GR said, "We chronicled many of the workers’ Tweets that showed just how humbled the company has been by the thousands of statements pouring in, and even more evidence has come in showing that the movement is working."
They're listening and didn't shut down the comment section.Unlike another company.Sony knows how important gamers are to them.Come on guys keep tweeting. @Below exactly just wish instead of everyone fighting each other.We would come together and fight these corporations.
gamers are like a family, don't tear them apart.
They also know how much $$$ there is to be made so i'm sure they are trying to remain objective in this matter. See how it plays out before doing anything themselves that would make/break their companies future.
I've been with playstation for about a decade and I don't regret it at all.
They know the potential money that could be made. What they don't know is the potential money that could be lost. All of it is a risk, even for MS, and the publishers, and they all know this. If they had concrete reason to believe that this plan would be successful they would just confirm it's true and roll with it, and the rest of us be damned. The only reason they wouldn't in this scenario is if they cared about their customers enough not to rip them off, and I haven't seen a lot of that today from some publishers.
Gamers are like families and just like in every family there's a guy who's always talking shit or starting trouble. We gamers call them trolls. Lol
Never take sides against the family.
Gamers are like a family? No Gamers are a bunch of self entitled whiny girls. If a character looks different they complain, form petitions and Abuse developers. They argue about which piece of plastic that both do the same thing is better or worse. They get people fired from a dream job because of a joke to a friend on twitter. They act as if they are the be all and end all of gaming and anyone else who does it are stupid and taking away they're hobby. Gaming isn't really a community, Its just a bunch of argumentative crying hypocritical fools.
Sony is likely under a lot of pressure from developers like EA to implement some sort of DRM scheme on their console. I imagine that due to this campaign, there are some high level meetings going on between Sony reps and reps of EA, Activision, Ubi, etc. right now. I imagine Sony is trying to walk the fine line that keeps these developers still wanting to release their content on PS4 (it would be a catastrophic loss for them to go exclusive on Xbox One) while keeping the gaming public happy. The important part is, they actually give a damn about keeping the gaming public happy. It's a complicated situation for them, I'm sure.
Really guys? you really think they'll change the plans just because of some guys on twitter? What IF they do and XO with all DRM and online check every once in a while STILL is more succesful and sell more than the PS4? they're going to backpedal and alow it or simply lose all third party software?
@ jc48573: "gamers are like a family, don't tear them apart."
Playstation is still the best. I have supporting them from the beginning. Go Sony keep up the good work for us gamers.
Have you seen the comment on Ms? The majority are rude and disrespectful, and a good part are just trolls. It's not as bad against Sony. Plus, Microsoft said they were listening to fans so.
They are business, like all businesses they want to make money, and believe it or not we're the minority.
Implying that they can't make money by not using DRM. There's this insane idea that, you know, people will support companies that listen to them. Publisher may not like used games, but guess what, plenty of gamers do. If one console blocks them, and another doesn't (removing the Wii U from the equation because, let's face it, it's just been washed away by the tidal wave this week), which console do you think gamers are more likely to support. The one WITH DRM or the one WITHOUT DRM. That translates to a loss of NEW game sales for the console that supports the DRM, and that's FAR worse than allowing used games to have their place.
Nope, I'm saying they can't live without the likes of EA, who have forced this on the platform holders, it won't be different for two consoles, Nintendo an exception... However EA aren't too keen on releasing any games for the WiiU are they?
Yes they can. Please, you think EA can make money by themselves? EA can chest beat all they want to. It won't mean a damn thing if people move away from the consoles with DRM to anything that doesn't have it. @joeorc below: I understand the point you're trying to make there, but I think jimbobbeers means that the casuals outnumber us, because they do. EA used them to justify always-online thanks to them buying SimCity, and they also used them to justify microtransactions. It sucks, but we are outnumbered. That said, we're also the foundation and early adopters so we kinda matter more if these companies want a success they can build on.
Don't you think Microsoft would have been just as bullish? I just feel all sides would have already made an agreement, and what's done is done. I hope you're right, as it'll make my choice next gen a lot easier. Thank you for defending my case with regards to what joeorc said, that's exactly where I was coming from.
