Tim Vines, director at Civil Liberties Australia, told GamesFIX that Microsoft has a lot to answer for with a product that has the ability to listen and watch everything a person does.
"This is not quite the Xbox One unveiling Microsoft had hoped for." o'rly? you don't say...question is what are the governments going to do about this.
Always watching always listening..... Xboxone reminds me of the TV show 'cheaters'
What's really funny is how people were bashing the PS4 for allowing your account to be tethered to your facebook, having real names attached to your PSN account. They screamed about privacy, even though it is stated as a completely optional feature as well as having controls over which people see your screen name and which see your real name. Now Mircosoft comes out with a mandatory peripheral that is always listening, ALWAYS. A device that scans your living room, notices when any new face is in front of the system, listens to everything you say and watches everything you do while gaming so it can tailor ads to what it thinks you'd be interested in, is required to be plugged in for the system itself to work. There's nothing optional about it and we're supposed simply trust mircosoft when they say it won't be used in any underhanded ways? Why make it mandatory? They're obviously up to something.
Watch the movie The Island. They use Microsoft Surface and feature the Xbox... ...I wonder if they are telling us something.
@FamilyGuy: Trust me (You'll just have to); there's a big question mark - several in fact - regarding Sony, their camera and social plans. Really, with the PS4 not really doing that much different from the PS3, its going to be a while before I pick one up. Less so if they try to do things which try to exploit consumers to at least half the degree MS seems to be aiming at.
@FamilyGuy - "What's really funny is how people were bashing the PS4 for allowing your account to be tethered to your facebook, having real names attached to your PSN account. They screamed about privacy, even though it is stated as a completely optional feature as well as having controls over which people see your screen name and which see your real name. Now Mircosoft comes out with a mandatory peripheral that is always listening, ALWAYS. A device that scans your living room, notices when any new face is in front of the system, listens to everything you say and watches everything you do while gaming so it can tailor ads to what it thinks you'd be interested in, is required to be plugged in for the system itself to work." Wow yeah I had forgotten all about those complaints. What MS has going on now is so much worse, yet many of those same people have no problem with it. @Godmars - "Trust me (You'll just have to); there's a big question mark - several in fact - regarding Sony, their camera and social plans." You're going to have to explain how a console and camera that don't require an internet connection are remotely as potentially bad as a console and camera that do. No one has to trust you about anything. Tell us what you mean.
@MysticStrummer: More the social features than anything else. Just don't like where that could take the industry in general. How it could impact game design.
now imagine always watching and listening like the Kinect 2.
"Why make it mandatory? They're obviously up to something." This is seriously paranoid. They're making it mandatory to avoid having fragmented market share on the Kinect. They want developers to use it, and that won't happen if it's an add on peripheral instead of a vital part of the system. We can argue that we don't want them to do that, but this isn't some conspiracy to rob you of your privacy by watching you as you sit on the couch discussing false flag operations.
Microsoft doesn't care about what we want...they care about making their money back because of all the money they wasted on R&D for this new glorified Windows 8 cable computer. * While I'm gaming....I game...not watch TV. * If I have to switch channel, I'm not that lazy that I can't take 2-3 seconds to use my remote. * Always watching and listening to me? That is just creepy. Only a matter of time before somebody sues Microsoft for saving footage of random naked female walking by or something like that. ^ I give it less than a year before this happens and law suits start building up. This will cause their stock to plummet even more and the price to drop. XB1 officially screwed themselves out of charging more for this. They are going to have to sell for less to actually sell the amount of units they expect.
Is there anything stopping you from throwing a towel over the kinect? honest question. I'm not buying either next gen console. Neither have a "wow" factor to them. and going off part of what 3-4-5 said, Have you ever tried to use WMC on xbox 360 with the controller to watch live tv? it is a pain in the ass lol. Remotes have been around for decades and are pretty damn good at being TV remotes. The xbox controller, which is meant for playing games, is NOT meant to control a TV. I feel bad for anyone who thinks the xbox one will make watch tv better.
well the xbox one is very usa-focused anyway but with all these issues coming it out may completely tank in other areas like europe and japan. and while some people may say 'who cares about that? usa is the biggest place for gamers' you have to remember that there are videogame studios in europe and in japan. they are far less likely to make games for a system that doesnt sell well in their home territory. some european devs like the people who are making witcher 3 have already commented that they do not like what xbox one is doing (and that means they may not put their game on it but no confirmation yet)
Discounting the rest of the world would be a huge...mistake on their part.
Very few games nowadays are released only in the US, or just one territory for that matter. Japan is the only market which makes a large number of games which cater only to it's home market. The rest of the world is a much bigger market than the US. Even a US dev may have a problem if they think they can't sell their game overseas, as it all comes down to install base. Otherwise I agree.
Just wanted to add that CDPR (the creators of The Witcher games) had DRM on the PC version of The Witcher 2, it was meant as a one time activation thing but ended up fucking up the framerate for some reason so they just said fuck it let's patch that crap out. Not to mention them giving out FREE digital backups for people who bought the boxed copy. No wonder they are bothered.
