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Atari founder: "Microsoft screwed up with the Xbox One reveal"

Atari founder Nolan Bushnell talked how Microsoft screwed up with their Xbox One reveal, in his opinion.

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allformats3956d ago (Edited 3956d ago )

Yes they did. But it wasn't simply happenstance, it was arrogance mixed with overconfidence, and the insatiable lust to rip more monies from the already overspent gamer.

It backfired. It had to. Microsoft's vision for gaming is dismal, disappointing and saddening.

Thank goodness for Sony who had the balls to stay away from DRM,and the blocking of used games. It's the only reason MS backpedaled.

LaChance3956d ago

Thank God for MS otherwise Sony would have come out with a 800$ console and ask us to get a third job this time around.

CBaoth3956d ago

that pretty much got handled by Microsoft this time around.

S2Killinit3956d ago

have you thanked Sony for sticking up for gamers yet? (;

badz1493956d ago

Atari is just taking a jab at Phil Harrison who left them for M$!

"Take that, Phil!"

Clarence3956d ago

The ps3 cost $840 Sony sold it at a lost.

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Ritsujun3956d ago (Edited 3956d ago )

Aww LaChy, why so mad, dumped by Pon Patrick?

Retroman3956d ago

"MS screwed up with xboner"

tell us what we dont know!!!
duh !!!!

Hicken3955d ago

Yeah... probably not.

insomnium23955d ago

Sony never even asked for us to get a second job so I have no idea what you are babbling about. Fanboy BS?

Funnymonkey0133955d ago

U should be thinking Sony 4 not using drm and the whole used games thing. Pluse they learned with ps3 that overprice will hurt them . where is ur brain just wondering cause all I c in it is full of ms shit in it u dumb f.ck fanboy:)

Funnymonkey0133955d ago

I should be thinking Sony 4 not using the whole drm used games and 24 hours check in BS yo. plus Sony has learn that pricing to high would hurt them and go figure it's 100$ less then the shit box so ur comment is pointless really it's sad there's so many brain dead people like u r in earth.

BOLO3955d ago

Stupid Xbot is stupid.

hakesterman3955d ago

Sony was going to win this time around no matter what, it was their Destiny.........

TheSaint3955d ago

You need a better first job.

dudeOplenty3955d ago

Why is it that when the Xbox 360 is $500 and the PS3 is $600, price is a main arguing point for Xbots. But when the X180 is $500 and PS4 is $400, the discrepancy is ignored.

You people just spout all the garbage MS tells you about it being worth your while because it's magic, as though you will be getting a home for you and your loved ones in the cloud.

MazzingerZ3955d ago (Edited 3955d ago )

I doubt I would purchase a 800 EURO console...anyway, the PS3 WAS WORTH 599 when i got it, opened the package and compared to my X360...silent, shinny pretty, slot loading DISC drive, upgradable HDD, solid HW (could use it to demolish a house), NO power brick, BR player, built-in Wi-fi, controllers used lithium batteries, optical audio output, HDMI, Bluetooth and so on...

Actually my noisy and plastic cheap X360 became all of the sudden expensive...by that time I had already purchased, 2 years of XBLG (100 EURO), battery charge-packs...add that the launch price and that I got RROD later on, it's was easily and saddly more expensive...

MSFT screwed up because they REALLY believed ALL people got their console because it was the best console and can't live without it rather than some of them partially because it came out first and yeah, learned to loved it...so they thought that they could implement of those restrictions and people will just accept it

Now they have realised (a little too late) that many of that early adopters are not married with the console and they are going again through the process of evaluating the best option for 1st next gen console purchase, the difference is that this time both launch at the same time.

MSFT seems to be rushing the X1 this time again, but like I wrote, difference is that SONY is launching at the same time and those flaws in the launch of their console will be more obvious as we will be able to directly compare with SONYs console and viceversa...SONY lied as well during the PS3 launch, with that HOME video streaming, sharing, cross-game chat, etc

Let's see who really planed to launch the console Q4 2013 and who didn't...right now it looks like SONY is not having to much trouble, every step seems to be well planed.

