Digital Foundry: Killzone Shadow Fall PS Meeting demo used 3GB of RAM & FXAA
3gb ram thats huge considering majoraty of PC games take about 2gb witch makes me excited knowing next gen PC games be using more memory bigger games.
Yes but you forget that Next generation consoles will bring a new level of gaming. So pc will increase the standard memory used from 2 GB to 3-6 GB each game. Don't forget that they will provide better ram such as DDR4 and GDDR5 for the pc after few years. It's good news for pc gamers for at least 2 years from now :). All gonna be happy ^^ . Only ignorants will complain. There is no limitation for longer time then this generation. Because sony learned their mistake. However let's hope MS don't hold the ps4 and pc.
Killzone Shadow Fall is in development at the studio which is just a few miles away from my house.. no one cares eh?
Same here dude! Herengracht in amsterdam. I see their office everytime I go to work. They have this Helghast statue in front of the window staring at me everytime im on my bicycle to work (Yes! We dutchies ride bicycles). Maybe some day ill break a window and collect as many Killzone shadow fall data as I can.
Pix??:P Big fan of the Higs i look at them like sort of Space Nazis >_<.
Their studio is like 150km from my house haha
for me more like 30 i live in Almere
But if they was pretty much maxing the GPU it doesn't really matter how much surplus ram there was.
Finally someone who understands that having an extra 5GB of RAM to play with doesn't mean the game will look better. The GPU can only render so many things on the screen at one time. The extra RAM is in the PS4 to make developing on it easier, decrease load times, and allow more things to be "open" in the background.
It still seems a lot of people don't know that or don't care and just think more RAM means better gfx this is stupidity on a whole other level . Maybe they'll understand if i say it like this RAM has nothing to do with processing power it's used for temporary saving textures and objects you see in game for fast loading the more you have the less time it takes to load certain areas and if the game is small enough they can almost negate the load times
...The KillZone demo used 1.5GB VRAM. The total was indeed 3GB. Lord knows what it is now :)
If the 3GB include the OS then it's only 2GB used on the game.. I don't know. Someone explain if i'm wrong..
Around 5 GB for KZ:SF; probably around 6 GB of total system memory when you include OS features and stuff. ~1,600 MB for CPU jobs. ~128 MB of shared memory. ~3,100 MB for GPU.
I don't think Sony would let each developer use all of the GB right away would they?
What? You seriously thing Sony's going to introduce artificial limitations on their developers?
You could look at it this way but there are other ways to look at it. Don't think so because the better the games look and play the better reputation. Most people don't know about the amount of ram the ps3 have. So why would they care how much ram the games use. Even if launch games used all the ram doesn't mean developers can't bring better art and gameplay.
Killzone is going to rock the gaming world. Good luck may 21st Microsoft.
Cool, hope it plays well to
PC gamers should get excited for next gen consoles. Finally, devs will stop making scalable game engines to please the console gamers. The new consoles will be capable of performing at a PC level, meaning PC games will finally get to utilize its true potential.
Nice can't wait to see what developers do down the road. Also I don't agree with the comment best looking game on consoles and PC when you can buy a expensive as rig and games will look stunning but for the price range of 400-500 I say it's on par if not better than a PC of same price PC gamers always say oh my expensive PC can make this game 10 times better when at 5 times the cost yes. But if you want to do real comparison than lets compare a $500 PC to ps4/ next Xbox and than lets compare It's unfair to comparing a $1200 PC with a $450-500 console BTW: my PC just went out lol now need to buy a new one price range $500-600 any suggestions specs wise?
:O I don't think any 1st or 2nd party devs have ever used that much ram to date for a game even on PC. I know GG is going to blow sh*t apart at E3 with the visuals and what they showed off at the Feb event will be nothing compared to E3.
I think the main reason for 8gb is that Sony wants devs to bring back the couch co-op, without the need to degrading the graphical fidelity, when the player count increases... Imagine being able to play this very game with four players on one console for single player co-op or even online against other people with visuals that are the EXACT same quality as it would be if it were played with one player... And without the side bars, that fill up the rest of the screen, that I personally hate seeing especially on HD tv...
Uncharted 3's split srceen multiplayer laid waste to a lot of space. lol Warhawk did it right and gave you options.
LOL. 8-3= 5.
I think it uses 3gbs of the RAM because of the design of the APU architecture. Since the GPU and CPU are writing to the same memory more is pushed to the RAM where they can both use it as opposed to leaving things in the L1 or L2 for the CPU. I think it's something that will make the hardware better and better as devs get used to it.
You're on the right on this.
