Sony Nukes Microsoft at E3!

Sony took the stage at E3 and proceeded to rape Microsoft as hard as Microsoft intended to rape gamers. The crowd erupted in thunderous applause as Jack Tretton revealed the PS4 has no restrictions on used games. No requirement to stay online. No spying.

[Pope_Kaz_Hirai_II]

399 gg

[Urusernamesucks]

To be fair Microsoft won this e3. Because it was really all about the games. Since when does having the cheaper console win by default?lol. Also the used games has nothing with wich console won.
Software wise Ms wins

Hardware wise Sony wins.

[CaptainYesterday]

Oh come on us Playstation fans know better than to kick Xbox when they're down we are better than that much more classy.

[SpinalRemains]

I just spit my drink laughing at the Senator in pic.

That's a low blow but dam that's funny.

[PerryCaravello]

I love that meme.

the nintendo conference is going to suck so bad.... sry but its the truth

[rdgneoz3]

Can't be worse that MS'...

[PerryCaravello]

I think Sony nocked it out of the park, especially at the very end with the used game and price, so it's impossible for nintendo to really stand out.

I'll be watching though, less than 12hrs away lol.

I almost feel bad for nintnedo though. What could they possibly do... I wonder if their ceo will perform sepeku on stage lol.

[rela82me]

No one can say that the MS presentation wasn't well put together. The only real part that was sub-par was that pricing...man, I was really holding out for them to make a big move and take some ground back. Unfortunately the only real leg up MS has now is a few better looking game in my opinion.

I loved what they have to offer software wise, just their policies and pricing that are truly holding a great console down. I certainly hope they listen to the community on this one. The only combative strategy I could possibly see for this is to offer free membership for the first year, covering $60 of their $100 mistake. Maybe they could extend the check in time to a week to allow players to alleviate their fears a bit. Correct me if I am wrong though, they still do allow USED games right? The developers just have the ability to restrict it on their games or not.

Either way, getting either console you're still going to have an amazing experience and in lieu of all this drama people forget that is what this is all about. Sure I don't mind the restrictions if it doesn't affect me, I'll be happy to be playing great games.

Just saddens me that they have a few of those negative stigmas now that really depreciate the value of this possibly wonderful product. Here's to hoping for a miracle, for gamings sake.

[dethpuck]

who cares. my friends all already put money on x1. I'm getting a PS4 second. nobody plays PS currently in my circle of friends. that may change though with sony's stuff today.

[Jaqen_Hghar]

time to convine your friends otherwise and educate them. I'm sure a user's friends would welcome paying $100 less for no used game restrictions.

[PerryCaravello]

that's because you're a loser lol

no offense man...

[first1NFANTRY]

well you and your friends aren't the brightest of people then are you?

PS4 $399 #dealwithit

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[Double_O_Revan]

Go tell the DudeManBro squad, its time to switch sides.

PS4 has Call if Duty and Madden too. So it'll be OK.

[MysticStrummer]

I'd have had a 360 if I followed my friends. Now none of them has a 360 and they all game on PS3s.

It's not always a good idea to follow your friends. ; )

[NumOnePS3FanBoy]

AAAAaah the pathetic friends argument from xbox "gamers". funny

[Xof]

I think the biggest news is simply the price point.

Undercutting the Xbox by $100 is a huge point in Sony's favor, and the fact that they're nearly at the same price point as Nintendo's flaccid WiiU puts them in a -very- competitive situation.

I'm curious to see how Nintendo will react. Hopefully, they'll cut the WiiU's price before Wind Waker HD forces me to buy one.

[NextGen24Gamer]

LOL...The price difference is 40 dollars if you play games online. 439.99 plus a year of xbox live comes to the 499.99 price point for the xbox one. Plus you get Kinnect included for those who choose to use it, you get snap mode, Tv integration and interactivity...All for $40 dollars more than the ps4's 399.99 plus 5 dollars a month to play online games...which makes it 459.99 for a year.

39.99 is less than a tank of gas, less than a pair of new shoes, less than a designer jeans, less than the price of a new game, less than the price of a dinner for two at a decent restaurant. Who complains about 40 dollars when you can play xbox one exclusive games and all the added features that ps4 doesn't have.

