Xbox One’s Game Recording Features Restricted To Xbox Live Gold Members

One Hit Pixel: "Game DVR, the Xbox One’s system for recording and uploading footage from users’ games will be restricted to Xbox Live Gold members."

[logan_izer10]

Surprise surprise

[xHeavYx]

I saw it coming, MS won't be happy until it gets every single penny from their consumers

[gaffyh]

It Only Does Everything...Worse.

J/k

Seriously though, who didn't see this coming?

[LostDjinn]

Well I didn't see it coming!

This is the hardware equivalent of On-disk DLC. It doesn't cost MS a damn thing for the feature as it's not stored on any of their servers (it uses Twitch servers) and the user pays for their own bandwidth.

[JokesOnYou]

That sucks, but this is not new info, it was reported when they announced Twitch service back in early June. http://www.ign.com/articles... I wondering though who is going to buy an X1 so they can record gameplay to share online but they don't have XBL Gold?, it seems both would go hand and hand. Also whats changed from xbox 360?, I mean to use the online features I thought you've always needed a gold subscription.

So now are we going to get cherry picked old news from every blog about X1?, what about ps4?, guess what you got to pay to play online, who knew?

[ZeroX9876]

I'll be using this to capture nice moments or an epic run of a level. I can store it and watch it later and maybe even show it to my friends.

so if I'm reading correctly, you need the internet to sign in to Xbox live. that makes the feature and online-only feature. Plus, you need to pay Xbox live, even if you want to store it on your X1 HDD....

plus is there any real free to play game on the X1 like the PS4 is getting (no PS plus requirements for those games)? it's always nice to get some titles when the console launch and I know killer instinct is free to play.

[pompombrum]

Sad but true.. I think it's really sad that Microsoft is putting so many of the console's features behind a pay wall. As a long term XBL gold subscriber, I never really notice these things but it really is quite dirty of them. I'm surprised there hasn't been any controversy really especially seeing just how many of the console's features will require this subscription to work.

[4Sh0w]

I have kids and a mortgage to pay, nobody would like to see "free stuff" more than me but lets not be ridiculous what some of you are actually trying to say is that you are going to buy a $400-$500 plus $60 games that cut off half the game but its OK cause at least I get to watch netflix, hulu, etc, wow seriously?
The FACT that you now have to pay to play both consoles online makes this point mute because online gameplay is the single biggest reason to pay by far because we are GAMERS first everything else is a distant 2nd.You still have to pay those individual subscription services. Who pays for hulu but doesnt have a laptop? Who really cares about netflix access but buys a console where with no online they miss out on half their games? It just isn't logical that you want either of these consoles but you dont care for online, this gen proved the amount of sp only games is getting smaller and smaller but yeah I still want to watch netflix movies online on my $500 GAMING console so what if I'm cutoff from half my game. No it makes more sense you just dont care about any of the extra features or you want to pay so you get it all.

[christian hour]

Is it really a surprise? These are the same guys that make you require a gold subscription to use facebook, netflix etc pretty much any useful feature that requires the internet on a microsoft console is going to be for gold members only.

[Darrius Cole]

I think that this is a remnant of the Xbone's original, always online, DRM policy. They anticipated all of their customers having online and buying Xbox Live. So it makes sense that they would put all of their services behind a pay-wall because their goal was to do everything in their power to push all of their customers to buy Xbox Live.

That still takes some balls though. Can you imagine if your PC did that? Imagine if you paid a subscription to Hulu, but you still had to pay Microsoft because you use Windows 8 operating system, or Google because you use a ChromeBook?

I wonder if their original plan required users to have and Xbox Live account in order to do their DRM check-ins?

@4Sh0w

I think the point is still that with Hulu, Netflix, etc. you are already paying them for a subscription so you should not have to pay Microsoft in order to use them.

[Ray186]

You really have to ask. Are they actually able to do anything right? Every announcement that they make is worse than the last.

[mewhy32]

This is no surprise at all. I mean they put everything else behind the pay wall. Why wouldn't they put this behind it too? It's all about getting as much money from their sheep as possible.

[kupomogli]

@4Sh0w

While I pay for PS+ already because of what it offers, what if I didn't?

I have over 100 games for the PS3, less than 15 I've played online more than once. This isn't counting the PS+ games I own that I also haven't got online using.

So there's a lot of content without ever having to go online. Also. Tales of Vesperia, Lost Odyssey, etc. I only have to buy the 360 games I'm interested in since there's a capable emulator for the system available. I don't care about online for the system.

[stage88]

Typical MS. Thanks for making my decision to buy a PS4 much easier.

[minimur12]

apart from kindof being disgusted at this, I also find it comical. Without sounding fanboyish
PS4 recording is better (15 mins). Free.

Xbox One's recording (5mins). Paid.
Yes, Xbox have a better website to stream on (Twitch) but it is not limited by a paywall. It is probably that GIANT cheque (how it's spelled in UK) they payed to Twitch to get the service, just like their conferences on TV.

Admitabble that you need PS Plus for online multiplayer but the IGC kinda pays for all of it.

[Gekko36]

@xHeavYx I'm an Xbox customer and I don't care, I am getting a Gold account new for the Xbox One as my 360 account runs out in October. It's only £32 for 12 months so I'm sure I'll be heart broken to have to pay it.

Live is bitchin, I've loved it since the Original Xbox, I don't buy Japanese brands if I can help it especially Sony products.

This is a non issue, yet you seem to want to turn it into something. If your unhappy with it buy a PS4!

Talk about making mountains out of molehills.

[xHeavYx]

@Gekko36
2 things, first, care to explain why you don't buy Japanese brands? You probably prefer American brands that outsource jobs to Asia?
Second, How is it not a problem that apps, free to play games, and other stuff are behind a paywall? Especially when the opposition is doing the exact opposite

[scofios]

@xHeavYx

They deserve it.

[Saigon]

I hope no one is getting mad at this news because this was expected.

[The_Con-Sept]

I love it when fanboys try to shoo in a bunch of jab shots before they are called. 2minths ago Xbox fanboys be like "we don't have to pay in order to record video!"

Now they be like "I bought a 100 dollar HDMI capture card to capture my gameplay!"

Honestly I'd much rather just do it on the console itself. Like the PS4 where I get a bunch of free games alongside the service as an awesome bonus.

[4Sh0w]

@Darrius no that makes no sense how could you ALREADY be paying for a subscription but then HAVE TO PAY MICROSOFT TO USE THEM? You are actually making my above point for me because if you have a subscription already why would you buy a $500 console just to use it?

@kupomogli you just said "While I pay for PS+ already" STOP right there, no matter how you justify it YOU and I are in the same boat= we both pay we both have access to everything, "what if" doesn't apply unless like I said above you're going out to get a console for $500+$60 per game, you're OK with being cut from half of those $60 games but you want me to believe now you're pissed because you cant pay $60 for a full year(or cheaper if you look) so how else are you going to watch netflix that you already decided to pay for? I'm sorry it just doesn't make sense. lol, I can't believe this is a big deal, especially from people online all day on n4g.

[malokevi]

It uses the cloud. If you buy an XB1 and opt out of a gold subscription, you are essentially throwing away your hard earned cash.

I guarantee that all XB1 exclusives will make express use of the cloud, especially in a few years time. Even now, I imagine Forza will be an empty shell without a subscription.

The online requirement may be gone, but its still essentially a necessity. If you are a single-player gamer, I would stick with PS4/WiiU.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

@Heavy I saw that coming a mile away. Mean while You should be concerned with Sony and how it will charge for Gaikai extra charge.

