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"The PS4 has GDDR5 advantages": Developer statements on the power of PS4 and Xbox One

Housemarque, developer of Super Stardust HD, talks about the hardware of PlayStation 4 and Xbox One. "PS4's GDDR5 is an advantage over Xbox One", the studio said in an interview with PCG. Housemarque also talked about Indie games, CPU and more.

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bicfitness4390d ago

Let's not forget the GPU which has a 50% raw power advantage.

coolmast3r4390d ago

lol at disagrees. dude's right.

ZodTheRipper4390d ago

Don't mind them, they probably know it themselves.

Boody-Bandit4390d ago (Edited 4390d ago )

You get disagree when you write "water is wet" on N4G.

On topic:
At this point PS4's specs are irrelevant to me. It could be half as powerful as the X1 and I'm still getting it now that MS has officially confirmed all the unnecessary restrictions are true.

The fact that the PS4 is significantly more powerful is just a bonus. But what else would you expect from Sony? They are not in the business of gouging (paid to play online subscription fees & licensing fees for all peripherals like their main competitor) and unnecessary restrictions. Their consoles was open ended (non proprietary... nearly any headphones, communication device, keyboard, mouse, FFB wheel, usb perp, etc... works on the PS3) this generation and most likely will be next gen as well.

Just look at the plethora of new and amazing IP's they brought out this generation with all their 1st party studios. They are still coming out. Even with their new console being released months away! That is how Sony provides for their consumer base and that is how it should be and what consumers should EXPECT from them.

Sony actually listens to the developers and more importantly listens to their consumers.

So I guess this time the phrase "Next gen starts when Sony says it does" couldn't ring more true. At least as far as I'm concerned. Since I have officially jumped ship (CIAO MS) and I am asking for Sony to please throw me a life preserver and welcome me a board.

For the 1st time in my lifetime of gaming (been a gamer since the inception of gaming), I will officially be a 1 console owner. I guess that means Sony will get all my gaming budget.

Jdoki4390d ago (Edited 4390d ago )

@Brutallyhonest

I am likely to also cut back to one console, a PS4, as I don't agree with MS's strategy and the Wii U doesn't have the games I want to play.

However, I think it's a little naive to think that Sony are not going to have a very similar DRM set up to MS in some respects.

Sony have already said that they are leaving it up to publishers to enforce the DRM - which means they have some sort of DRM (even if it's only support for season passes etc). The only silver lining is that the PS4 has been confirmed as being able to run offline.

Also, the Blu-Ray standard has DRM built in that allows locking out dics. I suspect that the DRM MS are using incorporates some of that standard - in which case the PS4 will have it by design (whether it is accessible and 'turned on', is the question). Even the PS3 had the ability to lock out discs because of this - but Sony never activated it.

This may go against the grain on N4G as people are really championing Sony right now (and I am equally as excited by the PS4) - but Sony have tripped themselves up in the past, so it wouldn't surprise me if we saw momentum swing towards MS after E3 because of some stupid announcement by Sony.

RiPPn4390d ago (Edited 4390d ago )

@Jdoki Even if there is some form of DRM it won't be nearly as convoluted as the Xbone offering. On top of that there will be no mandatory Kinect as the PS4 Eye is optional, there will be no 24 hour check in as Sony has said the system can remain offline, and at this point we can assume there won't be a mandatory paid subscription model like xbox live gold, and the system is far more powerful. So those reasons even with DRM put it head and shoulders above that blackest black turd.

Jdoki4390d ago

@RiPPn

Yeah, I completely agree the PS4 appears head and shoulders above the rest. And to be be honest even if it was lower power, and had more restrictive DRM I would still buy one because I much prefer the Sony exclusives to any other platform.

My main issue with MS is their strategy and lack of games, not the DRM.

However, you are still speculating about the PS4's DRM being less convoluted - we really don't know yet. And considering this is the company responsible for the root kit fiasco, pushing proprietary media to control and profit from it and so on, no one should be surprised if they do something stupid.

nix4390d ago

sadly, the difference will only be seen on sony exclusives games... the third devs will make sure that the games look same on both platforms. remember PS3/360 days.. Cell was powerful but look at the 3rd party games.

i just hope that it doesn't happen though.

SolidStoner4390d ago

lets try?!

water is wet!!! and that's a fact, I tried!

or is it? :)

Angrymorgan4390d ago

No sir, water is definitely not wet!

Enemy4390d ago

It's worth noting that Housemarque were the first developer on PS3 to put out a mind blowing 60fps + 1080p experience on the console.

starchild4390d ago

Nix, don't be naive. There is all the evidence in the world that devs took advantage of the architectural strengths of each console and plenty of games DID look better on the PS3. But the PS3 was also difficult to develop for, which is the true reason multi plats sometimes suffered on the ps3.

