An opinion piece about the "Always Online" aspect of next-gen consoles. Discusses the pros and cons of it, as well as the possibilities of what companies may do with the data they are collecting.
because the "always on" is not a benefit in any way to us and never will be, it's just a new form of restriction! They will use it to monitor us like sheep and to block used games. Just think about it. I might be always online but why does the console requires it even for off-line games? When I turn on my console it's my choice to go online and enjoy the benefits of online gaming, or to stay off-line and enjoy a single player game on my own. PS4 will not require an online connection and when the XBone comes out you'll see that there is no benefit on having an always on system and in fact, it will be quite the contrary.
Why does the image show the PS4 for an article about "always on"? Sony already stated that the PS4 doesnt need to always be connected to the internet and they never even thought about doing that for the console
@wishingW3L "because the "always on" is not a benefit in any way to us and never will be, it's just a new form of restriction!" Who is "us"? Always on is convenient for me, can't wait to just start my X1 by saying "Xbox on" How is that restricting me? "When I turn on my console it's my choice to go online and enjoy the benefits of online gaming, or to stay off-line and enjoy a single player game on my own." OK so obviously you have internet service, but X1 isn't forcing you to game online, it just verifies your games are legit once every 24hrs in the background, you don't have to drive to Redmond and check in everyday. jeesh some of you are being waaaay overdramatic, btw you do know you can just turn it off right?
@4Sh0w "it just verifies your games are legit once every 24hrs in the background" Isn't one time is good enough? Is there really a reason to constantly keep checking if a game is legit? Its waste of resources if you ask me. Always online might not be a restriction to you but it is to some of us( http://n4g.com/user/blogpos... please read it). You can't wait to start up your X1 by saying "Xbox on"....... Just wondering how hard is it for you to get up and press the power button?
@4Sh0w: Shill or fanboy?
my consoles have always been on since this gen began. nothing will change next gen either. this is not an issue for me
uh oh, disagree and you're obviously working for Microsoft 4Sh0w. zeal0us Isn't one time is good enough? Is there really a reason to constantly keep checking if a game is legit? uhm, wtf? lol, NO once would allow you to do the same as now, they whole point of drm is they have to have a security measure in place so whenever you do sell it, loan it or are committing piracy the verification check will lock you out of that game. "waste of resources", that makes no sense its built in to the console, happens within a few seconds in the background, BAMM its done, you won't even notice it, takes no resources. Wow, some of you need to work on your troll skills, weak sauce right there.
"OK so obviously you have internet service, but X1 isn't forcing you to game online, it just verifies your games are legit once every 24hrs in the background, you don't have to drive to Redmond and check in everyday." aka "we treat our consumers like they're all criminals." Not everyone has internet connection. For those who do have, there will always be downtimes when NODE is overloaded. Good luck with your X1 when you don't have an internet connection.
zeal0us "Always online might not be a restriction to you but it is to some of us" OK so complain then don't buy it= Plain and Simple, anything more just means you want to dictate what's good for me yet I don't come to your house and tell you which cable provider to get because I think they're all ripping you off except the one I have. There are luxury cars and economy cars people make choices based on economics and preferences all the time its only gamers who have some self righteous feeling of entitlement. Why can't you guys just be man enough to stick to your principles and just walk away, instead constantly trolling. Trolling and stand up for your rights are not the same thing, there is a clear and obvious difference, its just trolling= Plain and Simple. Consumer rights are important but last I check no one nominated you guys who hate Microsoft president of the consumer rights club. Microsoft doesn't owe me or you anything, if you happen to have brought a 360 then hopefully you feel as if you got your moneys worth other than that it doesn't entitle you to dictating to me or Microsoft what they have to do with their next console, NO you don't like their direction then its not for you= Plain and Simple. This is why you guys on n4g aren't taken seriously and fanboyism will always overshadow everything you say because normal people do not constantly follow a person or brand constantly saying how they hate it, they say "screw you" or "screw that" and then move along, fans say "I don't like rap music, they then they go buy country, pop or whatever they like but they don't seek out every piece of rap news just to say "I hate rap music", NO they just turn on their music and enjoy themselves. Fanboys are the opposite of fans, they constantly spew negativity everyday because they hate to see other people enjoying themselves doing something that they don't approve of. How empty you must feel.= Plain and Simple. rippn, oh please how original Muerte, It's not treating anyone like criminals, its indiscriminate, your logic is like Walmart saying hey lets install these new upgraded security cameras but why bother turning them on, uh duh if you're going to stop stealing then of course you have to check it or your whole security is pointless and I'm not rich but if you have internet and its often down for more than 24hrs then you need a new provider.
