Haze only plays at 30 frames per second

While playing Haze at Play.com Live yesterday, I noticed in the bottom right corner of the screen that the Frames Per Second were only 30 while in game play. I thought that this was weird as most other games play around at 60 FPS now. So what does this mean for Haze will it mean rough gameplay you decide from the footage below...

[CRIMS0N_W0LF]

why people complain about 30 fps? The eye only sees like 27 fps. if its 30 fps w/o any slowdown its good. 60 fps we don't see difference.

[barom]

i agree that 30fps is pretty good. But I def see a difference between 30fps and 60fps.

If you play COD4 a lot, and then jump over a 30fps game (which is how pretty much 90% of the games are) you'll be surprised at how much your eyes get used to 30fps

[Violater]

Tired of these crappy sites and even worst articles.
At no point did the developers state the game would be anything else.
It certainly is the period before spring and E3 when we get no real gaming news.

[Twilightx7]

I won't actually click the Disagree button, but the human eye can detect well over 200 frames per second. However, Haze doesn't need to play any faster than 30 fps, depending on how the the final image is post processed. If Ubisoft has motion blur added throughout gameplay, as the footage you've linked suggests, then 30 fps should be totally acceptable.

People blow this garbage about 600/640p and low framerates WAY out of proportion. If the game is fun, play it and quit whining.

@Sushifx - Not "spreading crap" about the human eye, and despite the eye taking in light information, dark information, etc. etc., it STILL detects frames per second. http://amo.net/NT/02-21-01F...

[OpiZA]

http://www.100fps.com/how_m...

[Ghoul]

why do people still spread this crap about the human eye ???

you NEED at least 23-27 fps to make a fluid motion

The Human eye doesnt work by FPS we see far more then you might believe

only one of MANY ressources use google its your friend.

http://www.100fps.com/how_m...

[Nostradamus]

From fear of it not running at a "constant" 30fps.

When alot of action is on screen and it dips down to 20fps, you notice it, it looks bad.

But if it were running at 60fps, and dipped down to 40fps, you would not notice, it would still appear to run smooth.

just my thoughts, not talking about any particular game, just games in general.

[jmare]

Yes you would notice if a game was running at 60 fps and dipped to 40 fps. It would still be a smooth video, but you would be able to notice a slow down. To say otherwise is like saying you could watch a car traveling at 60 mph and have it slow to 40 mph and not be able to notice.

[masterg]

30 frames is all you need.
I'll take a good looking 30 frames/720p game over a half ass 60 frame/1080p game any day.

You can't tell the difference!! What you can is tell when a 30 frame game goes below 30 frames. If it's 100% locked at 30 frames I would dare anyone to see the difference between it and a 60 frame game.

NTSC movies play at 30 frames per second and PAL movies play at 25 frames per second. Does anyone think they can see the difference between those two?

[zslash]

"I thought that this was weird as most other games play around at 60 FPS now"

Wrong. Most games run at 30 nowadays. Anyway 30 FPS is fine.

[Nostradamus]

Sure, it might be a little noticeable, but it wouldnt get "choppy" thats when it goes beyond noticeable, and is hindering gameplay.

[Armyless]

Everything about this article is bad. How often do we see builds of a game with low-framerates PREviewed in magazines and by reputable online game reviewers.

Also, while this game is doing a great job of generating hype, I would not consider it one of the most anticipated titles of '08 when you have GTA4, RE5, FF13, MGS4, KZ2, RFoM2, and GT5.

[solidt12]

And it turned out fine. It even slowed down more at times.

[Richdad]

Gears 30 fps is correct but slowdowns showed up 1-2 in whole single player campaign of 8-10hrs and Multiplayer I was stressed to find slow down.
But yeah still 30fps is not bad, frame rate trouble are small and might be reduced in the final game.

[fenderputty]

Your site is wrong. The brain reads information of site in burst like frames as well. I was just watching this on discovery. (love that channel) When put under stress, the brain speeds up the frames but, while doing every day stuff, your brain only sees at about 30 frames a second.

Games like Resistance played at 30 FPS without any framerate drop and were 100% ok. If you're going to have 30FPS, then you can't ever dip below that level.

[Rikitatsu]

:rolleyes:

[doodle]

He spoke the truth

640p is not true HD + HAZE looks better than HALO 3

[Mr Playboy]

Yeah I know

but Gamer zone is only about the topic nothing else

[FirstknighT]

Why does every sony fan bring up Halo 3 with EVERY fps shooter???

Enuff with the jealousy.

[GETPWNT]

I know. Why don't these fanboys talk about a real shooter like Gears? GEARS holds the UNDISPUTED crown, NOT Halo 3. They know they can't compare anything to Gears without embarrassing themselves lol.

[jmare]

Yeah, how do you keep from being embarassed saying that a year and a half old game is the pinnacle of your console of choice's ability? I would not be saying that too often, if it were me. And most people agree that Bioshock and COD4 look better.

Edit: Also, Uncharted looked better. Disagree away fanboys.

[sonarus]

@First knight offcourse every fps is going to be compared to halo 3. Haze more than others because the games are crazy similar. I do not like how this guy in the article says its strange it runs at 30fps when some games like cod4 now run at 60. My question is, what other game runs at 60. Jst cod4 right so why complain. If the game drops to 20 then that is BS and i hope the issue is rectfied

[GETPWNT]

Sorry, JMARE, but who said anything about graphics? What does Gears being one of the best looking games of all time, right next to Condemned 2 (on 360, definitely not the downgraded delayed PSturd version), have anything to do with also being the greatest shooter of all time in gameplay? We are talking about GAMEPLAY. And Gears holds the UNDISPUTED CROWN, unless of course you're a fanboy, then I can see not liking it. Most fanboys hate it, for good reason ;)

Say hi to Resistance (generic bald space marine shooter #23541234231) for me!

As for why COD4 runs at 60 frames, it's because it uses very simple, low-rez shaders everywhere. It's easier on the fillrate. Nothing special. Shader powerhouses like Gears or Halo 3 couldn't possibly do that. Their shaders are too complex.

[PumPum]

This "news" article is some serious flamebait.

I got kinda dissapointed at COD4 after i bought a 1080p tv. Love COD4 but it looks pretty crappy because its upscaled just like H3.

