New Xbox by NSA partner Microsoft will watch you 24/7

Possible privacy violations by Microsoft’s upcoming Xbox One have come under new scrutiny since it was revealed Thursday that the tech giant was a crucial partner in an expansive Internet surveillance program conducted by the National Security Agency and involving Silicon Valley’s biggest players.

[ThatCanadianGuy514]

>Dat privacy invasion
http://oi43.tinypic.com/aw7...

^ Even the non gaming media are becoming aware of this insanity.

[xHeavYx]

I can think of a real time multiplayer game/TV series "run away from the Feds" where they give an Xbox One to dealers/criminals, then they try to run away connecting to the internet once every 24 hours.
I need to find a way to make this GIF my signature
https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW50...

[abzdine]

huge gif !! reflects reality quite well :D

[THamm]

XBOX DONE, I'm sick of any MS press, good or bad. The bad just outweigh the good.

[dcbronco]

THamm that's only if you listen to people that live in a box. The reality is NSA has been listening to phone call, copying fazes and copying activity on the Internet for years. Every once in a while people are reminded that this is happening and they lose their minds. The FBI does the same thing on the Internet. They copy every single thing done on the Internet. NSA admits it to a certain extent. When the head was Lt. Gen. Michael V. Hayden he decided to come clean about Echelon. But it is rumored that there is a far better system now in place. Hayden is now the head of the CIA.

The FBIs program was called Carnivore. They claimed it didn't exist. Then they said it couldn't do what the claims said. The claims were that it could copy everything done on the Internet. Then one day someone leaked classified e-mails of them talking about it being used to copy every action on the Internet for 3 months straight and the system didn't break a sweat. Congress told them to destroy it, but it was supposedly continued through a new system.

Echelon

http://www.washingtonpost.c...

http://abcnews.go.com/Techn...

Carnivore

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

http://www.howstuffworks.co...

http://www.g4tv.com/videos/...

http://www.pcworld.com/arti...

Trust me, Kinect is the least of your problems.

[S2Killinit]

@dcbronco
according to what you are saying, if they are already doing it, then there is no reason to fight it. First, I don't know how to tell you that that is not how you should look at it. Second, you realize that the kinect is embedded with information gathering technology the likes of which we have not dealt with before. It's like big brother's wet dream. On top of it all, this one is right in your living room. The home used to be the last bastion of personal space, it was sacred. This is a place where you could take shelter from the influences of the outside world. Today that sacred place is under attack. In the past you would not allow a Microsoft employee to come to your house and collect personal information about you, but as technology advances, companies seeking a higher profit look for new ways of gathering information that gives them an edge against the rest, its a free for all and our personal rights are being violated with our own permission.

[dcbronco]

@S2Killinit

No, what I'm saying is that gamers need to get their heads out of their a--es. The world doesn't revolve around them and everything isn't MS being evil. But worse of all is the Americans too stupid to understand their rights under the Constitution. If you are so uninformed about such a serious issue that has been around for almost twenty years, you don't deserve privacy. If a stupid belief that MS can openly violate US law is one you have, then you deserve no privacy. That person needs a 24hr nanny to make sure they don't hurt themselves. The Constitution is taught in elementary school. And gets refreshed until you graduate high school. If you somehow still missed it, your privacy is low down on the list of your problems.

Look at the links, look at the dates. None of it has anything to do with Kinect. The government has been watching you and recording your every move through every electronic device with WiFi you own. On every connection to the Internet you have. And they store it and organized it. They do profiles on communities so they know what to tell them to pimp them. But again, if Kinect was your introduction to all of this, you don't have time for gaming. Read a book, watch the news and go outside for a long, long time. Because you have been in a bubble and missed a ton.

MS can not invade your privacy by law. The government can't either. But MS will lose a suit if they are caught and the user agreement and other things makes that easy. But the government has done it again and again and have gotten caught and nothing has been done. But now Kinect is the motivation to care. Please. And the idiots in this country will still vote in the same people to congress because they also know nothing about politics. I guess we'll have to wait until MS performs a coup before anyone notices.