Why do pc gamers feel the need to constantly go on about how much more powerful there pc is? for one we dont care, for two i think half of its jealously because consoles have better games. Ive never heard a pc gamer boasting about how great the gameplay is on pc, just the gfx. bored of heaqring it!
the same way people always taking underpowered this an many rams of that......basically the ranks of gaming.. mobile<handheld<console. <pc..(in terms of power.) and if anybody thinks the ps4 can outperform a hi performance gaming pc... theyve got problems..
I don't for one minute think the PS4 can out perform a high performance pc. but that wont matter to me one bit when im playing KZ-skyfall n my 40"samsung led. PS4 will have better games
im just saying that people SOME PEOPLE be delusional..an lack commonsense sometimes.. if thats not you great.. your not a follower of trends.. but from the comments i read..people make the ps4 seem like a sentient console or some sh!t.. look i dont game pc.. i have a ps360wii & u 3ds/vita i game on consoles.. but i know that pc will destroy console on power alone...does that make games better no... but to some people now an days power is everything.(not to me) .... @sync90.... the only difference will come down to first party games...because if the ps4 and nextbox are basically pc. that means porting stuff should be a breeze...
Saying ps4 will have better games is ignorant.
what's the point of having a lambagini if ya can only drive it 70 miles an her in the UK?
Sony should have kept its secrets until E3. Microsoft now has ample time to make adjustments.
Ample time for adjustments? Nah, I think it takes longer to adjust and change anything major at this point, considering manufacturing should be ramping up soon if they were to release it this fall like the PS4. Unless they delay the system by another year or so, which I don't think they will do, then changing anything major as a result is out of the question.
Nothing major, but Microsoft could add more memory (back in February) to compensate.
They could but adding more memory then 8 GB like they are rumored to have in the next Xbox seems a little redundant don't you think?
Lies. Unless they want to launch holiday 2014
Not if much of Xbox's RAM is being used for other tasks, as the rumors go. If that is the case, Microsoft may decide that adding more usable RAM is worth the cost. Also, there is NO POSSIBLE WAY Microsoft will not reveal a similar feature of Sony's Share. It's trophies vs accomplishments only in reverse.
Thinking this will be a must have early title on PS4. Impressive.
This proves that Guerrilla indeed DID know about the 8GB RAM increase. http://fr.slideshare.net/gu...
Thanks for the link Yewles! Interesting tidbit: All particles are generated by the cpu in 10ms. They plan on moving to compute in the future.
PC gamers - "Consoles are weaker than PC" - Yet PC offer no innovation what so ever in gaming beside looking better. Stop with the PC bull crap. Your game won't be miraculous better because it's on a pc. Graphically it will. If a game is good that's all that should matter, not the system. And I would like PC gamers to stop making it seem like all pc are made equal. The PC market is fragmented and there's too many different things to take into consideration before you can even Start to play a game. On top of that, it's way more expensive to keep up with gaming because every three months another graphic card offers something the last doesn't and it ends up being more than $1000. Console are straight forward and don't require much tweaking for 100 different pc specifications.
You know nothing of PC gaming, only what you read in the comments of others. Do you know of the NVIDIA 8800GT? That card came out way back in 2007, and for years it was the most used card by gamers on Steam despite being outdated badly. That old card even provides better performance than the current gen consoles. Not because there's always a new card coming out, it doesn't mean you have to upgrade, games will still perform well on your old card. PC gamers have something consoles gamers don't have, and that is choice.
An 8800 should be more powerful. The Xbox had the more powerful GPU of the consoles and it's GPU was designed in 2004. A lot of changes came after 2004. Compare the Xenos to a card from 2004-05 and it competes pretty well.
You are an ignorant moron. I haven't updated my PC in 4 years and I'm still maxing everything at 45-60 fps. It cost me $800 after tax and I spent that much because I'm a video editor and game on the same machine. I also own all current gen consoles and halo is my fav Xbox series and kZ my fav ps3
ummmm stop with the Console bull crap.... who say's PC gaming cannot game just as well or even better than consoles. To this day FPS, RTS, MMORPG's simply play better on a PC.. Good example is a game I just finished Dishonored. I bought it on sale on the ps3 since it was on sale for 30 dollars and it got such high ratings. I can honestly say I as bored with the slow load times and finicky slow controls. When the game dropped on the PC for 15 dollars I quickly grabbed it and I ejoyed the game MUCH more. Yes every 6 months there is a new video card but does that mean the current cards get much slower that they cant play games? It takes a good 1.5 years to create a new game and 2> 3 years to have a signficat change in technology. So you do not have to upgrade every so called 3 months?
There was a time when PC gamers were ridiculed for talking up the amount of RAM they have in their systems, now console gamers are bragging LOL. You guys are at 8? We've been at 16GB for years :)
PC gamers have also always bragged about how much Ram PCs could hold over consoles, now that PS4 has some damn decent ram(you're forgetting it's GDDR 5) fanboys can't stop saying "Ram does not make better graphics" immaturity goes both ways when it comes to fanboy wars, that's why i stay away from them and just play my games.
