Telegraph: " E3 is Microsoft's chance to turn around gamer opinion in an instant, so we should hold off before we dismiss the Xbox One, says Tom Hoggins."
they don't deserve another chance
Says who? A bunch of fanboys? Don't make me laugh like they matter. We're still yet to get the full details and clarification on the XB1. @EDIT: @Hooters Quantum Break, Rares new game, Forza, Black tusks Ip and Ryse. Your stupid comment fails because those are 5 confirmed games that'll be unveiled at E3 according to MS.
Everyone deserves a second chance! And regardless of what side of the fence you stand, competition is good for gaming. You may not like console A or B or whatnot but if it was just console A then I firmly believe PS4 or xbox would not be where they are today.
I agree give ms a chance to come clean Tell the truth about lending games and Kinect always watching and listening I hope the see sense and scrap the surveillance box one privacy issues and Focus on games
We know exactly what the Xbox One is and what Microsoft's E3 will be: * Halo, Halo, Halo... * The same old handful of other Xbox franchises * Faked Kinect demos * Kinect casual shovelware * PC ports being passed off as 'exclusives' * Third party 'exclusives' that aren't actually exclusives * A lame attempt at addressing the massive graphical power advantage the PS4 has over the wimpy Xbox One with a bunch of handwaving about 'teh Cloud' It's a device designed by lame Microsoft beancounters who see it as tool to extract as much cash as possible from its installed base: * Forced fees just to be able to play games online * Ads everywhere * Service fees everywhere * Restrictive DRM to make sure no one plays anything without having to pay
Says me, their former customer. I lost money because of their lies about "upcoming core games, also for Kinect". They won't trick me into in this time. Also, being spied by a camera which is permanently on and connected to the Internet is out of question for me, no matter what games they show.
I'll give the XBOne another look in 2017
Do you like MS locking out Indie Devs self publishing? Do you like how they throw billions of dollars into TV media while the Video Game industry is struggling? Do you love Kinect so much, and would gladly sacrifice hardware specs so you can talk and wave to your TV, and so it can watch you 24/7?? Do you hate it when your friends are like "hey let me borrow that game"?? Do you love paying for game's online features that's free on other platforms?? Do you love NFL fantasy football with ESPN??? Do you love Call of Duty, and Fifa? Well Xbox One is the perfect system for you broski!!! /S But wait it's a all in one Box, that you still need your cable DVR plugged in??? Guess what it's still not a DVR, so why would I watch things on Xbox if I can't rewind live TV? Them not throwing in rechargeable batteries in the Controller is proof how greedy they are. You already need to buy a peripheral charging station. This isn't 2004 MS.... There's very little they can announce that will excite me. Shit with PS4 I can actually let my friend take over my play session via online, and that's what I call Sharing. Instead Xbox One doesn't want you to share with your friends. No used games, no live streaming, no spectate mode, no God Mode, or Take over controller mode... Where's the game innovations?? Fuck MS and their corporate BS.
I'm waiting until e3 until I make a firm, more balanced opinion. They have a lot to answer for.. . Anybody saying otherwise is in denial
"wait for E3"?? OMG why is this so hard? haven't you been around gaming for the last four E3s when all MS apoligists could say was "wait forE3" when there were no games in sight? and MS disappointed EVERY SINGLE TIME? is that news to you? what make you think it will be different this time? and those 15 exclusives that include 8 new IPs? well, Forza and Halo and Quatum Break makes that 12 left with 7 new IPs honestly, don't you think that a large part of that will be Kinect shovelware and downloadable games? I'm curious about how many years in a row MS needs to pull the same crap for people to stop saying "wait for E3"
I believe both Sony and Micro have been hard at work addressing the used games issue : http://www.ibtimes.com/sony... It's a very sensitive matter to all gamers, not just core gamers. Off course, one can argue that XO isn't a single purpose gaming console. The greatest challenge these console makers are facing is to bring back our passion in real GAMES, not some free-to-play games from mobile market. These 3 gaming consoles have to do well together in order to revive the gaming industry that has been seriously affected by the mobile industry. The real "threat" for console gamers is mobile gaming. What i've seen here is console gamers vs console gamers. What's your benefits of blaming a new/hybrid console that is trying to revive & expand the console market for wider audience?
