Are the next-gen Xbox One and PlayStation 4 ‘downgrades’?

Millions upon millions of gamers around the world are crawling out of their skin waiting for Microsoft and Sony’s next-generation video game consoles to launch, but according to some plugged-in tech industry executives, the Xbox One and PlayStation 4 are actually a “downgrade.” Forbes recently spoke with executives from fabless chip makers AMD and Nvidia about the upcoming consoles set to launch ahead of the holidays this year, and both companies seem to share a common position: The Xbox One and PlayStation 4 are great machines, but they’re nothing compared to PC gaming.

[iGAM3R-VIII]

People keep saying how when you compare these consoles to a PC, they suck and PC always is better and all of that stuff. BUT in my opinion, they are not.

For example the architecture in the consoles such as the PS4 are more advanced than the PC since they have to upgrade it and alter the GPU, CPU, and other features and components. This is why the consoles actually highly differ from PC's.

It is just the way that consoles are built and set up that makes it better than the PC. They are built JUST for gaming unlike the PC.

Also there is an article saying:

"PS4′s Architecture Offers More Customisation Than PC, Says Cerny"

This shows how infact the PS4's design is better than the PS4 which makes them highly differ.

[Dobgamers]

Not only that, both consoles have "long term GPUs", and their biggest game battlefield 4 is running easily at 1080p60fps on both consoles, and that's one of their first games, imagine 2-3 years after

Witcher developer said that both consoles are like highend PCs

[iGAM3R-VIII]

Agreed, infact I hear that term a lot now, "these next-gen consoles are like high-end PC's now". And I can't disagree with them on that because they are right

[Muerte2494]

PC will always be faster than consoles because they usually release a new version of graphics cards annually. PC is all about raw power. PC brute forces most games running with very little need for optimization. But PC gamers thinking that they can build a budget PC matching the performance of consoles are insane. A PC, and I repeat, cannot beat consoles in price/performance. Anything you're throwing out there is only theoretical and cannot be proven.

[iGAM3R-VIII]

@above agreed, the price to power ratio is better on a console than a PC

[Computersaysno]

Battlefield 4 confirmed as native 1080p on both consoles?

That's news to me. In fact all we have heard is unconfirmed reports that it would be 720p. When they say it'll actually be 1080p native on both machines come back please?

I want to see the line in the press/interview that says Battlefield 4 will be native 1080p. Not 'aiming' or 'targeting'- direct confirmation.

These consoles are not like high end PCs. A high end PC has a GPU and a CPU at least twice as fast as what is in either console.

This wasn't possible when Xbox 360 launched. Xbox 360 WAS like a high end PC in 2005. Its GPU performance was comparable to a high end PC card that would have cost at least £250. PC hardware twice as fast didn't even exist- but it does already compared to PS4/Xbone and these consoles aint even launched yet.

These next gen machines are using less than cutting edge hardware compared to consoles from generations past. You can buy a GPU far faster and advanced than those in PS4/Xbone, something you couldn't do when X360 launched.

PC hardware will always be more expensive for the same performance. But you can hand pick your own components. Bonus.

PC games will always be cheaper than console games though. Next gen games are looking more expensive than ever before. These consoles also REQUIRE you to pay for online. There is no escaping this.

Overall lifetime cost the gap is not nearly as much as some people would like you to believe.

PC = expensive hardware
Consoles = more expensive running cost

Saying that, Microsoft want 429 quid for their new console here, 40 quid to play online, and 50 quid for a launch game it seems.

You're stumping up over 500 quid to play one game on that console initially. Spending 800 quid on a decent gaming PC seems pretty decent value this day and age considering that!

[christian hour]

Its funny, it's like the guy that wrote this article just discovered what a PC is and in his excitement passed over some very important details.

Games made on PC have to be optimized to work on a vast variation of CPU's and GPU's etc.

The innards of a console does not change during it's lifespan (though smaller variations will release over time)so a dev can focus on its game knowing that the hardware in every ps4 or xboxone will be the same, so they can squeeze as much out of the hardware as possible.

What this essentially means is we are going to see graphic fidelity on nex gen consoles that we havent seen much of on PCs yet, and that mainly comes down to lowest common denominator.

