Why Gamers Need to Stop Being A-holes to Feminists if They Want to be Happy

A very sad story out of York, Pennsylvania: A 2-year-old girl died after being beaten with a video game controller by her mother's boyfriend.

But there are two important things going on here that gamers need to understand: This sort of "horrific" news story is nothing to be surprised at in a world where women and children are considered "property" to a man, and in a culture that hates and degrades women it's not just the outliers who feel that they are allowed, entitled, and even encourage to physically abuse their partners and children.

[toughNAME]

Why feminists need to stop being A-holes to Gamers and stfu already it's the 21st century -

The article really has nothing to do with the crime, all she's doing is using an interesting topic to push her beliefs.

[Yi-Long]

... bubbles for you, my man.

It's sadly a trend that's all too common nowadays. People like these jumping on everything that's even remotely related to their own agenda, and abusing it.

You see it with Jack Thompson, who's already brushing his teeth and combing his hair and wearing his 40 dollar suit whenever news reaches him of another kid getting shot somewhere by another kid, just so he can tell America/The World that videogames are the real cause of the murder...

[Kakkoii]

Men are dressed in just as skimpy outfits as women in games.. if not skimpier many times.

So why do girls make a big deal? There the ones that cause these issue by putting such a deal on how they look in games. If they stopped caring, everyone else would also lol.

Guys don't care how guys are objectified. So girls need to stop caring also.

[fenderputty]

she was clearly in an abusive relationship. She also clearly cared for her life more so then her child's for whatever reason that might be. What type of woman lives with a man like that? A battered and self hated one. I'm sure that's not the first time he's raised his hand at a woman or child. I'm sure this wasn't the first time his hand held an object as well. I'm also sure he's not going to get the chance to do this again. I hope he's anally abused in prison by a man named Bubba.

[BeaArthur]

toughNAME...couldn't agree more, this is just as dumb as blaming video games for violent crimes. He could have just as easily beat her to death with a vase or a remote control from a TV or something else.

[BeaArthur]

fenderputty...you make a good point, but at the same time it has nothing to do with video games. We don't know what he was doing when he snapped (or whatever happened). Hell, for all we know the controller or game system wasn't even his. Again, the controller just happened to be the instrument.

[sonarus]

@weakName lol i thought you had given up on serious posts

[Spinner]

Yeah, it's always men and gamers who commit violence.

"April 9th, 2008: This is the video of the Myspace chick getting lured into a house and brutally beaten by six cheerleaders. This girl was hospitalized and all six girls including two guys who were lookouts have been arrested in Florida."

http://www.break.com/index/...

[fenderputty]

She states clearly that video games had nothing to do with this. She states that, "‘misogyny,’ ’sexism,’ and ‘patriarchy’" were to blame but that sadly gaming will be the scapegoat since we can't admit what the real issue is.

[BeaArthur]

fenderputty...that was my point. I don't even know why this is on here. Since when has N4G become a soap box for random blogs for off topic subjects?

[fenderputty]

I know I would rather see an article like this then an article placing blame on gaming wouldn't you? At least this girl is attempting to rationalize what happened without placing blame on the easiest scapegoat there is.

[XBOX 360]

lol "feminist equality" = all men being tied down by the balls in front of their female masters.

"Wow. You notice all of those feminist women are overweight and unattractive? Judging by some of the hairstyles and clothing, many are most likely butch lesbians. Is feminism a way for many unattractive women to vent their anger over the fact that many men wouldn't want them?

How come you rarely, if ever, see man-hating feminists that are beautiful?"

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[Ghoul]

I totally agree with fenderputty

he mostly said my point so no need to add more to it, but im again shocked about some of you guys responses about this.

@below

are you sane ???

no matter what religion could you please stop making such posts and advertising religions here ???

[Yi-Long]

Incredible that in an eductated country, where every woman has the opportunity for education and free press etc, one can still be so ignorant.

NO-ONE is this society is 'encouraged' to abuse children and women. No-one.

...although, anyone with a brain like the writer of this piece-of-crap article, would probably benefit from a few smacks to the head. Maybe wake up some dead braincells that way.