It's funny to me, sony fans who never intended on buying an xbox one are making it seem like xbox one is done. No way, no how. But that price that you are sooooo excited for, is only 40 dollars cheaper than the xbox one(comes with a year of live) and the ps4...needs the online subscription to play online.

I pre ordered both today so I'm good. I don't miss out on any next gen games. First gamestop I went to, I got my ps4, but I went to 4 gamestops before finally getting my xbox one. Every store was sold out of preorders.

Hmmmm...looks like neither console is going anywhere and gamers win. Fanboys LOSE! LOL

[Parapraxis]

DEFEND DEFEND DEFEND!
It's sooo much fun seeing people like you so desperate to spin stuff at this point..it must be tiring huh?

Xbox One costs $499 , where did they say it was 439.99?
YOU ARE LYING ABOUT THE COST OF THE XBOX ONE!

[MRMagoo123]

Hey elite24gamer where is that big huuuuuge massive news you said was coming the one that insider you know told you about and stuff???

nice trying to spin it all plus where is the DRM you said sony was putting on the ps4, your ship has sunk you sad fanboy go home.

[Kastz]

That's kinda a moot point though. By lowering the price point they're not trying to entice wealthy people, but poor people, which makes up a considerable part of their target market.

[Kastz]

The main thing I dislike about the Xbox (and this is coming from an "Xbox fan boy") is that you completely lack the ability to lend a game to a friend. Sure, you can "trade a game" to another private party, but you're only allowed to trade once, and then you can't get it back. Albeit a small problem, the real fear lies in the fact that despite their target audience's opinion, Microsoft went ahead and implemented this anyways which shows a direct and blatant disregard for the opinions of their customers. This is frankly a poor business strategy, and is truly a testament to the times that we are in.

I feel that Xbox does have the up on the Kinect system though. Before anyone beats me over the head, consider this. If nothing else, you are essentially getting a remote that can control your entire entertainment system through your voice. I paid $550 for my last harmony remote - for a system that esentially does the same thing, but using your voice instead of a physical unit, it is well worth the $500 price point alone - but as a traditional gaming console there are certain small things that make it incredibly flawed.

I'll most likely get the Xbox 1 because I rarely use my Xbox for games anymore, it's become more of a netflix box than anything else, but if I still had the luxury of being able to waste hours upon hours in a game I feel PS4 would be the obvious choice.

[NextGen24Gamer]

This is what I love about the Xbox One

1. You can share your game with up to 10 family members. For me, I will have 4 xbox ones in my house. For online multiplayer games, I will no longer need to buy 4 copies of a game so we can all game together in my house. I can now buy 1 copy and install it on all 4 consoles and have a blast. Saves me money big time.

2. The games. I can't live without my Call of Duty community, Gears of War, Halo, TitanFall, Ryse, Forza looked spectacular and has been my favorite racing series for the last few years.

3. I don't know the details of used games and don't care. I never trade games in because when they give you 10 dollars or less for a game you spend 60 dollars for sucks. I hate doing that. Sometimes its laughable how little they give you for a game you once spent 60 dollars for. $1 dollar, $3 dollars...LOL...No Thanks!

4. I love Kinnect, the cloud, & all the extra bells and whistles included in the xbox one. Cool stuff and I'm excited about it.

5. I'm happy they require the console to be connected to the internet. All my devices are connected and I want my console connected too. This guarentee's cloud support from developers and could very well drive the prices down for games on the xbox one. So while the console may be 100 more than the ps4, maybe the games could cost less due to the DRM. If that happens, that would be a win win for gamers!

6. people say the ps4 is 50% more powerful, but I didn't see it in the 1st party games. The best looking game I saw was Ryse and that's an xbox one exclusive. Also, the xbox one is already stating that many games play at 60 fps and 1080p. So graphics doesn't seem to be limited on the xbox one like sony fans have tried to say. What people don't know is how the xbox one's custom CPU performs FOR GAMES!

Sony can sell 80 million ps4's and MS could sell 40 million Xbox Ones...

I will still prefer gaming and games on my Xbox One. No way am I going to go without the games that I want to play on the video game console that was built for the future.

