Xbox One’s DRM issue seems to be a thing of the past, and Microsoft’s Albert Penello has taken to the NeoGAF forums to discuss the console in detail. When quizzed about a potential return of always-online DRM, he said he couldn’t see it happening.
$ony, I can do that too, well done, proud of you.
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Both in place at the same time? Sounds perfect. Give me the benefits of digital, and bring back the DRM. I didn't give a care to begin with. Let dinosaurs keep there disks. It makes them feel "secure", and they "like collecting them". I like playing videogames.
You ASSumed I like $ony? how did you come to this conclusion?
If micro$oft brought back DRM now it would be commercial suicide. They've already lost the trust of the gaming community which has resulted in their bone getting outsold 4-1. The executives are falling like leaves from a dying tree already. DRM won't be coming back.
I agree it would be suicide for M$ to bring back their DRM policy. However, I would say technically M$ proved that DRM can be turned off and on. Why do I say that, DRM was a big part of the XBones R&D, so it was already a part of the consoles design. So every XBone will already have the technological capability of implementing DRM. They would probably have to release a software patch to turn it back on. Make sure you read that TOS prior to checking that accept box.
@mewhy32 4-1? Where'd you get those numbers. Stop spewing stupid out of your mouth, everytime I see a post from you it makes me cringe.
They already confirmed that you have to download an update the first moment you turn on the X1 to remove the restrictions .
4-1? lol. You keep saying that... and you're full of it. You KNOW you're full of it. Why bother? "The report cites unnamed “market watchers” as saying camera module and optical disc drive yields aren’t hitting expectations. As a result, Microsoft’s Xbox One shipment forecasts for the remainder of 2013 have been slashed to 6.2 million, down from a predicted 7 million less than one month ago. Sony is currently predicted to ship 10 million PlayStation 4 consoles “at launch,” which likely refers to the entirety of holiday quarter 2013." http://www.webpronews.com/x...
"I don't see that ever happening with content you're buying today" But can it happen to content you buy in the future? DRM hasn't gone away you know! It has merely been locked up in the deepest darkest dungeon of M$ BS HQ!
As he words it, it's honestly a bit fishy in itself and what he could easily be saying since he worded it THIS WAY is: "What you buy now is what goes with the current policy, if/when the policy changes at a future date, your current content won't be changed to apply to the New policy but your New/Future content you buy after the new policy is set in place will be tied to the new polcy and not the last one" Honestly sounds like what he's saying, and no I'm not wearing tinfoil hats. Microsoft is known for wording things deliberately as a means of Half-truthing everything. "He told the truth, buuuut that's for the Now and not for the unknown-future in mind.."
That says, "YES. We will bring it back once we find our feet with the XB1 but previous purchases will be okay. Just from then on." DRM almost confirmed during XB1 lifespan. Interesting...
They wouldn't bring back DRM. It would be too hard to bring back. They would have to completely change policies that users would have to agree with which would cause a massive backlash. They just wouldn't do that
They could very easily do it. Remember it's just a "switch flip" away. And their user agreement includes a section that states you can't sue them for changes they make in the future (I'm on my iPhone and can't find the link at the moment for that fact but I'll post when I do). I don't care if they do or don't since I'm not supporting MS till they show some form of respect for consumers. Edit... Here's the link http://www.gamespot.com/new...
whats with all the goddamn $$$$$$
Where? I want some $$$$$$!
Yeah I'm sure when you first sign into live on the One there will be a XBL terms of service update that you will have to agree to. We will have to watch that they don't put in any caveats that might allow this in the future. I also don't think it will happen but this is MS after all and I trust them as little as I do Sony or any other large company.
Once the install base is there, and it will be it is always possible they could start implementing their DRM policies on new games in the future. Just because it's possible doesn't mean it's gonna happen. I think this coming gen of gaming is free from any DRM policies.
Just like cigarettes hook em and then milk em!
It would be impossible to bring back all the things that people disliked so much. The 24 hour checkin etc was all done to make it so you didn't need the disc in the drive. Firstly everyone hated it so badly, and secondly they would have to roll out the used game trading system again, after the fact, which would exclude any games you previously bought on disc. It would be an incomplete system and even those that wanted it wouldn't want it in that form.