Now the difference in power is massive between the ps4 and xbox one, and the ps4 is actually easier to develop for. Multiplats will definitely have advantages on the ps4. You can take that to the bank.

SonyPS3604390d ago

Like someone else said, even if the Xbox One was more powerful, i'd still be getting a Ps4 instead. Unless sony decided to do some of the same things with licencing, of course.

fr0sty4390d ago

Did it really take a developer to come out and say it before people would believe it? I guess some people can't tell the difference between 68gbps and 176gbps. Or 18CU's vs. 12.

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nthstew4390d ago

i cant he believe he got dislikes... the truth is always bitter i guess ..
PS4 is powerful than Xbox one just admit it...

jp_footy24390d ago (Edited 4390d ago )

And let's not forget that 3gb of ram is for the OS.

Blackdeath_6634390d ago

well clock speeds havent been confirmed so we can't confirm the ammount of teraflops the XBone will be capable of it could get much worse if under clocking rumours are true or they can risk overheating the processor in favour of more power. anyways it seems like the way microsoft is trying to style it out is by claiming the "cloud" will provide extra power to your console which is absolute bullshit and even if it were true it would mean games that use this feature will require a constant internet connection like sim city which also supposedly running through the cloud

bicfitness4390d ago

@ Blackdeath. If you read the article I linked, the Xbone developer panel inadvertently confirmed cycle counts and clock speeds by listing the number of operations per second. I posted the pertinent quote.

sourav934390d ago

Hey! Don't forget about the cloud! MS made the XBONE future proof with Azure! It is the best conso....HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Sorry I couldn't hold it much longer :'D

ProjectVulcan4390d ago (Edited 4390d ago )

We don't have confirmed clockspeeds. We don't. All we have is strong rumours the GPU core was supposed to be 800mhz.

I say strong, because the specs that were leaked 6 months ago turned out to be dead on with every other architecture spec, cited this speed as well.

Clockspeeds way back then however were still just a moving target, you tried to hit it, but if you had problems or it turned out better you could alter clockspeeds very last minute without too much difficulty.

If the yield problems are true, then Microsoft can either simply buy up more manufacturing capacity (very expensive) to ensure they catch up with demand sooner rather than later, or modify the final hardware specification so more of the chips pass QA. One possible way to do this is indeed lower clocks.

This isn't unusual, it is called 'binning' in the industry. That is, the best quality parts have everything enabled and run the highest clocks and sold at a high price, the rest are then graded and downclocked/units disabled accordingly and sold for less.

This being a console however you have to find the cutoff point where you can realistically use a chip or not, and throw it away.

If they are throwing too many away this isn't the sort of problem you want to deal with so close to final assembly deadline.

That deadline by the way has to be exceptionally tight, if this machine is to launch this year.

They could start making the machines but suffer shortages, and that probably means a paper launch (launch in theory, little hardware in practice in stores) or Microsoft possibly even restructuring the launch dates, maybe going with USA market launch this year and everybody else next year.

wishingW3L4390d ago (Edited 4390d ago )

don't forget about the 2 cores of the CPU that are reserved only for the TV features. lol

TheSurg4390d ago

And PC is more powerful than any of these...what's the point?? I want new technology not a slight upgrade in graphics! I want innovations, new ways to play games, to feel like you are part of the game. Both consoles will be very close in terms of graphics, and even if one of them will have slightly better shadows or something else, IT DOES NOT MAKE THE GAME! I'd chose innovation over smoother shadow anytime. You guys are just hilarious. If ps4 would be weaker than X1 you all would be saying it doesn't matter games matter! bla bla. Seriously...children..

papashango4390d ago

@theSurg

I'm not excited in the slightest for next-gen. It will just be as you said higher resolutions, higher res textures and that's pretty much it.

You're going to have current gen games on better hardware. Not entirely innovative.

The only thing and I mean ONLY thing that excites me about the gaming industry coming soon is the Occulus Rift.

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bicfitness4390d ago (Edited 4390d ago )

For the disagrees (not that it matters, I feed on troll fear):

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

"In terms of the GPU hardware, hard information was difficult to come by, but one of the engineers did let slip with a significant stat - 768 operations per clock. We know that both Xbox One and PlayStation 4 are based on Radeon GCN architecture and we also know that each compute unit is capable of 64 operations per clock. So, again through a process of extrapolation from the drip-feed of hard facts, the make-up of the One's GPU is confirmed - 12 compute units each capable of 64 ops/clock gives us the 768 total revealed by Microsoft and thus, by extension, the 1.2 teraflop graphics core. So that's another tick on the Durango leaked spec that has been transposed across to the final Xbox One architecture and the proof we need that PlayStation 4's 18 CU graphics core has 50 per cent more raw power than the GPU in the new Microsoft console."

