Why Microsoft Is the Problem With Xbox One

Since the Xbox One's reveal, responses have varied from optimism, certain it will redefine console entertainment, to despondency, equally certain it is missing the entire point of a gaming console and abandoning the gaming community in favor of mass appeal.

[Arai]

Too much smokes and mirrors surrounding this console.
The damage is done already, if anything it only gets worse by the day.

E3 won't magically solve the problems Microsoft is having or the practices they are executing.

But in all seriousness I'd like to hear from the loyal Xbox fans here on N4G what they think about this all.

[ltachiUchiha]

I totally agree with u mate, I mean I wouldve been cool if they didnt add all the restriction, extra fee bs aside but now im just like wtf were they thinking before they announced the xbox one? Its like they looked at its consumers as if we were stockholders instead of gamers. Smh

[nix]

it must have sounded really amazing in their heads when they implemented these things - "we'll tell them things like your friend installs a game on your system, you don't have to run and buy the same game, it's already in your system, you just have to pay.. look at all the hard work we cut out for ya all."

but it all went south hill. lol.

everyday i wake up and find out that nothing has changed in the gaming world. people are still pissed with MS. MS is now blocking and blaming media.

what a week. what a week.

[SHORYUKEN]

@nix

Hahaha. Agreed. This is the best week I ever had with internet news.

I was kinda huhhh????

What is going on... they actually sh*t in the fanboy face and xbone fanboys loving the dirty smell!

Hahaha.

[Double_O_Revan]

I honestly don't think they thought out the whole used game fee thing, between retailers cuts and the second hand licence fee.

I think someone said, 'man, GameStop makes a Ton of money on used games. We should go around them and charge $45 ourselves and make that profit.'

And the Executive in the room said 'Genius! make it happen', and that was the end of the conversation. No discussing details and HOW they were going to make that happen. No thought behind if it could work and what they would need to accomplish to make it happen. I think they just saw dollar signs and ran with this idea without thinking it through.

[Godmars290]

The implications of Kinect spying on families and even the online requirement mean nothing. Once the used game fee is killed and they show some games many who've blasted MS will be right back on their bandwagon.

Seriously, those smoke and mirrors are the same ones they've been using for years. The message this time around was just too much crap for them to cover up.

[bicfitness]

I think that the bigger issue for MS is how direly they misjudged the market. They're chasing after that "big screen" domination (T.V.), which is already on its way out. That's not how people consume media anymore, games included. Smaller screens, personal screens are ubiquitous, and you'd be hard pressed to find someone who doesn't have a smart phone or a tablet in NA.

Even me, a mid 30's "core" audio/ videophile with the latest and greatest Samsung Smart T.V. has no interest in sitting down in one particular space when I can move about freely and swap media at my luxury on a mobile/ personal device (Vita/ Tablet). The only reason why I'm getting a PS4 is because of its 'remote play on every game' feature. As strange as it sounds, I'll be gaming more via remote play than using the "traditional" console + TV setup.

Then there are people who have ditched the traditional medium altogether and moved on to these personalized screens entirely. MS won't win any of those customers back, because they simply don't consume their media that way any more.

MS invented a product for which there was no demand, and I don't think that even their heavy wallets can generate one. I GUARANTEE you that whatever console makers survive this gen, will be pushing a portable "all-in-one" lifestyle device next. Problem is the tech isn't quite there yet, but in 5-10 years it will be.

My $0.02

Edit: Interesting article, sort of on point with what I was saying:

http://techcrunch.com/2013/...

[GameCents]

No, what you'd like to do is antagonize people.
I'm a loyal Xbox fan but this console is a step too far and I will not be buying it.
I'm awaiting clarification from SONY about their used game policy, then I'll decide which consoles I'm buying this gen. So far it's Wii U only.

[NeverEnding1989]

"I'd like to hear from the loyal Xbox fans here on N4G what they think about this all."

You're going to have to change websites for that.