yeah wishing....I dont want to have that damm Kinect spying on me either, I got a full proof plan though Im going to do all my drug deals using my laptop in the garage on Facebook.
Just tape over the microphone on the kinect and face it against the wall. Or develop a secret set of codewords. Lol.
@jbond1010: I hope you're not serious. We shouldn't have to hide or create a new language to get around our electronics. Better to just not bring them in to our homes in the first place.
OMG, jbond1010 he thinks you're seriously going make up a new language....wow, lmfao He's probably considering my master plan for Facebook. lol
#datdamagecontrolineveryxboxar ticle If you're not part of the solution then you are part of the problem. Down with any company that enforces DRM and restrictive practices. Down with MS and down with Sony if they follow suit. E3 holds the answers.
The always-online certainly COULD be used for something great, just like the Wii Vitality Sensor, just like all of those unfulfilled promises surrounding the original Kinect. I'm done with promises and potential. I no longer buy a console based on potential alone (which is why I typically wait at least a year before buying any new gaming hardware). Just because always-on COULD be used for some great things doesn't mean that it WILL be used for some cool things. Remember Nintendo's promise how the Wii's blue light would come on when you'd get surprise updates, new content for games, new levels, etc? Never happened.
Here's my problem with the whole thing. If people want to buy the new Xbox then fine, it's none of my business. But if this thing actually turns out to be a success, then console gaming is in BIG trouble. I live in the middle of Ireland and about a year ago, my Internet went off for about 5 days. I was a bit annoyed that I couldn't play online but I had a few single player games to get through so I didn't mind. But now I'm supposed to be ok with not being able to play my single player games if such an event were to reoccur? I mean what the hell? And where does it stop? If we let MS pull this BS with their 24 hour check in, what are they going to do next generation? Always on? Will we have any freedom to do what we please with OUR games? It's a disgrace to be honest. I can buy a new DVD for €10. But I'm expected to pay 5 times as much for a new game and then I'm told where and when I can play it? And gamers are ok with this? If I sold a game to you and then told you what you can and can't do with it, what would you do? You would tell me to go such and such myself. I have no problem telling people I love my ps3. But I don't have a thing against people who like 360 either. But Xbox One is not ok with me. And if Sony pull the same crap at E3 that's it. PC here I come.
Hey Ben, I was reading that Xbox one can use a mobile broadband connection, so not sure if that means you could use your cell phone 3G connection for that 24 hr check but if so that might be a solution if your main Internet went down for 5 days. Not sure though. Be good if someone knew more about this. I haven't lost Internet connection in the last 2 years except maybe in a big storm when the power went out...
There maybe no benefit to us gamers, but depending on how the industry moves because of this drastic change then it will affect the gamers somehow. Here's a scenario. XBone and PS4 sells same amount, pretty much like 360/PS3. However, publishers are making alot more money on XB games since they are getting a chunk out of used games. MS starts pressuring publishers to make exclusive games to XB because data shows how much money they are losing out on used PS games. If that scenario does pan out then XB gamers will benefit alot, I'm not a XB gamer and I pretty much only play brand new games. I don't sell my old games and I hardly ever borrow or lend out any of my games. If MS doe's get exclusives because they are in the publishers good book then I probably want Sony to have such DRM aswell. I probably will get a XBone within its first yeah of release, but depending on how the kinect works I would probably turn off my console most of the time. Can't stand having a camera staring at me.
