Just Cause devs: Wii U dev kits “collecting dust,” no plans to develop for the console
not gonna change anything
It turns the WiiU into the Gamecube both 3rd party support and sales wise. I think thats a big change from the blockbuster Wii. You dont?
EA's lack of support killed another console. SEGA made it. It was the first console launched in its generation. Sound familiar?
dedicatedtogamers very true. everyone else will follow suit if ea have refused to support the wii u. this gen is going to be tough for nintendo
When you say that Wii U was "the first console launched in its generation" don't you really mean "the last console launched in the current generation?" It's currently competing with the PS3 and 360 since it plays games of the same level found on PS3 and 360. I think that's why it's not doing so well, because it's competing at the PS3/360 level, not at the PS4/Nextbox level, which is what a lot of people are waiting for later this year. That, along with its price and lack of first party games.
Nintendo fanboys are straight up foolish. You have all kinds of developers saying that they will not be developing games for the WiiU, the sales numbers are poor, Iwata takes control of Nintendo of America out of desperation, and Nintendo is not having a big E3 conference this year. If you people don't see that the writing is on the wall, then I guess its going to take Nintendo dropping out of the home console market for you guys to understand the gravity of the situation. I think Nintendo could pull out of home consoles within 2 years.
It only has 1GB of ram that is actually a joke when it was released in 2012, I would tell nintendo to get lost
Well part of it is because of half of Nintendos fan base. The one that secretly wants things to change but when they talk with sony and M$ fans they are ok with playing the same games mostly with nothing new. The other half doesnt care what nintendo pulls ok (mostly the kids and the casual adults who bought a wii) and just buy anything. I kinda feel sorry for Nintendo tho, if you were in their shoes you would be sweating O_o but not me cause I like Sonys take on things more. Sony makes great 1st party and keeps new things coming. Nintendo used to be 2nd for me but I'll make that PC gaming (again) now.
The Wii pretty much took the baton and sprinted while 360 was in the lead and the PS3 was practically jogging. the momentum was huge for the Wii and due to it being an SD console, games are coming from left and right non-stop although the momentum is pretty much dead now but it doesn't really matter anymore as they've sold almost 100 million of it! the problem is, Wii U has none of the momentum left by the Wii and casual gaming has almost left the console scene for smartphones and tablets. Nintendo is not going to succeed aiming for that market thus making the core gaming experience the battleground for now and being just slightly better than the aging 360 and PS3 is really killing its chance to shine. 3rd parties are not showing enough support and even the "king of porting games" - EA is taking their hands off it and THAT is HUGE problem for Nintendo! I can't see anything other than price drop can save the Wii U now if at all and they better do it sooner rather than later as the launch of the PS4 and the next XBOX will not be very forgiving.
This is messed up.
*Sigh.. its simple. The more Nintendo loses out on third party, the more the Wii U will...
I'm surprised people still think this is fine. The Wii U being released early was the only thing it had going for it, but Nintendo hasn't done **** to take advantage of this lead. I don't know what they're thinking, maybe people will go for Wii U when PS4 and Nextbox release?
im not surprised, its like no ones interested in them and xbox is gonna be the new nintendo thanks to their focus on girls and little kids.
Third parties never really supported Wii all that well either. Sure, it got some casual games here and there, or the occasional crappy port (Far Cry anyone?), but most of the blockbuster games didn't see a worthy port come to Wii. This only continues that trend. Developers do not want to have to scale down their games so a weak system can play them also. That costs them money in order to pay their programmers and artists to do these things, and when the Wii U has a Wiik install base, they is not a risk that is worth taking to them. I called this 2 E3's ago when they announced Wii U.
"Wiik." I see what you did there.
