PlayStation 3: Power, Pure And Simple.

Sony's PlayStation 3, a different beast from its PlayStation predecessors, is a video game system sturdy enough to be the centerpiece of a home-entertainment system. The PlayStation 3 is not a plastic toy; Sony's focus, this time, is on power -- pure and simple. The goal with the PlayStation 3 is to push cutting-edge technology that, while expensive and difficult to develop for today, will be around for years to come.

[OutLaw]

Good article especially this:

There should be no rush to declare winners and losers. However, one thing that seems clear is that Sony's dominant video game market share is destined to decline. For the past 10 years, video game developers have thrived on Sony's PlayStation platforms. It has been possible for companies to make a great living solely off the PS One-/PS2-installed base. Even if the PS3 is the best-selling system, it appears Microsoft and Nintendo will increase market share.

[TheMART]

But still the article doesn't give what it almost indicates.

The PS3 spec's to proof it's power... RSX still no spec's?

Would you buy a PC GPU also if you didn't knew the specs but had to pay 600 dollars? In that case, I have a nice one here for you Sony fans. (I won't tell ya the specs allright? Geforce 2 cards aren't that popular anymore)

Oh yeah and this one is funny:

"So why did the PS2 succeed?"

What about it did through lying, then the Dreamcast dying. Headstart to the XBOX and with an installed consumerbase games were coming for it garantueed? As it will with the 360 now with 10 million users this Christmas???

[Antan]

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[Watapata]

Your logic is completely flawed and you prove yourself a fanboy at every turn. You retain not one ounce of objectivity in any of your recent posts. Far as specs, lets see here Mart, do you have the technical training to FULLY understand those specs and derive an accurate conclusion from them? I highly doubt it. Fact is 99% of the consumer market would look at those specs anyway and draw conclusions entirely on information that they don't understand. People will try to tell you they do, they'll say "hey I know what the clock speed means at that sort of thing" and they will only be half right. You don't understand without knowing all the basics that went into its design. So give it a rest already. Where is your criticism of Nintendo for not releasing essentially any of their specs? Everything there is not but rumor. The fact is that none of these companies are in the least bit required to provide specs and in fact in makes little sense. But honestly, who cares what the specs are, its what you get out of them that matters, and so far you have not even SEEN a single game played in person much less played one yourself, so withhold judgement until you do. As far as how the PS2 sold so well, the article is spot on and your presented logic does absolutely nothing to disprove it. Keep in mind that even after the XBox and GameCube launched, PS2 still outsold both every single month. PS2 sold as well as it did, not based on the merits of its hardware, but the merits of the games came out for it. With the exclusion of nothing more than a hand full of games, all the must have's were on PS2 and when that's the case, its obvious that it should have one, because its the games that matter most not your irrational need for company loyalty

[sparco]

This isn't news, this is just a fanboys attempt to show the PS3s power, which isnt realy that amazing after all (compared to the 360, its basically exactly the same). I still dont see the RSX specs. Are they that ashamed? I had a PS3 on order, but have cancelled it recently because i still dont know what im totally getting for that $600. Im gonna wait for the price to drop a bit before i get one i think.

[THAMMER1]

That is why I respect you bro. Your right no one would buy anything that was not fully understandable if they were smart. I work at a Bank and the #1 problem is that people never take the time to understand the products they just grab them and expect for it to operate like magic.
I think the PS3 is a great machine but the shadow of the PS2 is what makes it most appealing. But if has not passed the smell test for me yet because of all of the BS in the way.

[THE TRUTH]

How many 360 owners know the specs of the 360s gpu and cpu? More important is the question of how many of them want to know?

Mart you seemed obsessed with RSX, personally I don't care much about specs! Can I play specs? Furthermore all numbers can be swayed to make their impact seem bigger than what it is. Disguised numbers is something that has been a trend in this industry for a LONG TIME, I take it with a grain of salt and let the games speak for a power of a console!

[TheMART]

So why are Sony fanboys then always crying about the Cell? Which is nice for scientific use but not for games?

As you know, the GPU is important in graphics, thus in games. Ofcourse numbers aren't all. But it's interesting to have a fair comparing.

So when you say this, you buy a PC card without hearing the specs? I have never heard any PC gamer that not wanted to know the specs of a GPU. NEVER

Furthermore, the one game out there this Christmas that is really stunning, which is not only said by me but a lot of independent game reviewing sites, is Gears of War.

