be comparable to a gaming laptop? Just look at the alienware mini desktop. In order to have decent performance you need to fork out 1.2k

[bassambient]

Directx 11.1 microsoft take my money

[Diesel888]

Its going to look great and be fun, he said medium setting at pre-alhpa so it will only be better once final. Excellent video! Cant wait for my PS4 to play BF4

[Gondee]

Look at the jump from 360 launch titles to BF3. Its an amazing feat of optimization, we can expect the same jump on the one.

[Reem]

Sounds good for a launch game

[frayed]

Just for reference this tweak guide for bf3 on pc can show you comparisons between LOW MEDIUM HIGH and ULTRA settings.

http://www.geforce.co.uk/wh...

As a PC gamer who spent months fiddling with BF3 to get the best image quality, gfx vs performance I can tell you the settings that really visibly matter are resolution, textures, AA and SSAO/HBAO. The lighting, effects and geometry stuff scales really really well to the point that it makes little overall impact visually, unless you went through taking stills and looking at stuff in the distance.

If the PS4 version looks MEDIUM, I think that this is largely a result of the lower res giving the perception of lower detail settings in most cases. Given the HUGE amount of gfx ram, I can't imagine they need to have anything less than HIGH texture details - of which there is practically 0% visible difference between HIGH and ULTRA on PC. As for AA and Ambient Occlusion, I"m certain they wont be as good as 4xMSAA on PC or HBAO, BUT, importantly, consoles tend to use custom AA and SSAO applications that give better results than their counterparts on PC so, again, I don't see this being a big deal. Biggest deal is the resolution. However, I should think 1600x900 with a good upscale will produce pretty good results in the end.

Ultimately, I'm not worried. The fact it's 64 players, full-fat, 60fps is well worth a few gfx bells and whistles being lowered - the majority of PC gamers will have to do the same job of compromise.

NOTE: I'm well aware I'm comparing an earlier version of Frostbite to the version in BF4, but this is just to give a general sense. Cheers.

[Phoenix76]

Blimey ppl..... cant we all just wait until BF5 comes out? Which will proberly be PC, PS4 and XB1 only. By then DICE should of had enough time to grip to grips with the new hardware and maybe (just maybe) we will all get a game that runs at high settings and high frame rates. We cant expect the world at our feet over night ya know.

[The_KELRaTH]

By that time console gamers will have been adjusted to accepting 720p @30fps with over compressed textures like the PS3 BF games ended up.
Personally I would have preferred BF2 with 1080p @60fps, decent quality textures, and full size maps on the PS3 than the BF3 offering.

[gazgriff2k12]

64 players, 60fps, dualshock 4, share button who cares about the graphics they will be better than ps3 so who cares.

WHO's pc are we comparing with my laptop or the monster rig at E3 and gamescon?

[GDDR6_2014]

2 more months! And console players can finally experience the wonderful world of PC medium settings!

[testo6]

look at this Battlefield 4 gamplay running LOW specs:
http://youtu.be/tqJfCPcu0As...
GRAPHICS LOW
TEXTURE LOW
SHADOW LOW
EFFECTS LOW
MESH LOW
TERRAIN QUALITY LOW
TERRAIN DECORATION LOW
ANTIALIASING OFF
MOTION BLUR OFF
AMBIENT OCLUSSION OFF

STILL LOOKS AWESOME !!!

[jlo]

This thing has a 1.6ghz tablet processor. It's crazy to expect anything higher than 720p medium

If you want something better, stop whining, calling the devs lazy, and buy a damn gaming PC

[Dynasty2021]

Medium settings, 720p "scaled" to 1080p.

I've been waiting for news like this to shove back in the faces of console owners saying the new gen would be capable of high or more at 1080p, downvoting "elitist" PC owners who actually know what they're talking about.

[windblowsagain]

The thing is destiny. PC'S have the same brick wall.

So of course DICE could keep raising the graphics etc until you need sli. or more.

I'm expecting 1080p 60fps tbh.

BF4 on low looks poor imo.

[eman3d]

Here we go with the 60fps pc geeks flooding the forums. 60fps is the most misleading stat in the video game industry. 60fps is for video resolution while 30fps and more specifically 24fps is for a more cinematic look. I prefer my games to look like cinema rather then a smooth looking video game any day. Please, stop using 60fps as a benchmark when it's a pure artistic choice. Not all games need to run at 60fps for it to be considered state of the art. This really amazes me how PC fanboys have made this term the benchmark. SMH.

[D3athc3ll]

Ok pc got better graphics!!

Just sad to know that the ps4 has been maxed day 1....

Killzone SF may look better in some aspects, but then again it is not doing close to what Battefield 4 is doing!

I'll buy a ps4 no doubt, since i dont have to upgrade in like 5 years, but then again, graphics will be lacking. Although i do think that ND will be able to pull someting of that beats most pc games in visuals. Just look at The Last of Us. For 5-7 year old tech, it sure looks great!! It may be like 720p and low res textures most of the time, but hell what a great game!!! If you want a game that is like a movie, play ND games!

I wonder how Crysis 4 will look on pc maxed out? Sure no ps4 game will get there, but then again, we buy the consoles for exclusives. Pc will never get GT, Uncharted, God of War, etc. so it might be still a good bet to get a console.

Yeah we know Uncharted will look better on pc, but still, its not gona be on pc....

For $400 i think it is the best pick for gaming tbh. Buy a $400 pc and you wont be able to max out anything!

My pc can play DOTA 2 maxed, that is all i care about. Best online/team game ever!

So im happy with my low end pc, with my i5, 8gb ddr3 ram and 6870 gpu.

I'll buy ps4 day 1, hope this gen will be free of Red Ring of Death like the 360 had.....

To all pc enthusiasts(bad spelling), enjoy your maxed games and best looking games. Just remember us console people can be nice people too ;P

[aliengmr]

It will still look great.

I really think people had unrealistic expectations for the next gen consoles.

They're not under-powered but they aren't going to run 1080p flawlessly on every single game.

The games will look great regardless.