[BitbyDeath]

Good to see you won't be getting the next xbox.
MS need to learn a lesson after all the crap they have pulled.

[duli14]

neverending had a change of heart ? :O I thought his love for Xbox would never end

[DCfan]

Guess we might see trolls quit trolling after all.
"What a week, what a week"
-Someone on N4G

[DonFreezer]

I would to see the loyal Xbox fans you're talking about since this site is the epitome of pro-Sony.

[SpinalRemains]

Pro SONY?

Where were you during current gen launch?

This place was a sony hate parade.

[ACEMANWISE]

Do not dismiss Sony from the possibility of these acts. This seems to be an industry change coming from developer demand. Don't forget Microsoft and Sony serve most of the same developers...developers that are also their customers.

Like us, they have demands. They are largely the middleman. In the case of Sony I believe they are standing one step behind Microsoft. I think they are waiting to see how the XboxOne plays out.

Sony did mention that the PS4 wouldn't exactly shutdown completely. It is indeed partially awake, enough to keep a video game in RAM. While I don't think they are listening, they have set their chess pieces into place.

As for PS3/360, both consoles are not that dissimiliar from each other. Both have cameras. Both require email addresses to sign up. Both have nearly the exact terms and condtions for their respective online services...and believe me, it's not good.

Both have camera mics as well as headset microphones. Both have DRM. Both have implemented used game online passes (an obvious developer decision but still allowed by both consoles).

Microsoft is a bit more evolved and it shows in areas where they have features where Sony does not. The Xbox 360 has face and voice recognition, something Sony can do with a software update and maybe an upgraded PS EYE.

Both integrate limits to content access. For Sony it's one download for movies, and two concurrent consoles for video games. For Microsoft online is attached to one account regardless of how many users are on a console.

The key idea is to make this uproar as loud as possible to hopefully deter Sony from taking any further steps. They have stated that there is a plan for used games that haven't been implemented yet so they may drop the idea if the impact of public pressure becomes too great.

Heck, this may be the first time in gaming history where gamers aren't seperated by petty differences such as console preference or brand loyalty. We may all be united under the common banner of just being gamers who want to play games. Let's hope that our voice is heard and puts a stop to Microsoft too. It would be a huge shame to have to play great video games under such conditions as those. Once we get it squared away we can go back to bashing each other's consoles. For now let's unite.

[DCfan]

I had to disagree because you said somethings about the PS4 that weren't mentioned or confirmed.
Had to get that out.
But i agree with you on the other hand, for once in history, fanboys should unite and stop greedy companies, after all, we're all gamers with one passion. I hope the boycotting works... internet boycotts usually don't work

[ACEMANWISE]

DCFAN

The comparisons I made were between the PS3 and 360. I should have clarified that. Helpful comment. Thanks.

[Retroman]

"Abandoning the gaming "COMMUNITY" in favor of MASS appeal"

you read it yourselves MS down fall. neglecting one for another = GREED which in this case = FAILURE.

[ACEMANWISE]

Why would Microsoft or Sony care if used games are losing sales for third party developers? Why didn't they care when developers wanted an online pass fee for used games to access online?

Was Sony or Microsoft the ones who watered down 10+ year old IPs to favor the masses? Or was it Devil May Cry, Final Fantasy XIII, Orange Box, and Resident Evil 6? The point I'm trying to make is who is really motivated to make these kinds of move?

If I were a console maker I'd want to distinguish my console from the others. Since exclusives are not common enough anymore, I'd have to find ways to make my console more appealing so that they may be drawn over to my console.

I'd try to make the biggest console base to encourage more developers to release games on my console first. That would be good for me since it helps my console sales. I'd need a product that forces the developers to be in need of me, instead of me needing them. That way I don't have to fork over millions of dollars to get them to put games exclusively on my console.

I would create features that make them happy like easy development, a secure platform, and security measures that may increase the numbers of copies they sold (like having each disc tied to an account). All I can do is find ways to discourage developers from wanting to develop games on other consoles. What better way than to offer them something like this?

