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PS4 has no performance bottlenecks, claims Killzone developer

The PlayStation 4 has been so carefully designed that developers won't find a performance bottleneck, Michiel Van Der Leeuw, technical director at Guerrilla Games, has told Edge.

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MariaHelFutura4450d ago

I just want to add still NO developer has said anything negative about the PS4, Sony owned or not. Crazy, considering what some of them had to say about the PS3.

nix4450d ago

i know.. sooner or later a PC addict might come and start babbling "we already are playing in such graphics".

all i wanna say is - i want PS4 because of the exclusives games. since PS4 is more powerful than PS3, i want to play GOW in super graphics. i want to play Killzone in super graphics. i want to play other great PS exclusives in super graphics.

if i wanted to play any third party game, i would have upgraded my PC.

thank you.

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DA_SHREDDER4450d ago

Im just happy about the extra gigs of RAM. Now instead of only 3 Operations maps, we should at least get 10 or 12 at launch, with customizable guns and upgrades to skills, ect, ect,,

nveenio4450d ago

No bottlenecks is huge. That would mean that all of the power is accessible. That's a tremendous advantage, if true. With PCs, there is almost always a bottleneck (unless you have an uber-rig). Whether it's RAM speed, CPU, GPU, whatever. If the PS4 is designed so that no individual part limits the others, then the system is wide open for awesome.

I can't wait to see what Sony brings us.

Peppino74450d ago

The problem now lies in the fact that if a game under preforms then its obviously the devs fault. They might actually be backing themselves into a corner.

Why o why4450d ago

Nix. spot on, its been those exclusives that have slowed my pc gaming down. There are no doubtably great games on the pc but im happier with the consoles in most genres. I'm still a huge point and click adventure gamer though. The lucas arts closure was saddening for me even though they'd done nothing for the genre of late. I had to dig up some old games. Sad

sengoku4450d ago

no bottlenecks is crazy designing.
they would be the first to actually pull something like this off..

kevnb4450d ago (Edited 4450d ago )

actually some have. Crytek is the first one to come to mind. @Nix whats the point of bringing that up. PC gamers like pc exclusives too, why bring that up?

NewMonday4450d ago (Edited 4450d ago )

"It was a very conscious effort to make sure that – with the speed of the memory, the amount of compute units, the speed of the hard drive – there would not be any bottlenecks...there was just discussion after discussion trying to find a bottleneck. Take a look at this design; try to find the bottleneck."

smart of them, the PS4 should be more than the sum of it's parts.

sikbeta4450d ago

For now, of course, lets see in a couple of years, at least we all know it's not going to be like the PS3 in the sense of that it'd be able to catch up with anything "new" as in apps and stuff like that...

LocutusEstBorg4450d ago (Edited 4450d ago )

You mean the lower-mid range GPU that can't even run 1080p 60fps even now? Battlefield 4 isn't running at 1080p 60fps. The GPU is already a bottleneck.

Computersaysno4449d ago (Edited 4449d ago )

Why even bring up PC?

A good PC will still be easily faster than PS4 on multiplatform games despite there being claims of 'no bottlenecks' from a Sony dev whose goal is also to hype the machine. Would it cost more initially? Probably. Would it be faster? Don't believe anyone who says one wouldn't.

PS4 exclusive games are what matters most.

But it makes me sigh when I hear people say 'I just want Killzone and God of War with more uber graphics'

Really?

Don't you think there should be more innovative and fresher things to hope for than the exact same games we have been playing for ages now just with better visuals?

I hope for more.

papashango4449d ago

I'm more impressed that there are people here that truly believe in no hardware bottlenecks....

it's up there with unicorns crapping rainbows in madison square garden.

That ps4 koolaid seems to throw logic out the window

nveenio4449d ago

"No bottlenecks" is not equal to "no performance limitations". It is easy to realize that the PS4 won't be held back by drive performance, memory, CPU, and GPU. It is easy to realize that the entire platform is open to be used to its max specifications.