Whats the deal with calling people fanoys. Are insults all you have? You don't have to be a fan to not like the idea of DRM or to oppose used game blocking or to raise privacy concerns about Kinect. Microsoft showed what they had to offer and most consumers who are educated in the topic rejected it. It's that simple, it has absolutely nothing to do with be a fanboy.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. This fool won't be fooled again. MS up an abandoned me with the original Xbox. They appear to be doing the same thing with the 360 in that there will not only be no compatibility with their games but all their Xbox 360 peripherals (controllers, fight sticks, racing wheels and headphones) as well. Not to mention they finshed off the 2nd half of the 360 life cycle with only their fab 4 (Halo, Gears, Forza and Fable) and some multipli plat DLC exclusive deals and abandoned the core gamers for Kinect shovel ware. Now they are making media priority one over gaming while having Kinect integrated into every aspect of their hardware. Add a side serving of DRM, a slew of restrictions and nickel and diming to the extreme (used / rental fees). NO. For all those reasons I won't give Microsoft a chance to show their hand. They had May 12st and a megaton of bad press that they are NOT refuting. They might be able to find some way around the used / rental fees but everything else I don't like (DRM, Kinect having to be connected at all times and a near constant network verification check) is already built into the hardware. MS should've made the core gamer that brought them this far as their main priority and not TV, sports, social networking and motion controls. Along with them sacrificing hardware to be a more efficient entertainment hub and trying to snowball the consumer with pipe dreams using cloud to make ONE a more advanced gaming machine. Sorry MS but after Natal, Milo, the ability to use this motion device in mainstream games, than fast forward to Kinect and Skittles? I think you have proven yourself and amazing PR company with an equally amazing marketing company BUT that is primarily all you seem to do. All the while trying to drain the consumer for every cent. Some of which other manufacturers and publishers don't charge the consumer for. All I wanted from their next hardware iteration was the ability to have more power, being able to use all my peripherals, especially my CSR Elite wheel with Forza 5 and their next Horizon, with their new console and I would've been sold hook, line and sinker. No, they couldn't even do that. They are wanting us to start over from scratch and implementing things that have 0 interest to me while trying to get me to dig deeper into my wallet. So frustrated. I'm going to miss Forza. For those that read this. Check my profile background and see why I'm so bummed. I loves me some Forza on my triple panels. I can't play that game with a standard controller. NO WAY! /end rant
There are people that are not interested in the X1, but are pissed that otheres are interested in it and are going to purchase it. Those people don't want to purchase the X1 and don't want others to purchase it. What the hell do i care if others purchase or don't purchase the X1. If i don't like what i see from the X1 or PS4, i won't buy them. Simple as that.
If i had to venture a guess, beyond people just being fanboys, I would say that they are concerned to see the X1 do well because of the influence it may have over the two other console industry players. If the system with drm/always online does really well financially, how long will it be before every system has it, because they know they can get away with it? That may be why people are frustrated (which would at least be more understandable than just the usual "______ iz teh best all 0therz r stoopid")
dr pepper. drm are is here, and not just for microsoft. why have sony not jumped on the opportunity this week, to bury microsoft with some sort of announcement distancing themselves from drm?? why? because it will be on the ps4 as well. disagree all you want, but their silence is deafening. anyway. microsoft can redeem themselves at e3 with a stellar showing. but if a large majority of their games are kinect... then bye bye microsoft.