Hey man, if you develop on my console I can make you 4x the sales per household for multiplayer games. How, you ask? Well the average household has four people. Mom, Dad, and two kids. If you create a game we can integrate a locking feature that limits one account per disc. That way you would have a potential situation where every person has to buy a copy in order to play together. With the other console, they allow one disc to be played with everyone in their family...on top of their friends. Do you want to keep your job and stick with us or do you want to share one disc with the world?

[GameCents]

I hope this console fails if they launch it as is.
I don't mind the tv content, I just can't take the internet and kinect requirements.

[Muerte2494]

get's mad at you, she'd usually have to bust up the entire console to break it. Now with Xbox One, she's only has to aim for the Kinect sensor lol.

OT: I honestly feel that if Microsoft shows some compelling games that they might become square with their core audience. You must hit the bottom before you can rise. I feel like as gamers, it's our duty to help them reach the bottom. Sony received this message loud and clear after the quote: "The next generation doesn't start until we say it does". Sony went from dead last to a healthy 2nd place, and approaching their 3rd console to hit 100 million sold.

[KillrateOmega]

Just pick up that shovel and keep on digging MS, just keep on digging...

[kenmid]

These articles are becoming tiresome, I didn't know that so many gaming website out there.

[Errol James]

I wonder if someone at Microsoft reads all these blogs and takes notes.

[ApolloTheBoss]

Not to me they're not. The more websites talk about this whole disaster with ms, the more people are bound to find out about it. Word of mouth is powerful thing.

[DivineAssault]

Games arent the issue with the xbox one.. The system is whats wrong.. All the BS with installing, always on, used games, etc.. I dont give a damn what games they show, the problems with it wont go away

[BitbyDeath]

Pretty sure PS4 requires installs as well but it does it while you are playing.

[Double_O_Revan]

Yea but i also believe the PS4 isn't installing the Entire game so that it can render the disc useless. Its installing bits of game data like the ps3 does today.

[Summons75]

Ps3 requires installs for I'd say a good 80% of its library mostly games before 2009 and no one complained so that's argument is complete bull. Installing its that bad considering it speeds up load times. You could spend 10 minutes installing a game or wait longer for load times. Yeah it takes up space but its not like you can't delete the install when you aren't playing the game for a long period of time.

However xbone is really falling hard. No bc what so ever, even arcade titles....now that is something to complain about. I know lots of people with 70+ arcade titles and now Microsoft just threw. That away.

[DivineAssault]

but PS3 didnt require FULL GAME installs.. Just portions of the game & im fine with that.. As long as u dont have to install the whole effin disc to your HDD eating up all the storage, its not a problem..

[mr blonde]

so if Microsoft said " You all are right. We don't need anything but games on the console, We will remove all apps, drop Kinect, remove xbox live to cater to people who cant afford internet, make it look like a ps3, and name it xbox 3. Would anyone want it then?

I guess I am just confused on why so many people hate on people just trying to give you more options. I get the game trade in thing, but lets wait and see what their true motives are.

As for all the people wearing the armadillo hats talking about Microsoft taking over the world and spying on them in their living rooms. You need to get out more! I mean seriously. If you are that scared about your privacy and really think that Microsoft is secretly putting Kinect in your house to spy on you. You have issues, plain and simple and you should never leave your house.

All in all I think Microsoft is pretty ballsy for stepping out of the box and trying something new. Good for them and I wish them the best of luck

[amiga-man]

How is DRM and 24 hour check in monitored by Kinect not to mention paying for online serving gamers? if you are confused I worry about you I really do.

I'll spell it out for you they are not options they are stupid money grabbing ideas,

[mr blonde]

@ amiga-man, What confuses me is people like you. I have a xbox 360, a ps3, a wii, and a wii u. I play online on all of them and my PERSONAL opinion is you get what you pay for when it comes to playing online.