The importancy of this all is: being fair about the stuff you sell. Sony never is. See the PS2 with the TFLOPS, the emotion engine. All lies. It would have been better then Dreamcast and 2 as powerfull as the XBOX. Duh. Man even the Gamecube does better.

Ppl buy on lies, that is the problem. So Sony put the specs out before you start to sell them. Although no worries, they can't supply as much the coming months so tech's have the time to find out what the GPU is all about

Thammer1 thanks. Indeed. I have been in the insurance/mortgage business. Ppl know sh!t many times of a lot of things. Which I find strange. I want to know all. And if a company lies about stuff I distrust them untill they proof me otherwise.

That's with banks, insurances, consoleproducers, etc etc. Most people can spend their money once, so make a good choice. If I wanted I could give myself the PS3 not for Christmas, but for uh spring ;) but I won't untill I know the specs of the GPU and see some descent demo's running AND the price drops till about 400 Euro's max.

[LegendaryMark]

I did spot one interesting point. Amongst the reasons why the PS2 succeeded, the writer cites "kids' products, karaoke, the EyeToy camera" as well as a "very consumer-friendly $200 price range". Currently, I would argue that the PS3 has none of these (please correct me if I'm wrong on the camera front, wasn't sure on that one).

It seems to me that what will decide the next console war will be the time it takes Sony to GET these things (i.e. games for everyone, good peripherals and a friendly price point). Until then, they must hope that sales of their console will be driven by people (*cough* idiots *cough*) who buy it because it has the word "PlayStation" on the box and that Microsoft and Nintendo do not capitalise on the lead they currently enjoy.

[Watapata]

As far as karaoke, the PS3 does have Singstar which was briefly presented at E3 and as far as the EyeToy camera, the Eye of Judgement game would not work without. As far as kid's games, far as I can tell, so far you are right with the sole exclusion of sports games which are entirely accessible to everyone.

[THE TRUTH]

Your comparing apples to oranges here! PCs and consoles MAY seem similar but the way your trying to make the comparision is flawed my friend! I respect what your trying to say but, a PC is a whole differnent envirnment to develope games for! Of course people want to know the capabilities of a pricey GPU they buy for their PC but that information is just not needed because depending on your point of view it can all be very misleading!

Take for example last generation! The xbox had the superior hardware that on paper should have blown both gamecube and PS2 out of the water but that wasn't the case! Games like RE4, Ico, shadow of collosus, MGS4, Jak and drezter, God of war 1 and 2 and FF10-12 prove that you can't judge how a system will perform graphiclly on numbers and specs alone! Its all about the developers who are the most talented to ouch that console and create games that specs alone can't create!

Specs can be misleading but GAMES is where the specs come to life and ARE the final judgement of whether or not a system is fully capable of making mere specs truth or fiction!

You beg for specs to compare systems all you want but I haven't seen a spec sheet that explains how a game like RE4 is possible on gamecube!

[Watapata]

I believe you mean Jak and Daxter ;)

However, you are entirely correct. You cannot tell how games will perform on a system based on specs unless they are absolutely, ridiculously, separated by said specs.

Both Microsoft and Sony have skewed their specs to make their console appear to come out on top in the performance area. I happen to believe the PS3 is going to be the more powerful of the two based upon my own analysis of the specs provided for each console. This is also coming from the point of view of someone approaching graduation in Computer Engineering. I can't claim to know that the PS3 is more optimal for gaming, but I can tell anyone naive enough to think that the 360 is better for it based upon console/company loyalty, that the differences in architecture are so extreme that no one in the industry could tell you which is optimal because they take entirely different approaches. In fact, chances are that any game capable on the 360 is likely capable of being done on the PS3 with the same performance, just an increase in complexity at worst. However, the reverse is not necessarily true. It is much MUCH harder to go from a more complex architecture to an easier one because the changes are not always one-to-one, however anything that can be done (instruction wise) on the simpler architecture can typically be done in some form on the harder architecture. This lends at least a little bit of credence to the PS3 being the more capable of the two, however only the future will bare witness to whether that is true or not.

On a slightly related note that NO ONE here has mentioned in the slightest, the PS3 lends itself to assembly programming to get the most performance out of it, while the 360 lends itself to C-style programming. Any programmer worth anything should be able to tell you that assembly is by far the preferred method for getting the most performance out of hardware, assembly is inherently more efficient and faster in performance. Though compilers do take C code and restructure it and turn it into assembly code, even the best optimized C routines aren't half as fast as optimized assembly routines. For reference, a project I recently completed had me optimizing C code and assembly code on DSP's. The specific function I spent my time optimizing ran at around 90,000-125,000 clock cycles using the optimized C code and around 25,000 clock cycles running the optimized assembly code that I wrote. While the time and complexity of developing in assembly is significantly greater, the performance gains are clearly viable.