Leave it to N4G to blow up the section and make a big deal out of something we already new about...

[ICECREAM]

You know what, you guys still don't get it, Ps4 recording is totally different than X1, Ps4 constantly records 15 minutes, you can access any moment during 15 minutes time that you have played and then you can edit it and upload or send it to your friends but X1 only records, you can't go back to save anything that has already happened so basically if you are looking to record any unexpected moment during your game play that happened before 30 seconds, you won't be able to record with X1. You can record only 5 minutes.

[malokevi]

@ICECREAM

Thats not even remotely true.

Xbox One records the last 7 minutes of gameplay, and at any time you can say "Xbox Record" and start recording for 30 seconds.

You can go back to that 7 minutes of gameplay at any time, edit it, picture in picture it, add commentary, a ton of editing options, and then post it to that game-streaming service whose name I forget.

If your going to argue, at least learn the facts.

[ICECREAM]

@malokevi

Quote from article:

"Microsoft’s Game DVR allows Gold members to record up to 5 minutes of in-game footage for editing and upload to the Xbox live service. Players can also save the last 30 seconds of a game instantly during times when pausing the game may not be possible, such as during an online multiplayer match".

I don't need to argue with you.

[malokevi]

Lol, yeah, wouldn't do either of us any good. I just realized that I have no idea what the hell you were trying to say for a complete lack of punctuation. I can't even decipher it.

I thought you said XB1 doesn't record at all, and that the only option is the 30 second "Xbox, Record" command. Apparently not.

[darthv72]

being an existing gold member this really wont cost me an extra penny.

They keep adding more to my subscription and its fine with me. If it were the other way around, taking from my subscription, then i could see a problem.

[thechosenone]

The Xbone is now officially the worst console next gen.

[gaffyh]

@gekko - That sounds incredibly racist without an explanation. Although I tend to avoid anything that is American made because it is usually low quality. There are exceptions of course, and I tend to buy Japanese electronics and cars because they usually have better reliability and quality., and obviously there are exceptions here as well.

@malokevi - I think what he is trying to say is that if you encounter a hilarious glitch, and say Xbox Record, you can only go back 30 seconds, but you can record from then on for 7 minutes. So the system is only recording 30 seconds in advance? I'm not sure if that's actually true but I think that's what he means.

[Denethor_II]

@JokesOnYou
"So now are we going to get cherry picked old news from every blog about X1?, what about ps4?, guess what you got to pay to play online, who knew?"

You've had to pay to play online since 2005 with Xbox. Try harder troll.
You mentioned Xbox live and this going hand in hand. Yes you have to have PS+ to play online, thanks Microsft btw, but you also get an absurd amount of games for with that subscription.
Counter argument. No. Bye now.

[BallsEye]

But it's ok. If sony would nanounce you need PS+ to use recording too, all the fanboys writing atm would say "it's worth the money! Atleast we know we will get quality service! Sony Powerzz!". Same thing happened when sony announced no more free online gaming. Funny creatures you are.

[Ritsujun]

Laughable.

And, JOY's joking on herself, AGAIN. =/

[morganfell]

End of argument as regards Sony:

http://www.dualshockers.com...

[Blachek]

For what other purpose would somebody record game footage, if not to put it online?

This move makes sense.

[Mystogan]

Who cares lol, you can't share it with anyone if you don't have gold anyway.

Then again,I really don't care what requires gold or not. I always have gold.

@DragonKnight

I am having a hard time trying to figure out what you are trying to prove here -.-

[GodGinrai]

"Who cares lol, you can't share it with anyone if you don't have gold anyway."

That...is a VERY good point..

EDIT: you need gold to play multiplayer etc. So the feature would be pretty useless if they gave it away free anyway.I mean..what are you gonna do watch reruns of yourself playing forza or something? the game already saves replays. halo? well, you would record a big team battle match..but you need to be a gold member to play that in the first place.

Come to think of it, why is this even news? DVR is really for teenage MLG wannabes showing off their COD killstreaks.

[DragonKnight]

"Who cares lol, you can't share it with anyone if you don't have gold anyway."

Lol, you totally can't.. unless you use Twitch so that the entire internet can see it. Lol Lol Lol lol.

"Then again,I really don't care what requires gold or not. I always have gold."

Good for you. Now if you can somehow apply your life and what you have to everyone in the world, i.e. pay for everyone's Gold account, then you can tell them to care or not.

[gaelic_laoch]

For most people it about freedom of choice and not being place in golden handcuffs!

[No_Limit]

This is old news..it was known a long time ago that it is part of the gold subscription since early Jun.
"Twitch integration on the Xbox One will allow Xbox Live Gold members to broadcast games directly to their Twitch channels."
http://www.gamespot.com/new...

LOL, N4G seems shocked by this like it was just announced today. I have gold and it is not an issue.

Edit @Dragonknight. Looking forward to your next blog about this. Oh, the imaginary things you can do with this information. :D

[mcstorm]

@Mystogan I agree and if you look at the numbers of sales of the 360 and number of gold members there is only around about 25 million consoles out there that don't have a gold account so just over 3 quarters of 360 owners have a gold account and I bet once you take into account people who have replaced there 360 or own more than one it will be about a quarter of people don't have xbox live which shows more people play online with the 360 than don't. Again Im the same as you I have gold all the time so for me it is not an issue but I don't see it being an issue for a lot of people who are looking at getting an xbox one to.

One thing is weather you like it or not xbox live is a massive success or Microsoft and will/is bring in a lot of money for them which Sony is now looking to follow and im sure Nintendo will do this in the end to.

The only down side to it is I see it putting people off owning more than one console because if all 3 charge £40 for online services that's £120 just to play your consoles online. This is also part of the reason im holding off getting a PS4 at release because it could cost £80 to get them both online.

[UnHoly_One]

@gaelic_laoch

What does that even mean?

Freedom of choice?

Whose choice? Microsoft is building a product and selling a service.

They can design both of those things however they want, presumably however they think will make them the most profit.

YOU have the choice to buy or not buy their product and/or their service. YOU don't get to pick and choose how their service is designed, nothing in the world works that way.

I don't like the fact that in order to get HBO from Charter Cable, I have to also get Cinemax and Showtime. I don't use Cinemax and Showtime, so why should I have to take them, right?? I should be able to pick and choose how their service is designed in order to suit me personally, right?

Wrong, because that isn't how it works, and because I'm not an entitled little brat that thinks the world revolves around me, and that multi-million dollar corporations should bend to my will because I'm going to give them a few measly dollars.

Seriously people, it is what it is.

They are making a product, and a service, and you either buy it, or don't. If there aren't enough people buying it, they may change things. That's how the world works.

Christ this website gives me a damn headache, and makes me ashamed of the human species.

[DragonKnight]

@Mystogan: You said "you can't share it with anyone if you don't have Gold." Twitch doesn't require Gold to use, you can use it on your PC. So someone can easily put their content on Twitch for everyone to see.

@No_Limit: Why would I write a blog about this? Microsoft putting everything behind a Gold paywall is really old news that's been butchered to death. No one is surprised by this at all.

@mcstorm: Your numbers are wrong. 46 million users have Xbox Live Gold, of approx. 80 million consoles. That's just over 50% not 75%.

[CYCLEGAMER]

Totally agree! I hate to sound insensitive here but I do not think I know an xbox owner who doesn't have a gold subscription, and none of us are close to being wealthy or "rich".

I take that back I know one person and he is my boss, and he makes more money than all of us...lol, he just doesn't care to game online.