To me (again this is MY opinion) xbox live is the best way to go for playing online and is worth the money. 24 hour check ins. no idea how it will work yet to be honest, same as DRM. all I can do is wait until it get's closer to release to find that stuff out.

So really to spell it out for you amiga, They ARE options. No one is forcing you to run out and buy an xbox one.

[amiga-man]

Quite right mr blond and because of all the restrictions I certainly won't be buying one, paying twice for your internet is a scam I will never accept and DRM etc is yet more anti consumer money grabbing, i'll leave the idiots to fall for that.

whats that, your buying an xbox one, point made.

[ACESupERIC]

For mr.blonde
I agree with you on the more features thing. That is a good thing they're doing. I won't use a console for those things but many will. But how can you defend MS kinect always on when they've already been busted monitering skype conversations? Call me paranoid but there's no way I will ever allow a camera and mic in my house that someone else can access and I can't turn off. I DO wish them luck and I DO want an xbox one. But the privacy, drm, used game issues and online fee need to be addressed before I can consider buying one. I have had almost every major console since the atari 2600 and this will be the first one I won't even consider. And I'm not just hating on MS either. Sony should also be more clear on their plans also because the used game fee
sounds like a publisher and developer idea and I don't think they would make MS go that route alone. Peace

[mr blonde]

ACESupERIC

I am in the same boat you are man, I don't want someone using Kinect to watch me either. But can't you point the camera away from you after you sign in? or will the xbox not work unless you are always in front of it?

I also agree with you on everything needs to be addressed and I'm sure it will in time. No matter what I'm still going to buy it the day it comes out just like I am going to buy the ps4 the day it comes out. I am a gamer bro. it's like crack to me if there is a new console out, I'm getting it! I don't care who made it.

Thank you for not attacking me for my opinion. It's nice when someone actually wants to have a conversation without attacking the other person because they don't agree with how you spend your money, or share different beliefs.

[ACEMANWISE]

Let's try to disprove ourselves just for the sake of checking our thinking processes. Shall we?

Let's assume for a second that Kinect being always on is for our convienance and is gaming related.

Let's give Microsoft the benefit of the doubt and assume they will only program the mic to pick up gaming related function commands when it's off.

The question I can't answer is this though:

How far can Microsoft evolve the Kinect in a gaming related way once they implement an always on state?

Basically, where is it heading after that in regards to being relevent to gaming. It listens to voice commands for the possiblity of turning the console on. Then what?

There is no other gaming related function I can think of beyond this. Maybe it will evolve into recognizing who's giving the command so that the console can turn on and sign in under the right account. Beyond that, I need answers.

[DA_SHREDDER]

actually ya, that's exactly what they needed to this with next gen. Fix everything that was broke with this gen. Not add on to the problem.

[George Sears]

The biggest problem we have in the market nowadays is that companies want to make devices capable of doing everything, except for what the damn thing is supposed to do in the first place.

[KaMaHKaZiE]

Ok I've been reading n4g for a long time now and what I have come to discover is, most of the writers here like to pull stuff out of there butts. Usually it is just a rumor that they decide to call facts. All this talk about the Xbox One not being a game system is absolutely stupid. Did they remove games all together? No. Did MS confirm anything about used games? No. Have they made any official statement to the vast questions some you people have? No.

One N4G is definitely a Play Station place, so if you are looking for articles that are equal you came to the wrong site. The Xbox one will be able to run games just as well as the PS4. Yes the PS4 is more for core gamers but some of the specs that the ps4 has are unnecessary for next Gen gaming. But that's all the ps4 is, gaming. Does it really frighten all the Sony fans this much that Xbox was able to create a system that not only can be for core gamers and casuals, but also made it family friendly. Obviously Sony fans are scared, other wise there wouldn't be an artical everyday about how the Xbox will fail. Ontop of that 91% of these articles are full of nothing but rumors and speculation, no REAL facts. If I was a Sony fan I would be scared too, a system that can play games along with having a social aspect to it.

