Gamers-Association editor Ridge Dermody explains in detail why he signed the petition to bring DRM back to the Xbox One. It isn't because he is a sony troll(maybe a little) and not because he thinks it'll make a difference.
And people wonder why Xbox and their supporters have been the laughingstock of the game industry for the past two months... http://n4g.com/user/blogpos...
They try to put the blame on PS fans for the petition.
And if they reverse it. Would everybody finally be happy?
"Why I Signed The Petition To Bring Back The Xbox One DRM" Because im a fanboy idiot. If there is a god, please give these retards what they want. Let them see error of their ways. This my friends is fanboyism gone wrong
lol, nobody trying to blame sony fans, the author describes himself as a playstation fan if you actually read more than the headline. Also Im against the drm but all for the sharing, if I couldn't sell my game but I could share it with 10 friends as the family share plan suggested, hell yeah I choose that option, you say I lose my rights, I say I dont care to sell my games anyway and more importantly what I gain is the ability to let my nephews 3000 mi away play my games the same day I buy them. So tell me how the world will end if those who signed this petition (I didn't) got what they wanted? At this point I just want them to stick with the current plan but give those of us who go digital the original option.
Yea, I read it and don't buy it, he's whining and bitching about used games ruining the industry and then at the end he claims he's a PS fan (not fanboy), but I don't buy it. Think the guy is just a shill
@Naruto Maybe PlayStation fans are doing it to "troll" or Trying to "ruin" The X1. But same can be said about certain Xbox fans signing the petition. I dunno, Xbox division is a three ring circus and so are some Xbox fans. No matter, MS knows its R.I.P if they bring it back. The pre-orders are looking allot better since the drop of DRM. I hope this madness surrounding MS is over soon.
iTunes is a drm and the music industry loves it. I am afraid of drm because I think Xbox will make a killing off of it. Weather you like Xbox or play station. DRM will rule the industry sooner than later. Sucks but everyone is doubting the power of protection. I can also see the industry profiting more off of it... There are already Incentives for designing for one system over the other.
I know dude , everybody is laughing at them because they think they are better than the PS4. I laugh all the time about it lol , and I'll be laughing when Micro$oft gtfo of the industry. The only thing they ever cared about was $ and the masses are finally catching on to this. This will be the end of the Xbox brand and Micro$oft can only blame themselves.
Nope.. Not even close.. Nobody goes around saying Xbox is so much better yada yada... Its you idiots that feel the need to talk shit and spread false info and generally act like punkass children in every single thread.. Every one.. Then when someone gets tired of your arrogant and ignorant bullshit and calls you on it, you ignore the facts, call them a fanboy and usually insult their intelligence.. Then you continue to spread wildly paranoid, downright idiotic and hypocritical nonsense.. Thank god all you idiots won't be buying a Xbox.. That is Microsoft's biggest selling feature.. And for the record.. Its not all ps4 fans.. Some of you are real gamers that don't buy into this fanboy shit.. Usually because as a gamer, you own both. And which is your favorite is your choice and its all good..
Actually you've insulted your own intelligence siding with MS on their ridiculous policies and supporting their overpriced and inferior system. And the sh!t you just said about PS fanboys actually applies to all fanboys, PERIOD! im so sick and tired of one set of fanboys talking sh!t about the other set of fanboys, like they are any better. All fanboys are the same! "Thank god all you idiots won't be buying a Xbox.. That is Microsoft's biggest selling feature.. " I have both (360 since launch day & ps3 since nov 07) and I can tell you that there are way more racist douchebags on live than on psn by far, but I don't hear you bitching about those types of "idiots"
@dante Over-priced and inferior? It's priced the same as the PS4. The additional $100 is for the Kinect which also comes in the box. The only way it is over-priced is if you are dead set against having added features in the box on day one that actually have chance at getting supported. How is the system inferior? It hasn't launched and we haven't actually played the games. The actual specs are almost identical to the PS4 with both being made by AMD for the most part. The only difference we see today is theoretical computations based on speculation. RAM is a non-issue if you have any knowledge of PC architecture. Neither DDR3 nor GDDR5 are ideal for a CPU/GPU combo and the allocation between 5 and 7 for games with 1 to 3 being used for the OS is an arguement that can go both ways. More ram used in the background means the system can walk and chew bubblegum at the same time. Games don't typically use more than 4 gigs dedicated for gaming on high end PC's and 1 for the GPU. The fact that these are fixed systems give them an edge over PC's already so it't not even a question of shelf life.
