The Xbox One Might Let Sony's PS4 Win By Default

Last night, Microsoft MSFT +0.5% dumped a pile of information into our laps about some of the more controversial specifics of the Xbox One. We heard confirmation about its practices for always on, used game resale, and game ownership in general. Some of the highlights:

[Sandmano]

All will be revealed June 11th

[TacticProductionz]

June 10th for most I believe :)

[buddymagoo]

I don't think MS has a chance... first charging for online play and now all this "always connected" stuff.

I don't understand how anyone would want one over a PS4???

[Sandmano]

11th For me :(

[abzdine]

everything is obvious already. Now all i care about is when PS4 and PS4 games i want are releasing.

[morganfell]

If they keep taking this tact their arrogance will bury them. Did this guy actually think no one would realize he is a MS employee.

http://i.imgur.com/QoudSqO....

[JoySticksFTW]

@ buddymagoo

"I don't think MS has a chance"

Dude, MS has mismanaged Xbone spectacularly so far.

But when MS marketing is on, you see crap like Kinect explode

[jmac53]

@buddymagoo I am pretty sure Sony is going to have similar policies. Right now they are staying quiet and letting MS take the brunt of all the rage. And before you say that executives from Sony said otherwise, remember that MS was saying the same thing until this clarification.

[n4g_someone]

Ya man, timing differences.

[One4U]

i wouldnt say default , but if ms have a great E3 then it could change ! but we shouldnt forget sony , they have heaps of 1st party devs and with destiny reveal , sony looks like their gonna have a killer E3 !
Lets not also forget the bad practices MS has !
June 11 in AU

[brich233]

Yeah but somehow some gamers manage to base what console thier going to buy based on Xbox Ones Used game policy, and 24hr Drm.

[TomOfAllTrades]

Yer but E3 isn't going to dismiss the problems many gamers will face with the Xbox One, so saying the E3 date isn't going to magically make it better because MS might possibly show some decent games. That isn't going to fix anything; the problem still lies with that off policy's Microsoft that have been put in place.

[ricochetmg]

At this point if you are buying a xbox one you are truly a xbot and a loser. It is not in our best interest as gamera to purchase a console that allows these practices. That goes the same for sony.

[One4U]

even if ms have heaps of games , the practices they have is a huge turn off

[mega31]

Your attacking people just because they choose whatever console they like?

I like the XboxOne, and PS4 ill be getting both, does that make me an Xbot and a loser?

Choose your words wisely, This is the future, the PlayStation will have something like this in the future.

Don't attack people, the playstation isnt god, its just a console and so is the Xbox One

[SpinalRemains]

It won't have anything like this if we don't support this crap now. That's the point. By supporting Xbox, you're part of the problem.

Like a neighbor who puts out pizza for raccoons, ruining the block.

This has to be a collective effort in order to take our rights back. For fuck sake, man....Halo is not a sufficient gain to all these losses. Really. Christ I don't understand why so many gamers are apathetic or just stubborn. Why?

[ricochetmg]

You telling me you brand a turd with a xbox on it you will buy it. That makes you clearly a fool.

[Karpetburnz]

When you're unfamiliar with world class gaming from Sony, it's only natural for these people to be misguided, but don't worry some day they will find a place for Sony in their hearts and they to will indulge and experience our loving community, thank you Sony.

[mochachino]

I'm definitely getting PS4 first but ill eventually get X-1 when it's around 200-250 dollars. I kind of hate MS business practices and think they've f'd up rogally since Kinect came out but I love Halo games and I've always had both consoles since Sega Master Sytem and NES days.

Last gen I bought 360 first, then PS3 after my 360 broke (5 times actually). I ended up getting a 360 Slim later on (mass effect game saves, gears, etc.) but PS3 has been my main console for a while now. Mass Effect is multiplat now and Gears is shit andI also refuse to pay for Live because its sets a terrible precedent IMO.

Ill likely end up building a gaming PC down the road too. Can't help it, I think I'm addicted to gaming. I'd hate for there to be only One console maker, gamers would get screwed but I do think MS need to be taught a lesson on how not to treat consumers like sht.

[SonicRush15]

Seems like it. For me even if they show me games I probably won't get the console basically because of all the rumours that were confirmed yesterday.

[Gildarts]

No it didn't. Rumors said that they were going to charge a fee for used games.
Rumors also said that you wouldn't be able to give your friend a game.

Lending and renting will come in the future.

But now I see why they want you to connect every 24 hours.