[XboxFun]

Again, a lot of the Sony camp is coming on here turning this into a big deal.

Who is going to get any of these systems who's main selling point IS the online gaming. I have already heard from countless sony fans that they will be paying for PS+ and anyone who says different needs to re-think their investment decisions.

You want a device to watch Netflix, Hulu, or Redbox? Then I suggest you get Rocu or something similar. You want a console to do all of the above and play games online, then get a Xbox One or PS4 and guess what you will be paying for the online service.

Moot point to single out Xbox One for this.

[PFFT]

Who doesnt have Twitch nowadays??? Almost everyone has a Twitch account.I feel bad for Ustream though almost no one uses that poor excuse of a streaming site.

[dredgewalker]

To be honest I don't find this a big deal. Everyone who's buying an Xbox is most likely a 360 fan and they most likely have the subscription already. I'm not buying an Xbox One so I don't think I or the people who's gonna buy a PS4 should even be bothered by this. Can't we all just co-exist? Both fanboys of both consoles are just as worse as the other.

[thetruthx1]

Microsoft is trying to get every penny from their customers when the Kinect 2.0 costs as much as the xbox one and it's only $100 more than the Ps4??

The reason Sony has been in financial ruins is because they aren't running the business as well as Microsoft that's why they were forced to sell their
buildings lol

They make these exclusives that Sony fanboys brag about but aren't even buying lol Microsoft sold 10 million more games this generation with less exclusives

This time xbox one has the exclusives too

Microsoft is worth billions more than Sony because they are business smart

[Mystogan]

I'm not sure how many people are going to be effected by this(Gold required for game recording). I'm pretty sure its close to zero.

But yes Microsoft runs their business a lot better. Microsoft made more money from the Xbox 360 then Sony did with the PS3. Even with the RROD fiasco.

[HammadTheBeast]

MS lost billions off the RROD thing alone, Nintendo was the only one to make a real profit this Gen.

Bragging about financial stats when MS s*** on you, classic fanboy move.

[Darrius Cole]

Actually Microsoft doesn't run their business any better than Sony at all. Microsoft generates a lot of excess cash because they still have a virtual monopoly on PC operating systems, which are still Microsoft's biggest money maker.

IBM was forced by the US Anti-trust laws to separate the sale of PC hardware from PC software, and IBM chose to sub-contract it's operating system to Microsoft, who then bought an operating system from another company once they had the contract.

If you look at Microsoft's non-computer-software ventures you won't find many successes there. The Xbox 360 is about the best thing that they have ever done, and that was more about Sony forcing Blu-Ray on the market than it was about Microsoft getting it right.

By the way, Apple was using window-based graphical user interfaces before Microsoft released its first version of Windows. Apple even sued Microsoft over it. So Microsoft has been copying Apple for some time.

[Valkyre]

Yeah but when Sony put a blu ray inside PS3 that costed alone close to 1000$ and yet they gave you also a console with it at the pricetag of 600$, everybody lost their minds!! (enter Joker scene for reference)

When Sony offers you extra stuff that future proof your console its like "booo we dont need that, when i buy a console i only care about teh gamez, not watching movies!"

But now that MS has produced a console that does 239587205820582052 stuff unrelated to gaming and FORCES them upon you, hey...

its "cool".

Suddenly cable tv, talking to your tv , doritos and mountain dew, you know.... they are awesome stuff for gaming!!

Hypocricy much?

[gaelic_laoch]

What other suprises do M$ have left before launch?

[josephayal]

Surprise Surprise Puppy Surprise, I'm proud to have never paid a dime for Live

[logan_izer10]

Wish I could say the same thing :(
At least I'm not paying them anymore...

[TwistedMetal]

hahaha oh wow omg really you guys are gonna get the xbox one? all those features are free on ps4 son.

[pyramidshead]

Amusing but not at all surprising. Wonder what else will be behind the paywall.

[cl1983]

Well at least you can still use your recorders from this gen with the xbox one.

[Blaze929]

so you need to be an online subscriber...to record stuff saved offline....dat Microsoft logic. If just did an amazing combo and want to save it on my XB1 HDD just to have it, I need to subscribe to an online service? what?

I swear on some things, they are just making this too easy for Sony

[tordavis]

Isn't the DVR supposed to record to the cloud!? Correct me if I'm wrong here. You could fill up 500gb pretty fast otherwise.

This was expected and I'm glad their doing it. I wanted more Gold features for Xbox 360. Now I feel like I'm getting something for my $39 a year.

[MizTv]

Boy I didn't see this one coming

[harrisk954]

Amazing... just when you think that MS is learning, they continue to do stuff that just makes you shake your head. Sony is offering value in PS+ and nothing other than online play is behind the pay wall.

[Excalibur]

Of course, Most all of Microsoft's features are behind a pay wall, where Sony is not.

We can't really call this news can we? It's most always a given it will be this way.

[Mystogan]

Who's to say that Sony doesn't have it behind a pay wall? We don't know as much about PSN+ on PS4 as you think.

I still wonder, Who would buy a console just to watch Netflix. Truth is, Most people who are connected to the internet are going to have Gold or PSN+ anyway. So it's not that big of a deal as to what is behind a pay wall or not.

@HammadTheBeast

You are telling me that there are people who buy a console to only Play single player games. I am sorry but I think most of these people are better of with a gaming PC. You get everything for free even the games if you Pirate.

[HammadTheBeast]

A lot of people only play SP games. MP isn't their thing, so having access to cross-game chat, Netflix, and f2p games is a big deal for them.

[Excalibur]

@ Mystogan
Did you not read the article?
This has also been stated before, several times.

"Sony’s Share feature for PlayStation 4 allows users to record and upload up to 15 minutes of footage and is not restricted to PlayStation Plus users."

Don't take my comment as any type of attack, just merely stating a fact, you're welcomed to point out where I'm wrong and Microsoft offers things that are not behind their pay wall that Sony charges for.

I have both Xbox live (6 years) and PSN+ (1 1/2 year) so I know what each offers.

[kayoss]

@excalibur
Some people like to jump to the conclusion and skip the fact part just like mystogan. He dont realized that there are several types of gamers in this world and two of them are single player gamers and multiplayer gamers. Is it fair for a person who only play SP mode pay a subscription fee to get access to Netflix, facebook and other apps that they already paid a subscription for or should be free? Of course not. Microsoft nickle and dime you at every chance they get. With the Xbox one fiasco, im glad finally the gamers are standing up against Microsoft and voice their displeasure. This forced them to change some of their policies and be an example to other companies who try treat their consumers like idiots.

[nunley33]

there are millions of offline players who don't play online multiplayer. they may like playing rpg,action,puzzle games.this is why ms did a 180 on their always online drm policy. for those who only play sp games but may wanna watch netflix without paying for online multi they won't should just buy a ps4 instead of xb1.

[N8]

Yea lots of people do. It's not all about online gameplay

[Bathyj]

Well i only play single player and i don't care about pc. Don't have psplus or xblive. Thinking about psplus cos you get more than the privelidge of playing your own games online, you get discounts and free games, but i havent seen anything to make me get it yet.

[Gentlemanlygamer1992]

I don't play MP. I like single player games. Most of the Poole online nowadays are assholes or I don't like the MP aspect of the game. I haven't seriously played online since Halo Reach. I hate that I have to pay for gold to use my paid subscription of Netflix. It's bullcrap. That's why I enjoy my PS3 better. I can play online on the few occasions I choose to. Which is hardly. I play Dust every now and then when I want to shoot things but otherwise I don't play online. But I do have PS+ though and I've had it for 3 months and don't regret it. It's paid for itself 3 times over already. So no foul to me. And I can't afford a gaming rig. I'd hate to have a pc that I could mod all the games I could download to give me the best possible. If I had a PC that couldn't run Skyrim with all the mods I'd be sad. If I ever get enough money for that, damn right I'm gone buy a PC. but I'll still have my PS3/4 and 360. I'm skipping Xone this gen until the price goes way down.