Your intelligence shines through with your use of $ in place of the S. You are fooling yourself if you think Sony is your buddy and is doing it for the lulz and not for money. Both companies would dig your dead body up and rape it if there was a good enough profit margin in it.
@Death Oh please, I do know technology and the bandwidth difference between the RAMs is very significant and important. I don't care about the 7 gigs to 5 gigs, but the bandwidth difference is huge. And a small amount of esram isnt going to make up for that, because developers are always going to have to be figuring out what needs the higher bandwidth and what they can fit into the smaller pool of memory (the 32mb of esram). And will also have to resort to a lot of compressing which also slows down the process and doesn't yield as good of results If you know anything about graphics card architecture then you would know just how important bandwidth is (you got the core architecture, then core speed/clocks then bandwidth as the trifecta for performance). And APUs perform much better with higher bandwidth memory not lower bandwidth modules. You know, you MS fanboys always try and say, "but the higher latencies of GDDR5", yet MS themselves went with the higher latency modules for their system (2133Mhz chips rather than the lower latency, 1866Mhz chips). Cuz, we are talking about a games system here and the most important thing here is graphics performance, and to graphics performance bandwidth matters much more than latencies. Unless you think MS is stupid (that's another debate), cuz they didn't pick the lower latency 1866mhz modules And stop with this ridiculous claim of 4gigs being enough for games. Its not, especially with all the higher res/higher quality assets that we are gonna want. I bet you by the middle/end of this gen you'll wish they had gone with even more. Devs can eat up the memory real quick And the X1 is overpriced and underpowered in comparison, PEROID!
What is a peroid?
"And the X1 is overpriced and underpowered in comparison, PEROID!" -oh please that's a fanboy statement if I ever heard one, hell even if we assume the eSRAM will do nothing X1 is st8ll far from underpowered. Also Death is correct Kinect v2 by itself actually costs alot more than $100.
A f-up "period", I accidently messed up, oops and to Jokes, in comparison to the PS4, yes it is, its technically inferior and costs more. And the difference isn't as small as you MS fanboys try and make it out to be. Its actually pretty significant. Why cant you phony a$$ fanboys get that!? Nevermind, I already know the answer to that (hint: its called fanboyism) And according to fanboys, now stating a fact makes you a "fanboy". FACT: PS4 is technically superior! Stating a fact isn't fanboyism, except to a biased, deluded fanboy mind. Deal with it! Now does that mean 3rd party games will show it? I highly doubt it, but it will because of programming parity, not PS4 and X1 being equal. and p.s. I wouldn't even pay $59 for a Kinect, its a waste of money for me, I don't care for that sh!t, sorry. I prefer my money go towards a more powerful hardware.
Yeah man, it'll be much better without them.
Im a supporter and i dont feel as if ive been laughed at as much as bitched out
"Every time you buy a used game you are directly taking food from the mouths of the people who made that very game you are enjoying." The same tired argument over and over and over and over. Guess what, every time someone buys a car from a random person down the street, they are taking food from the mouths of the people who made that very car they are enjoying. "Every week or two we hear about a different big developer or publisher laying off often times hundreds of people." It can't possibly be because those developers/publishers are making sub-par games, or take established, loved franchises and dumb them down so much that not even the masses care about them. Can't have anything to do with broader economic concerns that have affected many industries over the past few years. Nope, its gotta be the used games. "Well guess what? When you buy a used game you are a pirate." Supremely incorrect, from a legal standpoint (at least in the United States). First of all, someone paid for that copy of the used game already. After that, as with virtually any product, you are able to do whatever you want with it (as long as it's not physically harming someone or mass producing it, obviously). The author of this is being manipulated by companies who use used video games as a scape goat for much larger issues. Unless the author is, as they say, "trolling". Perhaps? Maybe?
