Danny explores how hardcore gamers are killing the Xbox One and why Kinect may not be in the box after all.
xfans don't push play.some can't handle the truth.
Zing. But seriously folks. EDIT: Seriously? Disagrees for that? Watch the video. It has a measured, even analysis of the Xbox One debacle and offers a strategy to counteract the current image problem Microsoft has. It doesn't even mention the hardware gap between the consoles. It's not one sided, it's not biased, it's journalism. Regardless of your loyalty, you cannot dispute the fact that Microsoft has not handled this launch well.
No its pointless because if it were any other company that changed policy based on consumer concerns it would be praised but when micro does it they are still evil.
If any other company would have changed it's policies as frequently as MS has over these past few months they would have gotten targeted much sooner. The fact that this is the first and only video of it's kind of calling into question all of MS recent BS is shocking.
the only thing i lost was 4 minutes and 47 seconds. Man that was point-less.
Because it didn't have a positive opinion about the Xbox One right?
It was actually a very good video. Just because the video doesn't favor your thoughts or opinion, doesn't mean it pointless. MS and Sony can learn from this video.
How was being spot on pointless? What did he say that wasn't accurate or logical? I even liked his take on "softcore" gamers which he equates to those that buy the popular shooters and sports titles yearly. I refer to them as mainstream gamers but softcore works just as well. He's correct that it "usually" is the hardcore crowd that dictates which direction the industry goes when a new console is released. They are the early adopters / the trend setters. I also agree that MS will announce a Kinect-less SKU at a cheaper price point. If they don't what was the point of not making it mandatory in the first place? It's coming. Book it.
Actually you guys are all wrong on my feeling as to why its pointless. have you ever heard the phrase: it's not what you say, but how you say it...? Essentially i liken this guys presentation to hip hop gamer but with an accent. He was more about the 'dude bro, if i talk it down like this then people will get behind me no matter what i say'. people want to complain about the lack of professionalism in journalism then this is a good example. he was reaching with the jokes...trying to hard in some cases. there were moments of clarity in the way he spoke but then it would be like...oops i better change the tone or im going to lose the crowd and he would resort to a more cheapening of himself. So it has nothing to do with my preference but more to do with the overall tone of him trying to hard.
That you can liken this guy to HipHopGamer is beyond any measurable sense and begs the question if we watched the same video. All he did was to present the timeline of events. Perhaps you should look into why you thought he tried so hard because I'm fairly certain most didn't have the same opinion as you did. *In before people say they felt the same way just because I said what I said.*
So, rather than address the content- which you seem perfectly able of grasping- you'd prefer to attack the delivery because it wasn't in a method you preferred? "Screw that he's dead-on with everything he says. He's wrong because I don't like how he talks." darth, you're looking more and more like an xbox fanboy every day.
He's right about the stuff he said about MS. 2006 alot of people brought the 360 because they didn't want to wait a year for the PS3. Now both console coming out at the same time so all them people coming back and the $100 price make a differences, just like the 360 had over PS3.
i understand that MS wants to focus on the 13 markets but what might end up happening is that many who will want a next gen will get a ps4 same thing happened last gen when xbox360 came out early, many long time PS fans didn't want to wait so they made the switch IMO this is what MS may loose a lot of consumers early on, with next gen on the horizon i would have liked both sony and MS to be better prepared let's see thought should be great competition
The problem with Microsoft is that they really screwed up on their first impression, which was marketing the Xbox One as a social device first and a gaming console second. It seems like they are trying to make amends with the removal of the "always on" feature and discontinuing the need to have Kinect. Whether or not they are still focused on social media and motion control gimmicks instead of gaming remains to be seen.
"What's next on the flip flop chopping block?" I'm sure MS is looking into ways of having this guy fired and the video taken down as we speak. That video was salty and brutally honest.
It definitely lost. I mean just looking at the sales of the Xbox One everyone can tell that it couldn't stand a chance. And the games that are out for it are a joke. Not to mention stores are marking the Xbox One down because no one is buying the thing. Oh...sorry guys I just came from the year 2018 to tell all of you the bad news that Xbox One is losing. Edit: you don't even want to know about the king Android console that took over the world.
Sales is not equal to quality. Hows Call of Duty been? That must be your favorite game by that logic.
Call of Duty has been great, by my logic. It hasn't been by your logic...or do you mean your "OPINION"?
I for one support our Android overlords...
Wow someone is butthurt..
Flame bait, no way around it. How does this stuff get approved?
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Trolling too? Cute. It's flame bait. It's here simply to piss people off and you know it.