[Excalibur]

@kayoss

Agree, as I said I'm a member of both services and I see the difference for better or worse on both.

For example
Sony gave away 64 games in it's first year of PSN+ at a value over $1,000

http://www.ign.com/articles...

And after six years of service (at $10.00 more a year I might add) Microsoft is up to 6 free games, one of which I can buy used at GameStop for $2.99 and BTW I have them all already so it didn't benefit me in the least.

Again I'm not hating, just merely stating a fact.

[harrisk954]

Netflix CEO Reed Hastings had the following to say: “PS3 is our largest TV-connected platform in terms of Netflix viewing, and this year, at times, even surpassed the PC in hours of Netflix enjoyment to become our number one platform overall."

http://www.ign.com/articles...

[Belking]

" Most all of Microsoft's features are behind a pay wall, where Sony is not."

And sony's are slowly changing as well. Fist it was free online and now their isn't. They will be adding more and more behind that pay wall too. They won't be able to keep giving stuff for free and keep footing the bill. Its suicide.

[HammadTheBeast]

I love how this has always been the excuse. First it was "Sony will have DRM too". Then, "Sony will ban used games as well".

I'm not saying they won't, but can we really just dump Sony in here to justify this?

[WeAreLegion]

Sony's haven't changed. The online multi-player for all non-F2P games is the only feature added to the PS Plus subscription.

They haven't added anything else. What do you mean "slowly changing"?

[SexyGamerDude]

Lol Just like you thought Sony was going to ban used games and require online?

Just because MS does it doesn't mean Sony will.

[kayoss]

@belking
Why do you feel like you have to justify your support for Microsoft by pointing fingers at others? Yes Sony have their flaws too but they were willing to change. Everything they did wrong with the PS3 early has so far been corrected and have changed in the PS4. Everything that was wrong with the xbox360 has been carried over to the xbox one. Microsoft have nothing to try to change regardless of what the consumers want. They try to dictate what consumers want. If it wasnt for consumers voicing their opinion, the xbox one policies would have been worst.

[joeorc]

@Belking

"And sony's are slowly changing as well. Fist it was free online and now their isn't. They will be adding more and more behind that pay wall too."

once again Sony is not Microsoft! just because Microsoft does it does not mean Sony will follow. For one FREE 2 PLAY Multi-player Games on the Playstation 4 are still free to play online, that is not the same as Microsoft's any and every online Multi-player Game must go through XBOXLIVE "Gold" if its Multi-player. unlike Microsoft.

Sony does indeed still Offer online Multi-player online for Free for consumer's to play without the need for Playstation + requirement for the PS4.

That is 100% a fact!

So once again this is like the 6th time i have told you this, and other's, Again they are not the freaking same. But many of the people it seems that like to point o for Multi-player keep trying to claim its now the same as Microsoft, no free online multi-player for the PS4 and that is just not true at all.Even though Sony is now charging for some Online Multi-player Games the truth of the matter is not all of Multi-player online games on the PS4 are in back of a paywall you know this and yet you still continue to post Misinformation.

[hazelamy]

the thing is they're not giving stuff free.
allowing you to access the netflix app without a subscription is not them giving something free.
neither is it with lovefilm, youtube, hulu or whatever apps they allow people to access on PS4.

they're not providing those services, other companies are, and they usually charge for them.

[slimeybrainboy]

Considering that the capability of this is in the console and not the cloud, or a Microsoft server it's kind of unreasonable to be behind the paywall. MS need to realise that people who are going to get a Gold subscription are going to get one, people who aren't going to get one won't.

[DragonKnight]

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http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_i...

[Cmk0121]

Im a huge fan of the xbox 360 but geez all they have done this coming gen is be a step behind Sony and cost more to boot. they have yet to justify price short of the kinect. My only guess and they better have nailed it is functionality. Xbox live is quicker for downloading, more secure than psn, if the instant switching and overall functions of the system are way better than that of ps4 they better get to demonstrating that. as of now theyve done litte to justify the price point

[kayoss]

Would you rather pay $500 for a Xbox one with Kinect or pay $500 for a PS4 with a Vita?
I dont understand why microsoft feel that they need to push the kinect to the consumers. Its a peripheral and should not be mandatory.

[Cryptcuzz]

Has the PS4 and Vita SKU been confirmed? If so, that would be a huge hit on all aspects for Sony.

[beebap]

Ms has been hacked too.The hack on psn was a major one from a determined group.Sony then wisely spend some time beefing up their security.MS system has not been attacked to that extreme so it not really clear who is the most secure.

[gazgriff2k12]

lol anybody that buys microsoft products must like getting shafted up the rear and then get charged for it

[Quicktopick]

lol. dont put that here bro. somebody myt get angry

[kayoss]

Dont you mean, "Dont put that here bro. Somebody might get "Butt Hurt"".

[Angeljuice]

I know, and then they laugh and say "see your multiplayer isn't free now either", as if it was a smart move to get in early on the trend of getting shafted by console companies.

Well done, you predicted the trend and got into paying money for a service a whole generation ahead of PS gamers. Now you have the privilege of saying:

"I was one of the pioneers of paying for multiplayer, in fact I was paying when the rest of the gaming world was getting the same for free, I'm so ahead of the curve, aren't I clever?". /S

[xReDeMpTiOnx]

This one was pretty obvious....

I think its time Microsoft releases the reins on paywall apps and features and gives us the consumers a little bit more freedom with the device we bought to support them and play games in the first place.

[gaelic_laoch]

Right hook and booooommmm the Xbone is on the canvas again 1 2 3 ........

[GentlemenRUs]

I don't get it, How can Sony offer it for free when you have to pay to use this feature on the XBONE?

There must be some logic hidden somewhere right?

[kayoss]

The biggest logic... KaChing (Money for those who dont understand)!!!

[GodGinrai]

Im curious..why or when would a ps4 user who does not have PSN+ to play games like KZ or BF4 online, feel the need to use DVR? or is it just for when you play the f2p games that dont require a psn+ account?

Im not saying it shouldnt be free, but given that the only real uses I can see for it involve Multiplayer/social scenarios, which you pay for via XBL. I dont think it makes a difference. free or not, its only of any use if your playing online..if your actually going to use it. I cant see myself using it, so even it was free it would not make a difference.

Same could be said on PS4. If you want to record your matches on BF4,KZ, GT-PS4, you are going to have to PAY for a PSN+ sub first. Or do you guys only intend on basing your gaming habits on what you can get for free out of sony?

[Angeljuice]

To be honest, thats exactly what I'll be likely to do when I get my ps4. I don't have a lot of spare cash at the moment but my situation changes frequently. If I buy a PS4 and find myself short, I don't have to pay another penny to play games. If the same scenario happened with X1, I'll have paid £80 more in the first place, then have to pay for gold just to play free games. Easy choice.

[GodGinrai]

@Angeljiuce

I understand if the cost is an issue for you.

But I, like most 360 owners have a gold account. Mine does not expire till june next year. So I dont need to buy a sub on launch day. Im buying my X1 with forza 5 and BF4 (ryse looks stunning, but I will wait till I try it my self) and one of them turtle beach headsets. I may buy KI at launch too. I already put money aside for launch. I would suggest you do the same so you are not left wanting anything on launch day for PS4. Never know, you may decide to pick up an extra pad etc.