Very well said! Hit the nail on the head! Also don't forget the bloated projects from a cost perspective (RE 6)
Because clearly a car and a video game are the same. Here's the flaw in your analogy, when you buy software you are granted one license to use it. It is not transferable per the user agreement in the game that you clearly haven't read or understand. When you take the car you plan on reselling,you also need a license to operate it. You pay for this license annually and can not sell the license. In order for someone to drive the car you sell, they need to get a license to do so. The evil DRM that so many are afraid of enforced the User Agreement that you agree to in order to play the game you bought. If it is traded, the new user pays the license fee again, just like your car you sold. With games you own the plastic, but are only granted one license and it is not transferable. The game industry has had no way to enforce the license or user agreement until technology caught up. Today, all digital downloads adhere to the User Agreement and single license fee. The proposed DRM by Microsoft gave you the ability to enjoy the benefits of an all digital library, but still trade in the game with retailers paying the license fee on the resale to the publisher/developer. Gamers so called "rights" were not infringed on, the User Agreement was enforced and the people responsible for creating the work got paid.
And don't forget the obvious.. They clearly stated they would not impose restrictions on 1st party titles. And 3rd parties could utilize the DRM features if they choose.. Well guess what? They can choose to implement stricter DRM whenever the hell they want anyways.. Microsoft provided a simple platform to protect users from clumsy DRM methods that are way more annoying then a online pass Point being.. There was ZERO evidence anyone was going to use it in the near future anyways.. But if you think DRM won't rear its head on your ps4, you are delusional.. It has nothing to do with hardware makers, rather software developers.. And these 3rd parties make games for PS too.. Think they'll only bother restricting one platform? Lmao
@Death Exactly. There was a great YouTube video I saw on the topic that made excellent, detailed points as to why the video game industry is completely different from other industries, in that their only revenue stream comes from the direct sale of new games. Basically... Cars - what you said, plus the fact that cars are more of a necessity purchase than a luxury (in most cases). EDIT: also cars deteriorate in condition over time and usage. Their value goes down as well. However, a game is the same experience whether new or used, barring any DLC or online pass code usage) Movies - theater exhibition, broadcast, streaming, digital download, and on-demand revenue. Music - radio broadcast, streaming, digital downloads, and live performance. But all video games have is the first sale. That is the only revenue stream coming from the original work and license. Used games hurt the industry more than the other industries because they simply do not make money for the publishers and the developers otherwise. And back to your original point, we've had it good for the longest time in terms of being able to sell, trade, and lend our games. It helps a lot of people who could not afford as much as they could without it. However, this comes at a cost to the people who actually make the games, and actually violates the end user licensing agreement of pretty much every game released in the past 20 or more years. Also, I will shed no tears when the Gamestops of the world start closing. They give a pittence of what games are worth to the people who paid full price and then turn around and sell it at the slightest of discounts, again, giving no money or compensation to the people who actually made the game. Still, Microsoft's methods were not optimal. Console-side DRM will never be embraced by the masses unless the benefits are clearly shown AND they must outweigh the rights (perceived or otherwise) that are given up for such a system. It has to be more than just family sharing and portability - we would need lower prices, fully realized content, no more nickel and diming on DLC, a more relaxed take on checkins and license transfer, and continued support on what we buy. Then it would work, or at least work better.
"Because clearly a car and a video game are the same. Here's the flaw in your analogy, when you buy software you are granted one license to use it. It is not transferable per the user agreement in the game that you clearly haven't read or understand. When you take the car you plan on reselling,you also need a license to operate it. You pay for this license annually and can not sell the license. In order for someone to drive the car you sell, they need to get a license to do so." "The evil DRM that so many are afraid of enforced the User Agreement that you agree to in order to play the game you bought. If it is traded, the new user pays the license fee again, just like your car you sold. " The license you use to operate a car is not something that is meant to financially benefits the car manufacturer or designer. It is so that your ability to operate a vehicle safely is established. The money you pay annually is to keep services provided by the government, not the designer and manufacturer, up and running. If you prefer, I can use a different analogy. A TV, a bluray player, a golf club, a hair drier, etc. All of these, including a car as well, can be resold at the discretion of the one who buys it. This might hurt the designers/makers of the product, but legally we have the right to do so. Are you fighting for garage sales to be shut down to avoid such injustice? "per the user agreement in the game that you clearly haven't read or understand" And which game have I not read the User Agreement in exactly? There is nothing that I had to sign when purchasing Metro Last Light for 360 from Best Buy. There is no user agreement in the manual, box or within the in-game menu. There is warranty, returns, replacements and contact information.