The video game climate is too risky to develop for just one console or just on pc, so a lot of games that have been on pc/360/ps3 has been made with the weakest console in mind, with little graphical features turned on here and there for PC (better lighting, AA, render distance etc).

Even PC exclusives, although amazing looking, aren't as good as they can be if you have a 3gb gpu and 16gb ram and an i7. investing in new technology before its become the norm can be pricey, and again no devs are willing to take that risk, not since Crysis in 2005/2006? (when did that come out again? :P )

With nex gen the PC "master race" will finally be free of the shackles of this gen, and within a year PC will be leaps beyond what the ps4 and xboxone are doing, but then it will stagnate again and we'll be seeing highly polished multiplats on pc again, and then a new gen will arrive... and it repeats.

It always repeats.

If you've been through one or two gens, you've been through em all.

At the end of the day, pc's and consoles have their pros and cons. If I was made of money I would play my games this way...

Consoles for exclusives

PC for multiplats and PC Exclusives.

I for one cannot wait for my nex gen console experience,
and even If I never get a 3gb GPU and 16gb ram or an amd quad core or an i7 what have you,
i still cannot wait to see the power in that hardware finally get put to use in pcs :)

@Computersaysno thats not entirely true, 360 and ps3 did not have high end PC components in them from that time frame. Thats a joke, if that was the case, 360 and ps3 would have at least 2gb ram in them, not the laughable 512mb they have. A high end 3-4gb GPU alone will set you back 900 quid last time I checked. Also If I was to build a pc with the spec of a ps4 or xboxone (minus DDR5 Ram, since you cant buy that outside of GPU's for a pc as far as im aware) it would cost me only 300 or so.

[Autodidactdystopia]

I would also like to add to this little snafu you got goin here.

Last time I checked Intel was WIPING the floor with amd chips.

like an order of magnitude in terms of performance gap.

amd made all of the core components in the new boxes.

don't you think that amd would be "back in the game" If their hardware was actually an upgrade from current pc tech?

Amd is failing hard right now posting billions in losses just this last year...
but this new console deal is set to keep them in the game for another decade.

don't fool yourself into believing that any fancy new "hyper transport bus" is gonna change that, let alone their apu garbage.

They Cannot beat intel; boy trust me they have tried. everything they come out with cough cough "4ghz hypertransport speeds" (communication between the processor and north bridge) does anything to stop intels crazy godlike climb up the performance ladder.

so how does a company that is barely able to keep up with the competition who was forced to go the bargain route and sell dirt cheap chips for rock bottom prices go about convincing the world that somehow because their chips are now in consoles that they are better than a pc? regardless of how customizable they are?

fact of the matter is that both ms and sny went to the lowest bidder and made the best boxes they could.

still you don't gotta lie to kick it...

[GrownUpGamer]

commenting that a console is better than a Gaming-PC prove that all you know is about consoles and Console a vs console b.

PC will always be the better option for better quality graphics... DEAL with it.

They are giving you a PS4 for 400 now BUT you can't UPGRADE the CPU, GPU or RAM. The reality is that right now you can enjoy better graphics than those shown on PS4 and Xbox One on a PC for gaming.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

The AMD FX-8350 Vishera 8-Core CPU destroy both consoles cpu.

[Gaming101]

lol what a stupid article, if you have PC then you'll probably be spending $1000 on your next graphics card upgrade or whatever, if you're buying a console it's probably because you bought the last gen console and want to upgrade.

Really, you can't build a PC for $399 that runs games as well as the PS4 does, you just can't even if you build it yourself.

[awi5951]

The witcher games look great but they are made in direct x 9.

[awi5951]

Yes but there is no way these consoles can do complex physics/particle effects and A.I without making compromises. IM sorry but Pc cpus that are far more powerful than whats in these consoles so i dont believe them at all A.I and physics will be held back by those cpus unless they nerf PC effects just because of the console versions.

[FateoftheGame]

Consoles are no longer built just for gaming, though. Also, since when do we not have PCs built for gaming?