Played some native 720p, 1080p games and the 720p native games looks leagues ahead of COD4 in the graphics department.
Still a good game but doesnt really look that good IMO. (COD4)

[Richdad]

COD4 looks good but yeah some distant objects and terrian elements where ugly no doubt but there artwork was such that they shadowed everything keeping the nearer object looking cool with high intensity battle going on thats what made it superb.
Halo 3 on the other high quality shader, brilliant special effects, excellent lighting, huge draw distance rendered throughly for sake of Forge made them to reduce the textures and polygons, 640 p was also on that account, I think Bungie made wrong choices abt graphics. Just think they made Volumetric clouds only crysis is the other game to do that and Halo 3 did it better and even there was no clear reason to do
that in Halo3. Wastage of hardware.

@Doodle COD4 gfx> Halo3 gfx: yes, Haze gfx> Halo3 gfx: Doubt abt this.

[StarieMichie]

Thank you for bringing up Uncharted. Sometimes I feel like people forget that it even exists. It is both a good looking and fun to play 3rd person shooter/adventure game.

[llamaman13]

and no the human eye can see 70 fps. most games run at 30 fps anyway.

[lodossrage]

Because Halo wasn't even true HD and was only 30fps

[permutated]

Who cares? It looked and played great.

Isn't that what matters? IT'S A FU<KING VIDEO GAME!

[resistance100]

Does this matter, after playing it the last to days i haven't noticed a single framerate drop once and everything runs smoothly. Its only when you have an unstable framerate, thats when you worry. I mean heck Gears Of War, Killzone 2, Resistance: FOM all ran/run at 30FPS as well

Also

just letting you know - http://resistance100.wordpr...

My impressions from today.

[lodossrage]

But you know someone is gonna make a deal out of it

[EZCheez]

What faction did you play as?

And if you got to play as both, which faction was more fun to play as?

I'm really looking forward to run up in someone face online while they're coked up on Nectar, grab their own gun and butt them in the face with it. That and the playing dead option sounds pretty fun too.

[resistance100]

Both demo's i played were as mantel troopers. Which was great, however i suspect fighting the mantel troopers by using nector to your advantage will be even better. The fact that this game offers to types of gameplay was the whole reason i was drawn to it in the first place

[EZCheez]

And thanks for all of the feedback from the show.

I agree about the Promise Hand troops too. They sound a lot more enticing to play as.

[heyheyhey]

the link is dodgy

they only showed us like 2 secs of gameplay that runs at 30fps, plus the build was an old version

it's very likely that the purpose of the delay was to get the FPS up to speed

[Mr Playboy]

As long as, a solid 30 FPS with no drops, it should be fine

[poos3]

4d any1

[The Killer]

the music and the video and everything and how they hide some info there!!

nice try!! i say wait and see till it comes out!

[zonetrooper5]

Fixed the errors btw.

[TheMART at PS3kings]

Still going to be a Brilliant game that will leave the 360 fanboys drooling

[permutated]

Yellow as a primarily color won't leave us drooling, it's already blinded me.

Seriously, Haze is quite possibly the ugliest game I've seen in years, and it absolutely has the worst contrast ratio and color palette I've seen in quite some time.

And this is coming from a Wii/PSP/360/PC player.

Full spectrum.

If Halo 3 or Bioshock were on the PS3 people would absolutely love them, but they're not, so people talk sh!t.

That's fine, and all, but you're wrong, no matter how much sh!t you spout.

Free Radical is a wonderful developer, and the Time Splitters series has my complete respect, but just because it's an "Exclusive title" doesn't mean everyone wants it, and it doesn't mean it's going to be good. It looks very generic, music like Frontlines FOW.

[athlon770]

What, does every game have to be glowing in neon before you stop saying that? That is a pretty lame excuse of a comment. "Gee, the colors in that game don't pop off the screen like Halo3, so it must have flat colors"...Typical BS from a BS gamer! Get a clue, not every game needs or should have floresent colors.

The fact that this game currently runs at 30 frames is not a big deal. Like many have said before me, the human eye can not distinguish individual frames on anything faster than 25fps (what current high def video runs at) so this game running at 30 (as long as it is locked at 30 and does not dip or drop frames) should not concern anyone.

[jackdoe]

Lol. If Halo and UT3 can run smoothly at 30 fps, I'm sure Haze will have no problem.

[Expy]

And only on PS3.

[GETPWNT]

HAHAHAHAHAHAH did u really just say that? Reread it.

[Spike47]

is that the game is fun to play, Haze's visuals at 30fps is great.

[PimpHandStrong]

in 07 we would have heard

"What no 120FPS like Sony promised"

What does COD play at? I dont even know and tell the truth i DONT REALLY CARE

[UrbanJabroni]

60fps.

[Agriel]

as long as its a solid 30 fps it don't matter at all most people wouldn't even know the difference between 60 and 30 fps while playing anyway so what does it matter. Besides don't they still have time to polish this up a bit before it goes gold.

[LinuxGuru]

What the hell is wrong with a locked 30 frames per second?

On PC....that's not so good...but with a controller.....30 fps is damned fine if you asked me, as long as it's LOCKED at 30 fps and it doesn't dip below that or anything.

[GETPWNT]

What's wrong? Too easy. Sony promised 120 frames and that PS3 would destroy 360 out of the gate. Duh. They lied again. That's what's wrong.

:)

[poopsack]

ya know? I would love to see that article where sony say they Promise 120 fps. really i would. Can you go fetch it for me?

[permutated]

http://www.gamespot.com/new...

2nd and 3rd paragraph, read carefully.

Now please be quiet.

[athlon770]

When the PS3 delivers that first game that runs at 120fps what are you going to do, run out into the street and wait for a truck to hit you? There were no statements that spoke out saying the PS3 will deliver every single game to come out on it running at 120fps! Just that during its lifetime, it will be capable of running a game at 120fps. So far, the PS3 has kept its word. If you want to get into picking on a console, how about we talk about that slide show game Mass Effect? Looks like it is running in dithered 256 color mode and still stutters all over itself. Think I am making that up, look at my gamertag, that is a level 60 achievement there for the game, you don't get that by playing the game for 30min!