Yeah loulou, I have my suspicions of Sony as well (as there are still many unknown aspects of their console). But seeing as MS is the only one to have confirmed such a thing yet between the two of them (with the WiiU not doing it), it is what I'm assuming the gamers out there are currently concerned about.
http://www.ibtimes.com/sony... hmmm. this could perhaps have something to do with sonys silence
@LouLou Sony will not come out and try and bury them on this subject. It would probably back fire as the fire is ragging at the moment with their fans and it would just burn Sony in a bad way. And they also don't need this type of attention on them. Also I still don't know why people are trying at great lengths to drag Sony into Microsoft shit storm. Sony has officially said numerous times that they will NOT stop used games on their hardware.
why would it backfire..?? and how could distancing themselves from this be not the sort of attention they need? how could a flatout refusal of drm "burn them in a bad way" ?? unless ofcourse they cant say that if it is a blatant lie. "no there will not be any type of drm on our console" boom and microsoft are buried. i am sorry, but no one is trying to drag sony into this, i think that people are trying to get the fanboys to see that this is almost certainly going to be on the ps4 as well. sony have officially said that they will "leave it upto the publisher/dev" which seems to me that they are pointing the fingers at the publishers who have lobbied hard for this. i dont see why people are going to great lenths pretending that sony are innocent in all of this either. why not say it, if they was not doing it?
No Sony is not doing this as already stated by them people like you don't want Microsoft to look like the only bad one so you want to try and drag Sony into a fight that is not theirs. It was you dragging them into this conversation no one else here mentioned PS4 but you. Sony has nothing to do with your anger at Microsoft for their stupidity.
If it were a one on one comparison(relatively speaking...like this gen) then yes, it is just fan boy speak. I'm not going to be pissed about anyone wanting to buy the console. It's their money, they can do what they want with it. It is concerning though to think of the long term ramifications to gaming should MS apparent practices become commonplace. To that end, people are arguing that maybe those people should take a closer look at that. I personally don't feel the need to hate on anyone that wants to buy one, but I feel it important to inform them about the issues as best I can. In the case of loulou, they just won't see the other side of the issue, and continue to spread misinformation in an effort in what I assume is a way to validate their own reasoning(also known as fanboyism). If it isn't an issue for them, then so be it, the market will decide. It may suck for those that don't like it if it all comes to it's inevitable conclusion, but that's the way the free market works.
they had their chance
I still remember when the ps3 first launched. No one gave it a chance. It was worst then what u see now with the new xbox one. I never read one article that said give them a chance. It was all doomed articles. Now look how everything has changed. The original xbox was in the same position where it was too expensive & didnt have enough games & even with the bill gates who was the richest in the world at the time couldnt save the original xbox from sinking. I'll wait until e3 to see what microsoft shows off but if they dont get rid of me not being able to let a friend use my game without having a fee, im not buying one until they do decide to change their tactics. How greedy can u get? Geez smh.
They cannot do anything about gaming ! Sony and PS4 FTW !!!
Looking forward to wii u and xboxone reveals and any pc announcements.
But more importantly PS4 announcements.
People have been giving them chances since 2009. Should people continue to give them more chances for the next 4 years.
I will purchase the console, Only if i am able to play offline as long as i want and play used games without a fee.
After 3 years of lip service to 360 and all the bad press they've had, may 21st was their chance. Now I'll give them till e3 because they've promised something special in relation to games, and I want them to deliver, but this is really it for me. They need to turn the tide big time. They need to arrest this downward trend and reverse it. The best thing Sony showed is that they have all this extra crap, but they're still mainly about the games. Ms need to do this, and they need to be dam convincing about it.
But before the 21st they said all along e3 will be about mostly the games and 21st the hardware(yes it was not that good) but we still see 100 of articals saying xbone has no games ;/ If ms come out and show crap at e3 then i would understand that xbox has no games but until then we just have to wait and see.
Whether they said that or not, they got it wrong, they should have done it the other way around. The notion that Xbox has no games has been going on for years. THAT should have been their focus if they really want gamers onboard. I dont really care about the hardware as long as its capable. And they didnt really show much about the hardware anyway, they didnt go into detail so that it might be compared against the PS4. Sony showed games actually being played AND they showed very specific info about the hardware. MS just showed they dont know or dont care what gamers want or were waiting for. They showed the bare minimum they had to and talked about non gaming related features for 80% of the show. Dont get me wrong, that stuff looks cool, but its not gaming is it, and its what we all wanted to see. XB One might very well sell many units because there are more non gamers then there are gamers and the tech is eyecatching, but thats not why I'm in this hobby, thats not what I'm looking for, and they didnt just drop the ball here, they stood on it and rolled their ankle and theyre going to walk with a limp for a while because of it. They could have easily shown the games we wanted to see and then waffled on about TV, Skype and Steven Spielberg later.