[LiquifiedArt]

The Mart is 14years old. So let him be. As far as im' concerned he has no say in this console war. Hes a Console "Newbie" he started with the xflop, and continues to wait for Halo3 on XFlop 360

[Watapata]

You aren't proving yourself to be any better with that comment. I respect you for some of the news you've posted, but you as much as anybody need to retain some objectivity in the discussions.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

In reference to specs, John Carmack a famed developer and genius said that both consoles are roughly equal in terms of power. However I believe that 360s dev tools will be one of their biggest benefits.

[THE TRUTH]

doesn't specialize in console games and is not a genius by any stretch of the immagination! What AAA titles does he have on the way for Wii, PS3 or 360? what does he know about the technology instide the 360, Wii or PS3. Please come with something more groundbreaking, I'd much rather hear YOUR opinion than YOU repeat what a self-proclaimed genius has to say!

[FKN Unbelievable]

Like said i'll wait for the Thinline version.
And since blu-ray is the main focus you can't get rid of it to make the system cheaper cause the games run on blu-ray discs. For all we Now the PS3 may be a Lemon but i will get it only for Tekken 6 and VF believe it or not but im in no rush. A Friend of mind is killin himself working 2 shifts a day to get a PS3 and he is dead tired all the time. i told him Ken Kutaragi said this is what we must to get one and i'll be damn if a Japanese man tell me i have to work harder to get his system. My own Baby mother don't tell me that sh1t f^ck is wrong with that nigga.

BTW You Must Inquire before spending $600 on anything....................AN YTHING.

[Arkham]

<shaking head> Wow. Where to begin...

[ApocalypseShadow]

truth.carmack hasn't made one console game so i have no respect for him when it comes to this side of the fence.if he would have made one gamecube,xbox or ps2 game(or any console for that matter) and it was a MEGA HIT,then i would listen to him.looking at the early games for ps3,it tells me it has the power to go toe to toe with 360.and out do it in many areas without even knowing what the spec for rsx is.doesn't mean the system will win.power isn't everything.but the features and more things happening on screen is telling me what system can do more out of the box.

[Shadow Flare]

but i think my favourite bit of the article had to be this:

"While Nintendo focused on its big-name, kid-friendly franchises and the Xbox resonated with the PC-centric acne crowd that love their games violent and bloody, the PS2 had something for everyone"

could anyone really argue with that?

[zonetrooper5]

To me the Xbox 360 and PS3 will be the same in graphics, power etc. In some places the PS3 will do better than the Xbox 360 but in other places the Xbox 360 will do much better than the PS3. As for PC's, you need to know more than the average consumer to tell which graphics card is better than another and if this ram will work with my computer to make it faster and load stuff quicker.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

Shadowgamer and The Bullsh!t

Um Carmack made a 360 and an xbox game. So what are you fanboys talkin about. And it doesnt matter if he hasnt developed for all consoles or not. He is a developer plain and simple. And he would surely know the technology for like I said he is a famed developer and is considered to be a genius and has seen specs for both consoles just like the rest of us and has probably had time with dev kits for all the consoles. I think you two need to do some research before you make a comment for it well um kind of makes you look stupid.

Had he said the ps3 is the more powerful console you would all be on his nuts.

Shadowflare- Thats a bullsh!t sterotype that isnt true just like all stereotypes for they are based off of opinion. Not everyone that plays xbox plays games on pc nor are they in their teens. I could post an article saying that ps2 resonated with the f@g dumbass crowd but not everyone who plays ps2 is a f@g and not everyone who plays ps2 is a dumbass although I wouldnt be surprised if you fit that criteria.