Oh wait a min, what just happened there, wow, I just commented on a game that I own and play, not nit-picking a game that hasn't even been released and you are trying to what, make it sound that you know what you are talking about and we should listen to your opinion? Not gonna happen!

[Expy]

Also note why he blocked out the particle statistics and such.

[pornflakes]

Iam still waiting for the 120 FPS games in 1080p.

30 FPS is just making me laugh for the best vidoe game console on the universe with a no need blu ray disc and 7 core CELL power, right??

haha

[doodle]

all run at 1080P NATIVE @ 60 fps

Unfortunately no game on x360 runs at 1080P NATIVE/even 60 FPS

[heyheyhey]

many great modern games are in 30fps, im not even going to make a list cause there's a lot

and the 120fps thing is called MARKETING- heard of it??

it's just this little thing that EVERY COMPANY DOES every hour on the hour- it was more of a joke anyway

[Superiorrior]

Trying to act smart huh pornflakes = Fail.

Anything over 30 FPS you won't notice the difference, the prime FPS is still 60, just in case in intense scenes the FPS dips, 120 is over kill, and you won't notice anything except for when the FPS dips below 80, then you will notice sluggish movements, anyway smart guy.

[Gam71]

Sigh doodles here.

Fifa street is ONE of a few games thats 1080p native on the 360 and was the first 1080p game on either console.

As for 60fps, last years NFL was 60fps on 360 and 30 fps on ps3 with a dip on ps3 during conversion cut scenes.
Once again your spouting your biased fanboyism with nothing intelligent to say and pretending what you say is fact with no proof!

And once again your ignorance shines through whilst your poorly researched comments show you up to be a fool.

[heyheyhey]

@Gam71

actually before FS3, the PS3 had native 1080p games like Ninja Gaiden Sigma and Ridge Racer 7 (the latter also running at 60fps)

[Gaara_724]

do u have anny idea how hard it is to even make a 60 fps game neva mindd 120 im just training to be a games desinger so im not a pro at it but me jordan and fairy (grop 3 in the class) are aiming for 60 fps ad its so hard we can reach it but mainaning it is a night mare i bullet goes of and its down to the 40's its harder than u think hell do u even know how to make a game

[Gam71]

I can't be arsed to look that up so i'll take back the comment about it being the first game on either console to be 1080p and go with you.

I think virtua tennis was the 1080p on 360. Oops to me but I wasn't sure which one was. Still proves doodlebrain wrong that i had to find out which one was 1080p when he says none are.

He's a genius.

[gambare]

just like Halo3?

[ambientFLIER]

Actually, doodle, there are 4 games on the 360 that run in native 1080p.

[DrDreadlox]

Yes doodle, in our extensive catalog of 360 games, we have not 2, not 3, but no less than 4 games that run at 1080p.

Lol @ xbox 360

[ambientFLIER]

How many native 1080p games are there on the pos3?

[Rocko]

No its called LYING, ever heard of it?

[GETPWNT]

lol owned.

[LittleMagnet]

The developers have stated for the last how many months that Haze would be a solid 30 fps. And here we have an article submitted with a title stating, "Haze only plays at 30 frames per second" - as if it were actual news or a bad thing. I wish this site would be a little better at getting real news out there and running useless flame-bait articles like these into the ground.

[Bonsai1214]

lost credibly at most other games play at 60 fps. stopped reading before that actually..

[avacadosnorkel]

all this negativity surrounding Haze has now made me curious to the point that I will get it.

Even though I was going to get it before anyway because I decided long ago that Haze, Killzone 2, and Resistance 2 were going to be the only FPS games I buy this year.

[jackdoe]

@Avacadosnorkel, he was talking about the credibility of the article.

[atomic-radio]

when the players goes past mines drops to high 20's game play was awesome tho!

[jackdoe]

So it drops from 30 to 27. Wow... Jesus christ.

[EZCheez]

And I couldn't care less.

If it plays as good as UT3, then I'll be more than satisfied.

[Agriel]

To be honest I'm finding it hard to think of a FPS that plays at 60fps, the only one that comes to mind is CoD4 and even then I'm not sure about that

[EZCheez]

Anybody know (with some proof to back it up) what FPS actually run at anything more than 30FPS?

[Sevir04]

Famed developer Insomniacs Resistance 2. They have come out and said that their game following Ratchet and Clank:FTOD will all run at 60fps. ^^ and that their engine is fully supports streaming and is completely optimized.

Insomniac Rocks... FPS at that level of smoothness, Cant wait. either way Insomniac is cool i cant wait.

and Haze will be awesome

[princejb134]

30 fps or 60 fps does it really matter for a shooter
gears of war runs at 30 fps i believe( correct me if im wrong) and it was still a great game

[jackdoe]

You are correct. Gears does run at 30fps.

[Fux4Bux]

Why do idiots who don't even understand what FPS really means post stuff like this? 30 fps has been standard for years and running stable it's fantastic. 60 fps is just a luxury that comes at the cost of sacrificing effects.

[Superiorrior]

Instead of showing us gameplay, he shows us the FPS it runs at, come the f*ck on dude.

[Mr Playboy]

I think rockstar table tennis was 1080P Native and 60FPS

edit
sorry

it was Virtua Tennis 3 and NBA Street Homecourt

http://www.gamedeveloper.co...

[doodle]

X360 cant do 1080P native

X360 can upscale some games at that REZ

BUT IT CAN NEVER DO "1080P" NATIVE.

It can do 1080P UPSCALED to some games

[Superiorrior]

Xbox360 can't do native rez, it just upscales.

[Mr Playboy]

Uncharted was 720P and was pretty damn good game

I don't care about resolution, stable framerate is more important to me

[doodle]

X360 cant do 1080P NATIVE . PS3 might have done .

COD4 was touted by WARD to run at 1080p . It was later downgraded to 720P only because of x360 version

BUT X360 simply cant do it because of the lack of bandwidth 22 g/s for both system + video

as for UNCHARTED ----you can upscale it to 1080P on PS3.

However it runs at 720P NATIVE

UNCHARTED makes anything on X360 look like a WIi game and is the BEST LOOKING CONSOLE GAME till date

X360 will never have anything to challenge UNCHARTED in its lifetime

[InYourMom]

Please stop spreading your FUD. You obviously know sh!t about the 360 if you are saying that games like VirtuaTennis are not running at 1080p native and that the 360 isn't capable of that.