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MikeyDucati13956d ago

It doesn't take balls. It takes providing something that the competition does not. That's just the nature of business.

Manic20143956d ago

If there was a very small negative backlash than Sony for sure would of gone with the DRM but im glad the gaming community is vocal and now both consol's will not be DRM implemented.

Hopefully the Xbox one will continue on the right track and both consol's will become huge success.

CGI-Quality3956d ago

There's no guarantee of that. Just because MS tried to get away with something doesn't mean Sony would have followed suit. I hate how they are always compared like they are one-in-the-same. Lest we forget before MS entered this industry, Sony's highest releasing platforms were $299?

MasterCornholio3956d ago

"If there was a very small negative backlash than Sony for sure would of gone with the DRM"

The problem with that theory is that Sony mentioned at their Febueary event that the PS4 wouldnt require any sort of internet connection in order to play games. This eliminated any possibility of Sony implementing an online DRM system which is what Microsoft wanted to use for the XBOX One. On top of that Yoshida confirmed to the press that they already decided the fate of DRM early on in the development cycle. Which again prevents them from incorporating a Microsoft like DRM system.

If Microsoft didnt get any backlash for their DRM system Sony would have continued with their original plans and that was to release a console that wouldnt support an online DRM system.

Manic20143956d ago

@CGI-Quality
There was alway's a probability of Sony Implementing a similar version of DRM as after the xbox one unveil, PS Fan's and gamers all round had gone vocal on the DRM protest both for the PS4 and X1. There after they Sony Exec's tweeted "We are listening" if there were not to include DRM they would of just tweeted the rumours are not true but instead they tweeted we are listening to the gamer's whom are being vocal. After the PS4 unveil in feb many rumor's included of being DRM related. Question were asked over time to the executives' they replied by neither confirming or denying the rumor's and pulling some PR crap. Tretton had already stated that the DRM was an option for them but the opted out.

btw read this article
http://www.tomshardware.com...

@MasterCornholio
True they mentioned no internet is required to play tegame's but in MS case the console needed the connection to Check in but you still can play offline. They just have a much superior PR method than MS. Though if they did included DRM they could of chosen a different technique. There is also proof of DRM being patented by Sony in lated 2012 to be specific it was intent of use were for Games.

btw read this article
http://www.tomshardware.com...

in the end it was because of MS backlash more likely that sony opted out.

pixelsword3956d ago (Edited 3956d ago )

"There's no guarantee of that. Just because MS tried to get away with something doesn't mean Sony would have followed suit."

Well, Sony's charging to play online for the PS4, and the only thing that kept them from doing DRM was people complaining about having to pay to use the online, so that comment has merit.

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AngelicIceDiamond3956d ago

They screwed up the reveal and had DRM. MS learned its lesson much, much quicker than I anticipated. At least MS is doing things right early, rather than later.

MS arrogance got shot down quick.

Ausbo3955d ago

DRM eventually is gonna happen. When all digital happens, drm will come with it.

iceman063955d ago

I agree with you. However, there are many ways to implement DRM. Many of those ways still offer better systems and choices than that of MS. It's not WHAT they were doing as much as HOW they were doing it AND their lack of a clear and concise message as to the benefits of the MS future.

Consoldtobots3955d ago

this is what alot of us meant when we said "you never want a gaming industry with MS in charge". Imagine if they were the only game in town. They would be shoving all this draconian garbage down consumers throats and lol the whole time. Of course they would cause another gaming crash but thats for another topic.

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Gekko363955d ago

@allformats - i wouldn't say that sony had the balls to stay away from DRM I would say that sony's scrotum shrivelled up when this topic came up. The new functions Microsoft were trying to explain (badly I admit) were to embrace the future of digital downloads and at the same time stop abuse of the feature.