Back to the article: it's kind of weird that it immediately compares the new systems to PCs and then declares that the systems are "downgrades." Clearly, it's illogical to talk about these systems in terms of "upgrading" or "downgrading" if you don't even mention the 360 or PS3. But that's just my take.

[iGAM3R-VIII]

Actually a consoles main function is for gaiming, you wouldn't buy a PS4 just to watch a movie would you? Or buy an X1 just to go on Skype? I'm I right?

There are many PC's built for gaming but they are not mainly built for gaming. You can browse the web and listen to music as well which the same goes for a console but games are a priority for a console.

[FateoftheGame]

No, I personally wouldn't buy a gaming system for those things, but some people seem to like the television options of the Xbox One as much as they do the gaming possibilities. I do see your point, so thanks for the clarification.

[Jaqen_Hghar]

this is a man's comparison. If a console is significantly more powerful than its predecessor than it is an upgrade and worthy of "next gen" labels. The WiiU is more powerful than Wii by a wide margin. The Xbone and PS4 are more powerful than their predecessors by a wide margin. They are all next gen. End of discussion.

[HugoDrax]

@iGAM3R-VIII

"you wouldn't buy a PS4 just to watch a movie would you? Or buy an X1 just to go on Skype? I'm I right"

Actually most consumers would. As it's exactly what a small percentage of consumers decided. The PS3 was the more affordable option for purchasing a bluray player. I believe the difference was approximately $400 in savings. It was the option my mother in law chose at the time, and I'm sure she wasn't the only one.

[wishingW3L]

but the reality is that PC make up for it with pure brute power alone, so at the end, if you care so much about graphics then PC is the best option.

[FateoftheGame]

Yeah, this statement is undeniably true for diehard graphics fans.

For me? Gameplay > Everything Else.

[Henjin]

^ Agree. Gameplay is more important than graphics. However, why not having both? And if you don't care about graphics then why would you care about next-gen console?

[JsonHenry]

The only real difference between the consoles and the PC is the unified memory set up. The CPU and GPU in both systems are downgraded and underclocked off the shelf PC parts.

And there is NOTHING wrong with that fact. Of course PCs offer better visuals and more flexibility. It will always be that way. But the guy nailed it on the head when he said that consoles have a place for those that want more simplicity and don't care if their games scale up over time instead of just minor improvement over the life of the console unlike a PC.

I will own all the systems. (minus WiiU)

[jeffgoldwin]

"those that want more simplicity"

It's perceived simplicity and outdated stereotyping of pc gaming. There's zero difference between pulling up my steam account vs playing a game on psn/live. Heck you can use your console controllers on the pc and hdmi it right over to you tv.

It's all plug & play nowadays.

[JsonHenry]

I agree, Jeff. People don't realize how much of the PC is instal and go now days. Yes people still have some problems but for the most part things like Steam and Origin keep your game up to date and in the case of steam even keeps your AMD drivers up to date for you.

[ProjectVulcan]

These consoles aren't 'more advanced' than a gaming PC. They have some fettled hardware inside them, but basically, the main components are PC developed hardware. Unlike PS3 which had a very unique CPU, or Xbox 360 which had a totally custom GPU, these new consoles are literally cut down gaming computers in a box.

The CPU is x86 in them- this is just a slightly custom version of a part designed for mobile computing on a windows platform. That is, its primary market was always intended to be the PC space....x86 has been around for over 30 years.

The memory is DDR3 or GDDR5- both memory specifications were created to power personal computers, be it low latency system memory, or high bandwidth graphics memory. Both have been around for at least 5 years commercially.

Lastly the GPUs are derived virtually entirely from an AMD developed architecture that debuted in the PC space something like 18 months ago.

Consoles aren't built JUST for gaming anymore- I thought that blatantly obvious when Microsoft barely even spoke about gaming in their launch and Sony push multimedia very hard as well.

A new games console is just this- a slightly customised, more heavily packaged personal computer with a fixed platform, closed development environment in a specifically designed box.

Its cheaper because of this, but its also less powerful.

Please don't delude yourself thinking that makes their setup superior to up to date PC hardware- a platform for which they owe virtually their entire innards to!

[JsonHenry]

I am extremely excited about the Sony PS4. But no one should delude themselves into thinking that either console is an "upgrade" to the PC.