"They are business, like all businesses they want to make money, and believe it or not we're the minority." of all the..OMG were the minority? How does that even make a lick of [email protected] sense? Tell me how we Gamer's are the Minority? Game consoles are made for ..get this sparky..Gamer's! shocking , right? So how is Gamers are a Minority group for a game console? LMAO. The PS3 was played 2nd fiddle to 3rd party's mainly by the large (3) 3rd party publisher's all this generation, so what's one more generation?. Call of duty DLC hits Microsoft's new box first before it hits playstation 4, Fallout DLC content hit xbox360 first before it hit PS3,gta dlc ALSO HIT THE XBOX360 BEFORE IT HIT THE ps3. So you really think these 3rd party can push Sony in adopting a practice of DRM when Microsoft gets all DLC first anyway? i doubt it, that DLC is worth Million's. The 3RD party developer's need Sony just as much as Sony needs them my friend, and Since Microsoft is geting the priority treatment by publisher's again you really think they could push Sony further when they are not getting DLC day and date with the xboxone? Doubt it . I keep seeing that 3rd party would push Sony to do it, but what would Sony get in return, why do it if Microsoft is getting priority with DLC? they can wait for the game to come after, because that is just what they did with the PS3!
didnt Microsoft buy the timed exclusiveness of the dlc rather than the devs giving it to them.
"didnt Microsoft buy the timed exclusiveness of the dlc rather than the devs giving it to them. " that's the thing we do not know what the deal is, remember the DLC for GTA was reported @50 million, and it lasted how long? a year? that's the Thing the cost of doing thing's has gone up but the point is if it goes up for publisher's it will go up for every publisher, thus it becomes a point is if you push too far you may end up loosing your Hat. tread careful how much you try to push. The fact that if your publisher want to sell software you want to "sell" it that is the key, you do not want to let it sit out unless your resources is spread too thin.. as a matter of fact EA stated they pan to reduce the number of packaged media and invest more into Mobile software.
The hardcore gamer is a minority, but the number of people against all this is huge. We aren't a small group, and even with a huge casual/moderate base which outnumber us, our numbers are enough to make them have to consider us as well. If you pick up an extra 100K casuals, but lose half a million hardcore, then they've achieved nothing. The trend of last gen was to bring more people into gaming. You can't do that if you're pushing a large number of them out.
A lot of these $$$ comments are working of the assumption that putting in DRM will financially boost publishers etc.. Step back and look at the PC for a moment which effectively has DRM in most of its games one way or another and is that really working for publishers? Torrent sites are max'd out with EA games and people ripping there software. I suspect all DRM does is promote more piracy, who has the numbers to actually backup the case for DRM = more $$$ ? What platform has this ever worked on, certainly it hasn't worked on the PC, why would it work on the Xbone considering that's all but a PC...
This is why I like Sony, they listen.
Playstation gamer till i'm 20!
So when your 21 your no longer a playstation gamer?
Actually 19*. Military. I'm going to focus on my life but until then ill enjoy the ps4 for about half a year!
a man too!
I too took a couple years off from gaming in my early 20's. Then I came to my senses ;) 30's now, and find no difficulty balancing gaming with my work and social life. All that really changed is no more marathon sessions.
Find a GF who plays games, have some kids who also play games and you got yourself a raiding party on some RPG's. I fully intend to instill the art of game playing in my kids so that i can make this scenario come true, lol
@Namikaze My wife and I are hardcore gamers, been together 6 years(just got married last year) Daughter just turned 1 and she knows how to properly hold and use a ps3 controller lol, though she can't make heads or tails of the functions lol. Got another baby due in November, I'm on the fast track to creating my own mini-army of fighting game pros :)
Ha. I turn 40 on last of us release day. You can never leave the family. You will try but you will be back. They always are muwahahaha...
Blood in, blood out.
Im 42 now and stil game after work and on weekends. Gamers come in all diffrent ages and walks ok life. I think we should also be campainging to ms about this as if they are gettiing pressure to use drm then so is Sony. I think if we can stop one we will stop both or it would be suicide for one to do it and not the other. Anyways both ms and sony had planned drm which is obvious so now is the time to hit them both.
BlueDodger323 - Not sure why people do disagreeing even after your statements of being in the service. Thank you for your service!
that's the dumbest thing i've heard.. focus on your life? okay.. well i got my bachelor's degree and a job making 80k a year all well playing games... Cant wait for ps4 and guess what ill still have a life.
it shows they are not taking these comments lightly, keep it up gamer's. This is a proactive stance by gamer's. Do not matter which is your fav. system all gamer's need to tell them how you feel about this. The fact that it has so many right now in a matter of days shows that it is a very real concern. And the fact that the people responding are no lower chain, but upper chain directors, is a very good sign.
What I love about this post is that the Sony PR VP pretty much shut TotalBiscuit up. I like TB, he's a pretty good Youtuber, but sometimes he's far too arrogant about his opinion on things. Doesn't help that his accent makes him sound a tad bit more smug, but that's not his fault.
It's great to see gamers come together for something positive, let's hope Sony listened.
This is all well and good but in the end Sony will have some sort catch to the hole used games issue just like Microsoft. And don't blame Sony for it either, blame the EAs, Activisions, SquareEni s of the world. They are the ones pushing this not the console manufactures. A DRM system will be in place in some shape or form... it's just business.
