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Why I Signed The Petition To Bring Back The Xbox One DRM

Gamers-Association editor Ridge Dermody explains in detail why he signed the petition to bring DRM back to the Xbox One. It isn't because he is a sony troll(maybe a little) and not because he thinks it'll make a difference.

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dedicatedtogamers2551d ago

And people wonder why Xbox and their supporters have been the laughingstock of the game industry for the past two months...

http://n4g.com/user/blogpos...

Narutone662551d ago

They try to put the blame on PS fans for the petition.

BadboyCivic2551d ago (Edited 2551d ago )

And if they reverse it. Would everybody finally be happy?

dantesparda2551d ago (Edited 2551d ago )

"Why I Signed The Petition To Bring Back The Xbox One DRM"

Because im a fanboy idiot. If there is a god, please give these retards what they want. Let them see error of their ways. This my friends is fanboyism gone wrong

JokesOnYou2551d ago (Edited 2551d ago )

lol, nobody trying to blame sony fans, the author describes himself as a playstation fan if you actually read more than the headline.

Also Im against the drm but all for the sharing, if I couldn't sell my game but I could share it with 10 friends as the family share plan suggested, hell yeah I choose that option, you say I lose my rights, I say I dont care to sell my games anyway and more importantly what I gain is the ability to let my nephews 3000 mi away play my games the same day I buy them. So tell me how the world will end if those who signed this petition (I didn't) got what they wanted? At this point I just want them to stick with the current plan but give those of us who go digital the original option.

dantesparda2551d ago

Yea, I read it and don't buy it, he's whining and bitching about used games ruining the industry and then at the end he claims he's a PS fan (not fanboy), but I don't buy it. Think the guy is just a shill

AngelicIceDiamond2551d ago (Edited 2551d ago )

@Naruto Maybe PlayStation fans are doing it to "troll" or Trying to "ruin" The X1. But same can be said about certain Xbox fans signing the petition.

I dunno, Xbox division is a three ring circus and so are some Xbox fans.

No matter, MS knows its R.I.P if they bring it back. The pre-orders are looking allot better since the drop of DRM.

I hope this madness surrounding MS is over soon.

SirKilla2551d ago (Edited 2551d ago )

iTunes is a drm and the music industry loves it.
I am afraid of drm because I think Xbox will make a killing off of it.
Weather you like Xbox or play station. DRM will rule the industry sooner than later. Sucks but everyone is doubting the power of protection.
I can also see the industry profiting more off of it... There are already Incentives for designing for one system over the other.

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Killzoner992551d ago

I know dude , everybody is laughing at them because they think they are better than the PS4. I laugh all the time about it lol , and I'll be laughing when Micro$oft gtfo of the industry. The only thing they ever cared about was $ and the masses are finally catching on to this. This will be the end of the Xbox brand and Micro$oft can only blame themselves.

n4rc2551d ago

Nope.. Not even close..

Nobody goes around saying Xbox is so much better yada yada... Its you idiots that feel the need to talk shit and spread false info and generally act like punkass children in every single thread..

Every one.. Then when someone gets tired of your arrogant and ignorant bullshit and calls you on it, you ignore the facts, call them a fanboy and usually insult their intelligence.. Then you continue to spread wildly paranoid, downright idiotic and hypocritical nonsense..

Thank god all you idiots won't be buying a Xbox.. That is Microsoft's biggest selling feature..

And for the record.. Its not all ps4 fans.. Some of you are real gamers that don't buy into this fanboy shit.. Usually because as a gamer, you own both. And which is your favorite is your choice and its all good..

dantesparda2551d ago (Edited 2551d ago )

Actually you've insulted your own intelligence siding with MS on their ridiculous policies and supporting their overpriced and inferior system. And the sh!t you just said about PS fanboys actually applies to all fanboys, PERIOD! im so sick and tired of one set of fanboys talking sh!t about the other set of fanboys, like they are any better. All fanboys are the same!

"Thank god all you idiots won't be buying a Xbox.. That is Microsoft's biggest selling feature.. "

I have both (360 since launch day & ps3 since nov 07) and I can tell you that there are way more racist douchebags on live than on psn by far, but I don't hear you bitching about those types of "idiots"

Death2551d ago

@dante

Over-priced and inferior? It's priced the same as the PS4. The additional $100 is for the Kinect which also comes in the box. The only way it is over-priced is if you are dead set against having added features in the box on day one that actually have chance at getting supported.