The CPU and GPU in both systems are cripled PC parts that came out anywhere from 1-1 1/2 years ago. Which will be 2-2 1/2 years by the time the consoles launch.

Will the consoles be awesome? YES! But not because they are an "upgrade" from the PC.

[Deividas]

Omg finally someone who KNOWS what hes talking about! Its so frustrating constantly hearing "oh i just bought a ps4 so now it beats your pc" i just got myself a $500 graphics card which will be obsolete in a few years and will have to upgrade again. You cant possibly think, even if you know nothing about pc components, that a ps4 is better graphically. Am i excited for the new gen console? Hell yea, also preordered a ps4. But def a nice read vulcan :)

[s45gr32]

That is just pr talk, am I the only that sees consoles no longer utilizing a propetiary architecture. X86 architecture has been the PC standard since the eighties. Both the xbox one and PS4 use x86 architecture how is that different or better than what the PC offers. Second last time I checked AMD is not owned by Microsoft or Sony meaning Sony and Microsoft are no longer making custom cpus/gpus like this generation. Instead AMD is providing the hardware not only that but is an APU not CPU. An APU was designed for laptops not gaming PC.

[3-4-5]

I just built a $500 PC and it's about as good as a PS4, maybe slightly worse GPU as I got the AMD 7770.

So really what your getting is console and PC style games, for a reduced price, with a good graphics card 8Gb of ram which is 16X more than we currently have now on Ps3/360.

These consoles are only upgrades. That and nothing else. I love my PC for games like Age of Empires and Total war and some FPS games, but you can't do all the same stuff on PS4 as you can on PC and the other way around as well.

Both are needed. We need diversity.

[Arai]

What does a smartphone website know about consoles?
All the articles they put out seem to downplay consoles.
Just look at the main tabs (example) on the site, it's laughable.

It turns out they were getting slammed that a mod needs to approve your comment now.

[CrossingEden]

nice ad hominem, really makes your point valid -_-

[MrTrololo]

No however they dont have that major leapt like PS1 to PS2 does

[dcj0524]

Bethesda said the ps4/X1 are like high-end pc.

[jeffgoldwin]

So consoles can do resolutions of 2500x1900 then?

[JsonHenry]

On 3 monitors in stereoscopic 3D?

[dcj0524]

Yup. But the graphics will suffer a bit. ( instead of ultra maybe high or medium-high.)

[s45gr32]

No but in the next five years probably.

[jeffgoldwin]

Not in 5 years, not even close. Unless in 5 years another console gen releases. This gen gunna struggle to have quality 1080p with all the juicy effects, let alone higher than that. But almost everyones current tv or screen is maxed at 1080p anyways, so that a good resolution at this point in time for consoles.

[UnwanteDreamz]

Oh here we go again...

"Someone said something negative about PC gaming??...
ATTACK!!!"

[AnteCash]

Consoles always punch above its weight.

Imagine playing TLOU, GT6 , GTA5 on a comparable PC from 2006.

[the_hitman3000]

HA I bet and 06 computer wouldn't run GTA 4 good either I know it was a bad port but I'm just saying

[JsonHenry]

I ran Crysis on high settings with a PC built in late 2006. And the original crysis looked better than anything AnteCash stated.

But the comparison isn't fair and should stop. Of course the PC is better. It will always be that way. And as a console gamer you should be happy for this fact because the PC keeps pushing the graphics ahead further and further so the next generation of video games has an even bigger leap in quality and abilities. It is a win-win for everyone really.

Imagine what small upgrades new consoles would be if companies only worried about putting out new hardware every 6-9 years instead of every 6-9 months like it is on the PC. We would just now be getting Dreamcast quality hardware if it were not for the ever fast evolving PC landscape.

[sorane]

My old pc from 2006 ran gta4 just fine as I'm sure it'd run those other games at ps3 resolution and settings. You guys/girls forget our versions are running at much higher settings/resolutions initially. Not hard to run many games at a sub 720p resolution with low textures and no aa....

