Indies react to Xbox One self-publishing policy change

Shack News: "Microsoft will now allow indie game developers to self-publish their titles on Xbox One, a reversal of their previous policy. To find out how the indie world is reacting, we reached out to several developers."

[majiebeast]

"Dant Rambo"

Coolest name ever?

[Pope_Kaz_Hirai_II]

Microsoft doing it for the gamers..what a company.. cant wait to get my 4 pre ordered xb1, s one for each room.

[GhostTurtle]

I call horse ****. M$ isnt doing it for you or any other gamer out there. They're doing it b/c they pretty much have to. Sony has had the upper leg for a while. MS is constantly doing the little things to try and keep up, and its not for the gamers. DMR, the used game bull ****. If it was for the gamers it would have never been there in the first place....

[Cuzzo63]

All the indie devs should thank Sony for paving the way for Micro. Without the good sportsmanship Micro had to give in... Xbox gamers should also thank Sony for not implementing that horrible Drm thing. If not for Sony..... Naaaa they will still say it was the greatest gift ever

I know I know. Here comes the disagrees and the down bubbles. Lol

[Fireseed]

Does Desura, Steam, or PC get any credit for paving the way cause I'm pretty they've been doing it WAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY longer.

[Bladesfist]

@Fireseed Facts only count if they make Sony look good.

[Cuzzo63]

Lol... Yea. But this is a thread about consoles not the pc. Look. Without the pc we wouldnt have consoles. I never said anything about pc or steam or how Sony did the pc justice. Come on guys stay with me. I jus love how the fanboys on all sides flood me with obvious facts. I just love seeing the fannies fan.
@Bladefist
Hey I know the pc is the all powerful wizard of oz but as I stated, this is a console thread. Sony Ps4 Micro Xb1. Its funny how I bring out all the fannies lol.

[Bladesfist]

@Cuzzo63 Actually the thread is about the Xbox One. You brought up the PS4 and so we brought up the PC.

[ainsleyharriott]

@Cuzzo63 Forgotten about XBLIG?

[Cuzzo63]

Geez. Okay. Even tho Xb1 is still a what.... Dun dun duuuuun.... HOME CONSOLE! And this publishing ordeal has been goin on with what... Dun dun duuuun.... The Xb1, formally known as a console. Once again as I stated... I dont care about steam, Xblig or what ever its called. It still has nothing to do with the Pc. Since Nintendo and Sony was named in the article, I felt the need to say consoles since the article is referencing them also... Calm down Pcssies and undercover Xbots (no disrespect to real xbox fans). By the way.... Wtf is Xblig. Is that a feature for the Xb1... I need to look that up. Lol

[blackmagic]

@Cuzzo
The point that everyone is making and that you aren't seeing yet is Sony and Microsoft didn't pave anything. The indie movement started as a two track horse buggy path on pc and developed into a major multi-laned super highway MANY years before Sony or Microsoft did anything. Sony and Microsoft, at best, have built little side roads off of it.

[Cuzzo63]

Ohhh my God!
@BlackMagic.

I wasnt in anyway downplaying steam or anyother service. This article is talkimg about indie support on consoles and the reversal of Micros policies. My comments have nothing to do with where it all started. All I said was due to Sony's stance and support of indies that Micro has now followed suit to benefit them also. The same goes for everyth8ng else they changed. I dont kno where I said without sony paved the way for indies to thrive on all platforms or anything of that nature. Sony paved the way for Micro to get with the program and stop being douche bags about things. Am I missing something? Did I say somerhing wrong... Can anybody chime in on this because im lost. I still dont understand how im getting all these "you are wrong. Pc started it" when all I said was Sony forced Micro to change their stance on alot of issues. Thought I would get disagrees from Micro fanboys not the Pc crowd. When a article is console based and has nothing to do with bashing Pc, they always com in defending the pc like it was about that platform... maybe I was misinterpreted or maybe some jus cant help themselves. I dont kno man

[blackmagic]

@Cuzzo
The incorrect assumption you are making is that Micro changed their policies because of Sony and we all have to be thankful to Sony because of it.

Sony has set it's policies and Microsoft is being forced to change it's policies because of the freedoms that indie devs have in the pc world. Too many restrictions, rules and regulations and the indie devs simply don't bother.

[mp1289]

Following in the ps4's footsteps is good for the Industry and for the xbox one.

[BX81]

@babyleg. There is no possible way you typed what you just did and thought anyone would take you seriously. Grow up kid, it's just a console.

[demonddel]

I understand dude thats how annoying ya lil bastards is just make a person wanna flip out on one of y'all most times I laugh when I read these comments but other times I wish I can slap the piss out one of these lil kids extreme fan boys need to fall back a little

[adorie]

Just report as spam and move on.
I feel a cloud of stupidity looming from merely have had read his or her comment. That's putting it very lightly too.