I'm not flaming on the PS4 though, it is impressive in its own ways. Unfortunately to me it looks like MS made the real step towards the next generation of entertainment.

KaZiE 😊

[nix]

yeah.. we're all scared.

[DigitalRaptor]

No friend, it is people like you who accept terrible practices through your stubbornness and ignorance, and ensures that these anti-consumer practices become industry standard. We are stepping up against the most disgusting of blatant anti-consumerism

This is not an N4G-exclusive opinion. Do you even know anything about the restrictions Microsoft has told us about? They were rumours before May 21st, but now we've heard it from the horses mouth, and yet both MS and people like yourself are frustrated that people are raging about what MS themselves and their supporters have caused.

You say we haven't heard confirmation from MS, if so then who were those MS executives telling us these things?

- Used game restrictions.
- Still paying a fee for the simple connectivity to a game.
- Still paying for free apps.
- Kinect is required to use the system.
- Daily online connection required to check game you're playing is used or new.
- Can't lend a game to your friend or family member without them paying in full.
- Mandatory install for all games.
- Non-removable HDD which will only allow the installation of about a maximum of 6-7 games, then Microsoft will sell you their overpriced proprietary hard drives.

Their focus (or lack thereof) on gaming isn't even the most concerning issue here. Maybe you should take YOUR head out of your ass, and look around, gain some perspective.

[GotEnder]

i was really looking forward to the xbox reveal.tbh i thought it had a decent set of new features plus the idea of dedicated servers for every game is a great idea. im sad to say though the negatives far outweigh the positives. im willing to wait till e3 for more clarification from msoft but more PR bs isnt goint to cut it.

[DanielForth]

Who else would be at fault?

[Aquarhane]

Microsoft has really done it it this time, greed will get you nowhere.

[camehlheon]

I still want to know where this information came from (that if you have friends over they must identify) or was it announced during the reveal ? (We had stupid french dubs here so couldn't catch everything)

Thanks

[KaMaHKaZiE]

Camehlheon, none of the things stated in this article are fact. Just rumor and speculation, this guy has no source of information other than some rumor articles, RUMOR

[camehlheon]

Ok thanks KaMaHKaZiE.

I guess there's nothing much to talk about until we find out what's fact and what's not.

[SOULJER]

WQW. This article told the truth. the author was chest out head up. I respect this person. Bravo

[chrissx]

Great article. I guess sony is really the saviour of gaming afterall. My choice as it is, PS4 or the wii u. There's just no way I'm getting xbone. I just wanna play games.mostly Offline. Not cable boxing kinecting camera staring at me in my living room. I was a hardcore microsoft fan. I'm so jumping into the sony ps4 bandwagon. Maybe even nintendo too.

[KaMaHKaZiE]

Dude be honest you were never a MS fan, just anther PS fan stating they are a MS fan to further strengthen your "argument". 😊

[camehlheon]

I don't think we're going anywhere calling people liars and such.

MS's policy has clearly changed, they want their console to go further but maybe it's a bit too far for us customers. Let's see how they get away with it.

Sony has chosen to just upgrade their PS3 and keep the same mechanics. My main problem with the Xbox One is that most of its services (such as cable TV, Netflix, blabla) will only be available in the US which I'm not living in. Plus I agree I don't want a camera pointing at me and especially a MANDATORY camera. The connection thing is ok as my console is always connected to the net.

[iistuii]

Yeah yeah, it's funny, because online is the way forward. Every day whenever I pick up anything in my house, my ipad, my iPhone, my laptop & of course my pc & consoles, they are all connected to the Internet. If they weren't, they'd be half the fun as they are connected, just like your beloved PS4, no Internet, you'll get less than 1/3 of the great features they'd be adding. Or do you unplug your Internet to play your console.

@camehlheon, I'm sure if you connect your virgin/sky box to the Xbox one with the hdmi input they will work. But like you if it doesn't here in UK I'd be pissed.