I had no issue with this and was a bit miffed when they took it back. I buy games new and never sell them, I have a 89mb internet connection and don't care about @tyre waffling on about american nsa paranoia.

It was Microsoft who had the balls to test the waters for this way of doing things and when the minority core gamers bitched and whined Microsoft backed down.

This is the real crime, that the people on this site suggest they have more insight in the business and future proofing than the companies them selves.

xion873955d ago

I see, so by your logic Sony had the balls to test the waters for all digital before that with the pspgo, and the acceptable price point with the ps3.

What Microsoft may have been trying to do could have been interesting (and yes the explaining was awful), but when it came time to explain themselves it was clear these policies where poor or being changed on a weekly basis. When they themselves have no solid plans or explanation for how they would practically handle the used game market or rental industry that should sound off all kinds of alarm bells.

For a company so 'future' centric it completely lacks foresight; no, saying we have some kind of plan we can't discuss is not good enough.

The real crime is that you are all to eager to sell over your rights with not so much as a single self appropriated thought, better yet you think they are some bastion of justice...

I wouldn't praise them for testing the waters, just as I won't praise the ps3 initial price point or pspgo ditching all physical media. They are not brave soldiering decision, they are the result of poor business decisions.

Gekko363955d ago

@Xion87 - Selling my rights to a corporation is a little far fetched I must say!

YES, Microsoft needed to make the process clear and did a poor job of it, however to say that customers are selling away there rights is an unfair argument. People are choosing an eco-system when they either buy a PS4 or XBOX One. They are making a choice to game in that companies eco system. I chose XBOX (I never buy Japanese brands) and with it I saw a slight variation to Steam and that suited me down to the ground.

There will be a lot of people who feel the same way. To characterise opting for one as selling your right and the other as salvation is very unfair.

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Manic20143956d ago

I think Don Mattrick Screwed the Xbox one, When he first took the job he stated that he wants to make the gaming industry digital. Glad that he is gone and now hopefully the xbox one will stay on te right track since they have come back on track after the 180 but the kinect and price is an issue still to be fixed.

Automatic793956d ago (Edited 3956d ago )

They just did not show enough games. If they would have extended the one hour reveal and showed games and all the other functionalities it would have gone much better.

Manic20143956d ago

True though they redeem themselves during E3 on the gaming counterpart but as a whole they never justified the console. Glad they backtracked on the DRM shit. Now until the launch they have to prove why choose the xbox one but as of now i only see couple of reason's to buy the console.

Automatic793956d ago (Edited 3956d ago )

I agree the games looked fantastic. Now that the DRM issues are in the past. They can focus on games and the system or how well the intergration of kinect, smartglass, Game DVR and even cloud work with Xbox One. Gamescon is around the corner which they have mentioned will have more exclusives. They are also planning on attending TGS. I am interested in hearing more about the system in upcoming events.

S2Killinit3956d ago

it wasn't the fact that they didn't show games that bothered people (well at least me) it was the "why?" they didn't show games when revealing a gaming console...

HmongAmerican3955d ago (Edited 3955d ago )

MS did that on purpose just to generate hits/hype/talks. MS also revealed always online DRM demo just to test out how gamers gonna react to it, again to generate hits and we all fall for their PR. E3 they show the games but sadly failed to address DRM because they got lots of negative feedback. Then when they saw the pre order not going as planned. MS drops always online.

Nodoze3956d ago

Nolan Bushnell - Master of the obvious

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Microsoft Survey Asks About Handheld

A new survey from Microsoft has further hinted at the possibility of an Xbox handheld being in development.

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EasilyTheBest2d ago

This is definitely happening, I just hope they have 2 versions one with a much bigger screen.

GamerRN1d 23h ago

I'll be happy with this, and a PC console hybrid that rivals anything we have power wise

thesoftware7301d 21h ago

A much bigger screen than what?