[DiRtY]

If you want to enjoy the next gen systems, you need a subscription for each. Nothing new.

[xReDeMpTiOnx]

Well besides the difference between how many features are hidden behind paywalls :/

[DiRtY]

Doesn't matter as the long as the most important one is behind a paywall for both systems: Online Gaming.

Btw. recording single player gaming is probably the most boring part you can record :-)

Montages were you PWN3D other players > playthroughs.

[gaelic_laoch]

For me an Xbone is bricked without Gold!

[GodGinrai]

After using XBL for 7-ish years I agree. When My internet went down I didnt even turn it on. I need to be in a party chat even when im playing a game like skyrim.

And if, like me, many your "real" friends(not the people you made friends with via XBL/PSN)own a x360, then party chat becomes more like "free phone calls". Im pretty sure most people who own a 360 use party chat to talk instead of their phone when at home.

[DEEBO]

that sucks,next thing is your going to have to be a gold member to trade games. oh yeah i have the list of the reserves for the new systems if the n4g members want to see it.
x1 40
ps4 100
i work at gamestop and i printed out last night.reply to me if you want me to post it on n4g.

[1lawrence]

post it

[DEEBO]

well i never posted anything on this website before.my avatar and profile pic is the print out.but if you tell what i need to do to post it so you can get a better look,i will do it.it says add attached image but i'm not always on my p.c. i use the vita or wii u gamepad most of the time.

[sly-Famous]

post.

[bub16]

They always get you somewhere down the line, not that they hadn't already lol

How people fall for Microsofts scams is beyond me

[Belking]

No it would of been a scam if they gave if for free and then turn around and charge. That's what sony did with Multi-player. That is more of a scam.

[joeorc]

@Belking

Again, Sony still offer's free online Multi-player games for the PS4.

So no Once again, Sony does indeed still offer free online Gaming to the consumer's even still on the PS4.

And before you sit there and say Planet side 2 is not that good and it does not matter because some game like COD will only matter anyway, Is not the point, because the fact of the matter is Sony still offer's on the PS4 online Multi-player and if the game is its free to play, It still is free to play, no pay wall.

Your just grasping at straws, quit trying to spread this Misinformation when you know d@mn well what you are claiming is not true. Its one thing if you just heard the news and you did not know the fact's are , but that is not the case you know what they are, because it has been posted many times already on this forum.

Yoshida already gave out the official statement.

[hazardman]

@Joeorc

I think its free to play for free to play games. If im correct you need ps+ to play online multiplayer for other games. Before you disagree do some research but thats what ive read in several articles on this very site!!!

[XboxFun]

@Joeorc

please provide a link that multi player games are still free to play on PS4.

Because from my understand only the F2P games will be free to play and outside the pay wall. But the DL or retail games like BF4, CoD, Destiny, and everything else you will need to pay for PS+.

Now unless every sony fan here has decided that they will from now on game only F2P on their new $400+ PS4 I highly doubt that anyone will not pay for PS+ making all these "choice" arguments pointless.

Regardless you WILL be paying.

[Thegamer41]

But no one has purchased a PS4 yet, so no its not a "scam", Multiplayer on PS3 will remain free.

[MrBeatdown]

@XboxFun

"Regardless you WILL be paying."

Right... Only about half of all Live accounts are Gold.

But I guess if you pretend everyone will pay, it will help you dismiss "choice" as pointless.

I'm sure the 20+ million free XBL account holders would agree.

[Animal Mutha 76]

If true this is a bit poo...

I could almost see it being justified for the uploading part only as I guess the system might use some online space to save clips for sharing (which server space would cost money), but even then I cannot defend it really within the realms of the XBLG subscription as you can do clips already from within games such as COD.

I certainly cannot understand why the feature to record clips locally to the console for your own enjoyment or to export via a USB stick, for example, would be behind a pay wall. That's daft again if its proven to be true.

It does seem like MS is giving those of us who are interested in the new console no reason/choice to have the silver option.

Does anyone KNOW if the same feature on PS4 requires PS+? facts please not conjecture.

[akaFullMetal]

The only thing sony has behind a paywall now is online multiplayer.
Everything else can be used without paying for psplus, such as , netflix, web broswer, cross game chat and to answer your question also recording.

[joeorc]

@akaFullMetal

As i already pointed out above that is not completely true.

"The only thing sony has behind a paywall now is online multiplayer"

even Than, there is still online multi-player games on the ps4 that is not behind a payway with ps+ requirement, So its still not for every game on the PS4 for online multi-player being PS+ required. so there will still be free online multi-player game even on the PS4.

[JamieL]

@ joeorc
Above you are telling someone that they are "just grasping at straws" yet your argument sounds like because a few free-to-play games on the PS4 don't require plus to play online, it somehow puts Sony's new pay for MP in a better class than Live or something. I don't understand your point, so because the free-to-play games are actually free to play, that makes the fact you do have to pay for MP for most games on the PS4 obsolete? So, a few games exist that you can play online for free, and that allows someone to claim “you still don’t HAVE to pay a subscription fee to play online on the PS4”? I think your argument is the very definition of "grasping at straws".

[joeorc]

@JamieL

"Above you are telling someone that they are "just grasping at straws" yet your argument sounds like because a few free-to-play games on the PS4 don't require plus to play online, it somehow puts Sony's new pay for MP in a better class than Live or something."

where in the blue hell did i say it was in a better class than live or something? That's because i did not say any thing like that.

again

" I don't understand your point, so because the free-to-play games are actually free to play, that makes the fact you do have to pay for MP for most games on the PS4 obsolete?"

where again did i say the pay wall multi-player is OBsolete? you and it seems other's are looking at this as " well Sony is Requireing PS+ in order to play Multi-player on the PS4 and that is in of itself not completely true!

you cannot have it both way's, you cannot say well Sony is forcing online pay for Multi-player games on the PS4 , when there is yet a option to play on the PS4 "ONLINE MULTI-PLAYER" THAT IS COMPLETELY FREE.

DOES MICROSOFT DO THAT? that answer is a no!

and than again

XboxFun

"@Joeorc
, please provide a link that multi player games are still free to play on PS4. "

Oh bloody Hell, just because a free to play multi-player games is not freaking call of duty or other such pay wall multi-player does not mean i have to pay for Online Multi-player in order to play an online multi-player game on the PS4. that is the freaking point just because there is another option i can choose to play those multi-player and every thing else single player if i choose to do so, unlike Microsoft you do have to pay to play Multi-player you do need Gold! to even play any multi-player online game.

that is the point they are not the freaking same so why is it when many of the same people that know for a fact that THE PS4 will indeed have free online multi-player games on the ps4 try to act and convince everyone like there is no such option on the PS4 other than line multi-player game's pay to play for your game console n, and try to make it out to be like Microsoft.

when there is no online multi-player option on Microsoft with out gold" subscription.

again:

"Now unless every sony fan here has decided that they will from now on game only F2P on their new $400+ PS4 I highly doubt that anyone will not pay for PS+ making all these "choice" arguments pointless.

Regardless you WILL be paying."

no that's if you choose to do so!

I still do not have to pay to play online multi-player on the PS4. i have an option to choose just free to play multi-player if i choose to do so.

i can still game on PC, wii, ps3, my PSVita for free, i do not have to, just like no one has to play online with the xboxone or the PS4.