Scared place under attack. Pfftt! It hasn't been sacred in twenty years. Long before twenty years. The government will always do whatever it wants because Americans are stupid and uneducated. All of their interest reside in entertainment. As long as it doesn't involve Kim K or consoles, it didn't happen.

[Blackdeath_663]

i wonder if it may get banned in some countries because of this

[Godmars290]

I think Germany and Australasia have both voiced and are looking at privacy concerns. Neither have said if they'll block it on those grounds.

[Toon_Link]

Looks like Microsoft are looking to become the thought police from the book 1984. For people that haven't read it in 1984 everyone is monitored and anything you say or do can land you in a lot of trouble if big brother sees your actions as a problem.

I really recommend reading that book before you decide if its ok for a giant company like Microsoft to put an always online always listening camera in your house.

[Conzul]

Yeah, 1984 and Animal Farm.

A frog, slow boiled, will never jump from the pot.

[Gildarts]

Microsoft is not part of the NSA.

http://www.reuters.com/arti...

[Foxgod]

This is exactly why MS cancels pr shows.
Because of the immature journalism these days thats all based on false assumptions.

[ThatCanadianGuy514]

Yes, they are.Is this not Microsofts Logo with the rest of them? http://oi42.tinypic.com/30b...

When they're asked, they give it.Which means it's all stored.

[greenpowerz]

I agree with fox.

Media in the gaming industry these days are acting like media did in the last American election when republicans and Mitt Romney conditioned the American media to practice garbage journalism. Obama and team simply stopped exposing themselves to the gotcha journalism and went to the people.

[lastofgen]

@DayZ

you want to provide us with a link supporting Microsoft's current stance/position rather than a screenshot taken that could have been easily photoshopped??

[stuna1]

But tell me did you see the other article on the page you linked too? FBI & Microsoft take aim at global cyber crime ring, but yet their a software company.

[Godmars290]

@Foxgod:

All this really started because of the initial leak, then the Orth incident. In all that time MS made no effort to respond to rising criticisms and even posters such as yourself insisted that they didn't need. Then they went and confirmed all of them. Badly.

That things have only somehow gotten worse is their own fault.

[GribbleGrunger]

Don't be ridiculous, Fox, that's a reason to have MORE interviews.

[ShwankyShpanky]

Hm.... who to believe... Microsoft PR statement, or actual NSA documents? Gee, tough call.

"Microsoft made no mention of the PRISM program in a statement released after the Post report, and denied it was part of any voluntary data collection mechanism."

Instead of sidestepping the issue, maybe MS can just explain why their name is all over the PRISM documents.

Documents: U.S. mining data from 9 leading Internet firms; companies deny knowledge
http://www.washingtonpost.c...

The National Security Agency and the FBI are tapping directly into the central servers of nine leading U.S. Internet companies, extracting audio and video chats, photographs, e-mails, documents, and connection logs that enable analysts to track one target or trace a whole network of associates, according to a top-secret document obtained by The Washington Post.

Equally unusual is the way the NSA extracts what it wants, according to the document: “Collection directly from the servers of these U.S. Service Providers: Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, PalTalk, AOL, Skype, YouTube, Apple.”

http://www.washingtonpost.c...

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Microsoft – which is currently running an advertising campaign with the slogan "Your privacy is our priority" – was the first, with collection beginning in December 2007.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/w...

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CIA Chief: We’ll Spy on You Through Your Dishwasher
http://www.wired.com/danger...
March 15, 2012

More and more personal and household devices are connecting to the internet, from your television to your car navigation systems to your light switches. CIA Director David Petraeus cannot wait to spy on you through them.

Earlier this month, Petraeus mused about the emergence of an “Internet of Things” — that is, wired devices — at a summit for In-Q-Tel, the CIA’s venture capital firm. “‘Transformational’ is an overused word, but I do believe it properly applies to these technologies,” Petraeus enthused, “particularly to their effect on clandestine tradecraft.”

All those new online devices are a treasure trove of data if you’re a “person of interest” to the spy community. Once upon a time, spies had to place a bug in your chandelier to hear your conversation. With the rise of the “smart home,” you’d be sending tagged, geolocated data that a spy agency can intercept in real time when you use the lighting app on your phone to adjust your living room’s ambiance.