"And don't blame Sony for it either, blame the EAs, Activisions, SquareEni s of the world. They are the ones pushing this not the console manufactures. A DRM system will be in place in some shape or form... it's just business" YOUR RIGHT, BUT IT GOES BOTH WAYS, WHAT INCENTIVE WOULD IT BE FOR SONY TO REQUIRE IT? Example: I keep seeing that 3rd party would push Sony to do it, but what would Sony get in return, why do it if Microsoft is getting priority with DLC? for the Game, i doubt very much EA can choose to ignore the PS4 also, and make exclusives to the XBOXONE unless Microsoft pays for it! They would not be able to Generate enough Money to do it. for the cost in investment and the return would not be great enough let alone ingnore both Legacy systems of the xbox360 and the PS3! Im not saying 100$ it would , but im saying the likely hood of it happening is very slim due to the fact that EA Generated more revenue from playstation platforms more than any other platform, yes even the XBOX360 look at their finacial's. That alone pretty much makes this play for EA pushing Sony to adopt DRM like that pretty much a non starter from a business prospect! Remember The xboxone would have to carry the number all by themselves, and if EA wants to make more money they would need to support as many platforms as they can to make up the ROI.
You're absolutely right EA or Activision would never just ignore Sony if they didn't implement a DRM system however the incentive to publish new IPs or DLC first or simultaneously across systems would be virtually impossible from a business standpoint. Would EA publish a new IP that historically do not sell that well in first release on a system that has no used games policy or one the one that does? It's not coincidence that EA has decided not to publish much on Nintendo, pulled out video reel for the Xbox show, and have decided not to use their online pass any more... when there's smoke...
Sony will not include a fee for used games or DRM, but I believe they will leave it up to the developers, that way they wont be putting their hand in their fans pockets but they wont piss the developers off either. If a developer thinks that business model is the route they want to take, it will be on them, and not Sony.
can I blame MS. I think I would blame them even if Sony decided to do the same since it seems that MS are the ones leading this sort of anti consumer policies. Everybody else may have to follow suite, if only not to be at an economical disadvantage.
The PS4 runs offline so its really not feasible for someone like EA to put a DRM in without requiring the user to be always online...this on a console that doesn't force it so EA or whoever are immediately going to alienate a lot of people if they implemented something like this. It simply won't make sense for a publisher to do that and it'll probably be a legal minefield considering the console runs offline. Sony can sit back and say its up to the the publishers but would any really do it? Look at the fiasco of Sim City. I just don't see it happening, for me DRM doesn't work as a model anyway just look at the PC and the rampant torrent sites full of EA games. All it does it promote piracy.
If Sony decides not to implement DRM on the PS4 making EA not publish for the system, i honestly wouldn't care. The only thing EA has managed to do this gen is destroy all my favorite franchises making them irrelevant to me. EA can huff and puff all they want but at the end of the day Sony will decide whats the best course of action for the PS4 and its fan-base.
I thought there was a chance of publishers withdrawing support too, but honestly, they have far more to lose from doing such a thing than Sony, especially if Sony threatens to revoke their PS3 publishing rights.
Agreed everyone says EA will do this and that if Sony don't implement it but bottom line is it would be commercial suicide for someone like EA to drop Sony. EA and Activision can scream all they want but I just don't see it. This console runs games offline, that much has been made crystal clear, how do you implement DRM on a console that doesn't require you to be online.
I can see EA going into PMS mode over this, but Activision probably doesn't care too much. They haven't implemented any sort of online pass system on CoD unlike EA or even Sony.
Don't automatically assume Activision are involved. Remember they never imposed online passes for Call of duty and they could've made a load of money right there.
this is a crazy situation - is Sony's supposed to single handedly decide the fate of the gaming industry (and GameStop) between now and E3 ?!?!?! that should've been an open topic discussed by an industry panel of devs, publishers, console makers, retailers and GAMERS (via internet)
I love what Im seeing, I love when companies listen to their cosumers. If Sony comes through for its fans I will continue to support them.
I don't think Publishers will want a vastly different market model on any of the consoles. What I think is, Sony will provide them with the means to do this DRM on the PS4, but will opt to not do it for their own published games. Even that would be quite a feat.
Pretty well? Just a litle DRM then?