Respawns game titanfall uses the cloud for it's AI and some other small things.

Also being able to go to a friends house and access your entire library without a disc is awesome.

Also 10 people in your family can access and play your entire games library. There must be some sort of catch to that one though. it would mean that I can buy battlefield 4 for example and we would all be able to enjoy it.

Maybe there is a limit to the games you can share. Even so it's still awesome.

[SonicRush15]

I stand corrected on those first 2 rumors. But even so isn't it a bit strange that the lend and renting thing isn't something you can do at launch?

[Wintersun616]

@SonicRush15,

There's a word for that kind of strange. Damage control.

[SpinalRemains]

Don't forget about if the internet foes down for whatever reason, Xbox will allow you to watch your TV!

:-D

[Caffo01]

"Also 10 people in your family can access and play your entire games library. There must be some sort of catch to that one though. it would mean that I can buy battlefield 4 for example and we would all be able to enjoy it. "

mhh.. i think 9 ppl have to log in your account to play.. so if 1 is playing the other 9 can't play it.That's my assumption.

[ooquis]

Default??Default jou neus deur my hol jou poes!

[MysticStrummer]

Wow Forbes is usually pro-MS from what I've seen.

[project_pat36]

sorry but if the feds can take all Verizon phone records (even those who aren't on a "watch-list") you know Microsoft is going to forfeit any and all recording from xbun Kinect to the gov if requested so. fair warning.

http://news.msn.com/us/nsa-...

"for the first time that under the Obama administration the communication records of millions of U.S. citizens are being collected indiscriminately and in bulk, regardless of whether the people are suspected of any wrongdoing."

ps4 all the way, don't support the fedbox one

[mega31]

Im sure the PlayStation collects data too. In Fact PS probably reads all your messages and voice and stuff, its just business, and plus, you can turn off the kinect, and you can even turn off commands like "Xbox on" so the camera shouldn't be spying on you.

Every Company takes data from the consumer, some use it for their future products, and some well they pass it on to US Government lol

[ickysweat77]

project_pat36... You must have a short memory; It was revealed in 2006 that the Bush started the warrantless communication surveillance program when he ordered the NSA to build a highly classified wiretapping program to monitor emails and phone calls of US citizens. When Bush asked the phone companies to turn over their records, Qwest was the only company to deny the request, which is why I switched to Qwest back then. In retaliation, Bush sent the federal government to conduct criminal and civil probes against Nacchio, who was the CEO of Qwest. This is not something new. This has been the norm now for 7 years.

[Wintersun616]

What do you mean "might let"? Implying MS could actually have a chance?

[despair]

What you're forgetting is that no way in hell would publishers choose to stop used games sales or trading games on Xbox One without wanting to do the same thing on the PS4. And Sony already said it would be up to Publishers to put DRM or not on their games.

The only interesting thing and the real deal breaker for me will be if Sony has any kind of Online checks like MS has and if not, how would the verification work for games if they need to do it online while the console itself doesn't require an internet connection.

[Wintersun616]

Actually I wasn't forgetting that, I've been wondering about that myself too. One possibility is that the console itself won't require an internet connection at all, but when you insert a game with DRM, it would require you to connect to the internet to be able to play it.

That would be at least a little bit better than Xbone because at least it would give you the option to stay offline, by not playing DRM games. Not saying it would still be good though, because the only good way to DRM is not to DRM.

Also what kind of DRM are they talking about? Because online passes are already kind of DRM. The best case scenario would be that Online Passes are the only DRM publishers can use and they wouldn't be required for all games. (Well, even better would be to get rid of them too, but I have to be at least a little bit realistic here.)

I really hope Sony clarifies this situation very thoroughly and leaves no room for misunderstandings at E3.

[C-Thunder]

The publisher would have to implement the entire system themselves, servers and all, then require the game to have an online connection, then work out their own deals with retailers to allow used or set up a way to purchase a license from the network.

It would be costly and a pain for the publisher. Not going to happen.

[avengers1978]

What everyone seems to forget is all the developers how are loving the PS4, and how Sony came to them for advice on how to make there next console, and asked them what they needed to make great games, and it looks like Sony listened.
The fact is Sony doesn't have to do shit because ms is doing it, and vice versa MS don't have to do anything Sony is doing

[despair]

Thing is that online passes were only for MP stuff so it didn't affect SP gamers at all. But this one means that if I only play SP games I will still need an internet connection just to play my single player game.