I don't see how it's flame bate when everything he says is completely true. I guess some people prefer to disregard the facts though if they're not in their favor.
He wasnt trolling, just being a smart ass about your facetious question. And this isnt flamebait, flamebait is far more blatant and tends to be trollish. This is just an honest piece, which is rare in the sea of real flamebait articles from both sides, that you got a little too rilled up over.
Price. That Price. You can't charge $100 more than the competition unless you can tell consumers why your product is better than the competition. That works for a company such as Apple. If I am a parent or uninformed like most of the population who just wants a machine to play games then why would I pick up an Xbox One. The messaging so far doesn't matter because consumers aren't going to care, or the 180, all they see at that store is $499. If the Xbox had the Kinect included with $399 now that is value and I can see some great marketing behind that. The only way I see MS from a sales standpoint in the first year winning has to be stellar mass marketing and billions to spend on it(which they have shown they do). We'll see what happens.
They would have to take a hit and sell it for $399 with the Kinect at launch. If they put out a Kinect free SKU, then they're just done. It would require substantial losses, gambled on the promise of an eventual recovery, and even then I don't know if that would be enough to rally people. The image problem is still there in the public awareness, and the hardware gap is pretty substantial.
"The image problem is still there in the public awareness, and the hardware gap is pretty substantial." I'll push back on that. Consumers don't care about the power of these consoles, they care if they can play the games they want to and they look comparable. Average Consumers care about the Features:Price Ratio Hardcore Gamers care about the Specs/Games:Price Ratio The image problem isn't in the mass media. Also we easily forget things or just simply don't care for too long.
For all those who think the wii u is doomed... here you go!! I know the wii u is going to last, mario and zelda, and smash bros. are going to make sure of that, being number one, yes, it can happen, but I don't care if it does or not, just as long as nintendo will last, and they will... but Every one is saying Nintendo is doomed, while it could be Microsoft or even Sony that may be doomed... I hope all three systems survive, competition is good for the systems, but just because the trolls on this sight ARE SOOO SURE that it is going to be nintendo that fails if one of the next gen machines fail.... don't be so sure..It could be Microsoft or sony, Know one can go by just surveys and polls, and say, well Nintendo is doomed!! That all depends on the Economy, and how many people really want to buy a new video game system, only time will tell, if ANY of the machines fail, we shall see.
So what does this have to do with "why the Xbox is losing?"
Number one? Right now, the Wii U isn't even going to be number three.
AND why is the x box one considered to be LOSING? my the trolls are getting upset that their little machine might be the one taht fails? aaww what ever helps the trolls sleep at night!!
*grabs popcorn* Dis gon' be good.
I agree with this video informative and mostly true about MS.
Not bad video. I hope MS doesn't remove Kinect from the box. It is what makes it different beyond the great games they've shown. I am not going to complain that MS listened to it's core audience and made some changes. And the whole pre-order thing means squat! Xbox 360 had a launch all by itself so it had racked up millions of sales before the PS3 even launched. Sony came back in sales and actually put up a decent fight. From what I've seen both systems have sold all their pre-order stock so not sure how they are losing.
Ooooh, he worked in "games retail" ...., a high flyer then? Wtf is a "hardcore" gamer?? Oh yeah, hardcore gamers set the pace, which is why amazing games like Bayonetta sold billions.... Oh, hang on....
Didn't anybody teach you to never go full retard? BTW Hardcore gamers do set the pace, they are the ones that buy the NEW consoles at LAUNCH most of the time and they are the ones that you are guarantee for them to buy your game if you make an awesome game, Bayoneeta could of been better they were so lazy on the PS3 version so many problems maybe if they were actually done ps3 then port to xbox 360 they would of sold more of both instead of just releasing a glitchy mess on PS3..
Hey, did nobody ever teach you debating skills? "Full retard" is offensive. I'm happy to discuss this with you, in about 10 years, when you've grown up.
No way to counter what i said so you pick on what i called you, and I don't have debating skills facepalm. BTW great use of your two bubbles now i see why you have 2.
Last sounds good to me had a ball on most consoles that have not been the leader like this gen with Wii hardly touched it all 360 now pc the dreamcast was very sweet xbox one and pc it is, actually I have never owned a leading selling console.
