A chat with Paradox's Gordon Van Duke reveals that developers still feel PS4 as a friendlier system.
Xbox One can only hope to sell as much as the *clears throat* original Xbox did.
You mean as the 360, cause the original Xbox did not sell particularly well.
i think that was his point
Trolling was his point. I would prefer a system that keeps the crap away from the system, than allowing anyone to publish. Allowing anyone to make a 'game' and publish it would result in a lot of rubbish being put onto the system. Much like the android store. By using some control, this should hopefully weed out the multiple fart button games etc that will appear
@falviousuk: If you can manage to avoid or demote the crap yet keep it easy to publish would be ideal. However, having an open system often means getting a few diamonds in a sea of turds, but the diamonds tend to be humongous. Right now MS is targeting larger or establish "indie" devs (I call them semi-pro). However, they will open it up like XNA and then the question is, how is MS going to manage the sea of turd from taking over.
@mouzone I just realized that..lmao it's been a vert long day at work for me
I think the market will be 50% PS4 30% Xbox One 20% WII U
Sony control 50% of the market? Lmao
I honestly hope it's closer than that. My favorite series are mostly Playstation exclusive, but I like the way Sony is acting now and continued competition can only help. It's as if someone awoke a sleeping giant and now they're totally focused on absolutely dominating again. All I'm saying is that I hope it takes a while to get there, so that I can enjoy the benefits of the so-called console war, i.e., more exclusives and more aggressive tactics used to generate good will (read: free shit). Everyone should hope the stakes remain high and the margins close. We all win that way. Edit: TrueNinja- Do you live in a world where the PSX and PS2 never existed? Sony dominating the console market isn't unprecedented. In fact, only one of the three main players has yet to do so. Edit 2: sckipt thinks that the major manufacturers will, when combined, control 130% of the market. Wow, that is some really bad math. Yes, people can buy multiple systems, but market share is determined by systems sold by your company, divided by total systems sold by yourself and everyone else.
actually when super smash bros wii u comes and playsation 4 gets the games from their big studios it will look like this globally 60% PS4 30% WII U 40% xbox one remember people can buy multiple systems
@TrueNinja I hope you do know that the PS3 has more than 30% market share despite its stumbled launch, Xbox360 launching a year earlier for a much lower price with success and Wii's runaway success. With the Wii U looking impossible to reach Wii's success levels, Xbone's negative publicity with higher price point and both consoles releasing at nearly the same time; it is entirely possible that PS4 may gain 50% of the market share or at least the majority.
@ sckipt I suggest taking a statistics or business class, since you don't even have a logical point. While people do "buy multiple systems", these duplicates do not make up a sum over 100% like you seem to believe. What happens is that these people are written off in favor of a number (like total sales) and then are divided by the sum of the three consoles put together. So if 1 guy buys all 3 systems, 1 girl buys all 3 systems, 2 people buy a XB1 and 2 people buy a PS4, then the market share would be as follows... 2 Wii U - 20% 4 PS4 - 40% 4 XB1 - 40%
@ DirtyPimp I would say the way the market is currently shaping up is: 60% PS4 ... Sony is on a great pace, their big 1st party AAA titles will start to come out in 2014 30% XBone ... M$ needs to lay out a concise vision to increase their market share 10% Wii-U ... without 3rd party support the Wii-U is in a lot of trouble This current-gen shapped to be more like 39% PS3, 41% XB360 and 20% Wii (Nintendo lost a lot of ground when the 3rd party support vanished).
s8anicslayer He's saying that he thinks the One is going to tank.
It'll definitely outsell the original Xbox, it has built up a loyal user base and they appeal to a much wider audience than they did a decade ago. In the US, I see the market share being around 60/40 (between MS and Sony) in Microsoft's favor but as far as worldwide sales, I think they'll take a beating.
Why are people so certain Xbox will dominate US again? You do realize PS2s dominance didn't help PS3 nor did Wiis dominance automatically help Wii U. Why does Xbox magically keep ALL its fans? Sony has made a lot of strides and will capture a lot of US marketshare. New generation, new mindset.
Of course it will outsell the original Xbox, but I think in the US the situation is going to be much closer, and Sony may win by a considerable margin elsewhere.
yeah it makes sense for everyone to get the ps4 so devs can have an easier time making games and not have delays and such. ps4 for the win.