"Whether they said that or not, they got it wrong, they should have done it the other way around". So you saying they should of talk about tv at e3 gaming expo instead of games and games at the reveal? ;/ or i have i got it wrong what you meant? Well at least you got to see the hardware. But then again i like the way Sony are waiting to e3 to reveal it. They did show games, granted it was not real time like killzone(which looked really good) etc but forza and new remedy games are a start, it better then nothing. But they should not end on a crappy call of duty game;/ They also said they invested more in studios so that is good to right? (they should of done this on xbox 360). Also 15 exclusives in the first year, yes some will properly be kinect games but we have to wait and see. Like said wait to e3 like they said. If it crap then i will agree with you but until then i reserve judgment.
First off, it's a video game console. At least, that's what the Xbox has been branded as. As such, it SHOULD HAVE GAMES AT ITS REVEAL, NOT JUST TRAILERS. Secondly, what is it with this thinking that only video games are shown off at E3? Third, how many more chances do people want to give Microsoft? How many disappointing E3s, broken core Kinect promises, and double dipping into wallets are people willing to sit through?
Hicken Yes they should of but i don't want to see it all in one go. E3 is more about games then other things right? NO chances because i never hoped for stuff that some people do its MS :/ People put there hopes to high, so when they shown something there disappointed when it don't meant there expectations like the Xbox one reveal event. I've seen disappointing E3s and broken promises from both sides so this is not new.
@Daz. You are thinking one dimensional. Just because it's E3 it does not mean you can't talk for a few minutes about TV and other non gaming functions. It's the same with this reveal. The problem was the proportion of the time spent on the non gaming functions as oppose to the gaming aspect. When you reveal a new GAMING console to the world you don't do it by spending 90% of the time talking about non gaming functions. I agree with Bathyj. They got it wrong. The gaming audience that have made the xbox as is today were clamoring for new games for some time now. 21st was suppose to be for the xbox gaming fans. Instead they got a cable box revealed to them.
Not quite Daz. Im saying they should of talked about tv AND games at e3 and talked about mainly games at the reveal. They could have brushed on that other stuff, but no one was ever doubting there will be extra non gaming related features, theyre doubting their commitment to gaming. They had the balance all wrong and they should have addressed that, not confirmed our suspicions. And theres nothing wrong with talking about the hardware at E3. E3 is NOT a games show despite what many think, its an Electronic "Entertainment" Expo. I'm sure I heard that word "entertainment" somewhere in the reveal. There will be plenty of room for a hardware demo at E3 and theyve got 3 DAYS, not an hour. They can give out as much information as they'd like there and frankly all those cool things would have made a huge splash there and come as a great surprise to see that if it had come after wowing us with awesome games weeks earlier. They only had one chance at a 1st impression and they made a bad one.
xbox one is always online and 360 not if you want to play games offline you can but if you want to watch netflix you must be subscriper to xbox live then where that leaves the xbox one as it's always online english not my first language
I am already over, the 360 got me over because its first party line up was more my cup of tea. Its only obvious that i want to keep playing these games, so i am not hurt by a bunch of minor changes in the service the Xb1 provides. In the end the main focus of a platform you buy, is what you do with it yourself, my focus will be the games i wanna play.
Let's meet again after MS shows their 14 exclusives and %80 of them are Kinect titles. Note: I said 14 because Ryse is confirmed as X1 Kinect title.
It has been confirmed already that Ryse plays with a controller and uses kinect support. http://www.digitaltrends.co... But i am interested in Quantum break and Forza. So i already have enough reason to buy an Xb1. The E3 reveals change nothing about that.
It was disconcerting that two of the game-related news items they showed at their conference were STILL TV centered. That rather laughable Remedy trailer is apparently a game that "blurs the line between gaming and TV ", and Halo was being turned into a TV show. This doesn't exactly inspire confidence in the rest of their games being shown at E3. How many will be directly geared towards the most massive/casual audience possible? As a long time Xbox supporter, they have one more chance in my book. One. And even then, the games still come with their DRM burden and confirmed weaker hardware specs.