@Dr Pepper "If you prefer, I can use a different analogy. A TV, a bluray player, a golf club, a hair drier, etc. All of these, including a car as well, can be resold at the discretion of the one who buys it." The problem with your examples is that they are all consumables. They will work perfectly for a certain amount of times, and then their performance will degrade until they do not work anymore. Video games are different because they are software. The data will work the same way the first time you use it as it will on the 9 millionth time you use it. Sure, discs can scratch or be damaged, but through normal use and proper care, they will read pretty much forever. And even if they don't, the data on them is still the same and would work regardless of the disc condition. Add this with my comment before in regards to the lack of alternate revenue streams for the actual game (not including DLC or microtransactions, as they are separate), and you have to admit that video games are unique, or at least uncommon when it comes to products. Should they be subject to the same rules as other products? As of now, legally they are all lumped together. But that doesn't mean that it's right.
I own a PS3 and a 360, a PC and several Android devices, and will own a PS4 and an XB1. But it really does make me laugh all these pro Sony people falling all over themselves over how great Sony is. I just bought Last of Us a week ago and when I opened the case to pop the disc in what did I see in the case? Online Pass. That's right. First party developer. Where's your god now fanboys?
@ creatchee "The problem with your examples is that they are all consumables. They will work perfectly for a certain amount of times, and then their performance will degrade until they do not work anymore." "Video games are different because they are software. The data will work the same way the first time you use it as it will on the 9 millionth time you use it. Sure, discs can scratch or be damaged, but through normal use and proper care, they will read pretty much forever. And even if they don't, the data on them is still the same and would work regardless of the disc condition." You used the phrase "with proper care" which I would avoid if one is to be using your argument, because that can be said of many products. A few years ago, I went and helped my parents with a garage sale and somebody bought my dad's 25-30 year gold clubs. I have no idea WHY someone wanted them (maybe rare?) but they were still in damn fine condition. Should we treat such an item as unsellable if it retains its working condition over many years? And by the way, game discs can degrade over time, even without being mishandled. If this is such a critical issue, it's strange that CD Project Red, an anti DRM developer, has the funds to open a new studio. It doesn't seem they are hurting financially at the moment, even with used sales of The Witcher 2 on 360. Then, lets compare that to Square Enix complaining about Hitman sales. First of all, it was already in the millions sold, and secondly (more importantly), they altered the franchise from how previous games like, Blood Money, played. Now, do we blame such things on used games? Or do we blame the developer for stripping out what made the series great and therefore not enticing fans to purchase their game? I don't think I'm going to be blaming used games on that one.
Exactly. If he wants to give the indutry money, he can buy all his games new. I only buy used when i have to, but i realise not everyone has the same luxury as me.
Because you're dumb. Look no further.
Digital is still there. If you don't want any rights and want to be ripped off, then you can still do it. No one is stopping you. Just because you want to do that doesn't mean everyone else wants to, and THATS why MS reversed their dumb policy.....
im not even gonna attempt to read the article,that title alone just lets everyone that your an idiot,there is no reason to bring those policies back at all.
So, because you want used games away you're willing to sign a petition to bring back policies that are anti-consumer and restrictive...and not just concerning used games. No offense, but I hope you realize how stupid that is.
Used games were never taken away. The games had to be traded at an authorized retailer that paid the publisher to re-license the game. This is not anti-consumer, it's enforcing the User Agreement printed in the manual of every game. Used games are anti-developer and anti-publisher. The current used game model syphons money from those that create them and gives it to the retailer. Anti-consumer would be the retailer making more than a 50% profit margin off of their customers.