Give me a link stating that the 360 can't do native 1080p or that those games listed are not 1080p to back up your uneducated claims.

[Gam71]

Doodle you Doodlebrain he gave you a link (otherwise known as proof, look it up) that proved (that word again, seriously look it up) 360 does 1080p.
Yet you still carry on with your bile "wah wah 360 cant do 1080p" when it can.
cod4 was never 1080p but reduced because of the 360

Proof man proof.
Thats you and your petty hatred for the 360. Are you a sony employee?
Sent to hate on 360 on forums. They have done that before.

Or did a 360 cheat on you once. Seriously what is the reason you would come on this site and make up everything you say to show the world, albeit anonymously how pathetic you are.

[actas123]

360 don't do 1080p. It only upscales to 1080p. But the difference between 1080p and 720p is not noticeable on below 40" HDTV s.

[Superiorrior]

Xbox IS capable of 1080p UPSCALED, UPSCALES doesn't mean native I don't understand how thick headed you Xbot's are, XBOX DOES NOT DO NATIVE 1080p RESOLUTION.

[Gam71]

actas123
Saying a 360 cant do 1080p, it just upscales, when it actually does do 1080p is like saying a scouser gets his money from the dole when he works.

Is a lie which some small doodlebrained people believe.
Dont be a doodlebrain.

[ambientFLIER]

Jeez, you friggin sh|t for brains sony morons, YES 360 CAN DO NATIVE 1080P. Look sh|t up before making retarded comments. NOT UPSCALED, NATIVE.

Please bring proof with you, otherwise STFU.

[Primetimebt]

Do you guy understand the coding that has to go into a game to get run @ native 1080p? More than a 7.5 DVD game can hold. All the games that run in 1080P on the 360 are nothing more than rendered and a good example is COD4 where It's native resolution is 640p. The lack space on DVD can't run a hour and half movie @ 1080P how the hell you think it's going to run @ 8-12 game?

[ambientFLIER]

I don't know what you mean by rendered. Is virtua tennis rendered?

[Salvadore]

Like anybody would have noticed while playing the game... unless you were born with an uber eyesight.

[avacadosnorkel]

Ever since Haze has been confirmed as a PS3 exclusive the web is full of bashing. They should include a Haze bashing mode in the next version of Windows to make it easier for the MS fans to pour hate on the game

[OpiZA]

Yeh so what... tons of games are at a solid 30fps. For a console that's 100% acceptable and certainly more frequent than 60fps.

Running at 60fps often requires lots of visual trickery (more so than usual)... and is often decided against in order to keep the original graphical fidelity rather than compromising.

[Homicide]

I don't care; the only thing I care about is if the game will be good. Halo 3 runs at 30FPS, and nobody seemed to mind.

[avacadosnorkel]

I minded. Halo 3 sucked.

[Time_Is_On_My_Side]

I know what you mean with Halo 3 it seemed like an expansion pack than a full sequel to me. It's just more of the same thing with upgrades I'm guessing the space on the disc (DVD).

How much longer can games be made on DVD before everyone starts moving over to Blu-ray Discs.

[Ri0tSquad]

30fps, 4xAA, 720p
or
30fps, 2xAA, 1080p
or
30fps, 4xAA, 1080p

IMO I think its the last one. I heard the devs confirmed 1080p, from this we know its running at 30fps, and the last picture I seen in-game had really good AA and not to mention the hands on saying it looked great visually and they plan on touching it up some more.

Who knows.

[destroyah]

What do you mean "only"? And how many other console shooters do 60 fps you f*cking moron?

Bioshock? 30 fps. Halo 3? 30 fps. RSV = 30 fps. RSV2 = 30 fps. Etc etc.

COD4 and what else? Not to mention COD4 looks like garbage in close-ups.

[jackdoe]

Resistance 2 will hit 60 fps, Insomniac's engine has progressed to the point where they can hit 60 fps and 1080i no problem, but that is the only other FPS I can think of.

[FunkyBunch]

I may be new here, but I thought articles had to have some semblance of a professionally written article...
What makes it worse, is that it's not even a blog article, it's an actual article on the site.
Further, how do we even know that was Haze? He didn't show enough actual gameplay to even tell it what game it was, let alone enough gameplay to "prove" that it's going at 30 fps.
And there's nothing wrong with 30fps...

[fopums]

30 frames per second is fine with me, as long as they are solid. been waiting a while now Free Radical.....

and this is coming from one of the big Haze hopefullys back in November 07 :(

still finger crossed

[brothersimon]

Wouldn't happen on the 360. :)

[FunkyBunch]

Unless of course you count most of the games on the 360...
There are very FEW games that run at above 30 fps on the console, and most of the "1080" games aren't even 1080...

Heck, it's not even possible to play it on 360, so of course it wouldn't happen.

[brothersimon]

Dont get jelz :(

You're more than welcome to buy a 360 and join us on Live..

you know for a fact if this game was still multi-plat then 360 version would be strongest :D

[avacadosnorkel]

you are poor (you buy every crap game released, every add-on MS makes, and pay for online)

And instead of cutting your losses, you try to tell everybody it's cool because misery loves company.

[doodle]

DMC4/BURNOUT run at 2x the speed on PS3

GTA4 is also better on PS3

join live???

even the units of x360 at PLAY EVENT died within minutes

http://resistance100.wordpr...

Now all the multiplat games also run better on PS3

not to even mention exclusive games like GT5 run at 1080P NATIVE @ 60 fps on PS3

sell that defective crap and buy a PS3

had HAZE been on x360 then it would have run at 640P

[InYourMom]

Hi my name is Doodle and I'm a compulsive liar.

Stop pulling information out of the air man.

[Gam71]

DMC 4 and burnout do not run twice as fast on the ps3. They run at the same speed. If you think they run at twice the speed then proof man, proof.

I have to keep saying that because you provide none.
Wait you did for 1 console that went down but the claim it was all.
You are a bitter sad little girl doodlebrain.

Now how is gta iv better on ps3? the developers have said they are the same? so how is it better? do have pro.. nah you don't.
The only way you could say 1 is better than the other is if one was to have extra content. but I wont go there.

The are the same but you are odd.