This doesn't mean it's invincible...just that the available performance is, indeed, available.

3-4-54449d ago (Edited 4449d ago )

This is what happens when you listen to people though and then make changes based on those things you listened to.

Instead of giving us just enough to make us happy they are giving us everything we've wanted in a console.

It sells itself really where as Microsoft is going to have to sell the 720 because of all the extra BS that comes attached with it.

cyclindk4449d ago

Yeah, talk about learning from your mistakes and taking constructive criticism to heart.

Kudos Sony.

Tr10wn4449d ago (Edited 4449d ago )

@nix

Sad truth is that the PS4 is still not doing 60 FPS at 1080p and yes there are games that look the same or better on PC and can do 1080p@60fps, how come Killzone is running at 30 FPS? i mean i used to play BFBC2 at 30 FPS it was horrible, they are either lying or terrible developers if they can't make the game run at 60 FPS with those specs.

I know i will get a bazillion of disagree for saying that but is the truth, ill probably end up buying the PS4 but that doesn't avoid the fact the "Next Gen" Consoles can't do 1080p@60FPS yet it just wrong especially for a First person shooter.

@KurianOfBorg

Where did you get that info? BF4 trailer was running 3k@60fps with 2 7990 and that was confirm by AMD and DICE, 3k is a lot to take on, so idk where you are getting this info since BF4 was shown with AMD hardware only and a ridiculous resolution.

http://m.computerandvideoga...
http://www.anandtech.com/sh...

potenquatro4449d ago

@papashango. That was hilarious.. Is good that Sony is taking a well grounded aproach for the ps4 tho

cj1pate1014449d ago

The fact the ps4 wont be running 60 fps games at launch? Ehh kinda sad don't you think? Fan boys can't live with or without them?

SonyPS3604449d ago

@nix there are plenty of exclusives titles on the PC as well. Just saying.

LocutusEstBorg4449d ago

@Tr10wn Um...Thats the PC version of BF4 running on a 7990. The PS4 version still runs at 720p.

andibandit4449d ago

Not to rain on your parade, but developers usually say these things after their product failed. Makes no sense to go out 6 months before release of PS4 and their product, and say "This sucks"........

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Crazyglues4450d ago (Edited 4450d ago )

-And so it' begins... E3 I think will be were we will get to see just how good PS4 will be..

I think a lot of games that were not ready for the press show - will be showing what they are working on at E3 -

So we should get a really good look at just what the PS4 will be able to do...

I think it's safe to say if your not at E3 with your PS4 game then it's likely your title is not coming out no were near the launch of PS4, -because anything coming out around launch would be far enough along to show something at E3

So E3 this year is probably going to be one hell of a showing... Can't wait.

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Saleem1014450d ago

Sony games been ready for over a year its called saving amunition for e3..

Cryptcuzz4449d ago

I am seriously thinking of going as well.

Does anyone know if the press conferences would be opened to the public?

I want to be there when they unveil more info on the PS4; how it looks like and its games.

Thinking of taking a road trip from the Silicon Valley down to E3, that would be sweet if possible for the public.

TheXonySbox4450d ago

yawn, bottleneck is being stuck with old and outdated hardware from the getgo. Thus holding back technology in gaming for half a decade; if not more.

Thats the bottleneck with all consoles.

MariaHelFutura4450d ago (Edited 4450d ago )

PC gamers being theives held back PC gaming, not consoles. Why would anyone invest highly in something people are just gonna steal?

hesido4450d ago (Edited 4450d ago )

Consoles will always produce better visuals per transistor, and thanks to consoles, developers can target a static hardware and can optimize their routines to death. So for gaming, instead of sheer power that nobody can use to full extent because of many PC's with gazillion different setups, you have a set piece of hardware that you can extract every ounce.

I don't see anything wrong with that.