The guy who killed the kid is just a selfish bastard, an A-hole, a really REALLY bad guy. And there are LOTS of bad guys in the world, just as there are lots of bad women in the world (you can also find LOTS of articles of women killing their own kids, kidnapping other people's kids, etc etc)

These 'feminists' need to quit their whining about stuff that ISNT correct, and maybe try to earn some respect about talking about the REAL problems, with a REALISTIC view on our society.

[fenderputty]

"glass ceiling" still exist today in America for not only woman but for minorities as well. America has come along way for social freedoms and equalities but, it's not perfect like you seem to think. The mother was with an abusive man. It's pretty clear since she made no effort to save her own skin. She's probably got the battered woman syndrome. This writer makes a valid point. Go study some sociology classes or something and educate yourself before acting like you know something.

[Yi-Long]

Seriously.

Didnt I just write a post that these feminists should focus on the REAL problems!?

The 'glass ceiling' IS a real problem. I'm not denying that anywhere. In fact, I say women/feminists (and actually, everyone in our society) should focus on problems like that, instead of making BS problems up where there are none.

Yeah, our society is still unfair against women and minorities. No, BS articles like these dont help fix those problems, and in fact divert the attention AWAY from those real problems. They're counter-productive, and actually make feminists look like idiots.

We should put our focus on the REAL existing problems, so we can fix them, instead of this farfetched BS.

Really hope I made myself clear this time.

[fenderputty]

Is a real problem. Woman getting involved with abusive men because they think negativity is the only real emotion that can be felt is a problem. Abusive relationships are a problem. A man beating a child's head in while the mother does nothing out of fear for her own skin is a problem. What part of those problems don't sound real to you?

[Yi-Long]

... yet she searches the cause for it in the wrong direction, and she's fingerpointing and accusing and making wild accusations and pretending all this whole evil man-ruled world is out to get women and kids and beat them up and surpress them. That's not the truth. We are NOT encouraged to beat up women and kids in ANY way.
So although she's talking about real problems, she isnt being honest about the causes, as she's more obsessed about this evil men that are out to get her and thechildren ('ooooww always the children')

She's being a populist sexist.

[Weefz]

Yeah... talking about smacking her around the head is the way to disprove her point that "casual" violence is allowed to slide in society, right?

[InYourMom]

just look at this place. I've never had a larger group of people I'd like to meet in person and beat the hell out of.. lol

It's nothing specific against women.

[games4fun]

only an idiot would try to fight a group of people in real life by himself the odds would be about 300 to 1 not very good possibility of you even getting out alive lol

jk :) just being an a-hole

on topic: i understand that women are sometimes misrepresented in video games this should be a cry for stores to enforce the rating system people put on games but dont blame games for society's ills

talk about being stuck in the past with your own form of ignorance the writer should take a look in the mirror just because your bashing men verbally its ok for you?
The women in question should have left the relationship she was in imo who stays with an abusive person? its both the fault of the abuser and the fault of the victim for allowing themselves to be so easily victimized? The author blames society and men in general but doesnt have the women in question take any responsibility both need to be fixed.

[Mr_Bun]

It's ignorant feminists like her that are able to bring PS3 and XBox fanboys together!

[fenderputty]

when you clearly have no idea what the hell your talking about.

[bigman7387]

PorkSword, shutup

I understand (or at least i hope) ur trying to be funny and sarcastic, but you're pushing it

[Mr_Bun]

Nice one, littleman...you really pwned me!

Nevermind...I just saw that you updated your comment more than "Shut up"

ps. Wash My Dishes!!!

[Ghoul]

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move along please your not funny....

[fenderputty]

but I'm still reporting you as offensive. I'm ashamed males like you still exist.

[Ghoul]

btw i find it incredibly ignorant how you "boys" call a feministic woman to be "a man hating selfish ignorant trying to supress the manworld"

wtf is wrong with you, either you guys are all blind, sexistic or jsut enjoying your manhood so much you just dont see it.

im a man but i honestly would call myself a lil feministic since this "wester" world is one huge man-supressing-woman system. Woman are underpaid, oppressed, not taken serious, sexual objects or just "girls". And tbh looking at most games we gotta admit that nearly 90% of the female characters are hyper sexualised.

i know i know i get a lot of disagrees.