Microsoft attempted to usurp the first sale doctrine, or at least discourage it to the point where it mattered little. But, to your point about used games......... If anybody should be blamed, it's the publisher. They reduced the potential profits for new games to as little as $2 or so for every $60 retail game. So, I cannot blame GameStop or GAME for circumventing that by pushing used games so frequently. Still, for most publishers used game sales don't hurt the bottom line that much. Occasionally it will lead to a well received game like Mirror's Edge to not get a sequel (well, until now), but it's actually a great way for a game to get notice it otherwise wouldn't have gotten. Plus, while I don't trade in games, there are quite a lot of gamers who use old games to buy more games, especially new ones. If Microsoft had it's original policies in place, not only would it likely effectively kill trade ins (and probably severely hurt used games in general); but virtually all forms of "non approved" methods of sale would be banned, including eBay and selling to a friend/coworker. This basically means whenever you pay for a game, you really are just renting it. Can I say that used games are good for the industry? No. But can I say they are evil either? No. Personally, I try to support DEVELOPERS by purchasing new copies of games whenever I can. However, sometimes it's very hard to find a new copy of a game. Sometimes I don't exactly want to support a company (Capcom) but I want to play their game legally - so I buy it used. Sometimes I'm unsure if I will like a game, but I can buy it rather cheap used and have little financial risk if I dislike the game. Microsoft wasn't completely cutting out used games entirely, they were just simply making it so inconvenient that most would do it very little. I can assure you that it would lead to fewer game sales, which is good for no one. As a consumer I want options - Microsoft didn't want us to have any. That's anti-consumer.
They aren't anti-consumer.. They are anti-moron..
Oh the irony.
I don't get it... there was such a loud outcry against the policies of the X1 before the change, it's baffling to think there are those who actually want it back.
We should probably just blame it on the PlayStation Fans again. That usually makes them feel a lil better =)
I wish I could give you 50 bubbles. +1 agree
Remember when they said Killzone would be the Halo killer? Hahahahahaha!!!
Because your an idiot who has piss poor taste in gaming and loves to get raped as a consumer? Maybe that's why you signed the petition?
"Every time you buy a used game you are directly taking food from the mouths of the people who made that very game you are enjoying" - I find this to be a very stupid argument. Books, DVDs and Audio CDs get resold all of the time, why do game developers think that they are special in some way compared to these? I will not support any platform that directly dictates what I do with the games that I buy. If I want to sell the games that I've bought in the past, I will. Although I don't do this.... I keep all of my games so I can enjoy in the future. But I am not going to be bound by some stupid digital limitations which don't give me any benefit at all.
I'm pretty sure you really don't want to know how books dvd's and music are different from used games, but here's a video that does an excellent job of explaining it. http://www.youtube.com/watc...
First of all Microsoft wasn't going to completely stop used games, they were trying to own the used games market , by using them Azure servers or whatever they're called so that every time you buy or sell a used game MS gets a slice, basically they were trying to be the new gamestop. Now if we ignore that and assume MS was trying to stop used games all together then basically , your reasoning is that you want them to take away your rights just so the fat cats who run and own the big publishing companies (like EA and Activition , capcom) can get a lil boost to their salaries and their yearly bonuses, (or you're the naive type who actually thinks all the extra money gonna go straight to the developers ?), not only that , you want them to take away the rights of the millions of xbox gamers who don't agree with you and actually care about their rights , dude if you don't like used games don't buy them , it's optional ,you can even buy digital only, also you can go PC gaming , at least steam got good prices and offline mode . also i believe stopping used games on PC caused even more piracy than before, if you don't believe me just visit ANY torrents site.. It is your right to sell a game if you want to, it is your possession , even if the digital data in it is copyrighted because once you sell the game you cant play the game again and only the current owner of that disc will be able to play that digital data. Let's say you bought Aliens: Colonial Marines on the first day for 60 bucks thinking it was good , then found out how much of a joke it is, do you really wanna be stuck with that game for ever ???just so a lil extra money goes to the developer and publisher? Randy Pitchford would be glad i guess lol And you wonder why some crazy ps fans go troll the petition for laughs, it's because of guys as gullible as this (no offense).
Zero went back to Microsoft unless they published the game. All proceeds went back to the publisher and it was between them and the agreement with the developer on how it was divided. Not all games have demos. With the family share plan, you could digitally borrow a friends copy of Aliens to see if it was right for you. Steam did not have great deals when it first came out. Microsoft hasn't even launched the system and you already know they wouldn't have had good sales?