[medman]

Sure, if you want to spend big bucks for a nice pc, go ahead. Then tell me where are the games that utilize the specs you've just purchased. They don't exist. Developers don't spend millions to develop for the few who have these high end setups. That is why you don't see games that look so much better for these pc's. No developer is going to push that hard for an install base that pales in comparison to the consoles. It won't happen. Which is why the pc specs don't really matter that much. It's diminishing returns on investment. Consoles are easy to pick up and play, and you don't have to worry about upgrading. People like easy. People like to have great experiences for a reasonable price. There is nothing wrong with that.

[Henjin]

What about Crysis series?

[dcj0524]

Crysis looks better than anything on the ps3/360.

[webeblazing]

please dont make people post list.
people easily post a list for gfx and gameplay that you wouldnt expect consoles gamers need to except it. and $200 gfx cards form 3yrs ago are just now starting to show their age (not yet tho)

[HacSawJimThugin]

Well said sir.

[Braid]

Let me ask you another question.

Who releases exclusive games like The Last of Us to PCs? Got an answer to that? Anyone? Anyone at all?

(dramatic silence)

Exactly.

[VforVideogames]

Heres more weed

[webeblazing]

why would pc gamers need one game let me ask you that im sure ps3 has had other games that was great. but yall hop to the next new game forget the old one. alot of pc games have a much loyal fanbase. so answering this question will give you too many answers.

and what you mean by a game like last of us

[Braid]

Last of Us I believe might be the best game of this generation for many reasons that had been listed countles times before in various topics. In my opinion, it's the defining game of the current gaming generation so I consider it as the "target" game overall quality of which should be achieved by any other video game company. It's such a strong experience that anyone who calls himself/herself a true gamer should experience it. It's literally "the one game" you don't want to miss. That's the reason why I gave LoU as an example of top-notch games that you can't experience on a gaming PC.

I have a gaming rig myself and even though I've seen some unbelievable visuals on it (especially Metro Last Light and Crysis 3) I've yet to see a game with the same magnitude of LoU in terms of the overall experience it offers on my PC. That's the beauty of first party developers, and PC is inarguably lacking at that department. Aside from the indie devs, how many developers are there publishing games exlcusively for the PC, and how many of these games are comparable to titles like Last of Us, Heavy Rain, God of War 3, Metal Gear Solid IV or Demon's Souls? Those are the games that you just cannot experience on any other platform. Therefore, comparing those platforms by their hardware power is kind of irrelevant for me, as the games I tend to enjoy most are always getting released exclusively on consoles.

Sorry for the long post, hope I made myself clear this time.

[webeblazing]

i guess you got a point i gotta try it waiting for the price to come down im not in a rush

[Belking]

Another n4g classic article.

[MysticStrummer]

They're only downgrades to time traveling internet commenters, who have played games on PS5 and... whatever the hell MS calls the NextNextNextBox.

[TKChillin]

My Nephew works at Best buy and told me no one buys a PC anymore. Laptops still sell very slowly. Almost everyone goes in looking for a tablet. My PC died last year and I have yet to build me a new one. I run an Android phone and tablet both 4G and it suits me just fine....R.I.P personal computer...you lived a full life!!!

[jeffgoldwin]

So much failure and ignorance in this thread it's hardly worth commenting on. Yet I did.......sad face for me. : (

[N2NOther]

That's because people buy in parts, not whole PCs.

[Henjin]

Did you also play AAA games on your phone and tablet?

[webeblazing]

LMAO lol.... Best Buy lol. even with labtops who would buy it at best buy even hsn and qvc would give you a better deal. serious when you wanna buy something that cost over a $100 what do you do first part inter last part net.

p.s. you was joking right

[Kita2950]

I totally agree with Jaqen_Hghar. They( Nvidia and the like) can compare pcs and consoles for all i care. In end, the largest gaming community will buy consoles and respective companies will profit from them.

[thehitman]

No PC today can run at the specs ps4 and even xb1 has for the same costs. It is not possible to even reach the same performance you have to drop at least double the amount it costs to build a ps4. Then if you want even more performance you receive a diminishing returns on performance where it costs like 400-600 for a gpu ALONE which is well at or above the costs of consoles themselves. To add only like 5-10% of PC owners have computers suited for actual gaming that are at or near next-gen console power. I am a PC gamer and if anyone else says otherwise they are too insecure to admit that PC gaming is a high luxury where performance is not always met by how much your putting into it, which is why many try to brag over consoles.