Edit: Here's Unity statistics- Take a look at PC's with 4 cores->%23. Rest is dual core (negligible amount with more than 4 cores). Windows XP is still very popular. No Direct X 10 on XP! How about that for holding back technology?

Anybody who blames consoles for holding gaming back is not able to see the picture clearly, that picture tells us how great segmentation the PC hardware setups have.

Cam9774450d ago

Gaming would be nothing if it weren't for consoles. Millions more own a console than PC and that itself motivates devs to produce games as they do. If there were no consoles then you wouldn't see half of the great games that you see today.
You should be grateful.

shutUpAndTakeMyMoney4449d ago (Edited 4449d ago )

@MariaHelFutura
"EA is making more from PC than PS3"

"Xbox 360 led the pack, bringing EA $292 million in the past three months. That compared favorably to the PS3 which did $267 million for the firm. But the PC platform actually managed to outperform Sony's console with $276 million."

Links:
http://www.computerandvideo...
http://www.examiner.com/art...
http://www.pcgamer.com/2012...

what say u now?

Tell GG and thief devs to get their games over 30fps in 2013 - 2014 please.

also I am getting ps4 so I am not a hater just spitting facts.

Can't wait to see how ps4 holds against ddr4 ram and gddr6 next year! Should be interesting.

I think that is ps5 tech?
http://computerstories.net/...

Computersaysno4449d ago (Edited 4449d ago )

Hesido, unity stats is a stupid slanted way to look at games hardware. Unity is designed for just in browser games etc, casual stuff not really core games.

At least look at the hardware surveys of something like Steam, which is a app that PC gamers use a lot, instead of some niche software most PC gamers I know don't even have installed.

Steam users on Windows Vista (DX11 capable OS) or higher: 89 percent!!

Number of 4 or more core machines: 42 percent. The fact that the 8 core (tiny tablet cores versus huge desktop cores) in PS4 is no faster than a decent desktop dual core seemingly escapes you.

And as for MariaHelFutura talking about PC gamers being thieves, I shake my head when you see again the number of genuine users on steam who buy and play their games. Don't shove everyone into the same pigeon hole.

Finally "Gaming would be nothing if it weren't for consoles"

This is a joke right?

You do realise that games were first made on computers and personal computers? It was decades after this before anything resembling a dedicated games console arrived.

You do realise that most everything from the USB and Ethernet ports on a modern console, up to the hard drive, the processor technology, the memory, the wireless technologies i.e virtually EVERYTHING inside the machine was developed for PC or PC gamers??? Let alone the internet connected networks (what do you think the PSN or XBL servers are? Consoles? LOL) and protocols, the video streaming codecs the audio codecs and hardware...I could go on and on...lol

Do you even realise how PC gamer demand pushes forward graphics processing technology at a rate consoles alone wouldn't possibly sustain?

Obviously not.

You take away PC from games consoles and you would still be playing ball in a cup instead of waiting for a games console (PS4) that everyone admits is basically just a modest fixed platform PC!

Sigh.

GraveLord4449d ago

Here's a question I hope you answer. PM me if you have to.

Would you buy a $1000 PS4 that gets so hot it needs tons of cooling which results in it being extremely loud........

...or would you buy a $400 PS4 that is low-power and high performance, whisper quiet and games look the same as most $1000 PCs?

TheXonySbox4449d ago (Edited 4449d ago )

sounds like N4G. Only the few, the minority actually know what they are talking about on N4G. The rest are patriotic fanboys blinded with bias.

End of the day, PC gaming is always pushing limits for exclusives not ports; Graphically I mean.

Where you have consoles that basically hold back the industry graphically, because they make the game for the consoles, then port to smaller markets (IE PC). Consoles are bad for technology advancement because of the gen to gen stagnation in graphics.

This is simple logic, really doesnt take much thinking to realize this after four gens of consoles. /get real people.

A $650 dollar console when its released is actually a ripoff considering what kind of PC that can build you.