Many people will be against this as is evident on so many PC games that have tried DRM of this nature and games like SimCity and Diablo 3 which have gotten a lot of hate for it. I mean those are two big names in the business that got major flak for doing online DRM much less something less known or a new IP.

I'm hoping that Sony will not require an internet connection at all and leave DRM like always to publishers. Then most of the publishers will never try to put DRM on their games because of fear of reprisal by the gaming community like they did this and past generations where DRM were minimal or restricted to online content which I am fine with.

So we will be ok with our SP games and not need an internet connection to play them. Its wishful thinking but one can hope.

Only thing I'm worried about is that EA dropped the online pass system and the only reason would be they found a better way to limit used games and its not just XB1 but all consoles.

[PANTHER1030]

Sony to win only needs to focus in be very friendly with the users, saying not at DRM's restrictions or not at always online requirements and the success will come by itself. Sony is making a great job.

[_LarZen_]

Playstation 4 will probably have the same restrictions...

[despair]

I agree, some of them will be the same but I'm not sure about the online checks every 24 hours which in turn will affect everything else related to used and trading games.

[tuglu_pati]

@_LarZen_

I dont understand how you are getting disagrees.

[mega31]

Because some people, refuse to believe that Sony can do the same, if not now, they can push a system update

The same update that removed the other OS, and pissed off people, and now everyone doesn't care as much.

Sony will do the same, if not now, soon.

[RedHawkX]

nope they already said online is not required

[_LarZen_]

Same did Microsoft. XBO is not required to be online to work but you much get a connection every 24h.

Same can the PS4 require.

But the thing I am mostly thinking will happen on the PS4 also is the restrictions regarding your games.

[despair]

they also said that they left DRM up to individual publishers. I don't believe PS4 will need an internet connection at all but some games might and they won't all be MP games.

[tuglu_pati]

@despair

"hey also said that they left DRM up to individual publishers"

and what do you think publishers will do?

[Karpetburnz]

Yes, when you have a company like Sony who is dedicated to us gamers and our loving community , they win by default in my heart, thank you Sony for giving yet another generation to indulge Playstation.

The Loving way is the Sony way.

[mega31]

I do not know why people are complaining, so loudly, just like the person above said, its your opinion which console you like, why is this site always attacking one console, just be happy with your own, and each console is good for something.

Everybody should be respectful SCREW the damn console wars, just be happy for the PS and Xbox fans, and all of you stop attacking a system which hasnt even been released yet.

You dont want to complaining loudly on the xbox about DRM and then you get hit by a car when PS does something if not same very similiar, just keep pushing the No DRM campaign, but dont attack, these people brought us entertainment, whether we like the companies or not.

[MadMen]

As an Avid Xbox fan, the announcement of the way used games and needing a connection every 24hrs to even play single player has made me re think my purchase, which puts PS4 (if they do not require the same) as a real contender to become my primary console.

Dear MS; you screwed up.

[gamerz]

Me too. I buy all the consoles but the Xbox One is not going to be one of them. It's dead to me already. This article is correct, It's Sony's game to lose at this point.

[rickybadman]

Sony fanboys really think that after pubs forcing MS hand that Sony will stand up for them and tell Pubs to back off. lololol.

[fossilfern]

I have to agree. Sony might not do the 24 hour check rubbish but they are all at the mercy of publishers. If Sony and MS had a united front we could of avoided all of this.

[mega31]

I think, it would have been best if Sony and Microsoft, sat in a boardroom together, and threw ideas on how DRM could be handled, at least work together to make something work

[fossilfern]

@Mega31 Or maybe no DRM at all? Im sorry but DRM is no way to "manage" your product, you punish genuine customers and encourage piracy. What happens in 10-20 years when the generation after PS4/XBone comes? These slimy publishers will have servers shut making the game unplayable, its happening with the original Xbox with DLC not being available for some games.

Sony,MS and Nintendo should of said to EA,Ubi etc that there must be NO DRM because if all 3 said no to DRM what are the publishers gonna do ?

The next generation is going to be a watershed moment for gaming and I worry for the future. I can still play my SNES,N64,Mega Drive,Gamecube,Dreamcast etc and still buy games that STILL work. You wont be able to say the same for the Xbox One in 20 years.