Number1TailzFan1d 20h ago

The problem with bigger devices is playing them on your side in bed, Vita and before that was fine. Since the Switch you gotta have a gooseneck holder & controllers detached so you can lie down holding them, or your arm will quickly get tired.

1Victor1d 4h ago

@thesofware: “A much bigger screen than what?”
A gaming laptop 🤷🏿🤣

Kosic1d 4h ago

Than the screen originally planned...duh... :D

darthv721d 5h ago

it kinda already did... https://www.xbox.com/en-US/...

They are just gauging interest in one of their own.

crazyCoconuts1d 3h ago

A Xbox version of Logitech G-Cloud?
I mean, why bother? Not like the G cloud is flying off shelves and what would Xbox add to make it better?
They're surely not going to create bespoke architecture here and there are already a few Windows handhelds out there. I have little confidence in their ability to put together an attractive UI in the way Steam did. So I doubt anything will come from this.

KicksnSnares2d ago

Day One buy for me if they'll make a dedicated handheld device.

darthv722d ago

i have that logitech g-cloud. Its a sweet little piece of kit. I like that it can also install games from the play store unlike the other android based handheld.

mudakoshaka1d 23h ago

It sure is! Don't understand why you get the down-votes. Whoever does not like the G Cloud must have been dropped down a well, head first, when they were of a younger age.

PassNextquestion2d ago

I wonder if Microsoft will perform better in Japan if they do actually make a handheld since everyone says handheld and mobile are king over there.

TiredGamer2d ago

This looks like the future of the game industry... all three platforms with a handheld option.

I wonder if the Playstation Portal is a technology test-bed/prototype for a future Playstation handheld?

rlow11d 22h ago (Edited 1d 22h ago )

It’s a possibility but I can’t help but think would that be the best way to go about it? Though it would give you data on how much it is used and game type. It’s still not a true portable device and so people approach it differently. I think that data on phones, tablets, and of course the competition would give a better indication.

But I really think if Sony is considering a new PSP that could play ps5 games, now would be the time to dive in. Honestly, if they do this, it would be huge.

Traecy1d 20h ago (Edited 1d 20h ago )

Doubt if Sony PS wants to support a new handheld with first party games. Something they lacked with the Vita. What they should do is have a handheld that is like the PS Portal which can play all games but play those games on the go as well as at home. Something like that is a better investment.

TiredGamer1d 17h ago

Agreed that you will probably never see a separate line of games specifically for the handheld (a la PSP or PSVita). The modern economics and expectations of game development make that cost prohibitive. What makes more sense is if the full-fat game on PS5 or PS6 has a special "handheld" profile that is automatically optimized for the lower spec handheld. There would be some significant compromises compared to the bigger console variant, but it would be the same game overall and would only require a single purchase.... somewhat what the Switch does with a lower resolution when playing handheld versus docked.

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Xbox Games Showcase Followed by [REDACTED] Direct Airs June 9

- Xbox Wire - Mark your calendars! The Xbox Games Showcase followed by [REDACTED] Direct airs June 9. More info inside.

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bionicstar2d ago

Will they show Fable 4, Stalker 2, GoW 6 & Perfect Dark?

PhillyDonJawn2d ago

Crossing fingers for Fable and perfect dark. And State of Decay 3

RaidenBlack2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

And maybe Clockwork Revolution, South of Midnight, Contraband, Project 007 & OD? lol
and whatever happened to Everwild ?
+ that rumored Wu Tang RPG

Sonic18812d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Will they have official release dates and gameplay?

anast2d ago

Another game pass event with their plans to go all streaming.

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Lightning772d ago

It's an Xbox showcase that they have every year.

Make smarter comments for once.

anast2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Tell me what a smarter comment is.

If they don't sell game pass the entire time, then I will be wrong. All of this can be proven once the show gets underway. Let's wait and see.