Truth can be a hard pill to swallow.

P.S. Also:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

Rumor (confirmed by an MS insider) that MS is downclocking the GPU to get the yields up on the obscenely large 5 billion transistor chip. So expect a further hit in Xbone performance if they rush this thing through to market - which they will, I'm sure.

GamersRulz4390d ago

easy on them man, Xbox fans are in huge state of denial.

I've seen some of the most stupid excuses ever in the last 3 weeks. Someone @ B3D said that the ESRAM will bring X1 performance to 1.5TF. and another one saying X1 is better because controller has trigger rumble. other people believed the cloud BS....I swear its pure comedy to watch.

DARK WITNESS4390d ago

To be fair, I think most xbox fans are seeing the writing on the wall.

it's only the most diehard of xboxfanboys that are still trying to sail this ship

IRetrouk4390d ago

And sail it will, all the way to the bottom of the sea.

Death4390d ago

"rush this thing to market"...

They've had 8 years to work on this. I'm not sure I would label it as "rushed" without the risk of sounding stupid. Sony launched a year later and revealed their next offering faster. I still wouldn't say they "rushed" things either.

In all honesty, I'd probably wait for real world results before claiming either console better. Sony is notorious for their claims of power that go unrealized by developers.

wishingW3L4390d ago

@Death MS just started working on the XBone's OS last November (2012) and if you remember, the reason for the RROD on the 360 was due to them wanting to be first in the market. They rushed the console and made millions of faulty GPU chips and even though they knew about it they still launched the console without giving a single fuk.

TheSurg4390d ago

@GamersRulz

And it is a pure comedy to watch ps4 fans talking about power like ps4 got any chance against an overdated PC. Consoles are not about power. If you already assume that ps4 is better than xbox one because it might have slightly better graphics, the you are automaticly aprooving that ps4 is piece of crap compared to a modern PC. I for one believe in console gaming, and I've been here playing games when most of you didn't even exist. People like you are a disgrace for gaming.

Now think about it. If ps4 would be the weaker one, you'd find any other excuse to prise it over the other. GROW UP. Gaming doesn't need any more kids.

adorie4390d ago (Edited 4390d ago )

@Death
No, they haven't had 8 years to work on it, the've had around 3.6 years or so. They've started work on Xbone in late 2010. That information available in an official video released by Microsoft.

Sony's been working on PS4 since 2007.

@Death again.
Shhh. Visit the link.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

Death4390d ago

Both the PS4 and XboxOne development started prior to the launch of the last gen of consoles. Once a console reaches production status the team working on it moves to the next platform. This is the way consoles have been developed since the Atari days. I have no problem believing the OS wasn't finished earler since the development process takes a very long time. The PS4 doesn't even have a final shell and it's supposed to be released this year.

Consoles are not rushed, this includes the 360. The flaws of the initial batch of 360's rests on Microsofts inexperience as a hardware manufacturer, not on the time table it was released in. The original Xbox's abrubt demise was due to nvidea's refusal to scale GPU manufacturering costs as prices came down.

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OlgerO4390d ago

Yes and multiple reliable sources on Neogaf have outed that microsoft is having some serious yield issues with the ESRAM which would make the difference even bigger.

IcicleTrepan4390d ago

This has been debunked by Major Nelson.

bicfitness4390d ago

@Icicle That debunk was refuted by the insider. He is adamant that it is true. And seriously, Major Nelson is nothing but a PR mouthpiece that has been caught lying or distorting the truth several times for years now, whereas this Cboat guy has NEVER been wrong. Ever. Remember this:

http://majornelson.com/2005...

Originally Posted by Major Nelson:

"Xbox 360 has 278.4 GB/s of memory system bandwidth. The PS3 has less than one-fifth of Xbox 360′s (48 GB/s) of total memory system bandwidth."

That whole interview is a complete crock of shit from beginning to end. Major Nelson has been towing the company lie (yes, I played with words there) for years upon years. How is anything he says credible?

OlgerO4390d ago

@bicfitness Hey man great find.

JoySticksFTW4390d ago

MS is definitely having hardware issues, and that goes beyond just low ESRAM yields. Each tech issue they try to fix, is bringing about new problems. The same goes for their policies too.

Top MS guys thought Sony was going to come out with a significantly weaker system and much later.

The PS4 reveal caught MS off guard with an earlier release date and beefier tech.

MS now has been scrambling, dodging, obscuring, delaying, and cancelling ever since.

And it was going to be way WORSE! We should ALL thank Adam Orth for his blunder.