Lie down. have cup of warm marmite. chill out and think this over.
If you are nice to people they may stop spitting at you and you will be able to leave you home again. If you haven't developed severe agoraphobia by now.

[FunkyBunch]

Well, I don't like paying for online, I'd rather spend that money and buy another game or 2 or 3.
I don't want a 360 until they stop blowing up, and only if they get some games I want. I bought my PS3 for FF and MGS. I don't want to play Halo...or Halo...or Halo...(or other FPS's)
And I don't like the GTA games.

So I'll stick with my PSWii for now. (Especially since they don't blow up)

[resistance100]

'even the units of x360 at PLAY EVENT died within minutes '

i think that is an a bit OTT, its probally more just unluky that it crashed and came up with the error while i was playing it. I'm just annoyed as it was the only 360 free in the Over 18's section at the time. I will also add it was the only unit i saw with problems on any of the stands over the 2 days i spent there.

[ThaGeNeCySt]

I don't know what's worse... people acting like 30 fps is unacceptable and unplayable or people believing that there's no difference between 30 fps and 60 fps... u gotta be kidding me... 30 fps is good if it's stable.. like GRAW, Gears of War, etc. 60 fps is just flat out better... play COD4, then play Bioshock.. you'll notice the difference immediately.

[Ju]

Play CoD4 and then UT3 and you don't. You'd be surprised what 30fps can do if done right.

[xg-ei8ht]

The reason u notice ingame 30-60fps difference, is because its never quite held at either. Meaning, you get the slightest drop of fps and u notice it.

When u watch a film its a constant fps, pal 25fps. ntsc 29fps i believe.

In cinema's, it runs different because of the size of the screen and padding is used.

But if you be rock solid at 30fps. You would not know either way. But for gameplay it doesn't really matter as long as it's completely stable.

[Neurotoxin]

Removed.

[gEnKiE]

Nothing like bashing a game that isn't finished yet.....

[heyheyhey]

lol, bubbles

[GETPWNT]

But didn't Krazy Ken or Kaz claim the PS3 would run on, not one, but TWO 1080p displays simultaneously at 120 frames a second? Oh wait, you're telling me that was hype? What a let down! I didn't see that one coming.

[gEnKiE]

Now you know why they fired crazy Ken?

[gambare]

like the 30fps @ 640p halo 3?

[JBaby343]

You're right and I think I remember hearing at least one of the MS executives saying that their next-gen console would work for more than 20 mins after firing it up. Oh well just goes to show you that you can't always believe all the PR talk. At least my launch console is working after more than a year. Seriously never died. Never scratched a disk. Never had a disk read error. Never had to send it back. It works.

[avacadosnorkel]

Seems everybody knows everything already

[FirstknighT]

Sure are alot of angry sony fans throwing Halo 3 around in here. Just shows their immense jealousy on the Halo franchise...oh well...

30fps is fine if its locked. The problem arises if it dips into the 20's. Than accuracy and movement are all affected and that is all bad for a fps.

[doodle]

Theres no FR dip in HAZE

RESISTANCE 100 posted his preview and so did PS3 attitude.

HAZE ran at a rock solid FR of 30 fps.

No one is comparing HAZE to HALO3 since HAZE looks better and will run at 720p atleast unlike HALO3 at 640P

The final version would be locked at 30FPS and could even run at 1080P.

This is just one user opinion . However the other previews claim that the game ran at 30 FPS on PLAY's event

[FirstknighT]

Well like I said if it runs at a locked 30fps than it's no problem. But if you scroll up and look at the comments you'll see a ton of comments on Halo 3. Every article that has COD4, Haze, or Killzone 2 and you'll see bashing on Halo 3 by the sony fanboys. That is called FEAR and RESPECT. You'll never find 360 fans in a Halo thread talking about Haze or Killzone 2. LMAO.

Enuff with the jealousy.

[Superiorrior]

If you find ever find biased 360 fans comparing Halo to games that are unreleased, do me a favor and call them stupid. Other wise, Halo did run at 640p with mediocre graphics.

[Ri0tSquad]

Its more like...attack before being attacked. You know what I mean?

[JBaby343]

Yeah right like 360 fans don't jump on KZ2 constantly eventhough it's not even released and bash it. Bad visuals, bad AI, bad gameplay I've heard all of those from "halo fans" and KZ2 isn't even out. Don't give me any crap about "never see halo fans talking about KZ2 or haze" because actually you do. KZ2 gets bashed more than halo because deep down the 360 crowd is full of fear. You guys better keep hoping it's as bad as you want it to be because from what has been shown so far it destroys all.

[DJ]

This was stated a long, long time ago. Like months. I just hope they have motion blur during gameplay, as it adds a lot of visual depth (Motorstorm and Killzone 2 are great examples).

[kalistyles]

You know any developers that have tried to run a game @ 120 fps at that resolution? Didn't think so. So it's not like it's impossible, its just that it hasn't been done yet. With the life cycle of the PS3 I wouldn't be surprised to see it in the future. A lot of statements from these guys are based on future outlooks. I mean it's not like these guys don't know anything about gaming. Sheesh!

[GETPWNT]

OHHHHHHHHHH!!!! Well I'm glad you're here to tell us these things. Cuz I honestly thought it was just your typical Sony hype train derailing. THANKS! :)

[Citizen Cook]

You poor sony chumps!

All that money you peeps spent on PS3rd and your NO.1 game sucks!
Trade your PS3rds, buy 360's, learn what great games are like to play. JUMP IN!

HA HA HA HA!

[achira]

rooooooooooooodddddddddddddddd ddddddddddddd....

[lockload]

Lol that made me laugh :-)

[kingOVsticks]

the 360 doesn't even have a "one of the most anticipated games of 08" other then gears of war 2 wow you really suck hahahaha don't reply back naming off almost awesome games like too human and NG2 or halo wars its a fcking console RTS o.0

[LevDog]

Im still confused why 360 owners are comparing this game to Halo3.. Halo3 takes places on a different planet and has aliens.. This game isnt even close to that.. Ok its a First person shooter big deal.. If you wanna compare .. compare gameplay.. then lets look at Halo3.. 30 FPS and isnt True HD.. ok but if youve played it.. its not slow cause of the 30FPS its slow cause the game feels like walking speed.. there is no run button.. so its a slow placed shooter.. Lets say Haze runs at 30 FPS on its final product.. If the game feels as if your actully running and not feeling like your walkin in waist high water then thats good.. but nobody knows the final product of haze so you can accuratly compare the 2.. Halo3 did sell alot of games.. but off of by Pure name.. it didnt add any new players.. and was consistantly stated as over rated.. Haze is a hyped game and only time will tell if it is over rated.. but it could add new players to ps3.. Since it is a NEW TITLE and has a fresh idea..