How will it work with my new Samsung that has motion control, voice Control and face recognition.
Give them another chance for what ? The simple fact that they even tried to force feed me anti-consumer and draconian policies is down right BULLSH*T. Why give them a chance when they didnt allow me as a CONSUMER the choice of freedoms that are giving to me by law. Not to mention them tip toeing around the rumours and speculations that have been spreading like wild fire since the reveal. Enough is enough... I'm tired of these apologits and their articles trying to keep M$ afloat, they dug this hole they can climb back up.
maybe if the forget about DRM and invasion of privacy with Kinect....
Since the reveal of this "box" I have not read more than a handful of posts (of undoubtedly and sadly thousands) in favour of this all-round poor decision that is the "XboxOne". Not only on n4g, but all across the internet. Given all of the negativity, I just cant see MS doing well at all with this thing. What are they going to pull from their ass in an attempt to save this PR nightmare? Perhaps it is just the initial disappointment that will blow over for most? beats me. AS I've written before I am not going to pay for MS's R&D for crap in a box I dont want nor will I use. IMO the millions of people who are serious about TV (christ only knows why) already have their fancy set ups and boxes etc etc and wont throw it all away for this stupid amalgamation of bullshit. I bet plenty of people will want this crap but I'll also bet me testies it wont be enough to give this thing long enough legs to compete with Sony's machine. Fucking TV?! Really?! TV is the main focus of this thing so far?! ....TV..... What is this the 1950's?? "Say June, Barney and Martha Johnson down the lane a ways just got themselves a brand new coloured television set! Swell of them to invite us over to watch Ed Sullivan tonight" "Boy Walter, I'll say! That sounds grand...hey, hold on a minute Walt...arent the Johnson's pinko communists? "Gee whiz June you're right! Well dont that beat all? By golly, I guess we'll just have to go with those wily Japanese. Kiss. My. Ass. MS.
This Article = Leave Britney Alone!
Their TV integration and sports extravaganza could demoed within 15 minutes with every single talking point on the reveal. They could still have a good 45 minutes for games. This is 3 months AFTER Sony Reveal, where we had live demos of 2 exclusives (Knack played on VITA, Killzone SF) and Unreal Engine. We even read how Guerilla was under pressure to get Killzone to work flawlessly for the reveal, even with stream upload to put an icing on the cake. Sony made sure we got the goods, although people were too bitchy about not seeing the console itself. If the extra 3 months with one month of delay wasn't enough to beat Sony in terms game presentations, this tells me two things: *Games are not their primary focus anymore *Their exclusives are not yet ready for display... Even a few minutes hands on for an exclusive game would be welcome.
I have always chosen MS consoles over Sony's but this go around may be different. I'll give MS up until launch to show me that t.v. and Kinect is not their main focus. If MS can cater to gamers like me then ill buy the next xbox but if they wanna continue to cater only to casuals then Sony and Nintendo will get more attention from me.
If showing and telling the following: That E3 is all about the games Console and how it works Call of Duty Ghost EA Sports Games 15 Exclusive for first year alone, 8 brand new IP's and 7 existing franchises New IP Remedy Quantum Break Forza 5 New Controller Halo Show being developed by Steven Spielberg Xbox powered by Cloud 300 thousand servers will be available for Xbox live Plus: Post Game announcements Ryse, Tusk Studios New IP, Rare bringing back a franchise. Skype intergration will power cross chat Microsoft investing billions on Game developement Remote play to allow friends to assist you in games Kinect 2.0 Destiny Not always online but yes will require a connection for Multiplayer and update (just like current gen systems) Then the truth is nothing will convince you not even E3. As for me I am in on day one. See all of you at E3
I'll dismiss whatever I want to dismiss thank you
So basically you want us to wait to hear MS express what they plan on doing in a different way? I don't think so...a gameplan is a gameplan. MS been saying for the longest what they want to do with Xbox One with what they have been doing with 360 as of late. We read articles for months about MS wanting Xbox to be at the forefront of your media entertainment hub. So give em another chance? That's foolish. It's like taking back a cheating girlfriend, and its the third time it has happened. I'm rolling with Kaz. I'm rolling with a console that has the gamer in mind.