Thanks for the comment. Just trying to get more discussion on the potential for positives with regards to always online. I agree that they're most likely just going to collect all the data and sell it/use it against us somehow, I'm just trying to be optimistic that there is some actual positive use to the functionality aside from stopping us from playing used games/share games.
I really don't see anything positive about always online. You can turn on/off your X1 by saying "Xbox On/Off" -Takes less than 10secs to get up and press the power button You don't have to wait for a update. -For people who have fast internet its now going to save you like what 3-4mins, WoooooooooW Stay connected with your friends -So the same thing with XBL on the 360. If I lived in better area where dsl,broadband or etc was offered I probably wouldn't mind the X1. Sadly however I don't and right now the only reason I online is because tethering(1X signal with one bar). This gen I done majority of my gaming offline. The only time I ever went online is if I took my 360 or profile(via usb drive) over to a relative's house with fast internet.
I think you are getting mixed up between always on and always online. Always on = console on standby (similar to tablets/phones) Always online = needs internet connection to work? Anyway, positive of always on is that games can be put on standby at anytime so you can jump back in whenever you like. Think of a boss battle that takes 1 hour to beat. half way thru you have emergency and have to leave. You would be able to turn off your console(standby) and carry on the next time you play.
Optimistic? There is no positive. Taking away choice provides nothing good for the consumer. It's like trying to find a positive in segregation. How does restriction social choices have an upside? For what?
Some people say that they're always on now, so they don't mind that the Xbox One needs do online check-ins. What they probably don't realise (or they are just overlooking) is if you can't sign in, you lose your game for a while. If you have a power outage in your home, you can't play your games. If your connection drops regularly, there's a good chance you will lose the ability to play your games because you can't sign in to XBL. The Xbox One will become a popular target for hackers (because of the camera on Kinect and the data MS collects), so expect Xbox Live to be offline for maintenance a lot, and again, you won't be able to play your games.
Something I never even considered was troops overseas playing on the console. I have friends in Afghanistan and internet connection is pretty bad in some places, so if they just want to play games amongst their unit, they wouldn't be able to if this 24hour check disables the console. All around I don't like the idea, but at one point we're all going to be connected. The concern I have is what they are doing with all that data they're collecting about us.
please tell me how you can play your games if you have a power outage and you cant switch on the tv or xbox?? i live in rural France, and before that i lived in S.E london. and in the last 7 years, i think the most i have lost my internet for is 2 days.. not bad ey. i dont really have any problems with my ISP. i dont know where everyone lives on here. but i here alot of talk of their net going down often, yet they are on here day after day parroting the same stuff...
We have power outages where I am quite often. Usually when the power does come back the net service is wonky for a short time thereafter, meaning no access to the net. So even if the power comes back and the net service is still down until the ISP fixes it, you WON'T be able to play your Xbox One even if you do have power.
@ loulou "please tell me how you can play your games if you have a power outage and you cant switch on the tv or xbox??" I have a backup generator.
Come live in Georgia where the severe storms often knock out Comcast, which in my experience can often take days to be sorted. Before you say switch isp well they are no better. Don't get me wrong my ps3 as been connected for years but these downtimes in internet do not effect my hobby to often due to the fact I can play OFFLINE for ever if necessary!..same won,t be true for the xbox one in my area.
Whats the big deal indeed?
Not a big deal to me. I always have internet connection...though I feel it shouldn't be required. Always online does have benefits though.
to some people....yes!