[NioRide]

My 6870 puts out more power than the ps4's graphical chip.

Its a $80 GPU now.

[thehitman]

Really 80 dollars?

https://www.google.com/sear...

Im ready to call more bullshit. Also I am pretty sure the 6870 wont outperform the gpu combo on the ps4. Also to add no gfx card comes with more than 3-4gigs of vram and most people dont have anymore than 2gigs of vram so if you also want to compare it to 8gigs of vram which no gpu on the planet has we can do that as well.

[NioRide]

Vram just allows textures, It doesn't do anything else.

Again another console person who doesn't understand computing power.

[thehitman]

Lol just allows textures? The only thing PCs can do over consoles is allow higher textures and I like how u glossed over you lying out ur ass. I bet my gaming rig I built myself is better than yours and I dont have to brag about it.

[NioRide]

"better textures is all PC's do"

How about more models on screen, larger play areas, Better lighting quality, physics, destruction, particle effects. I can keep this list going on and on.

And I'm not "comparing" my rig to yours, I'm say in pure processing power my old ass 6870 still puts out more then the ps4's graphical system can.

[sourav93]

What these people don't understand is that if there were no more consoles, the gaming industry would be dead. The standard of games would drop, and gaming will go back to being something only nerds do in their free time.

[s45gr32]

That is not true at all during the console gaming crash, PC gaming was thriving and some of the best games came out during that time. In fact we come to the point that consoles are no longer needed especially when kickstarter projects (published games by gamers yay) have proven to be more innovative, forward thinking, and fun to play than what you see on consoles. Independent game developers have kicked the proverbial ass of mainstream game developers. The tablets /smartphones have rendered the handhelds useless. Let's be honest Japanese game developers have abandoned consoles only making the tried and true old ass franchises. More and more Japanese games are made for the mobile market and now PC. Survival horror games are made exclusively for PC (amnesia dark descent, lone survivor, Lucius, home, slender, etc). RTS and mmo have yet to make their mark on consoles. PC gaming has come a long way and it will have more pros than consoles this upcoming generation like free online gaming, full backwards compatibility, able to play online games despite the servers being shut down by game developers through private servers, mods, better visuals plus technical performance, free cloud storage, discounts, free games with no subscription requirement. What do consoles offer to game developers nothing for years game developers have cried and cried the walled gardens of consoles networking, the fact they have to pay for patches and updates and wait for the approval of the big three to release say updates/patches. The used game market, not making profit on consoles. In all honesty we are better off without consoles.

[thehitman]

There are kickstarter games on consoles as well dont see your point and action adventure games suck on PCs and are non-existent besides the ports they get from consoles. Never will see infamous, uncharted, GoW and I could go on on PC so yes consoles are needed or the industry would be nothing but shooters, mmos and rts games.

[Brucis]

That's how it's always been, and likely will be. I don't get how hard of a concept this is. Consoles aren't about power, they're about convenience and price.

[s45gr32]

Convenience really maybe back in the PS2 days but not anymore. Today's consoles required firmware updates (updating Windows), patches, game updates. Wait and wait for game developers to get the approval of the big three plus pay them for fixing their own games. Socom confrontation comes into mind, the PS3 gets hacked ; thus, for two months PS3 gamers were unable to play their games online. To those that want to cancel their xbox live gold have to go through hoops and loops dealing with putrid customer service just to cancel it. It took a year or maybe it wasn't fixed in regards to the bugs, glitches gears of war 2 went through. Recently if the wii u bricked all of your information, account and everything you bought will dissappear no refund, no credit, nothing but an apology and a kick in the nuts. Point is consoles nowadays are as inconvenient as PC gaming mostly from the software side which is worse. At least with hardware is just change this part for that part. Software you are screwed especially if is a closed platform. Price lol consoles no longer cost $300.00 the PS3 was $600.00 plus tax at launch then it got downgraded in order to cost $300.00. Next consoles $400.00 and $500.00 respectively how is that cheaper than PC gaming, don't forget to pay to play online which is free on PC. Want deals or discounts maybe some free games guess what you need to pay a yearly subscription for that. On PC is a standard to get free games, deals/discounts. So much for convenience and price

[N2NOther]

"And then there’s Clay Causin, a senior software engineer at NVIDIA, who was even more candid. “Personal opinion: Consoles, they have a place. If you need something basic, you don’t care how your game looks, alright, I guess it works for you. PC gaming is… bigger and better. Consoles are a downgrade,” Causin said."