[camehlheon]

I'm not from UK either but I understand what you mean.

About the HDMI input I gave it some thought yesterday and I think that even though you can probably have your Display/Sound deported to your Xbox One, you'd probably be unable to control it with the Xbox. So unless it's a genuine function i.e Xbox being a cable box as they mentioned it would be, meaning that you MUST have cable TV to enjoy it -and most of us in France have DSL or satelite boxes for TV- the Xbox won't be allow you to interact with what you see.

Hope some TV/Electronics expert can enlighten us on that part, would be much appreciated.

[chrissx]

And being honest I am dude.I own an xbox and a xbox360. Xbone is utter rubbish.

[Excalibur]

"I'd like to hear from the loyal Xbox fans here on N4G what they think about this all."

Well I game on my PC, PS3, Xbox 360 and my GF's Wii every now and then so I consider myself a loyal gamer first and foremost.

That said I game on my 360 mostly.

My thought on the XBone is it's a total disaster, I don't know what in the world M$ is thinking.

My major issues are these.

1. Kinect.
Why does it have to be always connected and why does it always have to be on?
I don't like the intrusion into my living room AND I have absolutely no use for it, I don't play Kinect games and I don't wave my hands around like an idiot to change blades on the dashboard.
Why add extra cost to your system for something I don't want?
Why force it on me?

2. Used, rented or borrowed games.
I think we all have read enough on the subject (and still know very little) to know what I'm talking about.

3. Game installs, DRM and an internet connection.

The system is only going to have 500gb, a blu ray holds 25gb so if a dev uses the full 25gb that totals 20 games you can put on your machine, you still have game saves, DLC, Avatar items on other stuff you may want to save.
Granted the install may not need the full 25gb or the dev might not use it all but I think you see where I'm coming from. 500 gb will go fast.

DRM.
I'm not the thief here, stop treating me that way, nuff said.

Internet connection.
Thankfully I now have HSI but the the first 3 years of my 360's life I had to get system and updates via disk downloads on a dial up connection and trust me it sucked.
That said I was still able to play the 360 right out of the box, now you won't.

4. The focus on TV and other gimmicks I don't use.
Do I really need to go into this?

5. Backwards Compatibility.
This is not a total deal breaker but it adds another check mark in the negative column.
You can't call your box ONE when I need another system to play a game under the same name brand.

6. The name.
I know this is petty and not a deal breaker but I'm on a roll now.
How can it cover all my bases wen i still need other devices hooked to it to make it do all those things.
You don't replace my cable box/DVR, those thongs still need to be connected.

7. M$'s arrogance and ignorance.
In all honesty I have a hard time supporting a company that is not trying to conceal it's greed and has no idea what I want or need as a consumer.
You think because it has the Xbox brand on it I'm just going to run out and buy it?
Didn't you learn anything from Sony's mistake?

All that being said it's it's current state I will NOT be buying it.

[stage88]

Well said.

[Excalibur]

So I got 3 disagrees and that's OK, it's certainly your right to disagree but I'm really curious as to why.

Did I offend the brand you champion or something else?

Please let us know your thought process on what Microsoft is doing and not just throw up a phantom disagree.

I'm really and truly interested in what you have to say.

[iistuii]

1-sort of agree, don't play kinetic so don't need one
2-Used games will play, you'll need a code, Xbox won't be alone, just wait
3-both consoles you'll install games & we do it now already, saves to cloud
4-gimmicks are an added bonus. I take it your phone does more than calls..
5- who wants buy a £300-400 next generation console to play old games
6- just call it Xbox
7-greed ? Every company wants to make as much money as possible
You may not agree with me, but I've answered your points.

[Excalibur]

@iistuii, Thank for the reply, I repect and appreciate that.
Here is my rebuttal.