[tplarkin7]

In the western world, we treat women with respect.

[Dream Machine]

We do? When did that happen? Guess I didn't get the memo.

[Ghoul]

dream on

the world i live in (last time i checked) still underpays, oppresses, disrespects and sexualises woman all the time.

lil example the new ps3 store video, all you people say is hwo hot she (the presentar) is and that you would like to f**k her.

[XBOX 360]

"lil example the new ps3 store video, all you people say is hwo hot she (the presentar) is and that you would like to f**k her. "

And? It's the truth. She's damn hot. I've seen ugly ass fat girls hoot-and-hollar and good looking males ... are they disrepecting men?

I agree with you that the whole women-being-paid-less-than-men in the workplace needs to be fixed, however that example was BS.

[Ghoul]

how was it bullshit ???

all you guys care about is how you would like to bone her. You minimize her to a sexual object, i know i know its a long way for most to understand what i just said. The problem is you dont have such problems, but trying to be sucessfull in a world where most of the men only see you as some meat to be f... would make you realise what i just said.

[Gam71]

Look at any form of media and the man is a joke only to lose to the woman who is inevitably attractive, smarter, stronger, and more mature.

If men talked about women on daytime tv the way women talk about men the show would be pulled immediately. The misandry in the western world is pales the misogyny as it's seen as being empowering.

Women do not speak to men respectfully but demand we treat them with respect just because of their gender.
Call me crazy but is someone being expecting to be treated better due to their gender sexist?

Women are just as if not more sexist as it is accepted sexism.
When was the last time you heard a woman telling a girl about to go on a date "treat him like a prince" or even to "respect men"

When was the last time you heard a woman say something positive and respectful towards men.
I think if you demand respect you should give it first.

What about fathers rights? what about mens rights in divorce? false accusations of rape, even male victims of rape? What about the women who use false claims of domestic abuse to get what they want during a split up. What about tv showing women in every single show striking men. What about women striking men then hiding behind the fact they are women so not to get hit back.

Women get screwed in some ways, but men do as well. Go tell a male victim of domestic abuse it doesn't happen or it's only men that do it.

Also on a side note it's generally women that abuse children not men.

[BeaArthur]

Truly sad, but it has nothing to do with video games other than the fact that it was a controller that was used to do it. Stop scapegoating the industry.

[fenderputty]

read the article again. She's not blaming the gaming industry. She's blaming social views of women.

[JeepGamer]

Two thoughts here...

First of all crimes like this happen because of stupid people. Stupid people come in all colors, both genders, all religions, and they can be rich, poor or anything in between. There is no 'group' of people out there that does not contain it's fair share of stupid people and that includes people who play video games. Stupid people who play video games range from fanboys of particular consoles all the way up to those 'special' few who get violent and hurt people.

Second of all, feminists too have their share of stupid people and the feminist that wrote this article is one of them. Speaking about sexism, women hating, and acting like women/children are property as if these were commonly held ideas among the masses is outright ignorance and smacks of delusional paranoia. I will be the first to recognize that women and minorities are not treated fairly but I will also be the first to recognize that they are not treated half as unfairly as they claim they are... But this article? This is far worse than simply being a little overzealous when proclaiming a groups status as a victim, this is pure lunacy.

[Mr_Bun]

So, was he able to finish the game before the cops showed up?

[Jazzzz]

I will likely burn in hell...

but damnit if that comment didn't make me laugh out loud.

[Gam71]

Yeah.

Uncalled for and completely inappropriate.

But shame on me for laughing.

[sfinXters]

Same here...

[THE_JUDGE]

if feminist like games or not. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Everyone does that, your no different.

[Tempist]

As much as this article tried to get a point across, I think it failed on a whole to make a point at all. It was unfocused to say the least.

This 'article' (which seems more like a rant) needs to be properly written so I can actually understand what she's trying to get across.