Consoles = for the poor
PC = for the quality minded gamer

Rhaigun4449d ago

@ Computersaysno, while I agree with most of what you said, the fact is games are driven by consoles. Yes, it all started on PC, but you're not going to see many games that won't run on consoles. Most devs can't afford to ignore them. Its why most people only buy a GTX 660 or HD 7850. Due to console limitations you know these cards will run just about everything coming out right now.

geassdanny4449d ago

I am sorry, but you really sound butthurt! The only reason why pc gaming is being held back when it comes to 3rd party games is because the devs don't fully optimise the pc versions. It's upto to them if they want to push the graphical fidelity for or fully port games properly for PC versions.

Most of the time they tend to focus on the consoles, because its more profitable( less pirating) and a bigger install base. PC exclusives are an exception, but then again the last time I was excited for a pc exclusive was a long time ago.

Recently with Bioshock Infinite, the developers catered towards both markets, and yes the PC version is sublime compared to the console versions, but none the less, both markets loved the game. So credit the developers for actually thinking about console and PC gamers in mind. So if you have a problem with a shitty PC port blame the devs for THEIR failure to fully optimize the game not the consoles hardware holding back your pc superiority complex!

Computersaysno4449d ago (Edited 4449d ago )

Sorry Raigun but it doesn't remove the fact that PC gaming would exist pretty much as we know it now without consoles existing but the reverse is just impossible.

Console and console gaming owes virtually everything to PC and not vice versa.

PC gaming is the one pushing the technology and the boundaries and even game play with indie titles that genuinely advance the art.

Consoles are for the mass market. They are designed to be cheaper for all the sheep to go out and buy all their FPS games or whatever is popular at the time and the million clones of the original ideas while all the technological and game play revolutions you see are virtually all pioneered on PC titles.

Can you not even see the hilarity of the situation where PC basically created the FPS genre that dominates console games these days. Call of duty and battlefield are PC games originally!

Bioshock the developer started this sort of game back on PC with the likes of system shock. The idea of FPS or action games introducing RPG style elements came about in such PC games as system shock and deus ex.

Most of the successful original ideas this gen like portal or Trials HD or minecraft came about from.... Yes. You know the answer.

It is laughable for anyone to say consoles push the industry and move it on when they have done nothing of the sort relative to what PC has done in terms of hardware or software!

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1OddWorld4449d ago

Yes it did. I will now devote my pc to its true cause the search of pron. No more Wow for me.

The PS4 will be at the center of my gaming universe. I will take the $15 a month I was feeding my wow subscription and now feed Playstation plus with $10 to spare for purchasing a few must have downloadable's from the past selection of games over Gaikai.

Dark_Eternal4449d ago (Edited 4449d ago )

@DA_SHREDDER
I might be misunderstanding what you're saying, but unless those 'operations maps' are all loaded into RAM at the same time, I don't think that the increased amount of RAM would affect a PS4 Killzone in the way you're imagining (though you would be able to have much bigger maps). Increased customisation and complexity, sure; since the RAM is where the CPU and GPU keep their working data set, one of the main benefits of the massively increased system RAM is that it'll be possible to run games that are way more complicated in terms of the worlds they're simulating and stuff like that.

Hopefully devs will come up will all kinds of cool new ideas! It's definitely an exciting time. :)

showtimefolks4449d ago

that's great that should be one of the major improvements for ps4 and next xbox

can't wait to see what devs can do with newer systems, now it may be few years before we see real potential

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Walker4450d ago

Can't wait for this freaking console !

MariaHelFutura4450d ago

The Pointer Sisters sum my feelings quite well. "I'm so excited and I just can't hide it, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know I want you, I want you"

BanBrother4450d ago

@Maria

Dude, I'm going to sleep soon, and now that song is totally stuck in my head. I want a refund ;(

MariaHelFutura4450d ago

^^^

Sony should use it for Ps4 commercials, it would be great Imo.