Exactly. It's not coming back this gen. Conspiracy theorists and $ony Fanboy$ won't let it die for this is what they live for. www.N4$ony.com
Wait... I'm confused... I get that putting the $ in place of an "S" in a company's name is a super awesome cool way of showing people that you've discovered how money hungry a corporation is, but why put the $ in the word "fanboys"?? Are you saying fanboys are money hungry??
I agree that Microsoft won't bring DRM back. Gosh the Sony fanboys brought you down to one bubble. Smh
@Ron_Danger: Compnanies are greedy and made of humans. Fanboys are humans! company = greedy! company = humans fanboy = humans greedy! = fanboy
nukeitall = someone who doesn't understand sarcasm
I wouldn't put it past them really , how many times have they changed their mind on things that would never happen.
"I don't see that ever happening with content you're buying today"... Maybe i'm reading a little too much into that statement, but that sounds to me like what people have been predicting. To me, it sounds like DRM is coming back later in the consoles cycle, definitely not around launch as they would just lose far too much money, but once it is in enough households the DRM may creep back in gradually, maybe with just a couple of bits at a time, then it may become the console MS originally envisioned (and consumers hated) Once again i might be reading a little too much into that statement, but that is how that sounds to me.
I thought it was only me that caught that line. hopefully it does as i plan on buying one a few years down the line
It's funny to me that people always want to look down on MS for trying to make money and think Sony is just in the business to give us things for free. This is a business, each company is in it to make money and make a profit. Remember when sony was selling the PS3 for $600 and told everyone if you can't afford it to get a second job? It's business and they are both about making money in one way or another. I commend MS for seeing that they were making a mistake for trying to force us into the whole DRM thing and making the changes it did to please us gamer. Can't really say the same for Sony when people were up in arms about the price of the PS3 when that was being released.
Sony already learned from that mistake by making the PlayStation 4 $399.00. Besides I haven't seen XBox One reduce launch price even though people are complaining about it. I agree that both are business are there to make money but there is a smart way and a stupid way to approach it. Customers obviously didn't want it so DRM was the latter.....
While I agree that if your in business your in it to make money. Now the difference is you can make money while not making your customer feel like you are trying to milk them for every penny and that to me is where Sony & MS differ in their approach and is the sole reason I have no desire to support the Xbox brand anymore. Everything MS does feels like they are ripping people off. As a seconday console which the XB1 would be for me why should I have to pay for F2P games? I can play those same games on my PC for free without any added on fee. So why should I pay MS a fee to play it? Or to use Netflix which I already pay to use and BTW is only 1 button push away to stream directly through my TV without the need of a secondary device, same goes for all the other apps? They are all free to use on my TV so why should I pay MS a fee to use them? So to each their own and MS has done nothing but prove their greed over & over as far as I'm concerned and I couldn't careless if people agree or disagree with me because it's how I feel & it's my money that I would be spending.
Your right, if you don't want to pay for netflix on your console, so don't pay for it, thats your choice and you have ever right to it. You don't want to pay for a game that you can play on your PC for free, than don't pay for it. These are optional features that Microsoft offer that you pay for if you want it and there are thousands of people that do pay for it so why would Microsoft change that. It's a business and it's about making money and a company that doesn't have greed in it will never succeed. Sony is going down that same route cause now you have to be a playstation plus member to play games online. I'm sure some of the f2p games will have some sort of seperate charge on the playstation also because it's about business. It's all just a silly point to demonize MS for trying to make money but overlook Sony for trying to do the same thing in one way or another. Thats why I brought up the PS3 pricing situation cause I'm sure all these Sony fanboys back then was defending Sony on their stance to charge so much for there console but now want to kill MS for the stance on DRM.
http://www.joystiq.com/2013... Enjoy. Dude you are trying way too hard. I am never going to say Sony is better that Microsoft when it comes to greed but I will say they are choosing smarter ways to attain money.
Off topic but why does everyone have to use a $ sign when saying Microsoft. Is it too hard to spell full words these days or something? Never mind, I already know the answer to that question... -_-... YOLO!
All their plans with probably come back but will be implemented through digital copies which is what should have been done in the first place not what they tried to do by limiting the trade/resell of physical copies by turning them into digital copies. Some Kind of DRM will be needed for things like family sharing to work properly. This is a good thing for the industry because if they truly want to cut out the middle man (Second hand market) then they have to incentivise us not force us or restrict our freedom with physical copies.