The big deal is that, when the servers get turned off in a few years, your game will disappear into cyberspace. For the overwhelming majority of gamers, the issue of ownership is make-or-break, and rightfully so.
the big deal is that when those servers go down and they eventually will,those games are lost forever and you just have a bunch of Frisbee disk,and a giant plastic brick laying around,some people i swear are just the biggest idiots.
The big deal is all the people that either don't have access too, or cannot afford high speed broad band Internet, those people are just screwed.
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Are the corporate shills going to go all out after E3 defending the POS box 31 million 360 were not connected to the internet and not every wants there console connected to the internet all the time, let alone it does not function at all with out internet. I really do hope the servers get hacked and taken down for a month so all the idiotic fanboys and apologist can sleep happy knowing they bought the worlds most expensive paper weight. there is nothing good about the xbox one from a consumer stand point.
I'm curious how the shills/apologists will spin the hacking when it does occur? When video footage of little kids being recorded via Kinect start appearing online all over the place after someone remote taps into the console (just because they can or for the "lulz") what will people say then? I'm dying to see what the excuse will be? This isn't even a scenario of "IF", it's 100% guaranteed of "WHEN". An always-on Kinect from a system that never actually turns off is a hacker's wet-dream project come true.
True or when the entire network is hacked psn style closing it down for god knows how long. Microsoft have basically told the entire hacker world come and get me.
The great thing is, we all know its going to happen. I'm sure that it won't take long for Anonymous to hack MS servers and when it happens I'll be the 1st one to say "You get what you pay for".
To be fair I have PlayStation Plus and it connects once a day to sync trophy data, download patches, and upload saves to the cloud. However, always on DRM is not the same as benefits. Having to worry that my internet connection is up at the time of the Xbone internet handshake and having my game pause in the middle of it if it isn't a benefit, it's a disaster. And there is no way to spin it in a positive light.
I don't even have to read this article. The big deal is that I don't have XBL hooked up on my console right now, I never have because I wont pay for it, and I never will unless it's an optional thing I can pay for and not required to kill some dude in Bangladesh on the game "Mortal Kombat." The fact is, I do have internet, I just can't afford the BS that MS is doing when it comes to the gaming market, PS fans are just fine and content playing online for free . . . BECAUSE THEY ALREADY BOUGHT THE GAME AND THE CONSOLE IN THE FIRST PLACE! Microsoft is making people angry that want to play their console, they just can't afford it. And with the original topic at hand, people aren't able to have internet, so playing a game on MS' console is ridiculous. You physically can't do it, and PS is just fine. End of story.
You know the country Bangladesh? D:
Some people don't even have internet and can play games just fine, XB you can't. So that is like 30% of their consumers that are switching to PS.
It feels a bit like if we can't spy on you for advertisement we take away all your gaming privileges. Why? To combat piracy? Didn't hear them say that. To make sure my games are updated? Like they need updates every day. It just doesn't make sense, especially when half your userbase is not on Live.
Um, what's the problem with being online. XBL is $60 a year, and if you can't afford that than you can't afford games cause they cost more. And my computer is online 24-7, every time I turn on my Xbox I'm online, who cares about a required check in every 24 hours. It's called evolution, times change. Happens everywhere, get used to it or you'll be lost in the past. Like people who still mail postcards or send love letters in the mail. We live in an "online" world now, and we're always connected. That's life. You can't watch Netflix without being online, you can't go on Facebook without being online, you can't go on the freaking Internet without being online, now you have to be online to play games. Just in case no one was smart enough to figure out yet, years from now buying games at the store will be a thing of the past because you'll be able to purchase them from your game console. It's happening now, people need to stop complaining and just accept it for what it is.