If the major developers such as EA, Activision, 2K, and Ubisoft are seriously pushing for DRM on consoles, there is a chance that they are telling Sony that they will not make games for the PS4 anymore if they do not add some form of DRM or used game resale system. If Sony declines to do so, forget exclusive DLC - we're talking 90% of the major franchises exclusive to Xbox One. Call of Duty, Battlefield, Madden, Assassins Creed, FIFA, GTA Bioshock etc. Believe me - Microsoft would market the everloving hell out of that. And gamers, whether or not they have loyalty to one console or another would have to buy an Xbox One if they want to continue playing their favorite franchises during the upcoming generation. In essence, Microsoft would de facto corner the market on the biggest games while Sony would have to settle for their first party studios and smaller companies. I don't have to tell you how bad this would be for all of us. Sony would not survive in the console business (which is a very bad thing) and Microsoft and the major publishers would only be competing with each other. If you doubt this is a possible scenario, you clearly underestimate the power of money and corporate greed. I guarantee you that the 5-10 bucks you save by buying used is not worth missing out on 100's of games that you already love.
and all it would take is a probe by the justice department for Collusion, and you bet these companies would not want that. if they are found to be in Collusion, they will all face very heavy Fines! not to mention a Anti Consumer practice Probe too boot.
"and all it would take is a probe by the justice department for Collusion, and you bet these companies would not want that. if they are found to be in Collusion, they will all face very heavy Fines! not to mention a Anti Consumer practice Probe too boot. " Frankly, I think that is going to happen anyway, This used game scam that game publishers and the consoles are devising and trying their best to implement go's against consumer protection laws and I have mentioned many times the first sale doctrine of copyright law. to be honest, I can see how the pubs got away with online passes because they were providing a service to paying customers. but, to take the right of ownership away from consumers for an expensive product, and rival companies have made back door deals to all do this at the same time is just itching to get noticed by the justice department and it foreign equivalents across the globe. Or, at least I hope that consumer rights will be defended by our governments, like they should.
Youre suggesting that publishers will elect to lose revenue by not using Sony. That aint happenin Your premise is based on their greed, yet they somehow elect to lose customers in the 10s of millions? Come on
But if there's solidarity between publishers, as in, black mailing Sony unanimously for their own stupid agenda, Sony may bend under pressure. What it may do, however, is to not implement such DRM on their own published titles. This way, it would have listened gamers, while shifting the blame to the correct direction: publishers.
They wouldn't lose customers under this model - they would just have customers buying a different console to play their games. Example: Assume 50 million Xbox gamers and 50 million PS gamers buy a total of 30 million EA Games. Then EA drops support for next Gen PS model. People who are fans of EA products (there are many many people in this category) decide to buy an Xbox One instead of a PS4. Then you have 80 million Xbox One owners and 20 million PS4 owners buying the same 30 million games. Publishers don't care what console you buy their game on if all things are equal - a sale would just be a sale. And next gen is early enough right now for publishers to enact their policies and influence the makeup of the market. This wouldn't work in the current generation because there are too many consoles already sold. But next gen is still ay zero sales and the impact of this would be felt tremendously. It's almost reminiscent of HD-DVD and Blu ray. I think that this happening would be terrible, but very possible. I'd rather DRM than not getting to play games. I'm buying both so it doesn't matter to me as much, but the majority of gamers will only have one for at least the first few years if they ever end up getting both.
are xbox one would-be-purchasers also doing this or are they just accepting the DRM and used games fee?
Sony is not going go down this path trust me, they care about there fans will not tarnish PlayStation brand.. Microsoft on other hand love to bend there fanbase over give it to them good Microsoft knows one way the xbox way..
Any update on whether or not the PS4 camera will be mandatory like Kinect 2.0? I trust Sony's judgment, I just hope they do the same with the camera not being mandatory!
just another reason y u gotta love sony
If you guys could help me spread around #PS4ButtonRemapping like we have been with #PS4noDRM and #PS4UsedGames, I'd be super grateful. I'd love something like this because I have a muscle condition that keeps me from easily pressing in the sticks, but I know that a lot of able bodied gamers would love this feature too. Here's the two tweets I posted: @Yosp @jpkoller @luckylongworth @rohdescott @nsuttner @shanewatch @sidshuman @morganharo Support handicapped players! #PS4ButtonRemapping! and @Yosp @jpkoller @luckylongworth @rohdescott @nsuttner @shanewatch @sidshuman Let us map L3/R3 to the touchpad! #PS4ButtonRemapping! Whether or not you care about this function, please do tweet these out. It would help me tremendously if implemented.
Lets see what happens... Sony is going to have to please both publishers & fans
They gonna need all the help they can get after taking the beating they did this gen.Losing over 5 billion on the PS3 and just now starting to make a profit.Plus they are dead in america due to the fact the Xbox 360 owns the U.S.With the 360 no doubt being the winner this gen when you look at the billions in profit since sep 07 and over 80 million Xbox's 47 million live member,25 million kinect.The Xbox One will be doing 6-8 million this holiday at launch world wide. So yea sony better hope they are doing well because all the next gen talk i see is Xbox One
There's a very easy way to counter piracy. Simply have each game with a code within the disk itself, install the game on the PS4 to then it can only be playable when the correct install disk is inside the PS4. Simple.