The truth of the matter is i can play warframe, DCuniverse and planetside 2 for FREE multi-player on the PS4 WITHOUT NEEDING PS+

"I highly doubt that anyone will not pay for PS+ making all these "choice" arguments pointless.Regardless you WILL be paying."

HOW IS IT FREAKING POINTLESS? you think Sony is just going to stop making free to play multi-player games on the PS4 ? past just those 3?

Sony does indeed know free to play is a market viability that is doing very well, just look at playstation Home and how much it generates in $$.

the blunt truth is you will still be able to play online multi-player games on the playstation 4 without needing ps+.

that is the truth.

[XboxFun]

@joerc

You are desperately trying way too hard to make it sound like anyone will purchase a PS4 just to play the free to play games. This is where the "grasping" part comes in.

It may be truth that Sony will offer free to play games and those games won't be behind a pay wall but the FACT of the matter is no one will buy a PS4 at 400 dollars and some change to just do that. You will be paying for PS+ to get the most out of that system and if that service includes the free games plus possibly Gaikai then you there is no doubt about it.

This is what everyone seems to be trying to tell you. No one is debating that there isn't a choice with the PS4 we are disagreeing with you trying to pass off that there will be this huge influx of free quality multiplayer games outside of the paywall. That anyone will be purchasing a PS4 JUST to play F2P games.

And lets not forget that the whole F2P only means it's free to an extent. Somewhere down the line you will be paying for something. F2P is set up in a way to monetize it's best feature.

[JamieL]

I still say you're grasping hard.

[RytGear]

I don't think that they have said specifically, but they have said that only online multiplayer is hidden behind PS Plus so it would be a good assumption to say that the capture features wont be behind a paywall.

(Sorry I don't have any cold hard facts)

[Animal Mutha 76]

Cheers RytG

I didn't think they had specifically either but was hoping someone would throw a link at me to put the matter to rest and to add some balance to the discussion.

I guess we would be a bit foolish to lambast MS too much at this stage then when we don't have the full picture on the Sony offering, although it does appear they are going down a more perceived 'generous' route in terms of what they put (or don't put) behind the wall.

Reality is most of the people on here who cry havok at the bonus features of consoles being behind a pay wall will still be paying the subs anyway to use online mp so the difference to most is going to be nothing except the tiny minority who don't/never play online mp and only want to use netflix etc.

[gnothe1]

Come on guys...lets look at these two company financial situation. ...MS is one of the richest companies IN THE WORLD. ...sony on the other hand is in a financial strain...MS didn't get this way buy GIVING SHIT AWAY....if your not an online connected paying customer MS doesn't care about you..lets be honest..this is the reason why sony is soon to follow this same approach. ..if you wanna access the best we have to offer YOUR GONNA HAVE TO PAY...sony couldn't charge for PSN this gen because the system was bare so they decided to give away free games as a perk to pay...MS didn't feel the need...Now that the free games deal looks good MS had to do the same thing to a extent...long story short..all sony said was not behind the pay wall was netflix an a few free to play games..which sll could change in the future

[FlunkinMonkey]

Sony is only in financial trouble with regards to its hardware divisions, its entertainment divisions are actually doing very well, so none of what you said makes any sense..

Your use of capital letters are EXTREMELY IRRITATING.

[gnothe1]

Flunkinmonkey...the only sony division that's making money is the Movie division... the electronics division (tv's etc) is hurting. .the playstation division (ps3 an r&d of ps4) is hurting an its dragging down the total profits of SONY...So sony has to find more ways to increase revenue...MS makes SOO MUCH money off windows an now the xbox an xbl they can can afford to take a hit on profit...don't forget sony had to sell some properties an lay off some people just to manage budget...so wether you agree or not..MS is in a much stronger position finiancially than sony BECAUSE of the we they operate their business models. .

[FlunkinMonkey]

What are you talking about? Care to actually back this up with some references?

As i said yes the hardware divisions (Tv's etc) are at a loss and failing to compete with the likes of Samsung, but the Playstation brand is doing well, and actually helping Sony through their current troubles. The Playstation department is all that's important when reflecting on your comments.

http://uk.gamespot.com/news...

http://uk.gamespot.com/news...

http://www.gamasutra.com/vi...

Most of these are reports from 2011, which is before the current situation where the PS3 is outselling the 360 globally (likely more profit).

Where are YOUR links to how the Playstation brand is DRAGGING Sony DOWN???

[JamieL]

@ FlunkinMonkey
You live in lala land homie. gnothe1 was talking about Sony and MS as companies, and he couldn't be more right, and you couldn't be more delusional. Here these are for you, this is Sony last year,
http://www.engadget.com/201...

That's $458 million dollars profit last year, and by the way it is the first time in 8 years they've even made a profit at all. That doesn't sound very good, taking into account all the selling of assets and layoffs it took to turn a profit Now let’s see what MS did the same year.
http://www.wikinvest.com/st...

Wow $59.16 BILLION. Is that more than $458 million? So, too you that shows Sony doing better? To you it looks like Sony can take more strain in any division? Stop acting like Sony needs you to defend their honor and make up lie's just to make you and your crew feel better. What gnothe1 said was spot on, whether you like it or not.

edit: I also didn't see were he said " the Playstation brand is DRAGGING Sony DOWN"

[FlunkinMonkey]

Are you some kind of idiot 'homie'? Where exactly did i say Sony were doing BETTER than Microsoft financially?? That's not my argument, it is easy to identify that MS are making more profit than Sony, i was merely saying that their Playstation division wasn't the main issue, and that directly relates to his issues with charging online.

Wow, if anyone is looking wildly defensive it's you Jamie, sort it out mate.. You're getting a bit hot under the collar there, might blow a gasket. 'My crew', are you 5 years old?

"edit: I also didn't see were he said " the Playstation brand is DRAGGING Sony DOWN"" you couldn't see it? Open your eyes buddy:

"the playstation division (ps3 an r&d of ps4) is hurting an its dragging down the total profits of SONY..." - gnothe1

I still have my 360 at home you ignorant buffoon.. Completely read into this convo wrongly and decided to go wildly defensive. Shut up and sit down.

[JamieL]

Well you are here defending them like it's your mama, you pathetic joke.
" but the Playstation brand is doing well, and actually helping Sony through their current troubles"
http://www.joystiq.com/2012...
http://venturebeat.com/2012...
http://www.gameinformer.com...
http://www.gamesindustry.bi...
Yea thats all from last year so I still say you are full of $hit and make up your own reality, and it's a good delusion for this site because everyone here will back you up even though youy are DEAD wrong. I think this shows how "awesome" the gaming division is doing.

Edit: I will "Shut up and sit down" as soon as you go "kill yo self".

[Animal Mutha 76]

FlunkinMonkey's reply is right but the essence of what you are saying gnothe1 I agree with.

MS know how to create, nurture and grow revenue streams outside of the traditional hardware box and game license fees.

They have been very clever with live over the years and must be doing something right as so many people pay for it quite happily.

I always said that Sony would introduce a paid online model this gen and I got shot down for it on numerous occasions by the 'Sony love and reward their customers' brigade - and low and behold they have with minor differences.

They can see the bucket loads of cash that MS are making and want a part of that. They are a business first and foremost, answerable to shareholders, and want to generate cash flow from their users as much as any large multi.

Having seen MS create a new subscriber business model:

Would Apple do any different If they had an iConsole?
Would Google?
Would Amazon?
Would Sony?

No they wouldn't.

I don't like a paid online any more than the next gamer but MS have got away with it and proven its viable and that's just the way it is and is going to be unless we all stop playing consoles.