I don't have to accept SH*T! I don't give a sh*t what YOU or MICROSOFT says. If I want to be offline I should have the option. Some trophies get locked due to online but if you play offline your able to get them and I know ALOT of Achievement hunters will be PIST if they can't 100% there games. So say what you want about needing to be online all the time and being lost in time. In 20 years Super Nintendo games sell for in the HUNDREADS because there RARE and hard to come by. 20 years from NOW xbox 1 games will be in land fills and the system will be a god damn paper weight. So spend your money. When you want to sell your game's to gamestop or a friend and it tells them when they get home the game doesn't work cause the license belongs to someone else who do you think is going to be pist and want there money back??? This is SO much more then just being connected to the internet all the time. What's second hand stores going to do with the trade in of xbox 1 games have to try every single one out before you can trade it in? ANYONE who has been to a gamestop knows that will take a day and a age. So GOOD LUCK to ANYONE who buys this piece of sh*t.
Prism says hello.
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The 24h check in is a bloody joke imo, buy into this bull and you will be a slave to the servers for ALL of the games you buy disk or download. Wait for a few years when they decide to pull the plug on those servers to make way for a new system and you are left with a cable box and blu ray player...more worrying is microsoft are now sure to be the no 1 target of every hacker who wants to prove a point and bring their entire network down. How the xbox fanboys mocked playstation users when psn was hacked and shut down...well at least they could play offline games during that time...when this goes down expect outrage on a scale never seen in gaming.
I am a multi-console gamer, and when my consoles are not in use, they are unplugged, because saving energy and protecting our planet is something I care about. I also have a life outside of gaming, so there are periods where I go weeks without gaming. So nope, I won't be buying an Xbox One if it is required to be always on and always connect.
Just want to say thanks to all for commenting, positive or not. I agree there are a whole lot of flaws to the "always on" issue, but I like being able to see what everyone's reaction/response is. Being from a place that has reliable internet connection I don't experience the same issues as some of you have mentioned. Interesting perspectives from all. Thanks.
Its not the always on that presents the biggest problems. Its the crap they're instituting through the forced always on. Having an internet connection by itself isn't harmful. Its the DRM and big brother forced policies that are the problem. Stop straw manning this into something it isn't. You all know why it sucks.
Well said. Its not the always on by itself. Its what the always on is a gateway to. MS fans will blindly spin facts as they see fit. I feel sorry for those who blindly support anti consumer products. Its counter productive in a society where corporations take advantage of us already. Myself being American, I cant help, but be shocked as Americans are the most in support of the X1. The same America who despises The Patriot Act and hates big government. Yet, they blindly support MS just because its an American company, all the while MS will have a required always on microphone in your home. Not to mention MS being in bed with the government through all this. Its quite ridiculous to take loyalty to a gaming console to an extent of letting a company violate your rights as a consumer, and rights to fair trade, privacy, etc... Im not speaking as a gamer or Sony fan. Im speaking as a citizen of the U.S.A. The DRM, used game blocking, and spy camera is just too much. Step outside of your childish game war. Is playing Halo worth the rights you may possibly lose? If you answered yes, then you ARE whats wrong with America right now.
Oh the big deal is the kinect and the online requirement. Maybe it's not a big deal now but when your appliances are always connected, your cars gps info is always monitored and you have a camera pointed at you all day then the problems come. This is just another blatantly useless step for the customer in a direction VERY few people want the world to go towards. But it's ok, if history is any indication then it's not like the government or business would use any of that against regular people....:(
Do you know everything you do is being monitored? You know law enforcement can gain access to your phone records, email, Facebook with a subpoena? Do you know how? Because its all monitored, that's how. I don't hear people complaining about that. What are you gonna do, say you're not buying a cell phone or sending emails anymore?
Another failed argument. By your logic, since ppl break the speed limit and there are car accidents anyway, we should abandon all speed limits and do nothing. Women get raped every year. Prison does not seem a good enough deterrent for rapists, so lets just make rape legal. Do you see what you're doing? You're actually excusing the wrongdoig of MS because another entity in some form or another may do the same. Didn't your mom teach you that 2 wrongs do not make a right? I'm not asking that you hate Xbox one. Just that you scrutinize what you love and what they're asking of you.
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