Same principal Sanada, Consumers weren't happy with Sony's price of the PS3 just like how Consumers wasn't happy with DRM. Sony's response to consumers and gamers that wasn't happy with the price of he PS3, "get a second job to afford our new consoles". Microsofts response to consumers and gamers not happy with DRM, "we listen to what you had to say and we are getting rid of the DRM completely". Yeah Sony learned there listen but it took all of generation to get it through their heads but thats good that they finally got it. It didn't take Microsoft that long to realize they were making a big mistake.
Phil Spencer stated before that disc based games will stay the way they are today.
I can see a combination of both method existing on XB1. Disc based games will remain what it is like today and Digital games will have the feature of sharing and even a digital marketplace where XBL members can trade in games and lend.
I can't believe people are holding comments Sony made in 2006 against them. First of all, boasting that your console is so good, that you should use any means to get it is nothing more than a hype builder. Second of all, Sony was selling the console at a loss at 600, meaning they probably didn't have much wiggle room on price. The difference is Microsoft CHOSE these policies. They CHOSE to force Kinect on people. They CHOSE drm, they CHOSE 24hr check in, they CHOSE to restrict every aspect of gaming. They CHOSE to continue with these policies after backlash from gaming communities, websites, forums, and news reports. The only reason they changed because even in the US, they are getting pummeled in fan approval and preorders from the ps4. Now I'm no business executive, but doesn't that sound a little different than Sony's approach by saying their console is so awesome, you should get 2 jobs if you can't afford it. Yeah, that's what I thought too.
So someone forced Sony to charge $600 for the PS3? Thats what your telling me? Does that even make sense to you when you read it back to yourself? Yeah it was microsofts chose to put DRM, Kinect, 24hr check in, for the X1 and it was there chose to get rid of DRM & the 24 hr check in because consumers voiced their opinions about it. They want to make Kinect a vital part of the X1 and thats why they haven't changed their stance on it and I for one think thats a good thing cause I want to complete experience. Sony show of things in there press conference that you need the Eye toy to use but they aren't giving you one with the PS4. I bring up the 2006 comments cause I want to prove that sony is no better than microsoft when it come to business and making money. The only difference is how these companies react to consumers once they do voice their opinions. Sony wasn't this friendly to us gamers back then and you should know that very very well.
Read it again buddy. I said "they probably didn't have too much wiggle room on price". Secondly, they were selling at a loss already. 600 was very fair, especially from the value the ps3 offered at the time. Try reading my comment again if you had trouble understanding it. Lastly, charging a fair price, and saying you're console is so awesome that you should do anything to get it, is no where even close the the arrogance portrayed by Microsoft over the last 7 years. Edit Also, you'd have to be a fool to believe that ms changed all these policies because it's what the fans wanted. Even after all the backlash from fans, their response was "deal with it" and "better pay your isp bills". It wasn't until they realized that the only country they can and ever could compete in,(us) they are getting outsold in preorders by a ratio of 2 to 1, and 4 to 1 worldwide respectively.
I can bet my @$$ it will return. That was the whole idea of "vision of future" for XB1. All they are waiting for is to have enough customer base. After that - just 1 software update - and boom, welcome to the Future, where you, after facing 10,000 restrictions, can generously "share" game with your family for full 45minutes. WOW.
So $600 for the PS3 was a fair price to you at that time but your up in arms about $500 for an X1? Telling people that can't afford your $600 console that might really want one you have to get a second job to get one doesn't sound and breed arrogance to you? Are you kidding me?
Wow you are either really dense, or have a short memory. In case of either, I will enlighten you. It WAS a fair price, considering the cheapest Blu Ray was near a thousand dollars. So a top notch gaming machine, blu Ray player, and all around media hub for 500 and 600 isn't fair? When a stand alone Blu Ray was 900 to 1000 dollars? Get real buddy. For the third time, saying your console is so awesome that you should get a second job is nothing more than a way to build hype, and that kind of marketing is used on the daily by thousands of marketing campaigns. So try again Also, when did I say the the x1 isn't a good value. Since you brought it up and put words in my mouth, I guess I'll give my opinion. If you like gimmicky tracking devices as a means of control, then yes it's a good value, especially if you like Kinect. If you don't like Kinect, then it's no where near being considered a good value.
Since they reversed their drm policies their pre orders has gone up.. No reason to make another 180
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