Due to the backlash from his arrogance and telling twitter meltdown, MS actually loosened the noose a bit. Now our hopes dangle dying slowly, instead of a quick drop and snap of the neck.

That Xbone check-in every 24 hrs was originally every Three MINUTES. That's right. Offline for more than three minutes and you suddenly cannot play your games, single-player included.

If people can't see what an ill-conceived rush job Xbone has become, then they never will.

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fei-hung4390d ago

Gddr5 or not, right now the only thing I want to hear from HM is a Dead Nation sequel. I love that game to bits. It's the the only PSN game which I haven't deleted an still continue to play. Dammit HM, we know the PS4 is awesome, just give us a sequel! :p

plmkoh4390d ago

They really nailed the zombie atmosphere on Dead Nation, definitely would like a sequel. However they have expressed a lack of satisfactory sales with the first game.

Reverent4390d ago

The thing I really loved about Dead Nation was that despite it's comical style, it still took itself seriously. I too would love a sequel.

duckmysick4390d ago

They have another unannounced game being shown on Monday. I think it is it. But who knows, all of HM games are awesome.
BTW, you should check out plus if you haven't.. Great way to play games you normally would pass on...

fei-hung4390d ago

I've had plus since day one :) best gaming purchase ever!

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Ju4390d ago

Maybe I should disagree. Because if MS needs to downclock the One it's rather 100% more GPU power (drops to 900MF vs. 1.8GF). LOL

Animal Mutha 764390d ago (Edited 4390d ago )

*Allegedly* We don't really know anything about the GPU clocks/power yet. Only rumoured so far.

If MS have to down clock to to yield issues then the gap could widen.

Edit: Just read the above comments from bicfitness. Fair play. Will check that out. ( teach me to read all replies first!)

I also take Major Nelson with a massive grain of salt.

SuperLupe4390d ago (Edited 4390d ago )

So Avalanche comes out and says that Cloud is an advantage for the XOne over PS4 = bullshit

Super Stardust HD developer ( .... ) comes out and says that GDDR5 is an advantage for the PS4 over the 360 = cheers and high five by the N4G community.

What makes Super Stardust HD developer a lot more credible than a far more respected and established studio like Avalanche ?

Both systems have their advantages, just like this gen. You cant be n° 1 everywhere.

MysticStrummer4390d ago

You're ignoring that multiple devs and tech experts have dismissed the cloud advantage. For the vast majority of people it's just not feasible yet to do what MS is claiming, and those 300,000 virtual servers aren't going to suddenly make it feasible.

Revolver_X_4390d ago

You know SuperLupe, you and greenpowers have alot in common. If it aint an N4G hot topic, you know nothing about it. These so-called gamers need to research more, before trying to be a smart @ss.

SpinalRemains4390d ago (Edited 4390d ago )

One of the advantages doesn't exist.

Answer me one thing please?

If the cloud was such a viable option and is the equalizer for this generation, and every console must be online, why does the Xbox One even have standard architecture? Wouldn't you think it more financially responsible to rely solely on the magic cloud to cut back production costs and have your console priced lower?

Of course that would make sense. Guess why they didn't do that, and they went with standard architecture to run games? They did this because the cloud is pure propaganda. It is nothing more than a fairy tale created to offset the reality that the console is inferior to PS4 in every way. From graphics to load times to restrictions and fees.
-Every single aspect of the One is inferior unless you love the ability to watch your tv that you already used to watch without the One.

At best it's a redundant novelty and at the worst it's money sucking, corporate wet dream which will play the new Halo after you install the disk.

strifeblade4390d ago

^^^^^^ you fools replying to his comment? You guys are pure fanboys, give credit where its due, what happens if cloud computing can offload some things like some ai and some physics to the cloud? then you guys would feel pretty stupid.

Avalanche studios are not the only ones using the cloud- look at respawn entertainment's exclusive for xbox one called Titanfall- it was leaked that this game does in fact use the cloud to offload some simple physics and ai to the cloud= and this game comes next summer. look it up.

Oh wait respawn is probably lying, they have an exclusive for xbox one- it all makes sense now lol.

duckmysick4390d ago

How about a revered game!?!? Or how about a game that was 60fps 1080p and 100x better than anything avalanche has ever made!?!?..or fuck it, don't take their word for it. Choose any developer that's not on M$ payroll, and they'll gladly tell you that xbone ain't shit!

dumahim4390d ago (Edited 4390d ago )

@strifeblade

You're not going to be able to offload AI and physics to the cloud because of latency. This stuff has to be done as quick as possible. There are quite lengthy articles out there that go into a lot of detail about how bogus all this cloud talk is. I think one said about the only good cloud computing would be good for would be lighting calculations in some situations that aren't time sensitive.

edit: here.
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

"To put this in perspective, when the logic circuits of a CPU want some data, they have to wait a few nanoseconds (billionths of a second) to retrieve it from its cache. If not in cache, the CPU has to wait as much as a few hundred nanoseconds to fetch the data from main RAM - and this is considered bad news for processor efficiency. If the CPU were to ask the cloud to calculate something, the answer won't be available for potentially 100ms or more, depending on internet latency - some 100,000 nanoseconds!"