Skips4450d ago

Can't wait for what they (And Sony's other devs) come up with after they COMPLETELY MASTER the PS4!

TemplarDante4450d ago (Edited 4450d ago )

"Claims Kilzone developer"...
Its not a claim, its a fact!
Says all devs, not just 1st party.
Thanks to Mark Cernys vision of unified
GDDR5 ram @ 176GB/S :)

fOrlOnhOpe574450d ago

When GG makes statements like that, I get goose bumps lol

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15 Last-Gen Games That Still Compete with Current-Gen Graphics

GB: "Say what you will about the state of the industry, but even as games evolve, their graphics remain a key aspect. Even some of the biggest flops this year sport some gorgeous visuals, as publishers and developers push the boundaries of what’s possible, pouring years of time and money into their work."

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darthv72226d ago

Quantum Break and Ryse are two that I was really surprised did not get an FPS boost option when played on the Series X|S. when i started playing both on the XBO, I thought they are both good, but after playing them also on my steam deck (in 60fps) I just cant go back and play the base games on XB. They really benefit from that faster frame rate.

Driveclub is another i wished had a HFR mode on PS5.

MatrixxGT226d ago

Most games this gen are the exact same except now we get faster loading through SSD and a res and fps bump. Graphically not much has improved, hell most last gen games are being relabeled and resold as “remastered” with the aforementioned updates.
I haven’t seen or played anything on either platform that couldn’t be run on last gen. Guess the law of diminishing returns is really showing itself these days.

127maXimus226d ago

Most games from 20 years ago are basically the same as today, with resolution and fps upgrades. The AI is still just as braindead as it always has been, worlds are full of static, boring characters that do the same thing over and over.

Demetrius226d ago

Smh another reason why graphics haven't improved that much is because most devs too caught up on cross gen. Ps4 was/still a dope console but time has moved on we're halfway close to a ps6 reveal and devs still will be making games on last gen in 2025. Then theres Microsoft purposely got the Xbox series s that causes more devs to try to pull strings as much as they can smh. It's a mixed bag of stuff, the only ones I see pushing hardware is sonys studios and even some indie games look better

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Why Guerrilla Games Shouldn't Abandon the Killzone Series

Hugely disappointingly, it seems that Guerrilla Games, developers of the Killzone and Horizon series, may be done with Killzone for good.

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IAMRealHooman233d ago

1 was fine, overhyped as a " halo" killer
2 was a graphical beast at the time, and felt heavy
3 was good a refinement of 2 but not much else. weird audio issues environment were to quiet
shadow fall was pretty but bland

OtterX233d ago (Edited 233d ago )

Shadowfall had great Multiplayer though. Too bad the campaign was meh at best. It did have the occasional great moment sprinkled in.

TheNamelessOne233d ago (Edited 233d ago )

I played through 2/3 multiple times. I played through the original once, but it felt pretty lukewarm for me. I couldn't be bothered to beat Shadow Fall. I got a couple hours in and just went "I'm done". Never touched it again. It was awesome on the tech side, being a launch title, but it didn't even match up to the first game when it came to actually having fun playing it.

Rude-ro233d ago

3 in 3d was an amazing experience to be had.
Although not many experienced it as intended for good reasons.

just_looken233d ago

You forgot the ai advancements on the playstation 2 killzone one you could have a full team of bots doing everything even playing the objective that was a big thing.

In killzone 2 they always flanked you and when available used the high ground.

Playing killzone 2 no hud 5.1 audio was/is awesome

MDTunkown233d ago

They should finish Horizon story first

darthv72233d ago

I dont mind if someone else takes up the mantle for the KZ franchise. We are several years removed from the first game. It certainly could use a remake to gauge interest in the rest of the series. I know it has its fans... Im thinking of how a proper reboot can rekindle that old dormant flame and bring in a new generation of fans in the process.

just_looken233d ago

You forgot killzone mercenaries on the ps vita but it was the worst selling sony game for awhile there.