[sly-Famous]

LOL, dude, you have to do some research first, before posting silly comments and stating them as fact.

[cybervike]

I've always hated that I can't watch Netflix via Xbox without having to pay for Gold. I don't have that restriction on the PS3. I prefer Netflix on PS3 anyway but it's the principle of the matter.

[sarcastoid]

Loving the "I already have Gold so it's not an issue" arguments. That'd be like me saying "why is everyone upset gas is going up? I can afford it... it's no big deal."

[sashimi]

Those must be the same kind of people who don't mind Apple price fixing ebooks forcing a rise in prices for no reason but greed without regard for the consumers.

[manchesterman22]

I always have gold membership so i couldnt give a toss about the cheap bastards thats are silver members

[sashimi]

If thats your attitude towards your gaming community than get ready for your console of choice to be in last place again and this time by a huge margin. I for one welcome your silver members to the playstation family where offline and online gamers are welcome and treated fairly.

[manchesterman22]

good for you, the cheapskates are more than welcome to sod off the the playstation, i will have both anyway as i did last time, the ps for its exclusives and the xbox for online because if the online on the ps is anywhere near as bad as on the ps3 i will certainly not be playing it online, if people want to play online on the xbox then they will have to pay. The free options just allow more and more annoying kids the opportunity to get online so anything that limits them is good for me and the people i play online with.

[jessupj]

Wow. It's gamers like you that are a cancer on the industry.

PSN is just as adequate as XBL and even more so because most sony 1st party games have dedicated servers. Anyone that says otherwise is living in denial.

And please don't buy a PS4. I don't want people like you ruining my online gaming experience.

[Darkfist]

will will will

[first1NFANTRY]

OUCH! that's sad to know. I hope Sony doesn't follow suit. This feature is something i'm looking forward to using. I live far from my big bro and we plan on sharing ingame moments of our drifting abilities in upcoming driving games.

[Mkai28]

Well it's safe to say Sony's way is to counterattack whatever $M does to make there platform a better and more convenient experience .. It's somewhat like chess..

[dazzrazz]

Basically Microsoft will hide every function of this console besides being able to play game and look at the achievements behind paywall which is fucking ridiculous, especially when it comes to services like Netflix... they don't even use M$ servers for streaming at all 0_o.

[Mkai28]

Wha, WHAT!!!! I, I, Im cool..

[Funantic1]

Ok this was common sense. Of course you need gold membership or how else would you share your videos. Are you going to watch yourself play? Since people want to point out the obvious then I tell you another bad thing about the Xbox One. You can't play the Xbox One unless you have electricity.

[Gaming_Guru]

XBOX Live and internet are two separate things, I can be connected to the internet but not signed in for example, an iPhone app.

[Funantic1]

Yeah that was common sense like a said. It's just that people are pointing out the obvious.

[ceed911]

Fake outrage from people who already hate Microsoft on here, pretty intense.

How this is a "restriction" is beyond me. If anything Microsoft is GIVING you a new feature for being a gold member. It's all about the perspective, and on n4g the perspective is always MICROSOFT IS EVIL.

[strigoi814]

Next microsoft surprise is..the return of DRM(maybe after a couple of days after release)

[B1uBurneR]

I'm starting to think MS is limited to common sense. They should restrict themselves from doing stupid stuff like this. This is a messed up move by MS. But I'll still choose to purchase this next gen system first. Because of kinect. I'm already a live member and been one since Halo2 Launch. *shurgs*

[ElementX]

Why are people so upset? Most Xbox online features require a Gold account. It shouldn't be a surprise to anybody.

If you're not subscribing to Live I'm guessing you don't play multiplayer, don't care much about social media, and probabaly wouldn't be interested in recording videos to upload anyway.

[Hicken]

Something expected can still be a disappointment.

I expect you and Funantic1 and the rest to defend whatever MS does. That doesn't mean I'm not saddened by your lack of good judgement every time it happens.

Your guesses are pretty silly. So all the people with only a PS3 or Wii (or Wii U, Vita, or 3DS, for that matter) don't play multiplayer? They don't care about social media or recording gameplay videos? What's that logic based on? Air?

[r21]

Oh what the frack MS, you were on the way to becoming cool. Changing your policies to appease your gamers. Thats a feature that everyone, gold or no gold, should have. They're essentially locking out a hardware feature :l

[Gaming_Guru]

They can't even throw you a bone, I understand a company wants to create incentives for subscriptions but the DVR feature should be free. What's next, messaging on XBOX is retricted to Live members only?

[christocolus]

If you don't have live then you probably do not have an internet connection and if you do not have an internet connection then most likely you wouldn't need to edit or upload videos but never the less i feel ms should have made this available to all live members.

[solidworm]

wont affect me as I'm not being seen dead with an XBONE.

[urwifeminder]

I have not payed for live for a while as I moved to pc but will be back on when xbox one drops will check out all the new features.

[hazelamy]

another point in the cons column.
this pro/cons list is looking decidedly lopsided.
even after the removal of the drm.

[corvusmd]

All I want to know is can I turn this feature off. It's only for little kids that want to show their cheap stupid tactics and flood YouTube with garbage videos. If you want to make a quality walkthrough, then 15 minutes (PS4) isn't enough time, and if you're showing an achievement then 5 Mintues is usually way too much....so you'd still need the external gaming DVRs which only XB1 supports (PS4 has said they will not support external DVRs again, just like on PS3) if you wish to make a quality walkthrough...which is the only legit reason to use this feature...other than that it just feeds tiny egos, wastes space, and eats up processing. I'm sure Sony will make you pay to use this retarded feature too, even if not, if you are any sort of an online gamer, you'll have XBL. If you only want to make ego-boosting single player videos, have fun on PS4 with your 15 minutes of fame.

[AceBlazer13]

so tell me have you ever played on psn? or do u just go by wat u hear?

[vigilante_man]

I will use the share option primarily for single player campaigns to show off those hard boss fights or to show a mate how I beat a part of the game in my own style.

Or even just to show off my favourite games or just for keepsakes.

So putting everything behind a pay wall is really a bad call but as long as people do not complain then it will stay that way.

Come on all you XB1 fans. Get together and campaign for more internet access without subscription. We have all seen what can happen these past few months when gamers stick together..

[corvusmd]

You can still do all that on XB1 ...and as far as Internet capabilities, XB1 has PSN beat hands down...they shouldn't even be mentioned in the same articles most of the time. Just cause in a few cases you can do things offline on PS4 that you can't do offline with XBL doesn't make a real difference, esp since everyone with an XB1 will want XBL, and most PS4 owners will also pay for PS+, this is just another straw grasping argument from PS fanboys, that in the end really means nothing...just trying to find a reason to hate XB1...and like all the other reasons it's hollow. Although I will concede that out of the two systems, PS4 is the one where it's much easier to skip the paid online service and still get the same experience, so maybe Sony knows it's cheap customers better than we thought.

[vigilante_man]

Are you in dream land?

"Everyone who owns a XB1 will want XBLive.."

What choice do they have? Everyone wants to pay £40-£50 a year just for fun?

If you actually took the time to read and digest what I was saying then you will have understood I was referring to the daft MS decision to put Free-to-play games, netflix/Lovefilm, and DVR footage behind the pay wall when Sony allows those things for free.

Free, gratis, no charge. Now do you understand?

The more people who just sit there and take it - like you - the more companies will do what they want. Remember DRM? To re-iterate, all it takes is for those wanting to buy XB1 to get some sort of petition together regarding free services. MS are in a 180-frame of mind. It could happen. Don't settle.