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MysticStrummer4390d ago

"Let's not forget the GPU which has a 50% raw power advantage."

Let's not forget One's 3GB OS footprint either.

dumahim4390d ago

To be fair, I don't think there's been confirmation of how much memory the PS4 will allocate for the OS. I do think the rumor is 1 GB, but I haven't seen any confirmation.

RedHawkX4390d ago

yep the ps4 is far more powerful and thats the console everyone wants and the devs like.

greenpowerz4390d ago (Edited 4390d ago )

They disagree because we got PS3 fans running around acting like they are experts quoting devs and forum goers that have no idea what they are talking about because PS4 and Xbox One hardware has not been explained in detail to no one. People are making general statements based on vague/general info and speculation based on pre XB1 reveal rumors.

The developer making an actual xbox One exclusive TitanFall said:

"Still dealing with unfinished hardware and software, so it's "still a little rough going at times."

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

There is a reason MSFT has not announced the details on the hardware yet.

MSFT has not revealed performance or details on specs. 8 core CPU and 8 gigs of ram is all MSFT has announced along with very customized chipsets.

LOL bicfitness running around spreading even more lies about clock speed downgrades ignoring MSFT debunking the rumor/lie
https://twitter.com/majorne...

ESRAM+8gigs of whatever ram the Xbox One has puts the Xbox One on par with PS4 I've been reading. I'm more interested in detailed info of the CPU and GPU in the XB1

IRetrouk4390d ago

Its like watching a meltdown today with you lol you can only defend stupid decisions for so long, get a ps4, dont worry you wont be lonely, i will add u as a friend.

bicfitness4390d ago

Yes, I've even gone as far as to infiltrate Digital Foundry, and to pose as the Xbox One creative design team for a round-table discussion in which their specs were confirmed and thereafter broken down by several news agencies, including DF.

That was sarcasm, clearly. Maybe you should take your head out of the "clouds" - pun intended.

BlueTemplar4390d ago

"fans running around acting like they are experts quoting devs and forum goers that have no idea what they are talking about because PS4 and Xbox One hardware has not been explained in detail to no one."

Yeah, its stupid - everybody knows thats your job!

DoesUs4390d ago

"ESRAM+8gigs of whatever ram the Xbox One has puts the Xbox One on par with PS4 I've been reading."

Not by a long shot buddy. Worse GPU also, but keep cashing them cheques dude.

sAVAge_bEaST4390d ago

I hear M$ is unleashing the Reputation Management trolls.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

adorie4390d ago

Doesn't matter what field you work in, your drivel is such a misinterpretation of fact, and pure fiction, it pains me to exist where you do, furthermore, My condolences to your common sense.

MrSwankSinatra4390d ago

why do you alwasy gotta defend microsoft are they paying you or something, there isn't one article about the xbox one that doesn't have you defending it. get a life.

monkey nuts4389d ago

Damn it I got trolled by green powers, usually don't bother reading his desperate ms shill crap but as I'm on my phone I missed the name and started reading his comment. Got maybe 10 sentetnces in and was like lol this guy is delusional, scrolled back up to see who it was and bang! I been trolled.

OT: after getting burned (not literally) by rrod twice this gen I pray ms have learned their lesson as far as rushing a release, if only for the fangirls. If there's a similar problem with the x1 and they still stand by their console of choice then surely they are really sado masachists disguised as fanbois.

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chcolatesnw4390d ago

LMAO the hipocricy strikes again
Remember how PS3 had WORSE GPU than the 360? Yet it still produced WAY better looking games than the 360? (Uncharted Heavy Rain God of War).
I'll laugh so hard if cloud computing helps One get better visuals than your holy play station 4. Im gonna copy and paste all these retarded comments and you guys are just gonna say who cares about graphics its all gameplay and story. Ahhhh the ps sheep with hypocrisy over 9000

wishingW3L4390d ago (Edited 4390d ago )

because Them Cells... But this time around they both are on equal ground sharing same architecture and everything. The only exception is that PS4's has slightly more powerful hardware on every front. Better Ram, Better GPU and Better CPU so comparisons are even simpler because you can take face value for granted.

http://techreport.com/news/...