InUrFoxHole1d 7h ago

@Anast
Anything you didn't type. Good day sir!

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Lightning772d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Wow too easy.

You went from MS going all streaming to selling gamepass content in which we all know they are.

Which one is it?

Pretty clear you don't know what a smart comment is at least you admit you don't know.

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anast1d 20h ago (Edited 1d 20h ago )

"Another game pass event with their plans to go all streaming."

It's both. I would worry about your own intelligence at this point. It seems that there is not enough to go around for you to worry about how smart other people are.

Lightning771d 20h ago

It's just a regular event announcing games. Nice one captain obvious they're gonna mention gp stuff like they do every year what else is new.

The all streaming part is just you, being you I guess. They have streaming options but going all streaming again is just you pulling stuff outta thin air.

anast1d 20h ago

You don't know what a smart comment is or isn't. You're welcome for the help.

Lightning771d 16h ago

No you said something dumb then you tried to back track and mention GP.

Again make smart comments for once.

anast1d 9h ago

And we have broken record syndrome.

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darthv722d ago

Wonder if they will address the handheld rumors....?

jimb0j0nes2d ago

For a brief moment I thought we might get a whole Direct for Gears 6 - seems like it's COD though!

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv727d ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle6d ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic18816d ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio6d ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Lightning776d ago

What he said was facts. How he plays games is no concern of you. Don't get too mad about it.

Cacabunga6d ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

darthv725d ago

to you it may seem like the minority... but your bubble is shrinking because more and more are following suit. convenience is a hell of a drug and its also why physical sales only amount to 30% of overall game sales. times are changing, you either get with them or you get left behind.

neutralgamer19925d ago

Darth

30% physical sales: yet Phil and xbox division are in a rush go give up on that 30%. they don't have any right to give up any piece of the pie since the control such a little of the pie to begin with

also, the market is clearly speaking that the model Xbox is pushing isn't working right now the keyword being right now. you are right about freedom to play anywhere so i hope they put their games on steam

shinoff21836d ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga6d ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

itsmebryan6d ago

@shin
Well keep it simple Sony 's operating income is down 26% and Microsoft's is up 32%. No MS spin there, just facts. 😉
Cheers

S2Killinit5d ago

MS is after diminishing consoles as a medium. They want to destroy this market because they couldnt win. MS’s vision is to dissolve console gaming.

romulus236d ago

Odd that a company that touts you dont need the hardware to play is already touting another console in the works.

darthv726d ago

They are not reliant on the HW but still want to maintain a presence (no matter how small) is a good thing. It shows commitment to the craft. It reminds me of SNK and how they made games for their own hardware (Neo Geo) while also making them for others because they knew there was a market to do so. They knew they would sell more to others but also sell to their own niche fan base.

TheEroica5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

Perfectly reasonable post down voted by insecure corporation friendly folk.... But not gamers. Real gamer want accessibility and ease of acquisition for all.... Company shills are the only ones still telling us that hardware locking people from games is good for us.

Chevalier5d ago

@Darth

You should stop parroting metrics like an idiot without context.

"Xbox content and services revenue grew 62% in Q3 from a year earlier, “driven by 61 points of net impact” from the purchase of the third-party video game giant, Microsoft said."

61 of the 62% was from their merger so net increase is ONLY 1%

https://www.mesaonline.org/...

itsmebryan5d ago

@chevalier

It looks like made a great purchase. Much better then Sony buying Bungie. 😉
Cheers

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purple1016d ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos6d ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

DOMination-6d ago

In the last two years they've started exiting the consumer market altogether. All of the newest Surface products are business models only. They can't seem to work out what they want to do with it.

XBManiac6d ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple1016d ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic6d ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

MrDead6d ago

The only growth MS will get out of the console industry is if it supports it's rivals platforms. Xbox is a pointless machine now. I can see them on a big push for live next, and they won't give up on trying to buy Steam.

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