Where do you live?.... So I can give you a good smack
i honestly dont get why some people go to the extend of insulting an x1 suppporter. if they want the x1... let themget the x1. sure, i made a few jokes about the x1... but they are just that... jokes. personally i'm buying the ps4. but if some of my friends wanna get the x1.. i'm not gonna stop them.
I'm not insulting an X1 supporter, I'm simply giving my opinion on why I'm not going to buy that piece of crap. If somebody else wants to buy it then it's their decision.
well... i didnt direct my comment to anyone particular here.
This guy... can I find him and beat him with a stick?
He's a Sony fan, so if you feel the need to, I guess so. That'd be pretty messed up tho.
Don't lump gaming fans who prefer Sony like me in with people like the author of this nonsense. He represents ALMOST everything that's wrong with people in the industry right now. The gaming community would be MUCH better off without people like him in it. At the least, such ridiculousness should have as small a voice as possible. I mean, hell, I'm all for opinions and personal preferences, but the level of ignorance in this article is staggering. If you'll note the comments at the bottom, JJ Barrington is my reply to it.
Why you want DRM back? Because you are either too young to know better, or too stupid to care. http://www.youtube.com/watc... lol around 5:15 is my favorite
What do you care anyway? Why are you Sony fanboys always railing against a system that provides healthy competition to your favourite system and helps keep them competitive? Every time MS does something you guys don't like (which is everything they do) you guys act like someone's mugging your mum in the back alley. A little maturity goes a long way.
Ummm well because when you don't stand up to corporations, it comes back to bite my a** in the long run. Is that really that hard to see? You being ok with someone taking your ownership rights from you sets a precedent for others to do the same thing. You being ok with a corporation putting a camera inside your house that has 'data gathering' technology sets a precedent for others to follow. Next thing I know, my toaster is 'always on'. Can't you step out of your company loyalty for just one minute and think before you say something like that?
Fixed the title: "Why I signed the petition to destroy gaming, and everything it stands for"
Wow you Strollny don't get it do you, the old policy was ok except for the 24hrs crap. even though we are mostly connected online, why because this Gen the best online gaming service is XBL, and that means most Xbots are always online anyways
Sadly, most people still don't even know the actual facts of what the scheme offered, because they are either too lazy to look it up or just can't understand it. So they trash what they don't understand. I've seen so much misinformation on this site it really makes me sick. You have people regularly saying to this day on here that under the old system you couldn't sell physical games at all which is completely untrue. If everyone had rallied against only the 24h limitation I am sure that could have been changed instead of freaking out and having the entire thing yanked. But there's a lot of people that go off half cocked without having all the information and start getting worked up and spewing nonsense.
Most people were misinformed about the Xbox Ones policy because Microsoft did a horrible job of explaining it to the public. I actually tried to search for a clear explanation of their DRM policy but every interview that I found had a different explanation. It literally made no sense to me and many others suffered the same fate. When people are confused about a product they are less likely to buy it because unclear information just causes the product to give out a negative signal. If Microsoft gave out clear information on their policies from the very first day of the unveiling they would have avoided all this confusion and misinformation that was spread across the internet. Motorola RAZR i
did because i'm a dumbass cross your mind
Everyone's going to hate me but I want it back. So then it gets left out and everyone jumps on the ps4 bandwagon.
It should be optional. Personally I'd opt in if it was an option. The ability to let my fam play my games from miles away is far better than the $15.86 that game stop will give me a week after I spent 60$ on a game. I don't care about always online because my 360 has be plugged in since day 1. It should be optional or a different tier of xbl gold.
Regardless if it's Xbox one fans and or Playstation 4 fans you are both dumb as one and the other And by these comments you have proved my point thank you
This guy is an idiot and I am sure he was the same person like all of us was hating MS for this forceful move. Franklym I am sure the DRM Mive could have been done without such control and restrictions.
Simple! Opt out by default! If you opt in you reap the whirl..i mean benefits of what's coming to you.
He isn't a troll but he is? And this is on the front page.