Persistantthug4390d ago (Edited 4390d ago )

Cloud Rendering, the way Microsoft is trying to infer, is a total fairy tale.

Why?
Because Even if you have really fast internet.....
that's only approx 6MB (MegaBYTES) per second.

PS4's CPU/GPU calculates something like 20,000 MB per second (probably alot more).

So basically 6MB vs 20,000MB

It's so miniscule, that it isn't even worth the effort.
Maybe next decade. Probably not, but maybe.

chcolatesnw4390d ago

"So basically 6MB vs 20,000MB"
AHAHAH ARE YOU FU*@ING RE&ARDED???!?!?!!?
AHAHHAHAHA
AHAHHAHAHAH
first of all
AHAHAHAH
"LIKE 20000 OR SO" AHHAHA
WAY TO PULL NUMBERS OUT OF AS$ to make it sound like sony got the all might computing device AHAHHAHAHAHHA

You have NO CLUE how it works.
You see, most of the stuff is rendered by the server computer, then STREAMED to you like goddamn NETFLIX. JUST BECAUSE NETFLIX CAN PLAY HD QUALITY (10mbps bitrate), DOESN'T MEAN YOU NEED 10mbps speed to get the fu*king stream at 100% quality. In fact you only need about 3mbps to keep constant 100% buffer.

And video games work the same way as movie. It contains data, which is measured by mb/s in bitrate in a movie, cept for games its a lot larger
Blu ray ~40mbps
Game ~70-100mbps (if you wanna test it go record a game play with FRAPS and see you get 5GB of recording for 2 min of gameplay. Get media info and open the video file with it. It will say bitrate.

SO GTFO IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU TALKING ABOUT TROLL/PSSHEEP/PSSLAVE

T24390d ago

don't care because I'm still not putting a spybox in my living room with drm and no game lending so even if they up the ante with games I'm still out... you can copy and paste that.

Fatal-Aim4390d ago

@ chcolatesnw

WTH!

FYI, the PS3 had a CPU (aka Cell) that assisted the GPU.
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
http://forum.teamxbox.com/a...

The Xbox360 had nothing of a kind. So of couse the PS3 was able to outperform it later on down the line. The only drawback was the processor being so difficult to develop for in the beginning, which is it took so long to see those results early in.

As far as the X1 goes, it doesn't have a Cell-like CPU to aid it's slow GPU. Microsoft is banking on the cloud to somehow magically enhance everything that is gimped about this new system, which sounds very PR centered when you start adding up the facts around such a ecosystem. If anything, it is an excuse to compensate for the fact that the console is underpowered. All this PR trash reminds me of the Kinect when it was getting ready to launch.

But don't take my word for it, wait it out if you like.

stuna14389d ago

I had to ask! Since when are movies like video games!? Like never! The closest a video game comes to a movie is only potentially when it's streaming cutscenes.

A movie is free flowing media meaning it plays out the exact same way everytime you view it! A video game on the other hand relies on a persons actions and depends on the reflexes! As of now there is nothing on the market that can predict a persons actions in game without there being some form of lag.

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GDDR6_20144390d ago

The difference isn't that big. Want something powerful? the top of the line 7990 is 5 times more powerful than ps4's GPU, even a 7950 ($280 today) is 50% more powerful

Corpser4390d ago (Edited 4390d ago )

You guys sound just like pc elitists

jmc88884390d ago

Let's not forget that is IF the xbox one actually achieves 1.2 TFlops.

With reports out that the Xbox one might be in the realm of 800-1000 GFLops (0.8-1.0 TFlops) because of chip issues, then it might be a good deal more.

A drop from 1.2 to 0.9 would be a 100 percent raw power advantage. 0.8 even worse.

I've seen reports that the Wii U is 576 GFlops, which would be 0.576 TFLops. If the much more expensive and much more limiting Xbox One is only 0.8 TFLops, then M$ has a major problem on its hands.

Garbanjo0014390d ago

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The facts are undeniable, XBO fans will argue with anything to prove that they love their console the most. The fact is, yes PS4 is a better console than XBO, it has better memory, better GPU, and honestly, they don't run background tasks as an almost primary state of content. They utilize it in the background, running most of the RAM for games, while XBO uses much less for games and utilizes most of it's power for other things like web browsing, TV TV TV!!! or (basically) anything BUT gaming.

horndog4390d ago

Yes yes, we know how ultra powerful it is just like how ps3 was supposed tobe 10x more powerfull then the 360 with its cell chip, emotion engine and abilities to cure cancer. Its what the devs can do with it but lets wait and see what that "50% more raw power" means when compared to xboxone games. After all the proof is in the pudding. No sense aboult boasting specs on paper. Just look at how that 10x more powerfull then xbox360 played out. If the ps3 was supposed tobe 10x more powerful this gen then I aint getting too excited about 50% more raw power.