Idk what your talking about Wii had a bunch of great games that were released exclusive to the wiiLike the tales of symphonic game or xenoblade There were a few other third party games that were released exclusive to wii that had poor sales but the game were excellent in quality
in a way i am happy that Nintendo is being treated like this. They have been the Royal child of the gaming Industry who could do nothing wrong and get away with making the same gaming franchises that Nintendo fans get so excited for but when MS or Sony make one too many sequels its milking their IP's so its ok for one company to make countless sequels and prequels but not for another to make 4 games into a series all the core nintendo fana who are so happy with Gamepad now is the time to admit that it was a huge mistake. Nintendo wanted to Target core fans with its HD console but wanted the Mobile crowd with gamepad which resembled Ipad but in the end they get both wrong people who have Ipads don't buy $50-60 dollar games their range is $5-10. and core fans like me are not buying wiiu because its not next gen console. go ahead disagree all you want all the major new engines don't support wiiu all the R&D that went into making the gamepad should have gone towards making the actual system specs better and more next gen. Wiiu specs are on par with current systems and i don't know if Nintendo knows but people are tired of this gen and ready to move on But than again Nintendo systems haven't gotten 3rd party support since NES so maybe people will buy wii-u just to play the nintendo exclusives lets make as many mario or zelda games as we want but oh god if there is another halo or uncharted ttan its milking the IP's stop with this hypocrisy
The Wii U's hardware capabilities are not on par with the generation of consoles that started in 2006. It has around 1.5-2X the capabilities then our current consoles and yet people down play that and condemn it to a dark corner. It may not be nearly as impressive in terms of computing power as the systems microsoft and sony have yet to release, but a console is only as good as it's software. All of these next gen consoles will have unique software due to their unique hardware, they just need time to develop it. As far as the game pad goes anyone could make some really interesting applications for it if they put their mind to it, just as anyone could make interesting software for other consoles. We need to wait for quality software to show up before we can judge anything, heck Sony and Microsoft both haven't even released their consoles yet.
Also anyone who disagrees with me should check out the alpha footage for Shadow of the Eternals
Linkofrs Issue is my friend 3rd party games on Nintendo home consoles don't sell. So why would a big publisher risk developing a big gaming using wiiu to its max when end result most likely means they won't make that money back Also no matter how you or anyone else spin it games on ps4 and next Xbox will look a lot better an more detailed than current systems and that means wiiu When most next gen engines aren't compatible with wiiu that should tell you all you need to know. Also you said anyone can make cool applications for gamepad but is that why people need to buy a wiiu or any console for that matter to play a cool application? Also keep word being if and who will be funding that BIG IF? Nintendo is in a lot more trouble than people think. I am about to be 30 been playing games since I was 6, this isn't gonna pan out for Nintendo. We can say whatever we want about patcher but one thing he was rig about was WIIHD should have happened in 2010. Now Nintendo is stuck in the middle again and publishers will have consoles which are designed to take advantage of their engines and have proven track records when it comes to selling 3rd part games along with established networks
I'm sorry if seem a bit too aggressive in my wording. There is no doubt that Nintendo will have a tough time with this generation. I'm merely saying that people shouldn't count their chickens before they hatch. Anyway, this upcoming generation of consoles should be able to support any of the upcoming game engines. The game engines currently being developed will most likely be very scalable. It is also very true that the next playstation and xbox will have more visually appealing games. In the end the biggest challenge for nintendo will be attracting 3rd party developers and they do have a very high likely hood of not being able to do that. I'm merely just trying to say that the wii u still has potential untapped. Most people are dismissive of it because there has been a major lack of software. Nintendo will probably be showing some good looking software as soon as the other developers show theirs( I hope). It does take a while to get used to new hardware which is why Sony and Microsoft haven't shown much yet. Anyway again I'm sorry if it seems like I'm singling you out, I'm just trying to ask people to be patient. =]
That's understandable, they don't feel the install base is big enough. Wait until after the holidays when Nintendo has released some of their larger 1st party games. You will see the install base quickly escalate and I think a lot of 3rd party developers will be reconsidering their plans with the Wii U.
I hope that's true for Wii U owner's sake. It's either that or the PS4 and Xbox 720 will make it obsolete...even in the eyes of devs and publishers.
The wii had a large install base but that didnt seem to help 3rd party devs much. Nintendo fans seem to be locked into buying nintendo 1st party games and very little else.
somewhat true, but that is because in this day and age it isn't uncommon to see someone with multiple gaming systems. I had a Wii for all the first party games, but usually did all my multiplayer gaming on my 360 due to the larger userbase of Xbox Live.
That was only because the Wii wasn't a HD console.
