Sony isn't the only one listening closely to fan feedback.
We'll find out come E3.No Drm,used game fee,kinect required,no online check evry 24 hours etc.....
Hopefully. Not sure just how much will be confirmed at the show.
Good! No Majin-vegeta don't confuse what xbox fans want with what known sonyfanboys who were never going to buy the X1 anyway want. Most xbox fans are not worried Kinect will spy on them, as you can see in the feedback forums, twitter etc and remember sonyfanboys said the same thing about the original Kinect yet none of that BS ever came true "Kinect Is Spying On You" 938d ago http://n4g.com/news/638161/... Vast majority of xbox gamers are online, multiplayer is huge on xbox and oh look all these sonyfanboys complaining have internet too or are you guys always typing that nonsense from your cell phones? lol, Now what most xbox supporters want is for them to fix the used game DRM/fee. Check the forums.
I think there's a very real chance data will be collected whether you like it or not on both consoles. Did you know trophies and achievements were used in such a way? I'm tempted to go retro the more I hear about next gen.
@unicron I dont know why u have so many disagrees..sucker punch said they looked at trophy data to determine which ending was played the most to gauge which way the story for second son would go. Although trophy data I dont mind at all
@JOY I won't disagree with you that people shouldn't generalize their own concerns as everyone else's. But that said, those are their concerns and you have no say in whether someone's going to buy it or not, also there a concern in how used games fee and what not would affect the whole gaming industry (not just Xbox One) so it is still a valid questioning, doesn't matter from who it comes. This very article shows we should indeed be vocal, even more 'cause we are not asking MS to remove features that would harm other fans, but to make this stuff optional. The only think everyone wants to see go away (even you apparently) is blocking used games, and here the heat is not only MS, but also in Sony and even more in 3rd party publishers...
Agreed bishop, what I mean is there are often lots of different concerns gamers have if you read forums and if the console manufacturer actually listened to every single nitpick from every single gamer they would never finalize their plans, fact is you can't please everybody furthermore as a company you have to have a healthy balance between listening to feedback and following your company vision of whats best for your product, in that regard I believe what seems to be most frustrating to the core/majority of xbox fans is the initial used game policy as stated by Phil Spencer, therefore its in microsofts best interest to listen and try to do something to resolve the issue, but trying to appease every gripe, especially from those that likely are fans of another brand simply trying to railroad the discussion due to their own agenda would be counter productive/never ending. The small minority that yells the loudest aren't necessarily the most important, recognizing/differentiating between those who have consistently contributed helpful feedback both negative and positive/history over the years and listening/considering their recommendations produces far higher quality results/changes than listening to every random individual on the internet. The reality is microsoft has got to draw the line somewhere or risk being held back from making progress.
Now we're listening to the Horde of Internet Cry Babies? Let's see where this goes.
@JOY i agree 100%, you look at games this gen like Uncharted 2 MP where they listened to the miniority a lowered the health in a patch which screwed the MP before a few patches got it in order. Listening to feedback and losing track of their vision for the XB1 need to be avoided. IMO the feature set isnt the issue, its the DRM and 24 hour check ins. Im fully content to wait it out in the current gen til they get this stuff worked out..But im sure Sony and MS will give us full disclosure on their plans at E3.....The one that doesnt wont get my money and if neither are clear, hey GTA5, Batman, Beyond 2 souls, BF4 and AC Black flag all on current gen this Fall
Of course MS is, why wouldn't they? They wanna make the XBO as great as possible. Just like the other console manufactures.
@JOY The average Xbox gamer does NOT want DRM or mandatory kinect. You can't spin that no matter how hard you try by focusing on the surveillance conspiracy. Majin-vegeta didn't even mention that.
JOY Sorry but you are just plain wrong. The gaming community at large has spoken about how much it is against Microsoft's Xbone's requirements. I know you have issues with the N4G community but you REALLY need to go to other web communities and see just how upset gamers are over this. You always always declare fanboyism, but guess what , every gamer is a potential buyer whether you like it or not.
after you buy ONE they'll be listening to you even more.