[RedHawkX]

no they arent at the mercy of anybody. the only publishers that wanted this drm crap is ea, ubisoft and activision. thats why sony isnt going to do it because those publishers have more to lose. why buy a crap ea baseball game when sony has the superior one mlb the show. why buy fifa when there is pes soccer. why buy nba live when you can get nba 2k etc. them publishers will lose a lot of sales if they even try to mess with sony.

call of duty will end up like medal of honor series if they want to mess around next gen. medal of honor games used to be the war shooters everyone got last gen then when the current gen started call of duty took over. that wil happen in the new gen to any one of those publishers if they try to f with gamers. gamers need to stand up for themselves and skip the xbox one. get a pc, ps4, wiiu, or handhelds. dont see why people insist on a xbox one. the most popular console and played console wont be the xbox one so take that crap out of the equation. why are you trying to get an xbox one. tell me the reasons but none of you have one. i hope you aint one of them achievemnt people because people will get them by watching tv and you never gonna have the most or anything.

[fossilfern]

RedHawkx I dunno what planet your living on but Sony dont want to lose EA,Ubi or Activision. And from your comment your talking like I'm defending the XboxOne, mate I have been against MS's practices for years now! All im saying is that the industry needs a united front because regardless of how "better" PES is Sony DONT want to lose Fifa, they dont want to lose COD, they dont want to lose Assassins creed.

Sony will try and keep the middle ground but if Sony,MS and Nintendo had a united front all of this rubbish could of been avoided.

[Karpetburnz]

It's ok young one, Sony forgives. Join us in our loving community and you will be treated with world class gaming, Thank you Sony, my role model.

[GamersRulz]

PS4 WILL win next gen simply by releasing at the same time w/ similar price point.

hardware superiority, No DRM are icing on the cake.

[first1NFANTRY]

to the disagrees:

The ps3 has already surpassed the 360 in sales irrespective of the 360's one year head start, lower price point and media bias.

What makes you think the ps4 won't win next gen with everything going right for it this time and M$ shooting themselves in the foot? come on now.

The mere fact that both consoles are releasing roughly the same time guarantees Sony to win the next gen race judging by the events of this gen ofcourse.

[SpinalRemains]

This isn't even about whether or not SONY consoles will outsell One consoles.

This is whether or not Xbox will even survive the Gen. Its an absurd turd of a machine and only a diehard will buy it.

I honestly see no way this monster of consumer hate, pro corporation, right stealing digital beast can even stay afloat. Its going to take divine intervention to save it. There are no rain delays in free enterprise, so MS is royally screwed.

[mikeyphi]

Has any1 taken into account the fact that you have to download EVERY GAME TO THE HARD DRIVE? LOL! 500GB isn't gonna last very long with 30GB games. Not to mention any media that you'd like to save on your hard drive. With Microsoft's proprietary hard drives, I see problems for any XBone owner. And frankly, I'll buy one (after I get my PS4) just to say I have it, but I see this thing collecting major dust in my living room...

[windblowsagain]

So you'll buy xboxone just to say you have it?

Like wtf.

If your willing to let it collect dust, you might as well buy a WII u as well. Major dust collector.

[FrigidDARKNESS]

Artile is fanboyish and has no merit. Cant wait to see the faces of Sony fanboys when Sony nnounces their Drm policy.

[C-Thunder]

Me Too. The joy in their faces when they announce everything is going to be the same as it is now will be touching.

[pabadamus1]

Well written piece. Sony would be remiss to not take this opportunity to move in the opposite direction. We need a system that plays games first and foremost and guarantees our rights and freedoms as consumers and gamers. The question is, is the core/hardcore demographic large enough and viable enough to support a pro consumer/gamer ambition from Sony? To put it another way, can Sony count on 'us' to support a machine that ignores these draconian measures imposed by the publishers? Well, I hope they make that bet.

I hope everyone can see that what MS is doing is bad for us. These companies should be making gaming easier not restrictive and obtrusive. Let us hope Sony doesn't follow suit.

[brianunfried]

I like to keep all of my old systems and pull them out once in while for some retro gaming. Appears you won't be able to do that with Xbox One. In twenty years when the servers are shut down you will be left with a giant blu-ray player.

[Inception]

Damn. I don't care who's winning the console race between plastic box. But right now i'm SCARED if that ridicilous always online DRM & used games practice from Xbone will be the standard by video games industry!
It surely will screwed us, gamer, who enjoy this hobby. And i will quit gaming if the whole video games industry approved this disgusting practice as the standard prcocedure for future video game console T_T

[Monkeyonfire13]

You mean "Have to win" by default. its like the looser congratulating the winner. Dude you still lost, chill.