I don't see Nintendo's holiday season doing so abundantly well with the next gen Playstation and XBox driving potential purchasers away...hell, with last holiday season, Wii U sales have not fared well against current systems, so what's going to change?
I'm sure that some of Nintendo's upcoming 1st party games will help. Heck, I've been holding off buying one for a couple of reasons, one being that most of the games that I want to play for it are yet to be released. It also needs a serious price drop. It is difficult justify buying a console that seems to be only marginally better than other HD platforms that are out right now, and it looks to be completely outmatched by Sony and Microsoft's new consoles that should be releasing by year's end. I know that I still want one, but unless I come upon some extra cash that I just don't need, then I can't see myself getting one anytime in the immediate future with PS4/New Xbox on the horizon. The Wii U is a good idea that really should have happened years ago.
Yeah they can wait until the install base is much bigger and no one cares about a game from them.
@Neonridr: Do you actually believe that? 2013 was supposed to be the year for Wii U to clear up in sales. They were the only 'next-gen' console on the market & since the initial success at launch, sales have been pretty abysmal. This was a massive year for 3rd parties; games like Bioshock, GTA, Tomb Raider, Crysis & MGS, all deciding to pass on the U. Even it's biggest 3rd party publisher, Ubisoft, have started to edge away from the console. Unless Ninty pulls something serious out of the bag before Sony & MS's unveilings at E3, then it won't recoverable come 2014...
Expect a huge price drop this holiday season. It's the only way Nintendo can really compete when the PS4 and 720 drop.
Wii U can't catch any breaks
so true, so many negative remarks and snubs from devs and consumers alike. i don't think the release of the ps4 will help either and after that the next xbox it will be sometime before nintendo can start to make amends keeping in mind they won't show up at E3.
I bought my Wii U for first party titles. I knew it wouldn't get much third party support.
Then you really bought the next gen Gamecube. just 6 years late. Pretend the Wii never happened and my metaphor holds. Edit - *Waiting for Xenoblade2, badly.
If all it's good for is 1st party, than why should Nintendo continue to make home consoles? Seems like it would be better if they'd go third party.
Because their consoles and handhelds sell like crack after they release a few titles. They do get third party support, but very little of it compared to the other consoles and PC.
@Kamikaze135 But, third party support, hardware(power) play a major role in longevity/support, and services. Nintendo isn't doing well in these areas compared to the competition. I like their games, but I can really live without the hardware.
because it will never happen. Not because it isnt logical, but because of pride, and especially specific cultural differences in their business. It would be a sad day for gaming, but if nintendo went third party I would buy their games all the same because I already buy all consoles. However I think an important thing to watch is the joining of the console and handheld departments. Nintendo knows they were unprepared in a number of areas where they should have been prepared and are paying for it now. However they are taking steps to make a change, and I can only hope that they are taking notes to learn from things they did wrong. I don't mean they are gonna drop the wii u cuz that would make things worse. They are putting better focus and preparation in the next console though so we will see if it pays off
Ummm Wow...that's pretty up front about that. So the Wii & Wii U are actually the same no matter what Nintendo says. They both have little to no 3rd party support. It is kinda sad. Sometimes Nintendo living in your own little bubble is not good for you, coming out of it once in awhile will actually do some good.
I'm confused. Some devs love it, others cant be bothered. Some say its under powered, some say its very capable IF you take time to understand its mechanics. Crytek said the WiiU cant handle its engine, but Shadow of the Eternals which uses the Crytek engine will be available for WiiU. EA ain't releasing jack sh!t for the WiiU (or 3DS) but they have strong ties with them. So WTF is going on here?! Even Iwata said the kit was capable to run any new games. Nintendo needs to clarify things and stay on top of this.
Crytek never said that the Wii U couldn't handle it's engine. They said they had Crysis 3 up and running on the system, but due to EA, they had no plans of releasing it. http://www.computerandvideo... EA claims that Frostbite 3 won't work on the Wii U, but yet somehow it will run on the 360 and PS3. Personally I think it's developers being lazy and not taking the time to understand the hardware, plus the install base is so low at this point that there's no real benefit for a company to release a Wii U game unless they know for sure it will be a smash success.
You're right about Crytek. and I have said before if they took the time to understand the tech any game could work on the WiiU. This is frustrating as hell.