Every rumor has to be cleared at E3 2013. Seriously, MS will lose so many customers if they don't address this ASAP.
nah I have 25 agrees on my above post thats like every known xbox fan on this site thats a record, sort of like getting 1000 agrees from the sony supporters on this site which means I'm right and you are wrong end of discussion. lol, seriously though I dont see many of those on n4g or the xbox forums with a history of supporting 360 up in arms about always on.
At JOKESONYOU. Where are all these fake xbox fans? I'm a xbox fan look at the comments of people like me that say they where xbox fans from before 2013 and you will see it is true I was a xbox defending fan. Microsoft can cross reference xboxfans emails with there own major nelson website. And xbox live accounts. They know it is not just Sony fans! You are in denial like Microsoft was previously! Sony fans do NOT make up 90% of the console fans. Last time I checked in the USA Microsoft has more fans and yet most of the comments here are NOT pro the consoles POLICIES. Are you telling me you dont care about losing resale value and being force to go to a group of designated retailers to sale your game? HAVE to have internet to play a game or watch tv? Are you kidding me? HEAD OUT THE SAND STOP SELLING YOURSELF OUT!
indysurfin you don't speak for ALL xbox fans any more than I do, and based on most of the well known xbox forums I've visited there is NOT a lot of dislike for always online (from usual/long term site members of xbox forums, micros not stupid they recognize new accounts that just show up to troll the threads) which is what I pointed out above, also it is perfectly revelant to note that on an extremely pro sony website that I've noticed that the majority of those who have clearly been fans of the 360 are NOT upset about always online, while vice versa its no coincidence the most negative about X1 are those with a CLEAR undeniable history of hate toward Microsoft/360, yet you actually question why I don't take them seriously. lol I never said ALL xbox fans feel as I do, hell everybody will never ALL agree on anything, you could say the Sun is hot and somebody would disagree doesn't make it any less true. I'm generalizing but for the most part its true, and its not even close on n4g. If I had my head in the sand then I would have not emailed Microsoft directly voicing my complaints over used game drm, I would not have comment on xbox feedback forums my complaints about used game drm, I would not have tweeted my complaints about used game drm on twitter and I sure is hell wouldn't have said countless time on n4g that I hate the idea of used game fees, but I know BS when I see it and many on this site don't give a shiii about xbox brand or the new console they just want to complain about EVERYTHING. -If me highlighting all the BS and hypocrisy bothers you then you might want to just skip my posts in the future 'cause like it or not, call me what you like, but I'm going to keep stating MY opinion. The disagree button is your friend.
have a bub+ i totally agree you what your saying. as a longtime xbox supporter many of the issues most fanboys have are largely from sony fanboys and not xbox gamers.from the way the console looks to the way a executive came on stage with a smile on his face.it's a problem for sonyfanboys. yes DRM/fee's are the major issues everyone can agree on. everything else isn't that much of a concern. as for always online(which will be with Multiplayer)I've don't really have a problem with it since i have to do the same with steam and even when i do take it offline. i still have to go back online for updates. which is something many so-called gamers and lovers of steam have no problem with at all. my problem which I'm sure many have stated time and time again is to be clear on their position on how they will handle leading games to family and friends without a fee and kinect having to be connected. I know MS and sony want to play that "we will leave it up to the publisher" statement. to be realistic "NO" publisher is going to say hey lets not charge a fee for our games being sold at gamestop or any other place that take trade ins. cause we just want to lose money. that just being idiotic.
if microsoft is listening to facebook, it means they will go ahead with used-game fee and always online most of my guy friends on facebook think xbox one is cool and even a few girls i know think the tv watching stuff is neat. so yeah. im not getting one because i dont care about that stuff but even though it seems like microsoft is saying 'we are listening' in reality they are just listening to the people who agree with what xbox one is trying to do
Microsoft: - "We Are Definitely Listening to Feedback" ......... - "LA LA LA LA!" *Blocks Youtube comments
Yeah, that's kinda what I'm thinking, too. "Listening to feedback" does not magically erase the core philosophy that led to the creation of Xbox One in the first place. It also needs to be pointed out that every single key player who was responsible for the Xbox and 360 have left Microsoft.
By listening are the referring to conversations being picked up on Kinect? The idea of Microsoft "listening to feedback" is laughable. They've never done it before and wouldn't trust them to do it from here on in.
