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Why The Next Xbox’s Always On Feature Is No Big Deal

Joseph at Skewed and Reviewed has posted an opinion piece on why he believes the reported yet controversial always on aspect of the new Xbox system is not that big a deal. Joseph looks at comments made about the controversial feature and has several opinions of his own regarding the controversy.

wishingW3L4021d ago

in a nutshell: author say that is not big deal because it hasn't been announced yet by MS. What a waste of time was reading this pointless piece....

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SHORYUKEN4020d ago (Edited 4020d ago )

Microsoft Will say it like this at E3.

It's not so much big deal. It's a little tiny deal.

Please fanboys don't overreact.

Just #dealwithit it's #litletinydeal and #getoverit

We stil got kinekt

/s

ichimaru4020d ago

? why would any say that the night the reveal their console to the world and investors

Maddens Raiders4020d ago

I know bad press and bad rumours can be overcome, I witnessed with my own eyes the PS3 thrown overboard and left for dead at the bottom of the ocean '05 to '08, only to wake up and roar out of said ocean like Godzilla on a revenge tour, murder romp. With that said, there's no doubt that it took a lot of hard work, kick ass exclusives, and perks like ps+, blu ray, and luck to turn that DOA definition completely around for old uncle Sony.

I wonder if someone/ anyone at MS's gaming division can see and sense these parallels and have something up their sleeve to counter it all? I wonder how many Joe Shmoe's in the street have heard these half baked things and turned away from the nextbox already, and have spread more wild speculation to go along with it?

I guess what I'm in disbelief over at this point, is how incredibly LONG it is taking MS to counter this bad press if it isn't true. I mean E3 is still a long way away and then it's time to get into the fall/ holiday mindset of things right after. It's all a bit weird.

Samsung Galaxy SIII

stuna14020d ago

That's the though! Sony fought tooth and nail to claw their way from the gaping maw of defeat! Even now they are suffering some major setbacks.

If it wasn't for their steady commitment to the core gamer, most would have jumped ship! This is why so many people who said they wouldn't dare buy a PS3 have, because they see the commitment.

On the other hand it is also a trait that Microsoft is sorely lacking! Most can see with their own two eyes that Microsoft will go where their is money to be made! Not a dig, just a plain and simple truth. I'm not faulting them for that flaw, its just at some point they need to realise that they have a host of loyal and supportive customers that they need to cater too first and foremost, then attend to other option secondary.

MikeMyers4020d ago

The author never really addressed anything.

"I am not saying “deal with it” like Orth did. I am just saying that people may be overreacting without being a little reasonable. People cite issues like those seen with Diablo III and SimCity, but then they forget about all of the shining examples of where it works. World of Warcraft, Everquest, Star Wars: The Old Republic and any other MMO you can think of. Yes, they have server issues every now and then, and they only focus on one game, but they are massive games and can’t be overlooked."

Those games are MMO games, they make sense to always be online. Why do games that are single player require an online connection? What benefit does it have other than to automatically sync. your Achievements and keep your friends connected outside of your game? If I want to I can watch a movie on my computer and stay connected and get alerts if I choose but it should be my choice.

I think the biggest worry is DRM and how it will likely block used games. When Microsoft (and other console suppliers) have shown that digital isn't any cheaper why would the consumer want to adopt this? People spend good money on their games. Are all games good? Do all games hold value after they are completed?

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MikeMyers4020d ago

I doubt they are laughing because the PS4 is getting the press, the new Xbox isn't aside from rumors. So anytime a next gen. game is mentioned they ignore the new Xbox because they are not allowed to say anything just yet.

In the end it probably won't matter too much but right now the PS4 is getting better press.

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GalacticEmpire4021d ago (Edited 4021d ago )

It IS a big deal to people with spotty or slow internet.

It IS a big deal to people who play in areas without internet i.e. soldiers overseas.

It IS a big deal to gamers who DO have great internet but don't want to be reliant on the console manufacturers or publishers servers to be able to play their own games.

IT IS A BIG DEAL.

@logicwins

If these millions of people decide to buy a PS4 instead of an Xbox 3 then that's kind of a big deal.

LOGICWINS4021d ago

Its not a big deal for the simple fact that these people have the option of buying other consoles.

DigitalRaptor4021d ago (Edited 4021d ago )

No. It is a big deal if consumers bend over for this as it reflects badly on the industry and paves the way for more anti-consumer practices from other companies.

It's also a big deal if you like MS exclusives and can't support them because you have the self-respect to say no to Microsoft's anti-consumer decisions.

Indifference concerning issues that affect us consumers is worse than the companies themselves for doing what they already do.

LOGICWINS4020d ago (Edited 4020d ago )

"If these millions of people decide to buy a PS4 instead of an Xbox 3 then that's kind of a big deal."

Thats a big assumption right there. Why do you assume that the PS4 would be the only alternative to someone not buying the 720? How do you know people won't go the Wii U route, the PC route, or the handheld route?

What about the majority of console owners who will simply say "screw you" to next gen consoles and stick with their current gen consoles?

As I said, your making assumptions.

"No. It is a big deal if consumers bend over for this as it reflects badly on the industry and paves the way for more anti-consumer practices from other companies"

Another assumption. Just because one company is successful at employing anti-consumer practices doesn't mean the competition will follow suit. Paid XBL subs proved successful to Microsoft for years with the original Xbox. Did Sony follow suit with the PS3? No, they didn't

"It's also a big deal if you like MS exclusives and can't support them because you have the self-respect to say no to Microsoft's anti-consumer decisions."