[FirstknighT]

Dude you never make any sense but I'm giving you a bubble just cuz of your avatar!

[eagle21]

the 360 only lasts 30 damn days...

[Avto]

so if 30fps os bad most of modern games including Halo 3 and Gears Of War are also bad I always thought this were great games.

[kingOVsticks]

as long as it doesn't dip under 30fps then i don't see the problem

[CaliGamer]

Fun post. I will wait for the final game to judge whether this makes a difference or not as I am sure it will not.
There is not telling the things they are trying to do, CoD4 has been proven to use a lot of visual tricks to achieve it's frame rate, doesn't mean all developers are going to do that.

This story is a bit silly but unlike some, I won't get all upset that it got approved. All in good fun.

[Phil Harrison Mk4]

If someone goes into a shop and picks up a game and it says the game is only in 30fps and doesn't buy it for that reason then there very silly (nice word!i have to use) ;-D really.

[Phil Harrison Mk4]

Same old xBot slaves on this bit again!!! ;-D
GOOOOOOOOOOOO AWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!!!!!!! !!
This is another game(+there will be more in the future)that the cr*pBox360 WON'T EVER SEE!!!
HA! HA! ;-D

[Snufkin]

"I did not mean to make the game sound bad 30 fps is fine with me but when it drops to 20's when explosions happen this is not very good for one of the most anticipated games of 08. The game play was very good as I have not disputed."

The above is an update to the story.

[Phil Harrison Mk4]

...DirtBox360!!! ;-D

[Phil Harrison Mk4]

Didn't Micro$oft say the xBox360 would be this and that???
And all it is is a Red Light for your room!!! ;-D

[Sir Ken Kutaragi 3]

The time has come my faithful PlayStation owners! ;)
It's time to DESTROY this thing called xBox 360?(is it the DreamCast 2???) ;-D
And DESTROY this thing called Micro$oft?
Why do they want to own everything for???
They should stick to making peoples lives a misery when they try to
use 'Windows' day in and day out!!! ;-D
Poor xBox owners are so GULLIBLE!!!
You got DUMPED buying the 1st xBox(Hmm...my PS2 still going strong!)
and now your getting the Red Ring of Death!!!
Why do you lot take this for???
+Why do you slag off PlayStation for no reason for???
Sounds like JEALOUSY to me???
Micro$oft and Bill don't care about you, you know???
Throw your xBox's in the bin and come to the company who KNOW how to do consoles and games.
Just think you could be playing -
MGS4
KillZone2
Resistance2
RE5
HOME
GTA4
GTA5;)
LBP
MotorStorm2
HaZe
+FREE PSN
+many many more stuff;)
It's time to GO NEXT-GEN!!! ;-D
+To all my Loyal fans i hope you enjoyed playing PS1+PS2+PSP and now PS3;)

[Kaz Hirai]

Sony Soldiers- bow down to Emperor Kutaragi!
PIGS- just go away.

MWAH-HA-HA-HA!!!

[The Wood]

till the game gets released before I pass judgement. Talk about 'clutching' by some. I suppose there just isn't enough ps3 fud around like last year.

[boodybandit]

"I thought that this was weird as most other games play around at 60 FPS now."

Other then COD4 how many shooters run at 60 FPS? Gears, Halo, UT3, Rainbow, etc don't run at 60fps. Right there is where this article loses all and any credibility. "Most" games? just look at Madden and NHL from EA and what they did to get their franchise titles to run at 60 FPS. They had to tone them down. Don't going spewing nonsense and trying to pass it off as factual evidence when it's quite the opposite that is reality.

Personally I could take or leave Haze. I will wait until it's released to pass judgement on it for myself. Imagine that? But 60FPS is not the norm in FPS games. I only wish it was.

[JBaby343]

Other than COD4 I didn't know of any other games that cracked out 60fps. It is by no means the norm, yet. The concept of this game with each side having their strengths and weaknesses is still what interests me. As long as the frame-rate is steady I will be satified with 30fps.

[Asurastrike]

Uh oh. People are caught up on numbers instead of looking at the actual gameplay again.

[tomfoolery]

Sony fanboys are most DEFINATELY on Sonys internet trolling payroll(employees)............ ..........or.................. . ............they're a buncha closed minded,stupid,sh1tferbrained, backass,brainwashed, retarded movie buffs.

3o fps is UNACCEPTABLE for the ps3.....in other words,
Sony,Kaz,and Ken are so full of SH1t,and you fanatics still suck on their nipples.
They fed you dweebs the hype train and you fell for it.........
just like they knew you would.........I pity you.

hmmmmmm

tom

PS
Don't give me that rrod bullship either,
my launch system has kicked arse for me since day 1,
Sonyf@gs.

[JVIDICAN]

u know that game u guys play called halo 3?
u know the most overhyped game ever created?
yeah that game runs at 30fps and 640p(its not even high def)
u guys didnt seem to have a problem with that now did u?

[JVIDICAN]

and just because yurs hasnt had the rrod (yet) doesnt mean its a bunch of sh1t
take a look: even the elites get it =P
http://youtube.com/watch?v=...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=...

not trying to be a fanboy just trying to proove its real =P

[Harry190]

here goes your bubble.

[thehitman]

If you care then your jealous and a hater because if you have to look at a number on the bottom of a screen to tell you its at 30fps which is suppose to hint and what? the game isnt running fast enough? then your not a true gamer. I care more about the actual gameplay experience like weapons/mechanics then wether the game runs at 30 or 60fps most games have been running at 30fps I dont see whats so bad about it now.

[zonetrooper5]

Nasim is that you again lol?