I will have a ps4 for the exclusive games, but I will spend 80% of my gaming on the xbox one. I love the xbox one controller and I have never liked the sony controllers. For me its about the games and the fun to be had playing games.

I don't care who sells more. Sony will likely sell more due to lower costs and appealing to the gamers who trade games in and buy games used.

I know I'm not the only gamer who doesn't have a problem paying for quality and xbox live is by far has the most advanced user friendly online experience on a console!

[MRMagoo123]

You know you cant all play the same game at the same time on the xbone with only one copy right elite24gamer ? even if you have 4 consoles it wont let all those 4 consoles play one game at the same time.

[whoyouwit04]

To be honest no DRM is a dam good thing for gamers, but if you look at both of their press conferences you can see that it is already hurting Sony every single title Microsoft Showed for xbox one was exclusive (minus phantom pain) and some were coming from third parties. Sony, on the other hand, nearly every title they Showed for PS4 was multiplat. I really think in the end their will be more and more exclusive for Xbox One, and fewer on PS4 because of DRM.

[Jaqen_Hghar]

Sony clearly stated that they will have more exclusives in the first year and more new IP. 20>12. 12>8. Not hard to understand.

[whoyouwit04]

Yes exclusives from first party, put I'm talking about third party microsoft will get more third party support.

[MRMagoo123]

MS wont be getting much support when they sell hardly any consoles and noone wants to make games for them anymore

[rela82me]

@mrmagoo Why wouldn't people want to develop for xbox, it is a console they will make tons of money off of for the DRM restrictions. If anything it will attract more developers and enable higher profits for most publishers.

And to be honest after the sony reveal I really didn't see much that was really appealing, the games and the whole expo kind of bored me. Nothing got me jumping out of my seat. HOWEVER I did like some of the multiplat they showed off, that was nice.

I just hope sony doesn't have a bad case of quantity over quality. Its easy to get a bunch of cheap games over a few dozen truly great titles. Perhaps I missed a few since I have predominantly been watching X1, would someone mind posting the titles of a few good Sony exclusives so I could check them out. All I have seen is Second Son and Killzone, dont care much for GT 6. Others than that I haven't heard much.

[steve30x]

@ whoyouwit04 : Not all of the games shown on Microsofts conference were Xbox one exclusive , The Crew and watchdogs is coming to PS4 and PC too.

[whoyouwit04]

And those games were shown in Ubisoft's confrence I said look at the #rd party games showed in their conference everyone in Microsoft conference was exclusive except metal gear while all but the game from quantic dreams was multiplat. that is already showing that 3rd parties will lean more towards Xbox One.

[StockpileTom]

Dark Souls II also multiplatform

[steve30x]

@ whoyouwit04 : You said this

"every single title Microsoft Showed for xbox one was exclusive"

So now you are contradicting yourself.

[airgangstarr]

for the first year there gonna need our support but then it will go in sonys favor regardless ms will fall off the longer the gen goes on an sony will only get stronger

[SignifiedSix91]

Is it true you have to pay to play online on the ps4? I didn't catch that during the conference...

[MasterofMagnetism]

Yes i believe you need to be a plus member now to play online.

[StockpileTom]

It is in the fine print.

[SignifiedSix91]

Thanks for the info.

[PerryCaravello]

HASHTAG SONY WINS

lol

[Gildarts]

I'm going to enjoy seeing all developers flock to X1.

Now that PS4 has the same Architecture as a PC its going to be easier then ever to hack it, With no DRM to stop it. Everyone will be able to play games for FREE its going to be more hacker friendly then a Nintendo DS lol.

[first1NFANTRY]

like that hurt M$ this gen. people will find a way to pirate games either way. if anything that results to more sales of the hardware. nice spin troll.

ps3 $399 #dealwithit

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[Belking]

Yea but PS4 will be much easier target to hack. 3rd party devs are gonna be choosing xb1 over it. You can see it already.

[rela82me]

Not to be fan-boyish about it, perhaps I am biased, but you can tell. The games were just EH, I wouldn't mind playing them, but I don't know that I'd pay for them. You can kind of tell Sony went for just buying anything that they really could get their hands on. Then gave whatever was left to Bungie to get fan support from the other side.