Says the guy whose chip company was completely shutout of this generation.

[webeblazing]

you do know AMD was saying the same thing it isnt like the world doesnt know this just the fanboys with the fingers in their ears

[kingduqc]

Ps3 was considered like a high end pc back in the release day. Ps4 is considered mid range to today's standard. See the gap there is between pc and ps3 today, well in 7 years the gap from pc to ps4 will be bigger then it is.

That's the problem, ps4 already showing it's age and it's not even released. Some dev decided to go with 30 fps because ps4 just can't handle it, or even lower resolution to 1920*900 (evil withing and order 1866) and that's year 0 of the ps4 life cycle. I've read an article not so long ago that stated that 4 of the 8 cores on ps4 is about as strong as 1/4th of a 4 core cpu, that's just so bad. Gpu is a mere 7850, considering 9970 will be around the corner in october/november that card is just not gonna cut it.

I guess it's going to be like this gen, ps4 will get lower res and pc will be played in 4k with all the eye candy and twice the fps :/

[s45gr32]

Could you provide links to those articles that is some juicy information right there.

[SignifiedSix91]

the question is, are you high?

[Henjin]

Console guys, please! There's nothing wrong when saying PCs have better hardwares than consoles. (For example, compare GPU of PS4/Xbone with GTX Titan). However, each system has its own advantages and disadvantages. Consoles do their good job at adorable price, while PCs at same price cannot. PCs have better specs but way more expensive. To archive same graphics level as consoles, PCs need more cost.

(My English is very limit so I cannot express my opinion well).

[esemce]

I love PC's and consoles for me it's about exclusive games, there will be titles on the PS4 that will never be on PC and vice versa so I will game on both as I always have.

Naughty Dog, Team Ico and Guerrilla don't make PC games and probably never will as long as there is a Playstation.

For me a PS4 is essential even though I already own a more powerful gaming PC.

[Str8Chaos74]

Agreed, why not have the best of both worlds and stop the bickering people. YOU can have both a console and a PC.

[crazyeightz]

My friend went out and brought a $700 desktop last year to play diablo 3. After seeing that it wasn't up to par to the screenshots he saw, he was informed that he still needed to buy graphics card for the full 3D rendering he went and got one for $600. The graphics were awesome and slowdown was non existant. Meanwhile I learned to be content with playing d3 lowered to a window on my laptop with the occasional lag. D3 ended up being a disappointment and Im glad I never wasted any money for PC gaming because Im a console gamer at heart. I can clearly see the improvement with a PC but I do not have the $1300 to shell out just for eye candy. Also the money every three years to update the graphics card starting at $400? No thanks.

[pabadamus1]

In short -- no. They were never purposed to be PCs so they cannot be downgraded from what a PC is. The next generation of consoles will in fact be upgrades of prior console iterations. They have been designed to improve on what current gen consoles do. Nothing else.

I also don't understand why the talking heads of these graphics manufacturers rarely ever comment on price, accessibility or ease of use when they make their comparisons. "Wait, I can get better grafx than a console on this PC that costs 3 to 4 times more than...wow what a deal.". Shut up. No one ever says that. Consoles are cheaper, 'plug and play', no hassle pieces of machinery. Consumers know this and most will never opt for something as cumbersome and expensive as a gaming centric PC. The reality is that the console is king and PCs for all their power and might are bound to fealty because enthusiasts are too small of a group. This is probably one of the few instances where we see the many ruling the few.

[GraveLord]

Lol. No.

[GamePeace]

No, in the future most PC games will be downgraded to optimated console Versions...