[corvusmd]

So.....PS Fanboys are trying to jump all over a feature that allows you to save and upload videos online, but then are shocked and appalled that you need online to do it. Yup that sounds like PS Fanboy logic...way to go. You're right this a negative thing for the XB1, now it is doomed...all those people that want to save 15 minute videos and just watch themselves over and over and over offline will be so much happier on PS4. Don't forget, this article just says you can't upload the videos....you can still record them. PS Fanboys are REALLY grasping at straws for reasons to hate the XB1...so stupid. If you are an ACTUAL gamer and enjoy online gameplay, you will have an XBL account...don't kid yourself.

[cell989]

so if youre an actual gamer, its ok to get charged for everything?

[AceBlazer13]

yh i can watch them offline or jack in my ethernet cable and upload them its called choice :p something xbox owners dont have much of

[RedTfox]

All i can say about it is.... HAHAHAHA
MS are the funnier company in the world

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Not a surpise in the least given details about the game clips being stored on cloud storage. If you don't want to use this option you can always just use a game DVR device as you do today on the 360.

[Donnyskillz]

wait a minute, i firmly remember that when it was announced that the sony multiplayer was gonna be a paid service...all i heard from people that were gonna buy a playstation 4 was...."oh well i have PS+ anyway so it doesnt matter to me" now this is a big deal because you have to have gold,...ya'll some funny dudes.i swear i try to have a open mind and say that this site will get better...never gonna happen lol

[D-ROB]

I did not expect anything less from the capitalist that goes by the name Microsoft. Keep your Xbone, I rather have value and quality for money....really do not fancy the RROD on Xbone now they squeezed all the power out of their CPU that they could, and you're still miles behind PS4...

[Xsilvermist]

So u have to pay to use a free service hmmmmmm thats odd.

[GraveLord]

Of course it is. Why is this news?

Here, I'll write the next article on N4G. "They sky is blue"

[isarai]

Not surprised by this move, but i am surprised that MS keeps finding ways to be more blatantly greedy, and how much fanboys are willing to put up with for the sake of brand loyalty

[Sphynxx]

you guys are such a group of fails its beyond me.. You complain about everything, on these next gen consoles if you dont have a subscription to Live or Plus you are doing something wrong.. Xbox is offering 300,000 servers of high quality online gaming to make it the best experience. Complain about 60 bucks a year? really?

[isarai]

The point is you shouldn't have to pay for it at all, you don't have to on steam/PC and that works leagues better than the majority of the console counterparts. also those servers don't mean shit for online play as that solely depends on what servers the publishers decide to go with, not MS

[cell989]

you mean "virtual servers" you still believe every number that MS throws down at you, I bet you anything its more like 50,000 virtual servers, who is going to count them all, MS can make up any number purely for marketing purposes and no one can prove them wrong. By now you should know how much MS likes to promise to get you to pay what they want

[cell989]

the perfect example of how MS works, their logic: a fee for every service, even if its not costing us anything, make money off of the hardcore.

[Sphynxx]

actually no, literally everything is based on the LIVE fee which is 60 bucks a year. So calm down there fruitcup

[cell989]

no it must be said

[Funnymonkey013]

More the reason not to get the shitty X1 really MS just Luvs being hated on dont they. they restricted so many stuff that its really pointless to get the X1 if ur aren't planning to get gold. Otherwise get PS4 as the only thing u cannot do without paying is MP everything else is completely free to ur joy. PS4 has already won this gen with how Sony is treating people they aren't dumb shit bastards like MS that Luvs to screw people off with as much restricted content as possible if ur aren't paying. Everything about the X1 is a failer and can't believe how MS made them self look like greedy bitches I hope ms gets the worst company of 2013 cause they deserve it.

[denawayne]

Anybody have a 360 connected to the internet and not have Gold?

[isarai]

plenty

[Sphynxx]

lies people HAVE the xbox 360 because LIVE destroys any online play PSN offers.

[cell989]

how exactly does Live destroy PSN? whats so special about playing multiplayer on LIVE over PSN? you mean the ads? or the loudmouthed children that lurk in there? cross game chat? really? thats worth $60 a month

[PaperMan]

Can't really complain, I want something for my gold membership. Not a surprise really either.

Just likely Sony charging for online play, this isn't nothing major to me as I'm purchasing the premium service anyway.

[Master-H]

For some strange reason i keep imagining MS as that black drug dealer guy in Vice City that says "Thanks for the money sucker" lolz

[FRAKISTAN]

here you go bro

http://i427.photobucket.com...

[geeniusgee602]

what a joke!

[AceBlazer13]

does anyone care? if some people are willing to pay for the xbone does it come as a surprise that they're willing to throw money at microsoft at any given moment ? i say let them spend their money

[koolaid251]

I've had xbox live for 10 years so I won't notice it at all lol.

[LogicStomper]

Ssh, don't spoil the fun for them fanboys. Let them assume that no one has an internet connection or Xbox Live.

[BlackBeardGames]

Good there is going to be enough shitty footage floating around. I think this feature should be taken out completely.

[jackanderson1985]

this "news" has been up since the reveal when they listed the "benefits" of being on Gold... it's been on the xbox site since May 21st why has it all of a sudden become the newest piece of news against the xbox one?

[FRAKISTAN]

HAHAHAHAh Surprise,Surprise , Really who didn't see that coming?

Pay microsft for the oh so Glorious 7 min of gameplay recording.

Microsft has stooped so low, still continuing with the trend of doing a lame ass job making the xbox one more like the PS4 and xbox live more like PS Plus.they should have continued with the trend and maybe they would have redeemed themselves a respectable second place in the next generation just like in the current generation.

But this should not come as a surprise as the same guys asked for money in the current gen for features such as facebook,twitter,netflix,onlin e gaming which Sony provided free of charge.

Pathetic,Shame on Microsoft and the Bots of N4G that support them

[oscarcat59]

I hope Sony makes money somewhere. The only business they have making anything is their insurance division as I understand it. Maybe Microsoft will buy Sony with pocket change and end this silly console war. Mmmmm second thought Microsoft does like profits and Sony does not maybe a bad ideal lol

[Funnymonkey013]

Stop drinking sir:)

[TheUndertaker85]

Well duh. This has been known for some time, even official before these "gaming journalists" started reporting it. Seriously. This has been official since the end of April/beginning of May.

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/l...

Things like Netfix, Hulu, and Skype will require Gold as well.

[oscarcat59]

I see no issue. I bet most will not use the game recording feature and I have no interest in it. As for services being behind a paywall as long as the service is good what is wrong for paying for it. Never knew people thought everything in life is free. If you don't like it or wish to pay for it don't. Don't you just love free will and choice.

[beebap]

With ms there is no choice if ya want one feature you have to pay for it all.
Also I think you will be surprised on reasons for recording sp games like say, funny or annoying glitch or bug, funny dialogue in part of game, secret areas/weapons easter eggs. Showing off your character you have created or car paint job.I will be more interested in showing to my friends than whole internet.

[ehandlr]

People don't mind paying for added service but this is removing services that should be static and free and making you pay to unlock them.

[ghostrider32]

Oh the fuckery.

[_FantasmA_]

And here come the Xbots to argue why being charged for everything is a good thing. You people are being tricked. Paying for something makes dump people think that what they are getting is better. Just like when people buy 100 dollar shirts, they thinks its better than a 10 dollar shirt.

[SynestheticRoar]

Microsoft why? I thought we were friends.

[alb1899]

i dont see the big deal!
almost everybody who buys an Xbox likes live.....so what!!!