GribbleGrunger4390d ago (Edited 4390d ago )

This is what the Xbox One can do. Lococycle:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

duplissi4389d ago

one caveat, the ps3 had complex and unorthodox architecture, whereas the ps4 has a much more conventional architecture (which is going to be very similar to the xbox one) so based on that its highly likely that we will see a bigger gap between the two.

DJMarty4390d ago

and PS4 CPU clock advantage(Xbox One rumoured under clocked to avoid overheat issues),

4>1

Zoomer764390d ago

Nice to have qualified game designers here at n4g to give there opinion and expertise on these matters. I thank you for your invaluable knowledge.

imt5584390d ago

Maybe more than 50% raw power if Microsoft really downgrade GPU because of EsRAM yield problem.

Sincere01214390d ago

Don't matter how much power playstation may have, its still the worst console, playstation have good graphics and thats about it. But when it comes to gameplay, playability and 1st party titles thats where they fail.
Everybody goes on 3rd Party Support but there unable to support themselves if they had no 3rd partys because the the quality isnt there.
If I want a true gaming console Wii U is definately the one for me.

Andronix4389d ago (Edited 4389d ago )

@BrutallyHonest.

Water is wet.

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Wizziokid4390d ago

"PS4's GDDR5 is an advantage over Xbox One"
Yeah that's been said all along

amiga-man4390d ago

Not the only advantage with all the crap M$ are trying to force on gamers.

Gazondaily4390d ago

"Except for the memory type and the graphics unit here roughly sketched the architecture of the PS4 is not very different from the Xbox One."

Will this mean that we will have a similar scenario like we have this gen, except that the PS4 will have slightly better multiplats?

One4U4390d ago

i dont think so , if you look at ubisofts new engine for watchdogs and AC4 , they made the games for next gen console and scaled some stuff down for this gens consoles ! same with cod ! so i reckon we will get the better looking games on the ps4 and scaled down version for X1

GamersRulz4390d ago (Edited 4390d ago )

they simply mean: They have the same CPU!

So no, difference will be huge in favor of PS4.

EDIT:
also don't forget the recent MS "resolution freedom announcement" that might indicate that X1 GPU was downclocked decreasing X1 performance to just 800Gflops ( less than half PS4)

Gazondaily4390d ago

It will be interesting to see how drastically the games are scaled down for the X1. Time will tell but its a given that the PS4 will have better multiplats.

wellard4390d ago

Its not slightly better in those departments, its quite substantial and unlike current gen the architecture is the same, meaning whatever tricks MS might use to bring, the illusion of better graphics and more power could be easily duplicated on sonys system

dumahim4390d ago

I think you're right.
Most devs are not going to bother putting extra effort into making one version of the game look better than the other. I guess most of the differences will be native res and framerates being higher on PS, while the rest looks nearly identical.

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mynd4390d ago

Might have been said all along, but not in that article. WTF?
I was looking for the actual statement but its not there.

project_pat364390d ago

lets not forget... its playstation.. even if it were the other way around sony would figure out a way to boost the components power to crush the xbun

sandman2244390d ago

I think it's going to come down to what exclusives you like more. Also what controller suites you. Because let's face it. We won't have to worry about what multiplatform game looks better anymore.

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Housemarque Reveals It Has No Plans For Live Service Or Free-To-Play Title

Ilari Kuittinen and Gregory Louden of Returnal developer Housemarque have revealed during an interview with Eurogamer at the studio’s 30th anniversary event last week that it has no plans to develop live-service or free-to-play games, “as long as people are buying premium games.”

kpgs24d ago (Edited 24d ago )

Why would they change? That's not where their expertise is.

Redgrave24d ago (Edited 24d ago )

Didn't stop Sony after acquiring Bluepoint, taking them from renowned remaster and remake quality and sticking them on a GoW live service title that never even went anywhere.

I can't speak to what gives Housemarque the ability to be different, but let's be thankful that they are able to do so in wake of current Sony.

Cellblock1124d ago

Well whats different about Housemarque which Sony also owns that they can tell Sony what they will and wont do but the others couldn't?

derek23d ago

That GoW live service game was the dumbest idea ever. I thought they were remaking Bloodbourne or a Demons souls expansion (covering that broken arch stone). Sony was really panicked after that abk/Microsoft news hit. I hope it was a side project for Bluepoint and that there's another one in the pipeline. That GoW game apparently never got off the ground.