[shoddy]

Playing catch up

[Reverent]

Catch up or not, it was a great decision that's going to bring them support.

[Geezus]

i would assume some are still mad with MS but you got to think alot more are happy with the xbox getting self- publishin. devs would make way more money by going multiplat with their games than by just sticking with one console and by expanding their audience they can gain prestige and notoriety

[imdaboss1]

MS have drm who would buy games on there..it can return any time

[HolyDuck]

XB1 Doesn't have DRM either?!

They removed that just after E3 if I recall.

[IcicleTrepan]

Right.. they'll put it back in so that they can immediately stop selling consoles since nobody will buy them again. Do you live in BC because I think you're on shrooms again.

[Killa78]

Seems a little too late now. They shot themselves in the foot the moment they thought gamers would accept their draconian policies.

[InMyOpinion]

To be fair, how can it be too late when the console isn't even out yet??

[Hicken]

Their image is tarnished. Lots of people still think they plan on having the DRM. How long will it take before word gets out to everyone that that policy has been changed?

[No_Limit]

@Hicken,

Dude, just stop trolling. The system isn't released yet and won't be for another 4 months. It is never too late if you are a fan of the Xbox , these reversals only means that they are serious and are listening to gamers and developers. Sony supporters like yourself that aren't getting the system regardless just spout out these usual nonsense as usual. Please, stop spamming MS news with your garbage.

[baodeus]

@hicken

So when Ms said they implement DRM, the new spread fast and everyone knew about it. But when they remove it, some how that news didnt go anywhere and many still didnt know about it? You don't see anything wrong with that mentality that people have?

1. Do people only like bad news?
2. Are people really that ignorant that they can't acknowledge anything beside their own preference?

[Mkai28]

Well, the consoles haven't come out yet.. So how can it be too late? These consoles will be supported maybe ten to twelve years..
@megaton, do you say that when you buy your mandatory camera on your phone, or how about that dreadful laptop cam? Do you put tape on your ipad device? What else will you find wrong if they reverse the kinect camera?

[4logpc]

Im so sick of next gen already.

Even when Indies are getting amazingly well treatment vs last gen, they still want to complain...When did they become all high and mighty.

All I know is Im gonna play some freaking video games come this November, and I really dont care if they came from indie or AAA...if they are fun...then I will play them.

[GameCents]

More games incoming. That there is the bottom line.
PS4 fans can console themselves by saying it is following. in the PS4 footsteps as an attempt at dampening the mood but the fact remains that this is an incredibly good thing.

One less negative against the one is one more positive towards gaming and as a gamer, this pleases me.

OneEighty continues to improve. Next up, more games and features at GamesCon.

[IcicleTrepan]

IKR.. An article I read said that they are going to be following a plan similar to Apple's for their app store. only on this site does that translate to ZOMG they're copying Sony. Sony who stole touchpad from Ouya, and speaker in joypad from Wii/Wii U.

I personally don't care because everyone takes from each other and builds a unique product, this is how things evolve in any industry. But for these people to single out any one company and act like they're horrible for doing what every company does is pathetic.

[Megaton]

They just need to drop mandatory Kinect and they'll have a neat little console on their hands.

[GameCents]

I disagree. Kinect being part of the package means more incentive for developers to put content in their games that will enhance gaming experiences.

Also, I want next gen to mean more than just shiny graphics and Kinect is a big part of that, especially where other media entertainment is concerned. I vote for Kinect to stay.

[n4rc]

Me too..

[Megaton]

Nice try, Mattrick. You can't fool me.

[Hicken]

What incentive do they have?

[lgn15]

Screw you and dropping kinect dude. You get a peripheral worth as much as the console (xbox dev said it costs as much as the console to make) included in the price.

I guess I'm the only one that is ready to change it up and push my gaming to the limits. It's the future buddy, gaming is past just a controller and a t.v.

It's not gunna be like that for the next hundred years so stop being a pussy and open up your mind to the advantages of kinect.

BTW, have you even considered kinect being the first step to truly next gen gaming? If MS acquired Oculus Rift (and if it came down to a bidding war between Sony and MS we all know who has the upper hand money wise, sorry) then kinect plus rift would be fucking UNBELIEVABLE.

[Megaton]

Save some Kool Aid for everybody else.

BTW, I was really only referring to it being mandatory to have the stupid thing plugged into the console for it to function. I don't care whether or not it comes with the XB1. I just want to be able to leave it in the box and never look at it again.

[Pope_Kaz_Hirai_II]

Kinect is probably the best thing to happen gaming since microsoft... I hope there is never an xb1 without kinect.

[Urusernamesucks]

Its rummored to be dropped next year along with a dramatic price drop, so dont worry.

