"ZeniMax Online general director, Matt Firor, has confirmed that a monthly rate will need to be paid in order to play The Elder Scrolls Online. It had previously been speculated that the studio’s upcoming MMO would be F2P."
Its not about PS+ or Xgold. It's more about paying monthly to play a game. That doesn't work for me on console nor PC. I am never going to pay a monthly fee just to play a game. They can go f*ck themselves. The game looked good though.
It's not really about paywall. If i'd be paying few bucks a month for PSN+ or XBL I don't want to pay also MMO subscription. Sure I can play that MMO abd subscribe withought XBLG or PSN+ but then I can't play any other games except that mmo. So I'd rather spend my money on GOLD or PSN+.
Optional subscription fee will likely mean perks for those who subscribe which I'm not keen on. Either go for a full subscription model or a full B2P model.
I don't mind subscriptions for MMOs as long as it's worth it but I do prefer B2P games like Guild Wars 2.
edit: I've personally not seen anything about this game that makes me think it'll be worth subscribing to for more than a month.
Tera is F2P with optional subscription fee. The subscription perks were pretty good but most importantly they didn't make the player OP.
With the rise of new consoles I honestly don't this game will last long being P2P. Not only that but some of the hardcore TES players don't seem to find this MMO worthwhile.
Seems like a stupid move in this new F2P and B2P MMO environment. The game has looked "alright" at best so far IMO. Everybody wants that WOW money I guess, not realizing those super lucrative days of P2P are long behind us now. It's gonna be near impossible to come out with a new P2P game that survives as such, let alone banks the type of profit of WOW.
Dang it. FFXIV was my most anticipated game but $13 a month? No thank you. So I placed all my cards on ELO. Ah. Monthly fee? Pass. I want to feed my console MMO hunger but I'll have to wait I suppose. My only hope now is Desting and The Division.
I can tell right now, it will not last very long. It either better be fking amazing to justify pay to play, or it will got free to play in few months or so.
This may be good for the first few months but then people would get bored and stop paying every month. Then more people will quit because the player base is smaller.
Wait, this is new? I've known this for weeks. It's been officially announced in Australian stores as being subscription based. I thought it was common knowledge.
So many people who hate monthly subscription fees yet are subscribed to Xbox live gold or PS+.. ironic really.
I'm happy it's sub based, to me that's making a bold statement claiming the product is of good enough quality. I for one will happily pay a monthly fee if that money is invested into quality updates.
You're contradicting yourself.. you pay monthly to play games online that you've already paid for. It's obviously different as that monthly fee is for loads of different games but you're still paying a monthly subscription to play your games no matter how you look at it.
i agree f2p is bad it just has a bunch of people playing in the free areas all with the same free characters lol. its like a gaming ghetto in the game lol. broke ass gamers always trying to get free stuff or watch lets plays instead of buying games etc lol.
haven't you guys played Dota 2 or even TF2 yet? not an MMO but F2P is a good deal if its done correctly. i cant see ESO doing so well when there is so many great F2P games that do F2P great aswell. why cant they opt out for a costume shop or something in ESO? and if they make you buy the box for all the gameplay futures it wouldn't be so bad either. they could make it so if you start F2P and dont buy the box you wont have unlimited character slots but you will still get to play the game all the way. if they want more slots they can buy the box or buy things in the shop to a fixed value to upgrade.
IMO ESO wont last long. with games like GW2 and Tera Online to name a few is good MMOs without a sub.
I disagree, if ESO proves to be good and worthy of the subscription fee ie: the end game is good enough to keep people coming back, it can thrive. There are many older MMO players out there who will happily pay a monthly fee and prefer this model. I'd also argue the ones prepared to pay the monthly fee are more likely to stick around if the game is worth it.. the f2pers imho are more likely to jump ship to the next thing.
as a HUGE Elder Scrolls fan as i am i can say im looking forward to ESO, but with sooooo many games going F2P like: ArcheAge (this is a must have MMO (this is going F2P in Korea and has a high chance to do so in NA & EU aswell once its out)) Everquest Next Age of Wushu
and games that already is out with a good F2P model: Tera Online Neverwinter Rift Aion RaiderZ Dragon's Prophet SWTOR
games are going away from Subs and going over to Free to Play. it will make more money for the devs in the long run and will have a larger player base no matter what.
with more and more games going away from Subs, how well do you think ESO really going to do? id say that they have to much competition. and in other ways ESO is in the old way of MMOs doing things. witch isnt really a good thing. will be playing ESO myself when it comes out and i will play a character to the max level. but i dont think i will stay much longer than that. rather play a game like ArchAge witch is player driven everything from Politics, Warfare, Crafting, Building, Market and other things. + its more physics based and not that stiff. like all the other MMOs
for what ive seen from this game its not worth a monthly subscription , they said its like a single player games as for that ill rather play a real elder scrolls as an MMO Final Fansaty XIV looked better and ps players can play with pc
Likewise. How do these guys not realize that the p2p business model is pretty much on its last legs and dying?...their numbers are going to suffer and when they realize that, the game will go f2p and then watch the numbers skyrocket. Love elder scrolls but i will not touch a p2p game.
I'm glad it will sub based. It will keep the some of the whiny little kiddys away. $15 a month is pretty much nothing for the amount of entertainment you get.
Assumptions. But if I was betting, I wouldn't bet against you. I would just wait for 3-6 months. The game will be cheaper and the bugs worked out and you get better insight (reviews)!
I prefer sub based MMOs to F2P. So far F2P is either missing features or P2W. I subbed for 6 months for SWTOR and I like it. If this is a good game, then I’ll do the same!
As evident from the overwhelming attitude in the comments, One thing subscription-based games are good at is weeding out the non-dedicated playerbase. It helps to build a more tightly knit, like-minded community, but also works to alienate many others. It's sort of a double-edged sword, but I see it more as a positive than a negative.
Well, in a f2p game, there is no paying, hence where my argument lies. See, a lot of people were stoked for ESO - until it was announced that it will have a subscription model, then a huge chunk of those interested, immediately lost interest - this is where the separation in community takes place.
F2P games come with no sense of obligation, since there is no investment on behalf of the player, thus players of all types tend to flock to this business model. It can attract anyone from those who play sub-based games, to those who never really tried MMO's before.
A subscription based game has the player investing his own money in order to access the title, thus it tends to invoke a sense of obligation to play the game. As evident from the comments, this business model is not for everyone. Many of those in favor of a f2p model, wouldn't even entertain the idea of paying a monthly fee for a game, and thus they tend to attract a certain crowd of people.
So after the smokes clears from the announcement that ESO is sub-based, we are left with those not phased by the news, and thus, a like-minded community remains.
in games i want a fair and equal playing field for all and you dont get that in f2p. f2p is basically turning gaming into real life where if you dont have money you will be the lower class and those who have a lot of money will be the 1 percent. this should not be in video games. in video games it suppose to be everyone starts from scratch and only the skilled and or dedicated or smart can win.
I prefer buy2play like Guild Wars though
Oh well guess I'll be waiting till ends up biting them in the butt. Honestly they should just done B2P with optional subscription fee.
Would have preferred buy-to-play.
With sub-based MMOs I usually play flat-out for a month and then abandon it altogether (WOW being the exception).
As interested as I am in the game the stuff they have shown so far isn't good enough for me to pay monthly.
I'll wait for the free version.