[Shadow Flare]

"Xbox resonated with the PC-centric acne crowd"

[ApocalypseShadow]

i could careless if he said ps3 was more powerful.i'm not a fanboy like you.doom 3 was ported.check your information.carmack has great respect with the pc crowd because that's all he knows.that and fps games and graphics to make fps games look better.he's done no fighting games,no racing games,football,rpgs,nothing.so why should i respect him more than miyamoto of nintendo,yu suzuki of sega and other developers who have made MEGA HITS in mutiple genres on CONSOLES(by themselves),but this guy does only ONE TYPE OF GAME.it's like a person singing the same song for ten years or a movie producer producing the same typs of movie.HE'S GOT NO RANGE TO HIS PROGRAMMING ABILITY.if he was a GENIUS,his games would sell in the millions more than the console games that have sold in the millions.and that's just from the "TWO" japanese deveoplers i mentioned.and one is not a SONY developer.ps3 does a lot of things 360 doesn't out of the box.THAT'S FACT.OUT OF THE BOX.IT'S RELEASING ONE YEAR LATER.THAT'S FACT.A SYSTEM RELEASING ONE YEAR LATER SHOULD HAVE EXTRA POWER AND EXTRA FEATURES A YEAR LATER JUST LIKE XBOX DID.WHICH I HAVE AND LOVE.STOP BEING A FANBOY.

[ApocalypseShadow]

did you READ the "POWER ISN'T EVERYTHING" or DOSEN"T MEAN THEY (SONY) WILL WIN" with that power?no! you didn't.the FANBOY in you thought by my attacking carmack,i was attacking microsoft and 360.you must not READ TOO WELL.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

"i could careless if he said ps3 was more powerful.i'm not a fanboy like you.doom 3 was ported.check your information.carmack has great respect with the pc crowd because that's all he knows.that and fps games and graphics to make fps games look better.he's done no fighting games,no racing"

1. Quake 4 was developed for the 360. Doom 3 was developed for xbox. So what if it was a port. And your point is?

2. You have no idea what exactly is all he knows so what the hell are you talkin about?

3. Like I said. Carmack is a developer. Whether its pc games,console games he knows it all. WhY? Devs know technology. And anyone dev who has a well found knowledge in technology can look at specs and tell you which is more powerful or if they are equal in power.

4. I didnt tell you to respect him. So what are you talki about fanboy. All Im sayin is that he is a developer who is more educated on the technology than anyone on this console you dumbass fanboy.

Stop being a dumbass. If a dev says they are equal (and by the way he hasnt been the only person to say they are equal)then I would believe him simply because he is knowlegeable in technology. If epic or sega or whoever came out and said the ps3 is more powerful then you would surely believe it so shutup and stop being a fanboy.

I honestly do not believe the ps3 is more powerful than the 360.

"did you READ the "POWER ISN'T EVERYTHING" or DOSEN"T MEAN THEY (SONY) WILL WIN" with that power?no! you didn't.the FANBOY in you thought by my attacking carmack,i was attacking microsoft and 360.you must not READ TOO WELL."

Hey fanboy where in my post did I say that sony will win the console war because the ps3 is more powerful? Guess What? I didnt.

MY point is that John Carmack went to school for this kind of stuff making him a very credible source in regards to the power of the console so stop being a fanboy and learn how to read without going off topic.

[Monchichi025]

And I qoute" PS3 will be around for a very long time!" LOL Is this exactly how the oh so powerful PS2 was promised to last over 10 years!!!!! LMAO

Oh please! Everyone knows that no matter how powerful a system is, it's shelf life is for roughly 5 years. Technology changes to fast and we as consumers expect a new system every 5 years. Just more lies from Sony.... Like always!!!

[Watapata]

The original PlayStation had a shelf life of ten years, what makes you think the PS2 won't as well, or the PS3 in the future? As long as they make them, they will sell, the only question is how well. Obviously the PlayStation sold well enough for them to keep producing more...so who knows...

[ApocalypseShadow]

is the REAL dumb person ja da.it just means you got pwned and can't come at me like an adult.just because he has knowledge of technology doesn't make him an EXPERT at console games.only at making FIRST PERSON SHOOTERS.if he hasn't made ANY,let me say this again,ANY console games,i don't care what he says.he didn't even program ANY games for the nes.and that system was easy back then.in my ORIGINAL POST,i said the ps3 will go toe to toe.didn't say better than wii,didn't say better than 360,i said toe to toe while having built-in features.you don't read.you took that as i'm attacking microsoft.if you have to defend him or the 360 about my comments,then you are the fanboy that needs to get a life because you have too much love for any of these companies.i love gaming as entertainment and a hobby,but i have NO LOVE FOR MICROSOFT OR SONY OR NINTENDO.ONLY GAMES.maybe you should try knitting or hemming dresses or something.that might relieve the stress you got built up over gaming by choosing sides.