How is the system inferior? It hasn't launched and we haven't actually played the games. The actual specs are almost identical to the PS4 with both being made by AMD for the most part. The only difference we see today is theoretical computations based on speculation. RAM is a non-issue if you have any knowledge of PC architecture. Neither DDR3 nor GDDR5 are ideal for a CPU/GPU combo and the allocation between 5 and 7 for games with 1 to 3 being used for the OS is an arguement that can go both ways. More ram used in the background means the system can walk and chew bubblegum at the same time. Games don't typically use more than 4 gigs dedicated for gaming on high end PC's and 1 for the GPU. The fact that these are fixed systems give them an edge over PC's already so it't not even a question of shelf life.

IcicleTrepan2551d ago

Your intelligence shines through with your use of $ in place of the S. You are fooling yourself if you think Sony is your buddy and is doing it for the lulz and not for money. Both companies would dig your dead body up and rape it if there was a good enough profit margin in it.

dantesparda2551d ago (Edited 2551d ago )

@Death

Oh please, I do know technology and the bandwidth difference between the RAMs is very significant and important. I don't care about the 7 gigs to 5 gigs, but the bandwidth difference is huge. And a small amount of esram isnt going to make up for that, because developers are always going to have to be figuring out what needs the higher bandwidth and what they can fit into the smaller pool of memory (the 32mb of esram). And will also have to resort to a lot of compressing which also slows down the process and doesn't yield as good of results

If you know anything about graphics card architecture then you would know just how important bandwidth is (you got the core architecture, then core speed/clocks then bandwidth as the trifecta for performance).

And APUs perform much better with higher bandwidth memory not lower bandwidth modules.

You know, you MS fanboys always try and say, "but the higher latencies of GDDR5", yet MS themselves went with the higher latency modules for their system (2133Mhz chips rather than the lower latency, 1866Mhz chips). Cuz, we are talking about a games system here and the most important thing here is graphics performance, and to graphics performance bandwidth matters much more than latencies. Unless you think MS is stupid (that's another debate), cuz they didn't pick the lower latency 1866mhz modules

And stop with this ridiculous claim of 4gigs being enough for games. Its not, especially with all the higher res/higher quality assets that we are gonna want. I bet you by the middle/end of this gen you'll wish they had gone with even more. Devs can eat up the memory real quick

And the X1 is overpriced and underpowered in comparison, PEROID!

JokesOnYou2551d ago

"And the X1 is overpriced and underpowered in comparison, PEROID!"

-oh please that's a fanboy statement if I ever heard one, hell even if we assume the eSRAM will do nothing X1 is st8ll far from underpowered. Also Death is correct Kinect v2 by itself actually costs alot more than $100.

dantesparda2550d ago (Edited 2550d ago )

A f-up "period", I accidently messed up, oops

and to Jokes, in comparison to the PS4, yes it is, its technically inferior and costs more. And the difference isn't as small as you MS fanboys try and make it out to be. Its actually pretty significant. Why cant you phony a$$ fanboys get that!? Nevermind, I already know the answer to that (hint: its called fanboyism)

And according to fanboys, now stating a fact makes you a "fanboy". FACT: PS4 is technically superior! Stating a fact isn't fanboyism, except to a biased, deluded fanboy mind. Deal with it!

Now does that mean 3rd party games will show it? I highly doubt it, but it will because of programming parity, not PS4 and X1 being equal.

and p.s. I wouldn't even pay $59 for a Kinect, its a waste of money for me, I don't care for that sh!t, sorry. I prefer my money go towards a more powerful hardware.

EXVirtual2550d ago

Yeah man, it'll be much better without them.

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B-radical2551d ago

Im a supporter and i dont feel as if ive been laughed at as much as bitched out

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Dr Pepper2551d ago (Edited 2551d ago )

"Every time you buy a used game you are directly taking food from the mouths of the people who made that very game you are enjoying."

The same tired argument over and over and over and over. Guess what, every time someone buys a car from a random person down the street, they are taking food from the mouths of the people who made that very car they are enjoying.

"Every week or two we hear about a different big developer or publisher laying off often times hundreds of people."

It can't possibly be because those developers/publishers are making sub-par games, or take established, loved franchises and dumb them down so much that not even the masses care about them. Can't have anything to do with broader economic concerns that have affected many industries over the past few years. Nope, its gotta be the used games.