I have to admit though, Sony did a MUCH MUCH better job this time marketing their PS4 than their last iteration. The PS3 in my eyes was a huge let-down to what it REALLY could have been with that tech. It just seems like that these companies shine where they origin from. Sony has GREAT hardware, and Microsoft has FANTASTIC software experience. I don't know if its funds that influence their lack of REALLY good titles or not.

If Sony just showed me those games that would have been a no brainer, I would have 100% got the console day 1. However, since I find the Xbox reasonably priced, (Still wish it was cheaper but it seems fair to me), the restrictions truly don't apply to me, and provide the entertainment that I am looking for, It is still in my shopping-cart. When it comes down to choosing a gaming-console, its about the games I can play on it, and for me that was a win for MS.

[steve30x]

The Xbone will get hacked to get rid of the DRM

[Gildarts]

Not possible, the server will ban the console or the console will block itself. it has to check online every 24hour.

[steve30x]

It is possible and will be done. Nothing is hack proof.

[Allsystemgamer]

Uh the xbone is also based on PC architecture u idiot just like the 360

[Gildarts]

yes but X1 has DRM idiot. it has to check online every now and then.

[whoyouwit04]

You can see it's already headed in that direction.

[MysticStrummer]

Hackers will obviously go after the One first because of the DRM issue. That's the kind of thing that motivates a group like Anonymous, and requiring One to be online just makes it that much more vulnerable.

[00]

I hope Sony bets the Shit out of MS so they can get there act back together.

[Sevir]

"The upcoming software lineup for PS4 from software developers and publishers will
include Destiny™ from Bungie, Inc., in partnership with Activision Publishers, Inc., Diablo®
III from Blizzard Entertainment, Inc., KINGDOM HEARTS III and FINAL FANTASY® XV
from SQUARE ENIX, Assassin’s Creed® IV Black Flag™ and Watch_Dogs™ from Ubisoft
Entertainment, NBA® 2K14 from 2K Sports, The Elder Scrolls® Online from Bethesda Games
Studios and Mad Max ™ from Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment, totaling more than 110
titles. PS4 has earned great support from a wide variety of game publishers, including many
indie developers. Since February 2013, the number of developers joining has increased from
126 to 505.
Furthermore, from SCE Worldwide Studios, more than 30 titles, including 12 brand
new IP, are under development, including Killzone: Shadow Fall, Knack, inFAMOUS: Second
Son, #DRIVECLUB and The Order: 1886.
*1 Out of over the 30 titles under development, 20
titles will be available within a year from the PS4 launch."

http://www.scei.co.jp/corpo...

[jmac53]

I have been an Xbox gamer the last 2 generations and I love the Xbox exclusives but i am a gamer first You have to be a friggin idiot to buy an Xbox 1 over a PS4. It's $100 less and the GPU is 50% more powerful. Not even mentioning the DRM. MS did get nuked today.

[Gildarts]

for that extra $100 you give the power of kinect to developers. they are going to do amazing things with it.
I like to use this as an Example.

Oculus Rift combined with kinect 2.

50% sounds like a lot but in practice you won't see much difference.

[rela82me]

The tech in the PS3 was way more than 50% more powerful that the 360 and it was a much bigger success than the ps3. Its not about hardware, and its not about money, its about the experience. You get what you pay for, and based on the games line up that proves it. Bring on the disagrees.

[dethpuck]

let me know when Sony has halo and titanfall. still getting ps4 but not at first.

[Rogerandtherabbits]

Yes ps4 all the time.
Gotta laugh at EA for backing the wrong team
How many copies of the new cod will be sold on xbox1now

[dethpuck]

about 10 million or so. same as with Sony. Don't forget that microsoft still has timed exclusivity. people who play cod will want to stick with their friends and they've already paid for live likely. My friends are why i preordered x1 . we all play battlefield and halo. no one plays PS online right now. i think it will come down to social networks. Live is so easy to coordinate games compared to psn. its going to be very interesting to see who comes out on top. I agree that sony looks very good right now, but who would have thought the wii would have one last gen. I would like to see microsoft change their tune on DRM, but if they don't its ok. Im online all the time anyway.