I didn't care that Halo 3 was at 640p and I think the graphics for Halo 3 was great, sure not the best I've seen in my life but not crap by any means. If Haze has decent graphics and great gameplay which is fun and balanced then I will be getting it but it doesn't look like it will.

[robbo918]

How does it not show decent graphics and great gameplay? Even the Xbot who posted the story said it had great gameplay. From everything I have read says it has great gameplay and great graphics. The developers even stated 30fps so what's the deal? The game might wind up sucking who knows but so far I will be buying it. How again does it not look like it will?

[solar]

sometimes i poop at 30 Farts Per Second....

[ICUP]

Thank for sharing with us?

[solar]

my comment is as dumb as this doom and gloom news that the game runs at a perfectly acceptable 30 fps. oh no! ::rolleyes::

[JBaby343]

30 FPS is fine as long as it doesn't dip lower. Of course 60 is better but honestly 30 is all I was expecting. Still interested in this game.

[brothersimon]

whats with all these reject american retards posting these dumb comments like above?

failures. just go outside..

[Time_Is_On_My_Side]

For the most part if a game is running 30fps people won't really even notice it. The only way that this can hurt us consumers is if we go online with a lot of lagging. Since the PlayStation 3 uses P2P servers lagging is a lot less and will depend on how good the P2P coding is.

So that's it, when playing a campaign for the most part you won't even care. If you go online and there is latency (lag) then that can be due to the frame rates. With dropping of frame rates isn't bad unless it starts lagging.

[Niclas]

Damn i was afraid og that .. its gonna play similar to Halo3 (which is not a bad thing at all ! :P) .. but i would have apreciated it playing like COD4, cuz the controls r so freakin nice in that game:).. (Cuz its 60FPS) .. its just nicer and smother

EDIT: and true, whats with all the bashing since this game got PS3 exclusive? its so lol to hear ppl that a week ago, said they thought it was cool, but now that its PS3 exclusive, they r like "Isnt anything special, looks boring, blablabla" .. It looks killer, no doubt

[ISA_Scum]

Another hot-shot reporting job done by the gaming media! Way to go guys! Very important for the world to know that Haze only runs in 30FPS. I mean, that automatically makes the game unplayable right?

...what a joke.

[Marcellus Wallace]

I'll take 60 fps with less graphical flair over 30 fps with more flair any day.

60 is god.

[J@D]

nah, I don't mind one bit the 30fps on HaZe at all. I mean if the game support 720p/1080p with 30fps I'm going 2 be happy. But I don't might the locked 30fps on HaZe many shooters and other genres run on 30fps and no one is whining about >_>. On first places what's the point of this discussion anyway about the fps... some peoples need a more social life or a girlfriend but not one offenses with this isn't ^__^

[Mclovin96]

Haze is gonna suck ass anyways.

[ElementX]

I like penis, and I'm buying this game

[ChanDangle]

I'm pretty sure you do.

[poeo]

this has to be the most ridiculous piece of "news" i've read in YEARS.

30fps is almost standard (Gears, Resistance, Uncharted, Halo etc), 60fps games are EXCEPTIONS. There is _nothing_ wrong with 30fps.

[byaaface]

i saw this thing on vision and it said that under normal circumstances people only see at 30 fps!!! any more and it is just a waste!!!! GAHHHHHHH!!!!

[Jeremy Gerard]

Think the reason this is news is because Haze is a PS3 exclusive, and the PS3 is supposed to be all powerful. Without the 360 "holding it back" what is the excuse for Haze not running at 60 FPS?

You clowns pretend like this is no big deal, but you know damn well this is unacceptable, and is a clear sign that both Haze and PS3 are both just a couple of hype bubbles, and they are both going to burst real soon.

[PirateThom]

At least this generic PS3 FPS runs in an HD format at 30fps unlike a certain generic 360 FPS that runs at 30fps in a non-HD format.

[TwissT]

This is totally off topic but interesting news... POG and Mart are the same person this was found out in Resistance100's preview of Haze. If you see closely they have the same IP address. http://n4g.com/ps3/NewsCom-...

[JVIDICAN]

lmao are u serious XD
so the only person thats been agreeing with him is actually himself XD

[Bathyj]

Are you saying POG and Mart are the same jerk?

Dude this is the biggest story this year, you should submit it and lets get his arse kicked out of here. Maybe bashed in real life too if anyone knows where he/she/it is. I'm kidding, I'm kidding, would I do that? ;)

Seriously are POG and Mart the same person/entity?

[ambientFLIER]

How exactly do you see IP addresses on here?

[Bathyj]

Here you go. Best story of the year. That guys opinion carries about as much weight here now as a fart in a paper bag.

http://www.n4g.com/ViewComI...

[Obama]

POG and the MART are the same person? This is funny and sad at the same time XD.

[CallOfWar22]

30 Fps. Pathetic. Mgs4 is also 30fps. Wat a powerful powerful system. Can't wait for u guys to play rest2 n killzone 2 at 30 Fps. Its all good they all mediocre n e ways. Play beyond! Slowly!

[OtisFeelgood]

CallofWar22, do us all a big favor and go drink bleach. kthx.

[jiinn]

How is haze "one of the most anticipated games of 08"?

Haze will sell about 2-400k copies, and is going to get pretty meh reviews. You watch. This game looks totally derivative.

[TrevorPhillips]

30fps cant be that bad i mean whats the worth thing that can happen

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Well that kinda takes away from that "120 fps" that Sony was boasting before launch. How could you ever reach 120fps when most of your games can only do 30fps?

[TrevorPhillips]

why would sony want games to be 120fps when 60fps is already good enough and did u know human eyes can see 30fps

[Strife Lives]

If ths was a 360 game and ran at 30fps, so many people would argue its crap.from what Ive sn in the vids, its nt impressive enough for it to run at 30fps, it really LOOKS like it SHOULD be running at 60 with no problem.what gives? Guess 2008, the only guarenteed fps on ps3 ths year is Resistance 2. , and whch idiot said u wnt notice the difference between 60fps and 30fps? Hav u sn the game speeds between Colin Mcrae Rally and Forza 2 last year? Even in forza,it runs at 60,bt when u crash,every nw and the the fps dips.by a few frames.yet dammit,it so noticable its annoying.hate to see what happns if Haze isnt a solid 30. The vids fl like their gna ship it,and it'l fl like an unfinishd game

[u got owned]

Only 30 fps, wow crappy game. That all the almighty PS3 can do. LAME!!!!!!