Yui_Suzumiya233d ago

Yeah, a remake would be pretty awesome

anast233d ago

They should let it go or sell it. No use spending millions on this project.

LucasRuinedChildhood233d ago

Would like a new IP before Horizon 3. Just because games take so long to make these days.

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Killzone After a Decade in Hibernation

It's been 10 years since Killzone: Shadow Fall arrived for PlayStation 4 early adopters, and there's no sign of another sequel.

Obscure_Observer576d ago

Sadly it was dumped by Guerrilla to focus on Horizon games only. Mainline, VR and Multiplayer.

Vengeance1138576d ago

lmao sadly? Are you pretending to have actually played the series lol Sorry bud, no Killzone on Xbox.

Cacabunga576d ago

With the downfall of COD and BF, Killzone def. has a chance to make a groundbreaking comeback

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Notellin575d ago (Edited 575d ago )

What a low-functioning reply here typical of the fanboy N4G community.

Rimeskeem576d ago

“Dumped”

I think it’s called moving on.

Barlos576d ago (Edited 576d ago )

They brought out 4 main games and 2 spin offs: one on PSP and one on Vita. That's a decent run for any series. I also understand that Shadow Fall wasn't a success commercially despite it coming out at PS4 launch, and as a big Killzone fan even I couldn't get into it, so I think Sony/Guerrilla could see it was time to move on.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love another Killzone game in the vein of KZ2 but it's just not happening. Hell, I'd even take a remake or remaster of the first 3 games.

I'd hardly say it was "dumped" though, it spanned 3 console generations and 2 handheld generations.

1Victor575d ago

@obscured:”Sadly it was dumped by Guerrilla to focus on Horizon games only. Mainline, VR and Multiplayer”

Happily it was dumped by Guerrilla to focus on Horizon games only. Mainline, VR and Multiplayer( edited to reflect the writer true feelings and allegiance)
Kill zone was a FPS far ahead of its glitched competitors with nauseating bad camera angles, 10 years old screaming curses like a drunk sailor and bot aiming assist.

ChasterMies575d ago

“Sadly”?

The Horizon games were among the best games of all time. Killzone Shadowfail wasn’t.

Shane Kim575d ago

True, but damn the memories of KZ2 multiplayer. Still no MP as fun as that to this date.

Mr_cheese575d ago

Dumped and shelved are two different things

Tacoboto575d ago

And Sony as a whole dumped the FPS genre so they wouldn't have products competing with COD and (until purchase) Destiny.

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GoodGuy09576d ago

I loved the KZ2+3 campaigns and MP in 2. There could be so much more done with the franchise. Horizon although good, I wish they'd go back to this wonderful IP. Take a break from Horizon please.

Flawlessmic576d ago

Agreed dude, I would absolutely love a reboot of the series, one can only hope that either resistance or killzone makes a return.

Have nothing but great memories, especially of the first 3 games, but all 4 were show stoppers graphically.

blackbeld576d ago

To making it a successful reboot they have to change that buttons layout! Make it playable like the cod button layout. Otherwise I’ll skipping it again.

Rynxie575d ago

And that's the reason why many fps games failed. Instead of being original and catering to it's fans, they tried to make it like cod. No, kz doesn't need cod button layout. It needs to be like it was on kz2 or balanced liked kz3.

Lightning77576d ago

I think Kill Zone would do great in Sony's LS push. As well as MAG reboot and bring back Resistance into LS.

Sharky231575d ago

@Lightning77

I think WarHawk would have been a great Live service game.

thorstein576d ago

Killzone games were so polished. The gameplay was just simple joy. MP was one of the best experiences.

I remember KZ3, just staring at how awesome they animated the water and then getting wasted because of it.

P_Bomb576d ago

It’s been a decade? Now I’m sad.

LiViNgLeGaCY575d ago

I hear ya bud. We're due for a revival.

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