First Germany, now Australia. Microsoft has attracted government attention now. I'm positive that that's not what they wanted. But considering that this is a very American device, Microsoft will probably get away with it because the U.S. government loves surveillance devices even if the citizenry don't.
The US gov't does, but the people are very sensitive about privacy. The media loves reporting on violations of privacy. So if it catches enough wind, then the media could jump all over it. It's probably the only negative thing that has a chance to catch any attention in the mainstream media.
"question is what are the governments going to do about this." They're probably all standing in line to get their hands on the surveillance data from Microsoft. having a camera watching and listening to you, all the while making a 3D model of the inside of your home, is a dream come true to many of them.
@Arai I doubt any government is going to listen to a bunch of silly children worrying about a boogeymen under their beds. Rain the American media will use it like a shark attack. Something sensational to get advertising money. They know Americans are gullible enough to get excited over it. Shark attacks are the medias go to when there is nothing to get the rating going. If you know someone in the media, ask them. It's a complete joke. Or compare your current news in a major city to Cronkite or Winchell. 180 degree difference. One group reports news, the other sells advertising. Keep your government hands off of my Medicare.
They gave in to the Government already on search engine info back in the Bush days. So I think the government is licking their lips for the information the Kinect may gather! Also I called this along time ago Conspiracy, theory. And Kinect! Also I called the TV goes off when the internet goes down (not immediately but eventually).
First German commissioner now Australia. Wonder who's next,.
Wait till parents hear about xbones privacy issues.... They the ain't buying it
youd be surprised what million dollar marketing can do. Make the most devious things seem necessary.However after this backlash I doubt that will help but some will still fall for it(I dont mean everybody buying the XBone is a sucker, if you know the risk and still buy,more power to you).
@dmarc parents are gullible but NOT when it comes to their children's safety!!!! If you think any parent who knows about the surveillance of xbone will put their child I that situation your crazy The always on always watching will be big news trust me.. We already have government condemning the xbone for what it is and it's long overdue ms are greedy fuckers and I'm glad people are wising up
@the bawse have you seen the internet? have you seen phones? Have you seen how many kids get picked up off the social media? Parents gullible but NOT when it comes to their children's safety? HA Some parents are gullible, even when it comes to their children's safety. Like I said some will fall for this crap.
Gotta agree with you there Dmarc. It's a sad reality. We live in a connected world, which is awesome in many ways, but where you also don't even have to step outside of home to get trouble. Yet many parents will simply give anything their little brats want just so they can be left alone. It's not every parent, but in fact it's common. And the worst part is that it doesn't even need to be the real bad ones, some poeple simply have no idea how far this kind of stuff can go, so they simply don't oversee their kids with phones, tablets, notebook and what not. That's why we read about kids getting bullied (or worse) over stuff that ends on the internet everyday.
Good point dmarc. I do think parents are getting more clued up about the bad side of social media, the internet and what their kids are doing when alone. Thank the paedophiles, stalkers and groomers for that. If parents make a slight link between a snooping camera that always listens and any of the aforementioned types....they'll be wary
First thing my sister said when I told her about it, SO IT SPIES ON YOUR CHILDREN!!!!!?? So yeah I don't see it sitting well with parents.
If these are the same parents that buy a CoD game for their 9 year old kids and don't check the rating on the box, they will unwittingly buy the system for their spoiled brats if pressed hard enough. Squeaky wheel gets the grease as it were.
i love it. one person says "Wait till parents hear about xbones privacy issues.... They the ain't buying it" and everyone agrees in the vain hope that it just might happen
am i reading this right, so now our kids safety is at risk because of kinect?? lol it's going to spy on my little boy now. you have gotta be kidding me. if i thought for one second it was really spying, i would just unplug it when im knocking the back end of my gf on the sofa. but as i dont, i wont be bothering. i like a good conspiracy, but this is getting ridiculous.
You make an excellent point I had not thought of before. With software hacking anyone could be looking for kids playing and pass that on in their "circle". I am surprised this will be legal. The more I think about it the worse it gets. I never really got this aspect when watching the reveal, the lack of games was more noticeable. I don't trust software switches. It has to be a hardware one. Why on earth would you need to have cameras on all the time just to play a game? We all must make our minds up but I think they need to add some fail-safe measures before the release. No one with a kid in the house can run any kind of risk. Especially its its always on!
I hope it's the U.S.A...
If the Next country that speaks out is the U.S then PS4 will win this generation by default.
A country so owned and driven by corporate interests is unlikely to speak out against one as big as MS, especially considering it's an american company. But, I saw an article today or yesterday that wondered if some of One's features violated laws, in the UK I think, so if enough countries make noise about it maybe the US will join in. It's not totally out of the question.
The EU will sue MS again. MS = EU cashcow
japan & china next!!!
then it also meets the definition of "Sorry Hatted Inadequate Trash" or SHIT device
I understand MS's arrogance, after RROD, ridiculously priced proprietary peripherals, blatant Kinect functionality lies, losing all exclusives, casual focus, paying millions for timed exclusives that added nothing new to the industry and only restricted other gamers from having content that would have otherwise existed anyways, and pay to play online MP people still supported them. How could they not think that they could do whatever they wanted and people would support them. I'm happy the US finally woke the f up.