[ninjasniper2]

All you girls are so funny. You don't even know what the $399 offering is from Sony. Yet you are quick to bash.

It could be a stripped down console version with a 4 gig HDD and no wifi for all we know. The reason MS abandoned multiple SKUS is because no one really bought the cheap consoles, same with PS3.

Also all these hardware specs that are so much better then Xbox? What DDR 3 vs DDR 4? regardless of the fact Sony abandon their 'better then Xbox 360' cell processor because it was a big flop. Hard to devlop for, and created much longer and arduous development times then PowerPC for the xbox. This is why custom content and games usually launched on the Xbox 360 first for multiple console releases. From DLC for COD to Skrim bugs and months long waiting for DLC. PS4 always took a back seat.

PS4 is using an off the shelf AMD Jaguar Processor. Whilst MS is using a custom designed by Microsoft PowerPC 8 core.

They both use the same GPUs. No one even knows the size of the HDD in the ps4.

Sony has a long history of over promising and under delivering. Microsoft has a history of listening to its user base and adjusting.

They both will play awesome games, the graphics and game play will be sick - the next gen is here - the real question is, what else do you want for your money? A fancy blu ray player, or a full media intergration into your total living room, after you're done playing games?

Ill pay 100 bucks 'more' for the X1 for all that. It's worth it.

THE BEST hardware in the world is USELESS unless you have software to leverage it. Sony is a hardware company. MS is a software company. That is why MS dashboard and online service, and full game integration has always trumped PS2,3, and soon to be 4. That's why for 8 years PS3 can't play music from your computer while you play a video game. You don't have group chats across different games and so much more the xbox has done from day 1.

I mean really your ps4 is finally catching up to stuff 360 has been doing for 8 years. I guess if i was a fan boy of ps i would be happy about that. :P

[Gildarts]

Well said.

except it is confirmed to be 500GB Harddrive.

but 500$ is well worth the money for Xbox One and it includes Kinect 2. people seem to ignore how much kinect is going to change gaming now that it comes with every Xbox One.

And since everyone needs to be connected developers can make great games that can rely on the cloud Like titanfall and Forza 5. Only as the X1 ages will we see the true power of the cloud.

[MysticStrummer]

No. You won't see the power of the cloud. The technical reasons why it can't work like MS is implying have nothing to do with the 300000 virtual servers they added. The internet infrastructure of the planet is simply not at a point where what they are implying is possible.

Even at a connection speed of 8mbps, which is faster than the average speed in the US, the cloud can stream about 1/20000 of the information that PS4's internal memory system can.

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

[rela82me]

Even if some of the claims that they wish to implement might not happen, there are TREMENDOUS amounts of implementation that the cloud can bring, and they showed off quite a bit of it at E3, and its still in its infancy stages.

Both will bring some great stuff, but I agree that MS has the software and hardware that is WORTH the pricetag IMO.

[MysticStrummer]

Your post is full of misinformation. I have a feeling it won't do any good to correct you but here goes...

PS4 has a 500GB HDD and WiFi

DDR3 < GDDR5, and One will have 5Gb available after the OS footprint, while PS4 will have 7GB available after the OS footprint.

You're correct to say PS3 was hard to develop for, but that won't be a factor next gen so why bring it up?

The CPUs are similar, but PS4's GPU is superior to One's.

Most of what One can do media wise is already doable with other devices that many people already have. It's not all in one if you have to hook it to a cable box, is it?

DRM < No DRM

You think XBL > PSN. That's your opinion and you're welcome to it, but I don't know anyone in real life that agrees with you. All of my gaming friends bought 360s and had XBL. Now none of them have a 360 and none thought XBL was better.

[dethpuck]

i don't know which system you game the most on. i have both xbox and ps3 and live is way better at this point. No party chat on ps3 sucks. glad to see PS in getting it this gen. hope it is implemented better than party chat on vita. Sony has never been user friendly with their systems. That is one thing microsoft gets, making things easy to setup. win for everybody today. especailly offline used game players on Playstation good for them. I'll be joining them after i pay off my X1.