From what I have read the 8gb GDDR5 is shared memory, Ram is a great factor in textures and texture load times and resolution. But you also needs a very strong GPU. Yes the RAM might be there but I am still skeptical since many of the high end video cards still need alot of ventalation. I am picturing the ones in the consoles will be close to a mid to high range laptop GPU.
Don't talk about how we're forgetting its GDDR5 when you know nothing. This type of RAM has been around in PC gaming since 2008, you're just learning of it.
Let me know when your PC games takes advantage of all that 16 GB RAM, let alone 8 GB. Kthxbai :)
LMFAO! "We"? unless that "we" is 160 million of you, it means little to nothing. The problem is, can you even name a PC game that supported 16 gigs? I can name quite a few that will support 8 gigs just this fall....on console anyway LOL! Buddy, I can have a PC that has 32gigs of ram, 4X 7990's etc.....I'm not sure what they will do for a already dated game. Can I run BF4...yup, Watchdogs....yup. But what can you really run that is TRULY using this ram up that is PC exclusive? Star Citizen comes to mind. In terms of PC gaming, no one cares how much crap you have in your computer, do 160 million of your friends have it too? If not STFU. Its like having one of those supercomputer's from Japan.....yeah you own the worlds fastest supercomputer....did you just think that every gaming publisher would just start supporting it just because YOU and ONLY YOU owned it? 160 million people will own PS4's and 720's....just how much will own your special 16GB's? AND you wonder why it doesn't get supported like consoles. Crap like "I've owned 16GB's for years" I own 4gigs and its good enough, this is why most games don't require you to have 3 or 4 gigs in order to play them. You and I don't own the same amount of ram, how can any developer make a game with 8 or 16 gigs in mind when they don't even know how many PC gamers even own such an amount of ram?
Theres a difference between your PC having 16gigs of ddr and a game actually running on 7-8gigs of gddr5. Most high-end games on PC Utilize only 1-2 gigs of gddr5 and 4 gigs of your system ram, which in terms of power doesnt compare at all to the ps4 ram.
I would have personally have chose a better gpu and less ram. There is no way 1.8 tf will feed 8 gb of gddr 5 ram. I can see it going to multimedia functions and increased splitscreen count. That just isn't enough polygons to be textured all at once.
I believe the RAM is more about HSA than anything. Since the CPU and GPU will be writing to the same address it will need to be stored somewhere both can easily access it.
I think the advantage is that programmers can be lazy. And when you have a deadline, lazy is good!
PC guys are jealous not getting Killzone:SS LOL Poor PC guys..
Well if they buy a PS4 they will. lol
you do know it's possible to own more than one platform, crazy right?
I'm getting a PS4 for sony exclusives... who says a PC gamer cannot buy a console? More like poor console only players who think PC gaming is much too expensive and you have to upgrade every 3 to 6 months.
they just need to buy PS4,not hard imo ;)
Now pump that baby up to 6.
LOL @people above. The amount of RAM does not increase the graphics of the game.
Not trying to downplay the specs in the slightest but people don't understand that if you don't have a strong enough GPU, all that RAM can't even be used toward graphical performance. PC gamers have had 8 GIGs, 16 GIGs, and 32 GIGs for a LONG time now and when it comes to playing games, all those amounts of RAM have been completely useless since 98% of games only use 2 GIGs and 2% only using 4 GIGs (not real numbers, just putting it into perspective) Like some have stated above, all that extra RAM pretty much allows developing on the system easier - devs won't have to optimize much for it since they have so much excess RAM.
Damn! That means midway through its life, games will be way better in quality
Look at all the graphics whores in here.... LOL
Who doesn't miss the days where only game installs, updates & patches were the only thing to wait on for a game to play. Welcome to 2013 were the multitude of options on pc can make 2 or 3 step process seemingly multiply. Will it work with the profiles on my gaming keyboard and mouse? Should I disable the anivirus? Should I reconfigure my router's firewall? What's the best optimization for my CPU? How do I configure direct X? How do I update the firmware on my GPU? Is my pc running cool enough? How do I prevent a hard drive crash? This is of course assuming your using a decent laptop. The options only increase from there on a desktop pc. Ain't multiplication great. ^_~
Wow, no one here is questioning how they can tell how much ram is being used from a gameplay video? seems like they pulled it out of their ass, not saying using 3GB is good or bad(i really don't care) but i don't get how you can just accept such a short simple baseless statement as absolute fact
Maybe because it's from a publication released by Guerrilla Games themselves?