Eonjay23d ago (Edited 23d ago )

Blaming Sony for pursuing Live Service when the top 5 games every month by spend and engagement are live service games is illogical. Gamers are telling Sony where to invest so there is a real disconnect between what is said online and what people actually play. Who should Sony listen to? Clearly the logical decision is to listen to people actually playing games and whether we like it or not Sony would be in vioulation of it duty to its investors if it didn't try to pursue LS. People taking out their fustrations on Live Service games by attacking Sony and using it as the industry whipping boy does not fix the industry. You are just telling the rest of the industry that they can keep doing what they are doing because they aren't called Sony. All I hear people say is that they hate live service but every single month the top games are live service. You are all either lying or you don't know what you are talking about. Sony should pursue both SP and live service games.

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Housemarque On PlayStation Backing: You Couldn't Have Made Such Investments As An Independent Studio

Housemarque CEO Ilari Kuittinen claims that the studio couldn't have made investments on big budget games without the backing of PlayStation.

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ravens5288d ago

Wonder who the rival buyer was 🤔

1Victor88d ago

@raven: “ Wonder who the rival buyer was 🤔 “
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One guess start with a micro and end in a box 🤣

thejigisup87d ago

Thought you were going to say it ends in enis

Michiel198988d ago

all so caught up in your little war that you forget Tencent would even be a possibility, how cute

pwnmaster300088d ago

So is Ms not a possibility?
If people say Ms does that bother you?

Michiel198988d ago

what of my answer implies that? there is a reason i used the word possibility and didn't say: "it was tencent"
but i guess nuance is not a console war veteran's strong point.

1Victor87d ago

@michael: “ all so caught up in your little war that you forget Tencent would even be a possibility, how cute”

Psychologically speaking the key word is RIVAL think about it and take out your I’m better than you glasses he is speaking as a Sony employee and we all know there’s little to no rivalry between Sony and and any other company besides Microsoft Xbox and at the time the latter was on a acquisition binge rage.

Kid the only war I got going on is against ignorance, next time think before you write otherwise you’ll end up an obscured character without any trust on your words.
Do not expect any response after this.

Michiel198987d ago

nah if it was a rival there would be mutual respect.
This is shameless slandering, double standard and no integrity all over an imaginary war for a company who doesn't know you or care about you so ofc im gonna call that bs out.

Talking like a sony employee is exactly what is so disturbing, you should only do that if you get actually paid for it, like an actual employee.

and don't call me kid when you can't even spell microsoft and instead turn it into microbox, psychologically speaking ofc

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Fishy Fingers88d ago (Edited 88d ago )

It was probably more than likely Tencent or Embracer. They're the ones gobbling up smaller studios during that time.

Bathyj88d ago

This is the way you buy studios.
You work with them for years. New collaborate and have a mutually beneficial arrangement. And then you buy them. You don't simply gobble them up like.locusts just because your dad gave you $100b.

It's gow Sony got blue point. It's how Sony got insomniac.. I can see Arrowhead being the next acquisition if this trend continuous.

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gold_drake87d ago (Edited 87d ago )

this is the difference between sony and ms

sony has long standing relationships with these companies before they talk purchasing

ms just waves the dollar signs and lets them die.

Michiel198987d ago

yeah lets just forget the bungie purchase and how quickly they bought and closed the concord studio

gold_drake87d ago (Edited 87d ago )

bungie has been in close relationship with sony for a long time and they remained independent, so u are proving my point.

and yeh, firewalk studios was closed due to concord. but i never said that ms does that. i said they leave them to die after purchasing.

reading is a learnable skill

Michiel198987d ago

sure they had a super tight knit relationship with sony, gimme a break. Then ms must have been basically bff's with bethesda and activision. Bungie remained independent? they've been hopping to get bought by or financially supported by companies like a cheap hooker and they keep messing up. They've barely been independent in their lifespan.

You say the difference is they build up relationships, i gave you 2 examples that they didn't but then the excuse train comes out, prime example of gross fanboyism. Condone one for what you condemn the other for.

StormSnooper87d ago

I can’t wait for their next game.

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5 Game Reveals We Expect To See In 2025

Richard Bailey Jr. of The Koalition writes: 2024 was a special year for new game announcements and reveals across various broadcast industry events. From the official return of the Virtua Fighter series to the revival of several Capcom franchises like Onimusha, there is no doubt that the future looks bright. With this in mind, I wanted to put together a quick list of a few game reveals I fully expect to be announced within the next 12 months of this calendar year.

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Knightofelemia162d ago

I would love it if Capcom would throw a curve ball shock everybody with a Dino Crisis remake. I would day one the game if it came true.

BrockEmSockEm162d ago

5. Resident Evil 9
4. The Next Final Fight (Street Fighter)
3. Housemarque’s Next Game (They made Returnal)
2. Horizon Forbidden West Sequel
1. Half-Life 3