If the Microsoft had brought the Xbox One out in the state that it is in now, then I believe things would be a lot different. Online requirements were the first major misstep, along with the confusing messaging and being 100 dollars more than the closest competition. The launch games look good, and while they may not be everyone's cup of tea, they are very comparable to what is being offered for the PS4, imo. Microsoft truly did misjudge the market, as everyone wasn't willing or ready for the digital future that they were trying to push us into. Sony capitalized off of this by staying true and steady to the status quo. I think that, if the One was announced as the console that it is today along with a matching 399 price tag, then I believe that this initial race would look a lot more even.
its losing, because its such a weak console, but it is a powerful tv box, no wait you still need your current tv box a new Kinect which is 30% more accurate then the old one, yeah that's a real game changer right there, batteries for your controller, no Bluetooth, a ugly power brick, the cheapest design they could find, xbox live is more expensive and you don't get any free games, xbox live will be a ghost town on every game except for fps, and all this for 100$ extra
Ouch, that does paint a bleak picture of the X1. Thing is though, apart from the 30% more accurate kinect comment (I think they've put in a few more feature than that) everything else you said is very accurate. While I don't completely agree that XBL will be a ghost town, if this ratio of 4:1 continues in the PS4 favor, the Xbox online community is going to be a lot smaller than this gen, while PS4's is going to be a lot bigger. So if online gaming is your priority, you're probably going to want to get a PS4.
This video finally gave me a way to think of myself as a 'mainstream'/softcore gamer.. I read this site, I keep up on games that are coming out, but I only buy a few titles a year and sometimes don't get around to playing them for six months or more. I just started Bioshock Infinite yesterday. I was honestly excited about the original Xbox One package- I use my 360 more for streaming apps than games at this point, and I loved the idea of having a console, a blu ray player, Netflix/Hulu/HBO Go/etc. and cable content all in one quick efficient box. Even now, if they change up the backwards compatibility stuff I'll buy one ASAP. But every media company's been trying to converge on the living room for 20 years, and Microsoft looked like they had a shot to do it, with a mainstream breakthrough device. I liked all the digital content stuff, I didn't care about the always-on Internet, and I don't buy so many games that I cared much about the logistics of trading them in. Now MS just seems directionless, and cowed by a 'hardcore' community that frankly seems reactionary and petulant. The squeaky wheel is getting all the grease in this case- and I'm motivated to join and post just to share that as a more casual videogame player, I was genuinely excited about the Xbox One reveal, and now I'm just concerned that when I do buy one, anywhere from 0 to 18 months after the release, I'll be getting a crippled product out of the box and an ecosystem crippled by a small, cranky segment of the market.
I'll keep saying it...MS is trying to make the XBO a PS4.
They tried to square a hardcore series of policies with having a softcore console that was about having Kinect 2.0 as mandatory- and yet having no major Kinect 2.0 launch games. It's a puzzle that investigators may eventually crack many decades from now. But the only reasonable explanation appears to be that American, sports loving, TV owners with young families, who might have once owned the original Xbox but were now trying to convince their wife that they could still get up from their chair and wave their arms in the air, were identified as the bread and butter. It's kind of charming but is it an imaginary consumer who'd so frequently like to spend that amount of money on something that you can connect to your cable box that can also play games. And the mystery of why they would turn Ryse from being a Kinect game in to having normal controls if Kinect 2.0 is supposed to be a cornerstone of the console.
I think they see Kinect as an investment in the future of the platform- even if it's not compelling now, it might be in a year or two, with a big installed base and new ideas. My experience of Xbox Live- though I'm not familiar with the PS equivalent- was of MS constantly refining and even overhauling the experience to develop the best possible interface and content offerings. And I don't know whether they've misjudged the market- they've obviously misjudged the preferences and flexibility of the 'hardcore' market, but as the Wii demonstrated, there's a much broader segment of potential customers. And anecdotally, they've judged me pretty well.
Another doom and gloom article. I got tired of these back when PS3 was launched. People who have a 360 will probably also buy a One. People who have a PS3 will probably buy a PS4. Sure there are some people who may jump one ship for the other and there are also those who will purchase both consoles. If people had no complaints and paid for years of Live service they probably won't mind the extra $100 for Kinect, after all they've been paying for MP all this time. This extra $100 can be thought of as a "one time fee". Quite frankly the idea of controlling some features by voice commands does sound interesting to me. I'm not one to jump around and flail my arms around though. I may use Kinect, I may not, but the extra price won't deter me. I also bought a PS3 when it was more expensive than the 360, so paying a little more isn't really an issue to me.
360 only stay alive this gen because the PS3 starting price. nothing else!!!! NOt the online,The games,Controller etc.... The price. NOw that the PS4 isn't as highly priced as the PS3 launch price was Microsoft and the Xbox One are Doomed.
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