"Well guess what? When you buy a used game you are a pirate."

Supremely incorrect, from a legal standpoint (at least in the United States). First of all, someone paid for that copy of the used game already. After that, as with virtually any product, you are able to do whatever you want with it (as long as it's not physically harming someone or mass producing it, obviously).

The author of this is being manipulated by companies who use used video games as a scape goat for much larger issues. Unless the author is, as they say, "trolling". Perhaps? Maybe?

d_dogg20072551d ago

Very well said! Hit the nail on the head! Also don't forget the bloated projects from a cost perspective (RE 6)

Death2551d ago

Because clearly a car and a video game are the same. Here's the flaw in your analogy, when you buy software you are granted one license to use it. It is not transferable per the user agreement in the game that you clearly haven't read or understand. When you take the car you plan on reselling,you also need a license to operate it. You pay for this license annually and can not sell the license. In order for someone to drive the car you sell, they need to get a license to do so.

The evil DRM that so many are afraid of enforced the User Agreement that you agree to in order to play the game you bought. If it is traded, the new user pays the license fee again, just like your car you sold.

With games you own the plastic, but are only granted one license and it is not transferable. The game industry has had no way to enforce the license or user agreement until technology caught up. Today, all digital downloads adhere to the User Agreement and single license fee. The proposed DRM by Microsoft gave you the ability to enjoy the benefits of an all digital library, but still trade in the game with retailers paying the license fee on the resale to the publisher/developer.

Gamers so called "rights" were not infringed on, the User Agreement was enforced and the people responsible for creating the work got paid.

n4rc2551d ago

And don't forget the obvious..

They clearly stated they would not impose restrictions on 1st party titles. And 3rd parties could utilize the DRM features if they choose..

Well guess what? They can choose to implement stricter DRM whenever the hell they want anyways..

Microsoft provided a simple platform to protect users from clumsy DRM methods that are way more annoying then a online pass

Point being.. There was ZERO evidence anyone was going to use it in the near future anyways..

But if you think DRM won't rear its head on your ps4, you are delusional..

It has nothing to do with hardware makers, rather software developers.. And these 3rd parties make games for PS too.. Think they'll only bother restricting one platform? Lmao

creatchee2551d ago (Edited 2551d ago )

@Death

Exactly. There was a great YouTube video I saw on the topic that made excellent, detailed points as to why the video game industry is completely different from other industries, in that their only revenue stream comes from the direct sale of new games. Basically...

Cars - what you said, plus the fact that cars are more of a necessity purchase than a luxury (in most cases). EDIT: also cars deteriorate in condition over time and usage. Their value goes down as well. However, a game is the same experience whether new or used, barring any DLC or online pass code usage)

Movies - theater exhibition, broadcast, streaming, digital download, and on-demand revenue.

Music - radio broadcast, streaming, digital downloads, and live performance.

But all video games have is the first sale. That is the only revenue stream coming from the original work and license. Used games hurt the industry more than the other industries because they simply do not make money for the publishers and the developers otherwise.

And back to your original point, we've had it good for the longest time in terms of being able to sell, trade, and lend our games. It helps a lot of people who could not afford as much as they could without it. However, this comes at a cost to the people who actually make the games, and actually violates the end user licensing agreement of pretty much every game released in the past 20 or more years.

Also, I will shed no tears when the Gamestops of the world start closing. They give a pittence of what games are worth to the people who paid full price and then turn around and sell it at the slightest of discounts, again, giving no money or compensation to the people who actually made the game.

Still, Microsoft's methods were not optimal. Console-side DRM will never be embraced by the masses unless the benefits are clearly shown AND they must outweigh the rights (perceived or otherwise) that are given up for such a system. It has to be more than just family sharing and portability - we would need lower prices, fully realized content, no more nickel and diming on DLC, a more relaxed take on checkins and license transfer, and continued support on what we buy. Then it would work, or at least work better.

Dr Pepper2551d ago (Edited 2551d ago )

"Because clearly a car and a video game are the same. Here's the flaw in your analogy, when you buy software you are granted one license to use it. It is not transferable per the user agreement in the game that you clearly haven't read or understand. When you take the car you plan on reselling,you also need a license to operate it. You pay for this license annually and can not sell the license. In order for someone to drive the car you sell, they need to get a license to do so."