1. We agree.

2. I will need a code that I have to pay for, M$ says yes, M$ says no it will be the retailer (gamestop, gamefly and so on) do you think they will lose $$? No they will find a way to charge me for it.
And BTW who does M$, Sony or whoever think they are that they can profit from Someone else's product, did they make the game? Did they distribute the game? did they buy the game from me after I bought it?

3. We do it now IF WE CHOOSE TO, we save it to the cloud IF WE CHOOSE TO, It's my gaming system with my HD space and my disk that I bought with my own $$, I do with them as I wish, no one will make me do anything.

4. Yes my phone does do more than Make/Receive calls but that is what it's primary use IS.
When Verizon, AT&T (whoever) makes a "phone" that barley makes/receives calls and does a whole bunch of stuff I never use then I won't buy them either. ;)

5. I do and so do a lot of other people apparently.
I currently have over 200 XBox 360 games in my possession, a lot I bought used BTW and haven't touched yet.
I don't want ANOTHER "gaming" machine piled under my TV along with all the other boxes XBone is supposed to do a way with that it doesn't.
I'd also like to see how much better a 360 game looks and plays with beefier hardware, kinda like how a blu-ray player enhances a DVD.

Lastly, to use your argument, who wants to spend 300 - 400 on ONE that doesn't?

6. I'll just call it nONE as in no sale. ;)

7. I guess we agree.

Again, I thank you for your reply.

[urwifeminder]

Keep them guessing ms love your work.

[Cpamann]

I m waiting for e3 2013 after that i will decide which next gen console ps4 or xbox one microsoft said they have 15 exclusive games impressive very exited for rare and remdey's games forza and ryse will also so good

[DCfan]

If the One succeeds, gaming is officially dead.

[SDF Repellent]

It would be so funny if Sony have the same restriction as MS during the PS4 announcement at E3. N4G would have a meltdown and I expect 3/4 of them to go back to their caves like pre-MS conference and won't show their face again. I hope it is not true because the PS4 is the system I am planning to get at this point but to see the spins and meltdowns on Sony fanboys' faces might be well worth it for the cr@p they are saying on every MS articles without 100% sure what the whole plans are for both sides.

[JasonBloodbourne]

If I get one and its a big if, I'll be turning the Xbox off at the wall whenever it's not in use. Job done

[jonli1]

im here im also a xbox fan but based what ive seen with the new xbox one im very disapointed. im not impressed and im not getting an xbox one

[mochachino]

MS is the cheapest Huge Corporation I've ever encountered. The only thing that kept me on 360 was that my love of games outweighed my complete dissatisfaction with MS. 360 had better looking multiplats and better exclusives as recently as 3 years ago.

This gen PS4 looks to destroy them in both regards so there's nothing to stem gamer frustration.

MS is cheap to the point of stupidity. Little things like making it extra-difficult to cancel Live subscriptions, MS points, pricing everything to ensure that the amount of points you buy never corresponds to store pricing, RROD refurb consoles, breaking multiple times but instead of sending a new console continue to send cheap refurbs, charging to have online mp access, charging before you can use services you already paid for like netflix, pricing harddrives 4x higher than anywhere else because there propriety, selling 360 as 20 gigs when it was 13.7 (total lie, should have sold it as 15 gig) etc, not allowing Live user discounts on content, charging higher prices than any other media service for everything (movies, music, TV).

As an early 360 adopter, I hope Xbox One fails miserably. MS took advantage all generation and got away with murder but they had the better/better running games up until recently.

[KimiRaikkonen]

All that is stated in this article are rumours. A malicious attempt by one of many sony fans on this site to damage the reputation of a console that is a major threat to their beloved ps4. Microsoft hasn't confirmed anything yet and here we have more and more rumors everyday to cast a shadow over xbox one

[GotEnder]

i for one am sick of the rumors. msoft says alot by not debunking them though. im hoping e3 will shed some light on some of the questions we all have. after the ps4 reveal there was article after article from devs stating their happiness with sony and the direction they are taking with their console. i havent seen the same for xbox one. i could be wrong.any links would help.