[Bigpappy]

Most of them make stuff I would have played 15 yrs ago. I have mixed feeling about letting them self publish. I like that it helps them be free to push their own creative ideas and could lead to new types of games coming to the industry. But that is so rare that I think having them do this on PC is enough. When they can get enough attention there then have them bring the games to console. I don't want clutter to dig through. I want easy access to the best stuff.

[DragonPs4]

No matter what MS does at this point they still wont be able to catch up to Sony.

Sony done a lot right from the start and Microsoft was confused.

[Urusernamesucks]

All of that is irrelevant now because ms is learning and taking the right path.

[RytGear]

You mean Sony's path...

[Urusernamesucks]

Sure, what ever helps sonny.

[maniacmayhem]

Excellent, this was my biggest complaint (after the DRM) about MS and their handling of Indie developers. There was no way they would let Sony and Nintendo let devs self publish and them not.

Good job MS, but seriously, why couldn't this be done on day one? this should have been with the X1 announcement. At least that would have taken some of the flack of your whole DRM push.

[The_Sneauxman]

My only fear with all these new policy changes and additions that Microsoft is doing, is that it seems a bit rushed but they seem to be gaining ground. I would like to see great self-published stuff from this. Hopefully MS has more surprises coming up at Gamescom.

[SEAN1617]

I am sorry but here is my philosophy.

If I went to a place that serves amazing eggs and bacon every day, from day one, while another place told me, " You know eggs and bacon is really not our thing."

Then why would I go to them when they suddenly say, "hey guess what, we have eggs!" , then a little later they say, "hey guess what, we have bacon." because at that
point all I can tell them is, "thanks mate but I am full already."

[RytGear]

Plus bubble for a very good analogy

[unicron7]

Exactly. This news is just funny to me. I just wanna say "Get back to me when MS is doing something original and not following Sony's lead." I honestly can't believe people are even considering buying the XB1 after all this bullshit. I'll stick with Sony who's had their head on straight from day one.

[Cuthbo]

If Microsoft had come up with better policies when they announced the Xbox One, they'd realize the vast majority of people that buy consoles are gamers. That is their main market and they already had a fanbase coming into this generation. DRM was a bad move clearly, and they've rectified that. Allowing indie games to publish their own content was another big issue. I feel some of the best games of late have been mostly indie, they have a different feeling what games 'used to be'.

Most AAA titles are rushed and because they depend on being graphically astounding? With a story line to go with it and little time to perfect it. When games like Zelda ocarina of time done it so well, without giant cinematic cutscenes. The point is the gameplay was fun, the puzzles were great. Games used to make you think while enjoying an immersive atmosphere. Instead of these cutscenes and quick time events were if you don't tap a button when they want you too, you have to tap the buttons in order all over again.

There's been great indie games such as Braid, Limbo, Mark of the ninja, Shank 2, The cave, The Swapper, Dust An Elysian Tail, Trials series and so on. A lot of games have lost the feeling of just "play the game and have fun" that they used to do so easily.

Ok sorry, I'm ranting.
Back to the point, I'm glad Microsoft is finally revising horrible policies that were near anti-gaming to begin with. They in a way have only hurt themselves with early pre-orders and in my opinion back in the game. They've lost a purchase from me for the first few years because I've pre-ordered a PS4 already and plan to only have PS4/PC until Xbox One is cheap enough to get. They have changed my mind into even purchasing one and as a company making a gaming console, that's what they need to do. Not push gamers away and focus on a different/newer audience but to keep their fanbase happy to begin with.

[mac_sparrow]

Flip flip flop little Xbox One, flip flip flop it's all turned around.

Seriously though, this is better but let's wait and see the details closer to release.

[Grown Folks Talk]

People always say everything is rushed. Just because I don't tell you something until Friday, doesn't mean I thought of it on Thursday. They plan things, then choose when they will make the information public.

[ufo8mycat]

This is good news for Indie developers to get some proper exposure now, rather then being stuck in the tiny and stale PC market.

Now Indie developers get to show off their talents to a much bigger and exciting gaming market

Question is, will Microsoft stay true to this?

[Lucreto]

It is good but if every console can be used to create a game now.

If you create a Tower Defence game how will yours be different compared to the hundreds of others.

[Mkai28]

Question is, are people more interested in Ps4 articles or X1 articles? Because the response from Sony fans show they are more interested in the X1..

[baodeus]

So from the article, the indie developers don't seem to care much about fairness. They not only want self publishing (more money and they can do what they want) but they want MS to promote their game as well?

Promoting cost money and time, and since you get to self publish your own game, why don't you self promote it yourself while you are at it? yoU want someone else to promote your product but you dont want to pay for it doesn't sound fair to me.

If I publish your game, then it is my responsibility to promote it to ensure it is successful. But since I'm not and I dont get anything out of it, why should I be responsible for it and you are not?

Some of the shitz people say don't really make any sense do they?