[desolationstorm]

That was a terrible article. Terrible I do not even understand how gamers rallying behind how this should be treated solely as a criminal act and not anything game related is in any way shape or form them being a-holes to feminist. Nor do I see how this tragedy has anything to do about feminism at all.

Listen I understand the feminist position, women are portrayed in a very belittling nature in the video game industry and most gamers are pervs who create a hostile and sexist atmosphere for women gamers, but this girl is missing the whole point here with this tragedy.

Gamers gather around these articles not out of selfishness for our hobby, but because it is a on going battle where the opposing side takes any tragedy and blames it on a scape goat. Was this caused by gaming in any form what so ever? No, just an angry abusive violent person, but because gaming is one of the hot topics right now it could at times turn into a big deal. Like if someone gets beat with a baseball bat it wouldn’t make any news besides being a major assault charge. it would make news sure but it wouldn’t have fear mongers claiming we need to save the children and get rid of this sport to save our child’s souls.

Feminism does not in any way mean less child abuse. Women can beat and neglect a child just as much as a man. The mother in this situation should be charged. That was criminal neglect, yes she might have feared for her life, but there are police and systems in place to helped abused women. The fact that she did nothing regardless of her fear for her own well being is criminal negligence.

[Kholinar]

Terrible writing.

Mankind as a whole sees other men/women/children as beneath them. That's the center of such crimes. Patriarchy is just one form/excuse, racism is another, religion is another, etc. Ask young black males (the highest murder population, "Black men 15 to 24 years old are most vulnerable -- some 85 per 100,000 died in 2004 from homicide, compared to a national average of six per 100,000." (And note that this is mostly not racism oriented, since 90% of these are committed by the same race)

Mankind finds excuses to hate. Looking at those individual hates only masks the real problem.

[Spinner]

Some of the comments she's writing shows how ignorant she is...

"If it’s really so difficult for men to control themselves from flying into violent rape-rages, why not just outlaw men from leaving home and going out in public? I mean, it’s not women’s fault that men can’t control themselves…"

I totally understand. I saw this hot girl in class the other day and I just wanted to leap on her, rip her clothes off, and bang her. RIGHT THERE. It took all my goddamn willpower to stop myself though. Close one. Hopefully, I can manage better next time ... how do you guys deal with your violent-rape-rage urges?

/sarcasm.

Seriously? This article is some biased bullshit, should be removed as it has nothing to do with gaming.

[Kholinar]

Seriously.

I work in a social service agency and one man I know was in a domestic dispute with a man and woman.

She stabbed him (deeply) 8 or 9 times in the chest.

The original man's reaction has nothing to do with his sex. To say otherwise is misandry (the opposite of misogyny), viewing a men as an object/animal and makes her a sexist, the very thing she preaches (poorly) against.

[Alymon]

Really this looks like a sad attempt to push a feminist agenda by trying to link it to video games through an incident that really isn't a gaming related incident.

The weapon used was a game controller, but there's never been any indication that gaming was a catalyst to this crime. It might as well have been a rock, a bottle or a club.

This shouldn't even be on n4g. Just because the site is called "feministgamer" doesn't mean it's gaming related.

[Kholinar]

It's part of a bigger problem.

HD Media wars, Firefox vs. Whoever, OS Wars... what do all these things have in common? Loosely or barely related to gaming and capable of generating high temps.

I'd rather read about cool new gaming news from this site. If I want to read about death or tech or whatever I have much better bookmarks in my bar. But people are gaming the system to garner points.

I'm trying not to click on such things anymore (except out of morbid curiosity like in this thread) and I certainly plan on avoiding bringing in ad revenue potential for people's blogs like the one linked in this post.

[Rocko]

LOL, get back in the kitchen b*tch.

[Gam71]

Someone posted a reply which disagreed with her outright and she took the post off.

that's the problem with prejudiced minds, you can't reason with them. Anything that contradicts her she doesn't want to hear and thats another reason why their points lose any validity.

little bloody Hitler.

[S1nnerman]

is that a little innocent child lost her life - it's a total and utter waste of life. The author makes some intersting points for sure and I don't agree with them all.

But, maybe gamers should grow up a bit and think before making 'humourous' comments? There was a different post on N4G about her death and it had some, quite frankly, scandalous quips.