There's a difference between listening to feedback and reading a bunch of trolls which I'm sure the youtube comments were full of.
I could care less about the DRM, the one time I traded my games in at gamestop I left feeling like I got raped. I don't care about a Kinect that's always on but I do care that's its mandatory I have one. I don't need or want tv, I have directv in four rooms. Xbox one can't do that without buying four of the dang things. The fact that all my XBLA games won't be transferable is my biggest complaint.
@Docknoss When most people get rapped they dont give up there right to go somewhere else. They dont want to be forced to go to one of the rappers. Microsoft has already confirmed that they will have designated big store ONLY able to buy/sell used games. Most people that get rapped don't agree to pay a fee to the designated rapper. But buying a xbone does just that you pay a fee.
@Indysurfn, you used the word "Rapper" so much it became cliche. Nothing is concrete until the console is released. I've heard rumors of soby not allowing DRM is it true? No one knows.
considering that they've already signed their partnership deal with EA, i doubt they'll go back on any of those things. EA didn't drop their online passes for no reason, you know... a fee for used games is probably the exact reason why they did away with the passes. so the only thing i can see happening is MS deciding to just *lessen* the fee amount. edit: however, if they happen to do away with the fee altogether, i might actually start considering making a purchase.
@Docknoss Listen to Microsoft press. Phil Harrison does say that with his own mouth, he is a high ranking VP.
@Majin-vegeta Why would anybody disagree with you? truth be told if it wasn't for DRM, always online, and kinect stuff i would buy an Xbox One.
Well if the feedback they're listening to is the ass-kissing I saw in the replies to the comment then I guess it doesn't matter. Seriously though. If MS is truly listening we will see. Listening isn't the same as doing something about it, and that goes for Sony as well before people come in and call me a hypocrite.
how about simply no kinect at all .... then its a console lol
at this point i don't care if they are listening i know it's not gonna make a difference they'll still use these anti-consumer methods. so for me i'll just hold off not getting their system for a few years since i already have a dvr cable box. as for publishers like EA i think i'll just pass on their games, and maybe gamers will ban together and make EA paid for their business tactics.
M$ listening to us? well so is Kinect...
oh yes is like everyone wants to pay to play online for starts
How can they? I don't have a Kinect.
But everyone will have one with the next Xbox. Everyone. Apparently even the PS4 is getting one - which better be unplug-able...
Did you just seriously compare the PSEye to Kinect?
But is feedback they want to hear honestly feedback?
I got MSs feedback right here ,,/,, (thats real muture there i know) just saying what most of us are thinking.
If they are listening to feedback why disable the comment section of your youtube channel? This is just more sidestepping & tap dancing from Microsoft.
Exactly, Microsoft just like to contradict themselves it seems
Maybe it was getting to vulgar and aggressive with the comments? Idk that could be a reason.
True, but it is Youtube when is there not vulgar and aggressive comments.
YouTube does get that way most of the time, it seems. OT - I hope MS is listening, for the sake of their fans here and elsewhere. Some of the possibilities raised by their own patents are just plain wrong.
I'm happy to hear that :-)
Major Nelson also tweeted they are listening... MS is not dumb. They are better than any other company about managing themselves out of messes. There is a reason they have been on top of the PC industry since the early 80's... They do the right things to survive.
"MS is not dumb. They are better than any other company about managing themselves out of messes". Yea, but on't say that around here. It's a sin...lol
I don't know if pointing out why they were the top of the PC industry is a good way to dissuade people's concerns. They were terribly anti-business back in those days and did everything they could to control the PC market, some of it illegal, all while saying that they provided the best customer experience, blah blah blah. If you don't believe me go do a google search on MS anti-trust.
They are just good at talking and marketing their products. People still think that Windows is the best OS out there.
I have been involved in the tech industry since the early 90's... If you were there then you would've saw that MS saved us from IBM's control of the industry... Yes, MS got caught as illegally bundling IE with the OS... By the way, how many OS's do not have browsers bundled today? Seems kind of moot... No one would dream of buying a phone OS, tablet OS, or PC OS without a browser now. That was a witch hunt just like the current Google witch hunt at the EU.