What you don't understand??? They are not lazy, they just don't like throwing money through window for fun. Developing Wii U Games is now much harder and expensive than nextgen ps4/xbox720 and it's almost impossible to earn $$$ on Wii U games.
"Personally I think it's developers being lazy and not taking the time to understand the hardware" i find that impossible, seeing that the thing is simple to develop for.
Until the install base hits 10m plus, developers arent going to risk spending money on porting a game to a system where sales are going to be hard to come by. It needs three solid first party games to get the install base up to a point where developers will take those risks, but it'll never be a console that keeps pace sales wise with the next gen consoles. Just too many poor decisions at the design stage.
I don't think it is the devs. I think it is the companies that make the call. Most of the things I read from these devs say they like the Wii U, but can't make games for it because the install base is small. I think many devs embrace the challenge of finding uses for the gamepad as well. Any good dev would want their work to reach as many gamers as possible, but when company heads like the ones at EA cockblock that desire due to business relations, that doesn't happen. Gaming will go on regardless, but I would enjoy gaming a lot more if we didn't have bullshit like this happening all the time.
CPU IBM Power®-based multi-core microprocessor IBM has revealed it to be a 45nm chip, with embedded DRAM. Additionally, the CPU is based on the same chip that is used in the Watson supercomputer, implying it is a Power7 model. (Source: Kotaku) A hacker know as Hector Martin said that the CPU clocks in at about 1.23 GHZ. Add in : the fact that there is 1 GB to work with when both the next Xbox and PS4 have 8 GB's along with the PC! RAM The Wii U has 2GB of RAM. 1GB of RAM is allocated to system functions. Examples of system functions include TVii and Mii-verse. The other 1GB is allocated for games. http://www.ign.com/wikis/wi... now that's no slouch of a PROCESSOR, THE PROBLEM IS THE BANDWIDTH! JUST TO IN AND OUT OF iO is 17 GB/sec with 11 GB/sec being the middle ground in other word's half of the xbox360's and lower than the PS3's 35 GB/sec to iO. this is not something you can just up and ignore the game engine may require Much higher Clock data throughput. thus the WiiU has a very kick @ss GPU but the other part's makes it exceedingly difficult to spend the money required to make use of a game engine built from the ground up to take advantage of the WiiU's robust hardware. this was in effect what happened to the PS3, powerful hardware but all the game engines were not designed for such hardware from the get Go. Thus right off the Bat, Nintendo is using Power PC chipset's while Sony and Also rumored Microsoft is using x86, if indeed Microsoft does use x86 than that would make the Nintendo platform the odd man out with 3rd party Game engine's.
Wii U CPU is NOT Power7, IBM corrected that assumption. https://mobile.twitter.com/... It was discovered to be a triple core version of the Wii and Gamecube's CPU. http://www.eurogamer.net/ar... Also, research has led to constant speculation over the Wii U's GPU. IGN's info is incorrect.
What I don't get is why nintendo doesn't reveal this info... what is there to hide? other than clearly inferiority to what you could buy dirt cheap for a pc-only thing it has going for it is the gamepad but even that is more gimmick than useful gaming device- and without the games to support it...
Thanks for the links, it still is a power pc chip. So it still does put 3rd party in the base point that Microsoft and Sony are using x86 while Nintendo is still using power chipset http://www-03.ibm.com/press... See it still is a power chipset. Though as you stated its not power 7 ign needs to change that..lol
And remember, the WiiU also wont be running the Unreal 4 engine. So many developers used the unreal engine this gen, I dont think things will change when next gen consoles are released.
I think Nintendo needs to launch a new console in 2013
Lol. How about a price drop of about $120. It saved the 3DS...
True I'd consider it if it were 199.99
150$ is a justifiable price.
The title of this article is a bit misleading, basically he's saying the install base right now is too risky for them to release a game for the console at this time, but that they want to at some point.