Theres still a couple fanboys on this site defending this no game lending surveillance scambox... Very easy to spot em.. Won't name names but I do feel sorry them... Clowns
Why feel sorry for them? Some are blatantly on the M$ payroll.
I will. Jek_Porkins negative loulou Count greenpowerz JokesOnYou FrigidDARKNESS NeverEnding1989 urwifeminder wheatthins dcbronco jeffgoldwin headblackman SDFRepellant(can't seem to make up his mind) Loki86 Foxgod GamingWorldPeace DonFreezer iitsuii MichaelLito79 nukeitall Elite24Gamer horndog MikeMyers(refuses to believe even what MS execs have said, oddly) DiRtY ... entirely too many.
Ironically enough you can never get most them to shut up , even when hitting them with pure facts .... yet those days you can barely make them appears and talk . Some are definitively laying low for e3 ammos and feeling outgunned right now
heck im from US and I cant stand the xbox.. its nothing but a money sucking P.o.Crap. ok heres an example...Netflix..8 dollars a month x 12 months = 96 dollars now add the 60 dollars to be xbox gold member total it 156 dollars a year just to watch Netflix.... and with the xbone I sure hope more americans wake up if the ps4 has a camera on it guess I will have it covered up since I don't need that to play my games.
The PS4 will have a camera, but I'd bet you have the full option to disable outside of games that require it.
wow have a bubble. You are right on.
Everyone is very sensitive about privacy lately so i am not surprised. I am actually surprise it's taken this long for it to get the attention of people. I do wonder as well what the justice system thinks about plans for MS and Publishers to still have rights to product we bought legally with our own money. If MS is forced to change their strategy with the always on Kinetic then we might actually see a delay since Kinetic always on is central to their One strategy.
Can someone tell Microsoft this is NOT ok, you cannot spy on the public
We must be reading this thing wrong. It cannot be that blatant.
There's one thing that truly irritates me. It's already bad enough that this thing is basically a surveillance device, but to make Kinect mandatory just ticks me off sometimes. It's like Microsoft saying "Oh, so you're not going to buy Kinect for the 360? Well, we think it's a great device so we'll force everyone to use on our next console!". Ridiculous.
Oh snap microsoft has to go back to the drawing board and disconnect the kinect to the new xbox
Drawing board? It is likely that they can just disable the mandatory kinnect with a simple software update. I would like to be bold and say that when sales don't meet expectations that they amend this terrible mistake and allow people to not plug it in. But it is unlikely it won't sell. Furthermore I would bet to say that they will eventually end this idea and that the only reason it is even this way is so when the console costs some insane amounts they can say well you got a kinnect in the box to... than they will start selling them without kinnects. M$ can make and sell whatever crazy product they want to I have technically no say in it as do any of us, but I can only wonder why is the kinnect such a big deal to them? Why does it have to be plugged in? If people don't want to kinnect on there XB1's than don't make them, you gain nothing from a business standpoint you only gain by selling them with the console, NOT by forcing the use of it.
N4G at it again....lol
If you want, I can post your real account here and make posting on Belking completely irrelevant =).
LOL! I would love to know his real account.
too funny....lol Keep up the good work here on N4G. I'm so scared because MS is watching my living room....lol This stuff is too silly. Get real people.
It's obviously bigger than N4G. It has been other forums and sites.. now Germany and Australia. I've seen your other other posts on this site and I could swear you took a blood oath with M$ lol
Need a tissue?
You guys are hilarious, you blame everyone but Microsoft like Microsoft. Maybe instead of blaming Me, N4G, Mods, Gamers, Germany's federal commissioner for privacy protection, Civil Liberties Australia, Sony and the media. You start looking at Microsoft and yourselves.
It's not just NG4. I was just on the Xbox.com forums and people are complaining about the same things.
Still in denial Belking? Still think this is just N4G making noise? If the fact that representatives from several countries are raising legal questions about One's features doesn't clue you in, I don't know what will.
Germany and Australia are jokes too?
You obviously are not a parent. So I understand if you are not that concerned. I only looked at the obvious marketing ploy. MS need to clarify just what/why the camera usage during any game.
This is it. M$ is NOT getting away with this. Keep talking people! Get the word out and let it spread!
gamers are core audience , now that they know about these crap they will tell other friends or other casual gamers ! Words Spread man !
The sentence "The fact that Microsoft is now spying on my living room is merely a twisted nightmare." is a mistranslation. Schaar does not believe that Microsoft will use Kinect to spy him, but it's like the worst case scenario that could happen. Just wanted to point that out. But he's obvioulsy still not happy with the Xbox One and still thinks that it's probably not legal. Edit.: Just wanted to add for all who cannot speak German that the words are actually translated correctly, but the intention of the sentence and the meaning of it is a different one in the original. I think the sentence before the quote helps understanding its meaning better. In the article here it is another quote and the conclusion that says: "Schaar believes this is a major breach of privacy." In the article from Spiegel Online it says (translated from German to English): "Privacy protector Scharr is not afraid of Microsoft using the integrated microphone in the console's camera to spy on conversations."