Everyone agrees that games are not the problem 99.99% of the time. Society and values are to blame. I sound like a sanctimonious old git - but that's what I've always believed. We need some collective responsibility to ensure that tragedies like this are prevented - not just trying to stick a plaster on the consequences

[sumfood4u]

Take kare of yur kids, & protect them or don't have them!Stop wasting God Almighty's Blessing on Pure Ignorances! This isnt about Gamers or Feminist it's about Reality Check! This World is deeper than a Bumbs Empty Pocket! Peace!

P.S. "Blame 1st start inside most Cowards Hearts!"

[Mr_Bun]

Does this story make anyone else horny?

[Enigma_2099]

... the hell did THIS come from?!?!?

And if feminists stopped acting like b!tches, maybe more guys would stop being a-holes to them.

I assume she's just lumping ALL of us men together into that category, correct?

[Percy]

This reject is just using videogames to further her agenda like most of the media dies. She might have good points but the comparison to video games is stupid. I'm sure there are plenty of men out there that hate, beat, mistreat, rape etc. woman that have never played a game.

[JasonX43]

First, before I ask my question, I’ll explain myself. See, I’ve always been a really deep thinker and I usually ask the questions no one else thinks of or are too scared to ask. You say that “feminism means less child abuse”, but there’s been examples of bad parenting from men and women alike. So the question I ask is: How would you respond if the bad parent in this incident had been a woman?

[Gam71]

She wouldn't comment, she wouldn't post it, she'd ignore the issue and keep living in her own little bubble where all men a re evil and despite women being strong, confident capable and just generally better than men are always victims.
A story like that would contradict her beliefs and her arguments as well as her skewed view on the world. Hmm, maybe she's Doodle...

Anyway

I asked her that.

I told her about US figures that showed women abuse children more than men. Look up rspcc figures as well that show that for the uk, and asked her her views on the story about the woman who left her baby to die while she play on xbox live then hid the baby in the attic and carried on playing and she deleted my post.

So I guess there's your answer.

[sleepbox]

I think these feminists need to get to the kitchen RIGHT NOW and make me a frikkin sammich!!!!!!!

[Pain]

Cuz you cant hear; OMG!! U A GIRL!??? Can i Haz sEx wIth You....with out a Head set...

[bigman7387]

My problem with this article is not the fact that it has very, very little to do with gaming, but the fact that the writer has completely twisted this into "Every man ever in the history of mankind is at fault." (not an actual quote, just wanted to signify my feelings on this.

While yes, there are some men who feel power from beating or raping a woman, and some men who have abused women, but it is NOT every man. I have never had an uncontrollable urge to beat or rape a woman (as one of the comments from the link said) and I feel that the majority of men haven't either. Yes, it is still absolutely a problem around the world, the degregation of women. But it is improving drastically, and something like this can not be wiped clear from the earth in a second.

I have NEVER, and i will NEVER comsider a girlfriend, wife, or child to be my own property. It is completely degrading and I would never do that to another human being.

"The Media-with-a-capital-M has made millions off of the objectification of women (from using half-naked women to sell cheeseburgers to titilating rape-porn on prime-time TV)." (now this is a direct quote). WHAT PRIME TIME CHANNELS ARE YOU WATCHING?! I haven't yet found a broadcast or cable channel which shows porn at prime-time. And if you want half naked, go watch a freaking mens cologne commercial. Better yet, try to watch it with your girlfriend and not get jealous. While yes, there are many commercials that use attractive, scantilly clad women, there are just as many that do the same with guys, only its often passed over because men do not have boobs. (well most men anyway)

[name]

The core beliefs of actual feminists are reasonable and just. However, the gender relations aren't as simple as A oppresseses B. Men are still pressured to be the dominant ones and have control. They're told to protect girls and be gentle with them, and then you fight wars with them. Honestly, imo I'm not a chuevanist or anything, but if you're starting a family the husband and wife need to have their roles in check. If its the man staying at home then that'll be it then. Because if both parents are at work then whos raising the kids? You'd be amazed at how much having a parent at home helps someone.