Not my problem. I don't care about MS exclusives.

GalacticEmpire4020d ago (Edited 4020d ago )

@LOGIC Not an assumption, an example.

"What about the majority of console owners who will simply say "screw you" to next gen consoles and stick with their current gen consoles?"

Er... weren't you the one who said "...people have the option of buying other consoles."

So I guess I was following your very own assumption there, again PS4 was just an example, which being the main competitor of Xbox 3, I thought was most appropriate.

Anyway that's all beside the point which is that it WOULD be a big deal.

Yay, I managed to reply without mentioning the use of 'your' instead of 'you're'...

DAMMIT.

TheSaint4020d ago

Logic does win, which means you rarely do.

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maniacmayhem4020d ago

It is NOT a big deal if the system still allows you to play games offline as the most recent rumors suggest.

zerocrossing4020d ago

My internet is usually OK but it was down for about 3 hours the other day, so yeah not really liking this "always online" thing.

GreenRanger4021d ago (Edited 4021d ago )

I was just discussing this with my dog and he seems to think that it is a big deal.
We don't usually see eye to eye but this time i really can't argue with him.

TheFallenAngel4020d ago

Lets say I'm broke and I only have money to pay my core bills (light, food, water and rent/mortgage) and they cut off my internet. What am I going to play if my cable is cut off and I cant play because I need an internet connection? this is not just outside the US, I been broke before where I'm only to pay the bills I just listed.

FantasyStar4020d ago (Edited 4020d ago )

Honestly man; If you're in THAT kind of situation: you have bigger problems to deal with than just being unable to play your games. You can't control your internet's reliability (which is the point of the article), but you can control spending habits.

TheFallenAngel4020d ago

Have you realized how much rent, light and food prizes have gone up? I don't know if you live with your parents and most people here does but some of us have families and bills but we love gaming. Now a days you gotta have a job where you are making over $3k a month to have a decent living. It's not just on controlling spending habits because you can't control your core bills. Like I said I love gaming and I always have and always will.

gigoran4020d ago

Right. When the system is offline in the near future and all the games you purchased stop working, it's no big deal. #itsnobigdeal

CommonSenseGamer4020d ago

No, that is no big deal. $hit happens sometimes so get use to it. When Sony's PSN was down for over a month in 2011 the world didn't end, just a handful of those that would rather sit on their a$$ all day than do something more constructive found themselves at a loss and vented their frustration on the internet.

Gaming is not the be all and end all when it comes to having fun.

saint_seya4020d ago (Edited 4020d ago )

Your name is so wrong.. common sense.. Do u realize that when psn was down, the people that had ps3 games still was able to play their games offline, they were in a silver status, i mean they were able to play the offline part of the games, w/o multiplayer part.

Now, if u think something like this happens to ms, people will be a month without playing their games, online/offline, so ITS A BIG DEAL.

Then again, this are all rumors, and i dont think ms will allow this, i think ms is smart enough to see that people will hate it.

CommonSenseGamer4020d ago (Edited 4020d ago )

Well, I mainly game on-line so it was annoying but not the end of the world when PSN went down. I simply found other things to do. Thing is, I actually found I spend less time gaming since the great PSN outage of 2011. There asre simply better things to spend your time on. Sure I still game but I game less and if the service is down, I simply do something else. Its nothing to get up in arms about.

People need to put gaming into perspective. That too me makes more sense, common sense even.

TheSaint4020d ago

You could still play single player games when PSN went down, which is the entire point.

Which makes your point invalid.

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv7218h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle5h ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic18812h ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio2h ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Cacabunga5h ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

shinoff21834h ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga3h ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

purple1017h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos7h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

XBManiac6h ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad6h ago(Edited 6h ago)

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple1016h ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos5h ago(Edited 5h ago)

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic4h ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere1d 15h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN1d 12h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos1d 10h ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

GamerRN1d 3h ago

They can form a company if they want, they are just as jobless as if "Microsoft had left them as 3rd party".

peppeaccardo1d 4h ago

"MIcrosoft leaves Bethesda do what they know how to do best" ... close! Oh the irony ....
(Citation from a week old article)

ChasterMies1d ago

I think Microsoft and other game publishers are letting people go because they think ai will replace them. Doesn’t matter how much profit they make. They were always going to be let go.

PassNextquestion1d 14h ago (Edited 1d 14h ago )

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger1d 12h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Mr Logic22h ago

What a stupid thing to say. The elites give 0 fucks what we say on an obscure website in the comments section.

Crows9022h ago

You can always reach out and give them jobs at your company man. Don't wait

Profchaos1d 14h ago (Edited 1d 14h ago )

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto1d 14h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos1d 14h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long1d 11h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel1d 13h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos1d 11h ago (Edited 1d 11h ago )

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator1d 12h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple10112d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref12d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde12d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander197212d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville12d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff218311d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos11d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai12d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref12d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan12d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis00711d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander197212d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref12d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde12d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander197212d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier11d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto12d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff218311d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto11d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman12d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts12d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts11d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic11d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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