"The evil DRM that so many are afraid of enforced the User Agreement that you agree to in order to play the game you bought. If it is traded, the new user pays the license fee again, just like your car you sold. "

The license you use to operate a car is not something that is meant to financially benefits the car manufacturer or designer. It is so that your ability to operate a vehicle safely is established. The money you pay annually is to keep services provided by the government, not the designer and manufacturer, up and running.

If you prefer, I can use a different analogy. A TV, a bluray player, a golf club, a hair drier, etc. All of these, including a car as well, can be resold at the discretion of the one who buys it. This might hurt the designers/makers of the product, but legally we have the right to do so. Are you fighting for garage sales to be shut down to avoid such injustice?

"per the user agreement in the game that you clearly haven't read or understand"

And which game have I not read the User Agreement in exactly? There is nothing that I had to sign when purchasing Metro Last Light for 360 from Best Buy. There is no user agreement in the manual, box or within the in-game menu. There is warranty, returns, replacements and contact information.

creatchee2551d ago

@Dr Pepper

"If you prefer, I can use a different analogy. A TV, a bluray player, a golf club, a hair drier, etc. All of these, including a car as well, can be resold at the discretion of the one who buys it."

The problem with your examples is that they are all consumables. They will work perfectly for a certain amount of times, and then their performance will degrade until they do not work anymore.

Video games are different because they are software. The data will work the same way the first time you use it as it will on the 9 millionth time you use it. Sure, discs can scratch or be damaged, but through normal use and proper care, they will read pretty much forever. And even if they don't, the data on them is still the same and would work regardless of the disc condition.

Add this with my comment before in regards to the lack of alternate revenue streams for the actual game (not including DLC or microtransactions, as they are separate), and you have to admit that video games are unique, or at least uncommon when it comes to products. Should they be subject to the same rules as other products? As of now, legally they are all lumped together. But that doesn't mean that it's right.

IcicleTrepan2551d ago

I own a PS3 and a 360, a PC and several Android devices, and will own a PS4 and an XB1. But it really does make me laugh all these pro Sony people falling all over themselves over how great Sony is. I just bought Last of Us a week ago and when I opened the case to pop the disc in what did I see in the case? Online Pass. That's right. First party developer. Where's your god now fanboys?

Dr Pepper2551d ago (Edited 2551d ago )

@ creatchee

"The problem with your examples is that they are all consumables. They will work perfectly for a certain amount of times, and then their performance will degrade until they do not work anymore."

"Video games are different because they are software. The data will work the same way the first time you use it as it will on the 9 millionth time you use it. Sure, discs can scratch or be damaged, but through normal use and proper care, they will read pretty much forever. And even if they don't, the data on them is still the same and would work regardless of the disc condition."

You used the phrase "with proper care" which I would avoid if one is to be using your argument, because that can be said of many products. A few years ago, I went and helped my parents with a garage sale and somebody bought my dad's 25-30 year gold clubs. I have no idea WHY someone wanted them (maybe rare?) but they were still in damn fine condition. Should we treat such an item as unsellable if it retains its working condition over many years? And by the way, game discs can degrade over time, even without being mishandled.

If this is such a critical issue, it's strange that CD Project Red, an anti DRM developer, has the funds to open a new studio. It doesn't seem they are hurting financially at the moment, even with used sales of The Witcher 2 on 360.

Then, lets compare that to Square Enix complaining about Hitman sales. First of all, it was already in the millions sold, and secondly (more importantly), they altered the franchise from how previous games like, Blood Money, played. Now, do we blame such things on used games? Or do we blame the developer for stripping out what made the series great and therefore not enticing fans to purchase their game? I don't think I'm going to be blaming used games on that one.

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EXVirtual2550d ago

Exactly. If he wants to give the indutry money, he can buy all his games new. I only buy used when i have to, but i realise not everyone has the same luxury as me.

A2X_2551d ago

Because you're dumb. Look no further.

Soldierone2551d ago

Digital is still there. If you don't want any rights and want to be ripped off, then you can still do it. No one is stopping you.

Just because you want to do that doesn't mean everyone else wants to, and THATS why MS reversed their dumb policy.....

pr0t0typeknuckles2551d ago

im not even gonna attempt to read the article,that title alone just lets everyone that your an idiot,there is no reason to bring those policies back at all.