It took Sony years to regain the trust of the industry after the travesty that was the PS3 launch machine. It would be best for MS to put its head down, weather the storm, and learn its lesson.
"Of course, I’ll add that this conversation occurred before the announcement made at Microsoft’s Gamescom conference,..."
Coming from a developer who makes PC games, released one console game 3 years ago. I mean if they still say it's hard to publish a game on X1 then there's nothing to be done. Free kits upon approval, self publishing with no fees...I mean really c'mon.
The whole xbox one being a dev kit seems like a novel idea but one I dont think will revolutionize the scene if MS policies remain. It will be one of those ideas that seems great on paper but really has little impact, like PS home was. Shahid Kamal is doing a wonderful job at Sony and making indies feel very welcome and is also accessible on twitter and answers as many people as possible giving advice, help etc. This open type of relationship I see as far more powerful in swaying indie devs than just opening the xbone console to indie development.
It's not just opening the console...indie devs biggest gripe was self publishing. Now Microsoft allows self publishing, along with offering two free kits, no application or title update fees (upon acceptance). So what policies remain? I mean...the whole thing is free once they're accepted.
Shadow of the Beast isn't a new intellectual property. It is a remake, or retake on the old Amiga game.
It was my first Sega Genesis game. I was young and just read beast. Game was hard for me at a young age but fun.
Im fine waiting for the PS4 big titles to come because when Naughty Dogs next game comes and if i dont have a PS4 i will sell my xbox one for it
Easy does not mean better...
Just like Women...well on the other hand
Well, you aren't getting any more known benefits from publishing on Xbone. So, PS4 being easier to publish on is better in this case.
It is more about gamers... I don't give a crap about self-publishing or pimped publishing... For example, - How will Sony and MS protect purchase? Meaning if I buy a game, can I keep downloading it forever, or at some point will it disappear and not let me have access to what I purchased? - How will Sony and MS ensure games are tested well enough? - How will Sony and MS protect their trophy and achievements system so it is not abused by self-publishers? - How will Sony and MS make sure the company publishing is reputable? etc. etc.
"Of course, I’ll add that this conversation occurred before the announcement made at Microsoft’s Gamescom conference, but then again I find extremely unlikely that a developer wouldn’t have prior knowledge of something that has been rumored to happen" Knew this article smelled of BS
Let the flood of crap commence! :) As long as Sony makes a robust discovery system, this should be manageable.
One of the reasons the MAJORITY of devs favor the PS4.And one more reason PS4 will dominate the Xbox1.
Not much of a surprise considering all those indie titles.
Oh really now.. That still won't stop devs from making xbox-one indie games. Every xbox-one is a dev kit. Thats is beter than anything out there. Give it up.
*Until that functionality is actually available*
Don't you think it's amazing that they're now clinging to that, but conveniently leaving out how that won't even be available until next year? And they say Sony and their fanboys are desperate.
Indie devs don't trust MS that's the point. Would u trust someone that tried to screw u over.
Well they really don'y have many options if they wanna make money. xbox-one gives them that opportunity.(just look how many copies of minecraft have sold) I'm sure they would rather take a chance with xbox-one than take a chance on vita. Say what you want but indies sell more games on xbox-live than any other platform. They know MS has 48 million xbl gold members and that means they have a chance to make some money there. Indies will be there for xbox-one just like with xbox-360. bet on that.
Actually i think ur game will be shown more than on xbla if ur on youtube u see a shitoad of indie games for vita and ps3 mini trailers paid for by Sony who will get ur game out their. That 48 mil install u really think a good majority of them buy indie games remember not all indie games sell well on xbla because they get buried by the others unless MS promotes them. But with ps+ if u want ur indie to see some light u can get it up their.
They are butthurt xbots in comment section claiming that just because Microsoft is giving free dev kits that oh wait aren't even available right now they should automatically be easy to develop for, have u ever heard the old saying the damage has already been done xbox showed that they didn't care about indies now they are on their knees begging for forgiveness and the top indie developers don't want nothing to do with them its sad really because if Sony didn't do it then Microsoft wouldn't of changed and the devs know that.
I do not think that it is more difficult to develop for xboxone.
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