@zod18. Windows is the most complete OS on the market today. Best is a personal preference. There are no measures that you and I can agree to to measure for the "best" OS... Some people value efficiency, some compatibility, others functionality, others hardware support, etc... Best OS depends on how you are using it and what you are using it for...
Kinect is listening. MS is not.
LMAO no you're not! your intentions where clear way before the public scrutiny. I wonder if they would have cared if the backlash wasn't present. Oh btw, disabling your youtube comments isn't listening to feedback. What a joke of a company. The blind will still believe them religiously though. people are quite scary.
all i know is if they continue on the same coarse they are on i will be buying a ps4. i want a game console not a cable box.
Even if they do listen, it's probably too late to make any big changes, especially to the hardware.
Their games and authentication policies could definitely be changed. That's a software thing through and through. Always on kinect could be tricky if there is no other way to control the system, as it would require a fundamental rewrite of the OS. I doubt there's anything in the hardware itself that requires the Kinect, other than maybe the post process.
Seeing just "how amazingly well (/sarcasm)" they handled Windows 8 I doubt they will change anything.
If MS decided to make the changes then that means a delay in launch. And seeing as there are many changes to make it would seem like a bare minimum 6 month delay.
I'm sure many people would accept a delay if it means retaining their ownership/privacy rights. It would suck to have to wait, but would be well worth it in the end to the customer.
It's interesting how this is very similar to something Sony said about the no DRM Twitter campaign, but that thread seemed to have a lot different reaction. I know this is N4G and all, but all you can ask as a gamer is that a company takes notice, I wont lie and say that I hope they remove everything that people have been complaining about here, because I feel some is nit picking, but I hope for no used game fee, and as long as you can game if your internet should happen to drop, I'm happy. I know that isn't what the consensus around here is, but it's my personal opinion. Also, hopefully we get 2 hours of E3 jam packed with great games and epic announcements.
You think all those horrible anti consumer stuff that Microsoft are doing is "nit picking"....wow, just wow.
This isn't listening http://www.gamespot.com/for... if anything this poor act goes against expression, freedom of speech. I get it, their PR department is trying their best to ease the issue but what they have made obvious is how often they seem to contradict themselves. To be fair, i do believe they will have a great e3 and i also believe that they'll manage to sell this system one way or another. But to expect some of these people in here to react as if none of this ever happened much less trust them is a bit much at this point in time.
To those who are disagreeing with this guy are mainly Sony fanboys. He only said some positive things and nothing negative about neither Microsoft nor Sony. Jek one thing I'm glad about Is the internet are only a small minority not the whole community. You keep doing your thing because basically because why should us or Anyone on this site give a damn about what others think on here especially since we will never meet them in our lives :-) on topic it's good to see Sony and Microsoft listening
I comes across as disingenuous. Sony said it so MS had to say the same thing. It's pretty silly to assume that they aren't listening. I'm sure their PR department and executives are well aware of what people are saying. I'm sure this is true of Sony as well. On top of that they blocked comments on their feedback channels, and barely responded to anything other than to say we're "misinformed". That is a completely different way to handle the situation. And so the comments are going to be different. Sony played it cool, while MS played it reactionary. Right now Sony doesn't need to confirm or deny, whereas people want answers from MS.
Consumer rights, privacy laws & always online are not nit picking. Microsoft should be torn apart by its fans, not defended.
Bioware said the exact thing regarding fan reactions to Mass Effect 3's ending. "We assure you, we are listening." Whether or not they listened, they still did little to improve things so as not to "compromise" their "artistic integrity." I have little hope Microsoft will make significant changes to their new console, but I would certainly love to be surprised here.
I have a music disc that had to activated on the pc before you could listen it and wasn't MS the DRM was so strong you had reactive it from time or would not play on the pc.
Good, if they get rid of everything we hate, then we can get the PS4 purely for the power and exclusives and not this other junk. But seriously, they drop the drm, always online, and live fee just to play online and I'd be tempted.
The used / rental fees the thing I want NOT implemented most. I could live with some of the other stuff but not that. I want my games to have value and for me to have the choice of how I obtain the game whether I purchase it new, used or rent.