Microsoft will show you how to become the big mama screaming "TURN ON THE TV!"
The average gamer consumer doesn't know about gpu's, cpu's and teraflops. I think that the industry is changing to the point where it is mainstream now. Hell look at how the cell phone has evolved over the years as well as televisions, blu-ray players etc. this is natural progression folks plan and simple. If you don't like the X1 don't buy the X1. The thing about the N4g that I really hate is the fact that people who dont like something love entering threads about the subject. Is that cool or something. I don't plan on buying a Wii U or a PS Vita so I don't enter threads regarding those systems. What are you guys so afraid of. If the Ps4 is more powerful than the X1 then so be it. But remember that the casual gamer will be the one that will decide the victor not us. You all can bitch an moan all you want to but the general public don't know what we know. its like what ever on here is the opposite in reality. On this board COD is hated but in the real world its the biggest selling franchise in history, on here sony exclusives are the best things since sliced bread but in the real world they don't sell that well. On N4g you would never figure that MS became the market leader while Sony's dominance from the Ps2 has waned considerably. These are not my opinions these are facts.
I agree MS should have a chance @E3 to show Xbox Fans...but I think the rest of us are pretty damn clear what we want.
I think most people are going to want to see what kind of games they bring to the table, the ones who made up their minds before May 21st can just continue to complain about a console they were never going to buy anyway.
You're right I wasn't expecting to getting the new Xbox before May because I could clearly see this new direction MS was taking. I was hoping the 21st event could convince me. MS managed to do the complete opposite and only reaffirmed my suspicions of their bogus directions.
Since you have one bubble I'm not really take what you say at face value, but since you seem to be a regular on this site I'll bite. Microsoft said they would not focus on games on May 21st, they clearly stated they would introduce the hardware and focus on games at E3. I can go dig up multiple links to stories to prove my point, but since you cannot reply anyway, I'll leave the Google option to you. Secondly, people have to know that 90% of the games that go on the PS4, will also come to the Xbox One, that's a fact. The only differences that I can see are the exclusives, and Microsoft will have dedicated servers for every single game on Xbox Live.
@Jek_Porkins Whatever float your boat . You can keep ignoring the xbox fans that are disgruntled , for now ,it doesnt make them dissappear . Meanwhile people here put much stock either in the words of guys like you that were convinced no matter what . No stalking you dont worry , but i've seen you around in the XBone threads , you seemed to take every bit of BS and negative stuff since the reveal with rose tinted glasses so .... Is the next Halo or new ip being great will matter to everyone if they are at odds with the core functionnality and features of the console itself ? Nope not to all folks .
I think whoever has decided not to buy the Xbox One should stfu and stay out of xb1 articles. You won't see me trolling Ps4 articles. Pretty simple.
Um, I don't know how old you kids are, but my friends usually buy games instead of borrowing mine seeing as how we're adults. And if they want to see how a game plays before they purchase it, they usually come to my house to see it in action or look at YouTube. No one borrows a game to determine if they want to buy it. They usually borrow it because they want to complete it without buying it. And as for people wondering about the kinect watching you when the Xbox is turned off, you don't mind it watching you when it's turned on? What about PC cameras when you Skype, not worried about that? Or how about smartphone cameras when you video chat?
I don't buy a consoles because I'm able to let friends borrow games. I don't determine that I'm not buying a console because I think Microsoft wants to spy on me because they work for the CIA. I buy a console because I...wait for it...want to play games. Because I like how the controller feels or how easy the online components are accessible. Both systems will play games, so I'll buy both for different exclusives. But I do like the added features of the Xbox 1. And you know what, if Microsoft wants to watch me sit on my couch with a wife beater on and no pants (because they supposedly want to spy on everyone now) then be my guest.
Unless they say Im sorry, but were going to add Backwards compatibility, not charge used games fees, and give specs that at least match the ps4, then im good.
Sony will charge for used games, since EA has stopped Online Passes, Microsoft are doing it so Sony will as well
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