[media73]

No difference? play cod4 then frontlines and tell me you dont see a difference.

[Bathyj]

UGH!

I knew this thread would be full of bots thinking they've found some ammo. Why did I come in here?

2 points.

1. Just about all your favourite shooters with the exception of CoD4 run at 30fps, and in Halo's and Mass Effect's case, not even that. They wish they were 30fps. In fact, Resistance is only 30fps but is probably the smoothest shooter you can get on a console. 30fps is fine when its smooth. Hey I like Halo and Gears too, but don't tell me they're smooth.

2. You Bots can't get this game anyway so don't worry about it. If it runs like crap, its the sole problem of PS3 owners so you can sleep tight knowing you never had to play it.

[Rama26285]

Yeah this game runs at 30fps and never drops below 29fps and doesn't go over 32fps (apart from loading screens which are 120fps). I was watching people play the game for like 20 minutes and played around 10 minutes myself with that information on the screen telling you the frames per second.

[techie]

Mass Effect 30fps
Uncharted 30fps
Bioshock 30fps
Halo 3 30fps

WTF is up with this sh'te article!?

And we knew Haze was 30fps.

It would be a story if Haze was "only 10fps"

[Rocko]

Why is it that the device touted as the ultimate HD-machine lacks the simple function of upscaling? It upscales PS2 games and movies but not games. I just watched Hitman today and it looked great, yet I can't play Motorstorm or COD 3. Why? Because the PS3 has no internal scaling chip. Thats pretty f**king bogus. Seeing as how my 360 can upscale all my games, so I need not worry when buying 360 games. But when I want to get a PS3 game I have to check too see if my tv's resolution is supported.

[LinuxGuru]

This means you should get a TV that supports 720p.

And that's pretty much......every TV ever made in the past 4 years or so.

There's a dedicated scaling chip in the 360, there isn't in the PS3.

It's a hardware issue.

The PS3 would have to perform scaling with the cell processor in real-time, while the 360 just uses its scaling chip.

Get a new TV like the rest of the world, and move on.

Your projection TV is old and crappy and shouldn't be used with videogames anyways; get an LCD or Plasma...and move on.

Also, people...never was 120fps PROMISED by anyone.

It was set as a goal, and something that is hopefully going to be achieved.

I DARE you to tell me or find an article that has proof of ANYONE saying that they PROMISE the PS3 will run games at 120fps.

Nowhere ANYWHERE does ANYONE say they promised ANYTHING in regards to games @ 120fps.

Ken Kutagari actually said, and I quote, "when new technology comes to market, we hope to have the PS3 ready to take advantage of it."

When TVs are available at a mass market level, that support 120Hz refresh rates, then he will push for 120fps gaming...not until then.

And even so....he said he HOPES (KEY WORD HERE, PEOPLE) to have the PS3 ready.

That's not a promise to anyone in any way, people.

Stop complaining and saying you were lied to.

You weren't.

[sleepbox]

30 FPS is very playable so long as it never drops below that level.

[pornflakes]

Please stop mention halo.. we all know the game wasnt that good in terms of graphics..

we know the 360 and the RRoD 0 bad hardware, right?

But we talk about the PS3.. with the best hardware on the world for 10 years and just 30 FPS? haha....

[Bill Gates]

Hey could one of you BABOONS tell me how many FPS Halo 3 plays at? Thanks........AAAHAHHAHHAHAHAA

This is nothing but propaganda brought to you by non other than M$.

[Sargerus]

30fps = Halo 3

[iiprotocolii]

The game's not even out yet and people are saying it already sucks. Let the game have a release before judgment, for Christ's sake. If the game sucks when it comes out, then it sucks; if the game is good, then it's good.

And enough with the comparisons to Halo 3 and all these other FPS's. I own all consoles, and as a GAMER, what I look for in a game is the diversity that a game brings to the table along with a solid storyline. I could care less if it ran at 30FPS. As long as it runs good, looks good, and is good, I don't care for the 60FPS.

[THE_JUDGE]

deal. If it solid, we're golden. Move on!

[SKullDugger]

makes a diffrence look @ Madden o8 on the PS3 30fps animations very jerky and on the 360 60fps animations very smooth why are developers having so much trouble with the PS3 it makes no sense.

[PirateThom]

Why do BioShock, Mass Effect and Halo 3 run at 30fps?

Why are developers having so much trouble with XBox 360?

[Raider69]

if it rock solid 30frames thats good to me !!!i played halo 3 and most of the time it was bellow 30frames!!talking about haze,every body is forgeting that killzone2 is going to run at 30frames also!so if you guys dont like the stuff,dont buy it!

[SKullDugger]

Grow up fanboy I'm not dogging the PS3 I'm just saying some developers are having trouble with the PS3 its a good system I was talking about the developers think before you speak fool.

[Cynical-Gamerzus]

At 30 FPS 720p rock solid frame rate!
I'm happy give me streaming lush visuals and a rock solid frame rate and this game has potential to be the Halo killer.
Hope it turns out well.

[pixelsword]

...and that ran very smooth with only slight dips when something ridiculous happened onscreen (8+ crashes with tens of thousands of parts flying around)

1.You have no proof that the framerate dropped to the 20's other than when it dropped to 29 according to the clip *you* provided, which isn't a problem at all.

2. The source you provided said it ran smooth, contradicting your update.

[Lex Luthor]

Meh. This game looks like a rental at best.

[lib9]

"Haze Plays at 30 Frame Per Second as Promised !"

to

"Haze only plays at 30 frames per second"

Aren't you supposed to stick to the title of the original article?

[tk]

But in the end we will have to see the game and play it firsthand to know if this is an issue. More effects will mean lower framerate. But until it is released... speculate on...

[LinuxGuru]

To all of you who are b|tching about Sony "promising" 120fps...

They said they "EXPECT" it to be "CAPABLE", "POSSIBLE"....and they "HOPE" to achieve that.

Anyone need a grammar lesson to know what those words mean in comparison to "promise" ????

PM me if you want to know. Oh and here's the article quoting those phrases, that was given by someone up there claiming the word PROMISE was used.

http://www.gamespot.com/new...