[Tzuno]

in a consoles pc comparison it is clearly that pc is superior, it's about the exclusives the consoles have that make the consumers to buy consoles.

[Str8Chaos74]

Call of Duty is an exclusive?

[Izzy408]

Of course PC will out perform next-gen consoles; I mean where else is new software and hardware going to be developed? That being said, I highly doubt the majority of PC fanboys have high-end PCs' similar to the ones' game developers use.

It's no coincidence that every time a great game comes out, you see a shitload of people bitching about how they have to upgrade their PC. They like to call themselves the "master race," yet they have to spend hundreds of dollars every other year if they want to enjoy the full benefits of a new game. Console gamers on the other hand, only need to spend roughtly 400-500 and they're set for about a decade.

[HeroPsychoDreamer]

Even though the PC is a high performance machine, I like the convenience of the console. Sitting on my couch watching Netflix, listening to music or gaming with a big TV and surround. All without leaving the couch (except when you need a beer)

[sAVAge_bEaST]

You sound, like how I roll.

[cunnilumpkin]

@hero

its called hdmi, all modern pc gpu's support it, one cable, to tv, done

90% of modern pc games use xbox360 wireless controller

steam does all your updates for you

NVidia updates your drivers for you

now even morons can game on pc

[HeroPsychoDreamer]

Then I would need a 30' hdmi cable.

[cunnilumpkin]

ps4=$400
psn plus for 8 years=$400
games cost $15 more than pc per game at least
you'll probably buy 100 games in 8 years=$1500 at least you will pay over pc pricing

ps4=$2300 at least

you can build 3 pc's that will curb stomp the ps4 for that

or one hella kick ass rig and a TON of steam games on sale and spend WAY less

console gaming is MORE expensive than pc gaming

example; tomb raider is $12 on steam and amazon right now the ps3 and xbox 360 versions (which also look like CRAP compared to the pc and run terrible) are $30 ON SALE!! Normally they are $60

[papajag]

Yeah but you missing out on the exclusives. I play both so I'm good. PC just isn't getting that many exclusives anymore and that devs do tend to ignore the PC market probably due to piracy.

[wordthrower]

For what it's worth, the only reason PC's have a hard time beating consoles out on a price to power ratio (and this is only relevant in the early lifespan of a new console) is that companies like Sony and Microsoft are operating on the blades and razor model, which is to say that the consoles themselves are sold at a negative profit which is outweighed by game sales.

[McScroggz]

I was going to try and delve into the whole PC's are 100 times more powerful than consoles discussion, but to really explain the differences and how they are significant takes a lot more effort than I want to get into right now, haha.

Suffice it so say that PC's are more powerful than consoles because they literally need to be. Whenever the PS4 and Xbox One launches they WILL be like a high-end PC simply because games simply do not take advantage of a system with a minimum of 5-7 GB of RAM. Right now games are developed to work within the now measly 512MB of RAM that each consoles have. Sure, the best gaming PC's will still look and perform better, but a $400-500 PC will not - I repeat will not - perform as well as an optimized, fixed platform console.

I don't know how long it will take PC's before we see a wide gap in the "average" gaming PC and these new consoles, but those that say PC's will dominate these consoles aren't thinking practically. Regardless of what you believe, PC's will only benefit from a large increase in console RAM.

Everybody wins here.

[Xtremist]

Nobody really cares how good the desktop-pc platform compares to consoles because its a dying platform. I mean its demographic is shrinking in speed of light.
By 2015 home desctop-pcs will represent only a 8-10%. So its a safe guess to say that by 2020-21 they will represent just an 1% - 2% of the pc market.
In other words desktop-pcs will be an inexistant platform for use in home. They will be replased by smartphones, tablets and laptops.

[steve30x]

No they are not. Their CPU / GPU is made of more recent technology than the current consoles and they have a lot more ram which will help a lot. The CPU and GPU in the next consoles may seem to be slower on paper than the current consoles but with the advance in techology they are either on par or better than the PS3 and Xbox 360 hardware. For instance I own an Intel Core I5 760 @ 3.6GHz but the newest Core I5 4670K at stock speed is much faster than my CPU with turbo mode turned off even though it has a lower CPU clock speed.