“Items of interest will be located, identified, monitored, and remotely controlled through technologies such as radio-frequency identification, sensor networks, tiny embedded servers, and energy harvesters — all connected to the next-generation internet using abundant, low-cost, and high-power computing,” Petraeus said, “the latter now going to cloud computing, in many areas greater and greater supercomputing, and, ultimately, heading to quantum computing.”

Petraeus allowed that these household spy devices “change our notions of secrecy” and prompt a rethink of “our notions of identity and secrecy.” All of which is true — if convenient for a CIA director.

[sourav93]

@Lastofgen http://www.engadget.com/201...

There you go.

[duli14]

How much are they paying you?

[Gildarts]

No they're not.

Every big company is denying everything. It even pissed zuckerberg off.

http://mobile.theverge.com/...

[ABizzel1]

Boycott the Xbox 1 people, if you must buy it get the console used.

[S2Killinit]

This article doesn't say they aren't part of the NSA. Where did you pick that up? I read the whole thing. All it was was Microsoft's statement in its defense saying "they don't reveal information until there is a government order to do so."

@lastofgen
Just do your own search. Read Forbes, I'm sure you consider them legit source. Its not a big secret, instead of arguing here, go read it up and you will see that Microsoft is, in fact, part of the PRISM program. That's the end of it.

[LackTrue4K]

Lol!!! That reminds of years back!!!
I was playing Burnout Paradise city, and another player had the PlayStation eye hooked up,...and well. In that game, there was settings for the camera to take a picture of you when you get taken down from another player.
After the game I went threw the list....! I could not believe my eyes!!!

"One picture had a guy playing in his shorts, with her wife Brest feeding her baby!!!!"

Lol....I even send the picture to the guy, and never got a respond.

[TK421]

I wonder which posters in this thread work for Microsoft?

If only there was some way to tell hmmm...

[RedHawkX]

I agree they already taking your cell phone records and listening to your convos but now they taking it to a new level with being able to see you in kinect and you facial expressions and all other sorts of personal stuff.

[wellard]

@dcbronco

Thats great information but did either of those 2 systems put an HD camera and microphone in your living room and/or kids bedrooms?

My concern is having a camera that we as parents have no control over, what so ever, pointed at our children, in their bedrooms.

Yeah yeah we hear all this schmuckus about MS will never farm data and if they did it would be kept totally private, yadda yadda yadda.

Didn't google just get handed papers by a federal judge stating that the FBI must be given whatever info it wants on Google accounts without the issue of a warrant?

Do any of us actually think for a second that the US government would pass indefinitely on an opportunity
to exploit a system like kinect?

These aren't fanboy concerns, these are genuine concerns about the privacy of my family and myself in my own home. While MS maintain this need to have a camera plugged in and switched on 24/7 i simply cannot and will not purchase this system no matter how much i would like to continue supporting the Xbox brand. (im an avid (or rather was) fan of xbox) so dont judge this comment based on what system you have under your television.

[sAVAge_bEaST]

and this
http://i1.wp.com/topinfopos...

[indysurfn]

I have been saying this for years, but now I think people will listen. I know that Microsoft knew they could not compete with Japanese on turn based RPG's. So they have been having people review turn based RPG's, and pay them to dog it out for being a turn based RPG. And to trick people into thinking that turn based rpg's as obsolete, and we have moved on to action rpg's. when in fact the first RPG's (after pen and paper) where ACTION rpg's THEN later came turn based. And people have fallen for it. Even Square enix resigned president admitted they lost there way when resigning, for moving away from what people wanted. (yes I'm ranting)
now square has promised to return to their roots. (it takes awhile) meanwhile other companies have taken japans rpg market, with turn based rpg's not action. About 15 years ago 10 percent of games in japans top 50 where jrpgs. NOW every week at LEAST 40% of the most wanted, and 50% of total sales in Japan of the top 50 charts are rpg's not western rpg's but jrpgs! Microsoft has no effect on the minds of the Japanese (whew!). I hope people start to realize that real JRPGs are addictive.

when Microsoft talks cerebral and twitch. they are really talking turn based and thinking(cerebral), and action(twitch). Everything does not need to be a reflex action!