What's misleading about the title? Just like peoples Wii's, the Wii U (development kits) are collecting dust....it's a shame honestly but nonetheless the truth for now
It's misleading because it isn't collecting dust because they don't like it or don't want to develop for it, there isn't the install base needed for a third party game to be really successful at the moment, and a middle of the pack developer could end up closing up shop if things turned out really bad. He says he loves the Wii U hardware, and wants to develop for it.
another misleading title to get hits, and flame-bait... statement from Avalanche founder (rough translation): "No. Not at the moment. My kids play “Skylanders Giants” on Wii U. It’s pretty much the only dealings I have with the console. We actually had some develop (dev kits) consoles that just collected dust. It’s a little sad, because we were supposed wanted to do something. I think it is a cool platform, but right now it’s not just up to us. We want the game to release an as wide as possible." there's a difference between "no plans" and "no plans yet ("not at the moment"). they were supposed to do something and clearly their publishers are in control ("... not just up to us"). and yes, the install base issue.
Ive never understood this argument about a low install base, when the 360 was launched it was getting games and support left, right and center by this time in the wii-u lifetime, the 360 already had Ghost Reacon Advanced Warfighter and Oblivion two big AAA titles, with Gears of War and Fight Night nearing release, Similar with the ps3 aswell. The low install base excuse Is basically devs admitting that the Wii-U is a low priority.
WiiU has record low sales in hardware and software, so I doubt its the devs being biased toward the wiiU. At the beginning of PS3's lifespan Ninja Theory was able to sell 1.5 million copies of Heavenly Sword and it is a independent developer. I think there are only two games that sold over 1 mill on the wiiu and they are first party games. These days, selling over one million copies isn't enough to break even, so I think devs are being smart by staying away from the wiiU until the install base increases. Another difference between the wiiu and ps3/360 is that Microsoft and Sony showed off lots of exclusive content at their launch events. In the early days of the 360 we got crackdown, gears of war, and halo. The ps3 got resistance, motorstorm, and warhawk. It seems that the wiiu libary is mostly filled with ports at the moment. There are exclusives in the making, but nintendo is doing a bad job of marketing them. I still dont know what games are releasing for the system this year. I know they are making a new Zelda, but that news quickly got over shadowed by PS4 and Darango rumors. Just goes to show, that gamers are tired of the same ol' same ol'.
3rd party companies really need to try to build relationships with Nintendo(and vice versa) and work together to create a mutually beneficial business environment.
so much hate on wiiU I don´t care. I will buy it anyway. XENO 2 ... AM WAITING FOR YOU MY DEAR....!
This is Nintendos problem... "I will buy it..." "Im still getting it..." Lots of people saying they'll buy it, but no one actually is. Everyone has their reasons why they havent bought it yet, but the fact is that its been out several months and people dont see it as an essential purchase.
They're not even hating on it. If you actually bothered to read the article or any other article, you're realize that it isn't nonsensical hatred. Just reality.
By all indications Nintendo are in trouble concerning the Wii U...I haven't seen as much negativity about a console from developers since the initial years after the launch of the PS3, what's different however is that we know the Wii U will not show promise in the future do to it's outdated tech, and with the competition being more advanced Nintendo are in a bad spot from a console manufacturing stand point (NOTE: I am not saying financially because the Big N has the money to compete but just choose not to)
"what's different however is that we know the Wii U will not show promise in the future do to it's outdated tech" I respectively disagree, not because your argument is not viable its that what Nintendo has done, with the WiiU is what plagued the PS3. the Game engines made for this generation was made to run on Power PC. the next 3RD PARTY game engines by the looks of it will be based on x86 STANDARD DUE to the fact that right off the bat we know Sony is using x86, and rumor has it Microsoft is also using x86, and we know full well the PC is x86 IS IF MICROSOFT USES X86 than that means Nintendo will be the one out of the Three that have stuck to power for this up coming Generation of systems. Thus in effect you would need to have two game engines to make your games and most likely multiple teams, unless they are making an exclusive. it would mainly be for 3rd party really a no real doubt about investment of their resources. this is exactly what happened to the PS3. all 3rd party Game engines though ran on the power based PC processor's that all three were using this generation, only Sony's PS3 required more tailor made tool chains to make effective use of the hardware. Nintendo is in the same boat it looks like due to the fact: standard PC+PS4+XBOX70 = ONE SINGLE x86 development platform. while 3rd party development resources would have to branch for the WiiU. WiiU = Power PC based chip.
You buy a WiiU to play Nintendo games, not 3rd party. I really don't know why this is always in the news. It's been the ca