Next-Gen Transition Will be Just as Slow and Painful for PS4 and Xbox as Wii U

GenGAME writes: "Most of the content problems Wii U has faced so far are likely to be faced by PS4 and Xbox as well. While they’re unlikely to run into the same brand confusion that Wii U faced, we all know that it’s games – not consoles – that drive this industry. So the real question will be, as it always is, who will come out with the most-wanted games. And so far, it’s not necessarily clear that PS4 and Xbox will be ready with a stronger start than Wii U when they finally launch."

[Godmars290]

No. Because they're actual attempts at "next gen" rather than a tweak of the current one.

Sorry, but its true.

[legendoflex]

Welcome to 2006.

[lilbroRx]

The technology to make the Wii U didn't exist in 2006.

[gta2800]

@lilbroRx

Is that so? then why does their console look no different from consoles that were developed in the early 2000's?

[SilentNegotiator]

@libro

Then WiiU shouldn't cost so much in that case, as technology is supposed to do more for less over time, not the other way around.

[SilentNegotiator]

The Ps3 comparisons are such garbage; Ps3 never had a month as bad as Wii U in January.

[thechosenone]

I'll call it now, Sony will see huge numbers while MS will struggle to sell units, the weaker specs blocking used games, always online connect in the nextbox will be the underlying factors.

[ilikestuff]

itll come down to what they cost

[_-EDMIX-_]

Nope. It comes down to weather or not the value of it warrants the cost.

[SilentNegotiator]

@Ed

Vita: "Is that so?"

Both price and value are important. Cheaper systems normally do better. BUT, in Wii U's case, a lack of value as a system that neither impresses the hardcore with its jump into the 8th gen nor the casual/masses with its touchscreen (something that reached its peak long ago) is leaving it in a sticky situation.

[Spoon_]

I really don't understand Wii u backers its like backing the v6 mustang knowing the cobra outshines it in every way

[BuryYourHead707]

or like owning a mustang in general knowing that about every other sports car is better :] lol

[neogeo]

maybe because the V6 stang gets 30mpg and still has 305hp, cost less to buy and also to insure.

Anyway I back Metroid, Zelda, xenoblade, Donkey Kong, Eternal Darkness and bayonetta 2...No matter what hardware it's running on.

[DwightOwen]

Maybe Nintendo fans buy it for... wait for it...

NINTENDO GAMES.

[lilbroRx]

@Dwightowen, no they buy it for "good games" and fun.

If specs were even "one" of the most important things to Nintendo fans, then they wouldn't game on consoles to begin with.

They bought the Wii U because it offers more than just increased specs. If offers new way to play games on top of being able to do more than last gen console. A simple spec up is not enough for them. They want "true" next gen according to "their standards" not yours(ie. new game playing capability and features).

[SonyPS4]

You can't play Nintendo Wii U games on a PS4, despite its more powerful hardware. That is something people tend to forget.

[JustinWeinblatt]

No it's not like that at all. It's more like buying a system with games you like, instead of buying a system with games you don't like. I prefer Mario Galaxy to Uncharted and Smash Bros to God of War, so it naturally makes more sense for me to buy a Wii U. I prefer local multiplayer to online multiplayer. I prefer platformers to shooters.

To me, the Wii U is a far better option than the PS4 will be. You can buy whichever system best meets your need.

[Spoon_]

V6 mustang< cobra mustang

[KONAAs]

mustang suxk balls u cant even fit 4 adult ppl in them they are crowded, overhyped

[guitarded77]

PS4 and XBOX will have third party support, so I don't think it will be as slow. We've seen that the Wii U will not have Unreal Engine 4, and EA has pretty much said they have nothing planned for the Wii U. Nintendo has to rely on their 1st party exclusives and their third party exclusives, which are going to be Eastern devs for the most part. Sony and MS have to worry about price point, to grow the install base. Even with a low install base at the beginning, both Sony and MS should see strong third party support because of the x86 architecture. Having x86 makes porting games from/to PC VERY easy, so the investment of making the game for 3 platforms is minimal.

[Stroke666]

the wii u will, or should I say could have unreal engine 4

http://mynintendonews.com/2...

EA and nintendo have horrible relationship its like rare all over again. however the article speaks of the third party games being on other consoles as well. cause nintendo does have third party support the thing is the games on it are also on ps360 so it may not warrant the purchase of a new console for most. the same can be said for the upcoming msony offerings from what we know so far. will ps3 owners and xbox 360 owners see it as worth it to buy a new system for games slated for release on systems they have in their living room. imo, what rein and EA want is for gamers to focus on graphics. by doing so their job is all that much easier, all they'd have to do is put out the same shit just with prettier graphics which is exactly what they plan on doing. we gotta stop the non sense as gamers and not be herded into what to like and what to consider important. prettier graphics are great but that should not be the start all end all of the gaming industry. I would bet that no ps360 fan will down sonysoft for releasing with games that are also on current gen systems, especially not in the way nintendo was trashed for the same thing. watch dogs, battlefield 4, assassin creed 4, so on and so forth will be lauch titles for sonysofts next gen consoles but would those move systems considering they'll also be available on current gen systems? do you think its worth a new system purchase?

[lilbroRx]

The Wii U will have major third party support, it will just primarily be from Japan and Europe.

Most games I buy are exclusives that come from Japan(I don't like military shooters) so that will be perfectly fine for me. When games like Bayonetta 2, Monster Hunter, Wonderful 101, Monoliths Xeno title and Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem stop coming to the Wii U, then I will consider there being something to wonder about.

[fatstarr]

it will be extremely painful especially with the weak sauce ps4 promises and the lack of real AAA material for the wiiu. not even any thing on the next box's side either. e3 needs to come.

wiiu was an upgrade if you had a wii
but theres no reason to get a ps4 or next box. if the xbl service and everything is up to par. there's no need to insta upgrade especially early. since dual generation releases will be happening for the next 2 years.

and people don't care about graphics because a ps3 is better than a gtx 680.

in truth next gen will be all about the games. everything better re invent itself.

and despite how sony fans think the Sony products do not fly off the shelves.

*cough*
ps3 in 2006
psp when it launched
vita in 2012

ps4 in 2013, selling 3 million b4 the year is done to be touted a great success. i can see it now.

[die_fiend]

PS4 launches with Killzone 4. So like many others, I'm sold.

Wii U equivalent being a 2D (?!) Mario game.

Wii U is getting a lot of grief because it's not even running 360 ports properly 7 years later. PS4 will be wiping the floor with the graphics, AI, game worlds etc of Wii U because its actually a big upgrade for gamers

[OpieWinston]

Killzone 4? I'm far from sold after seeing it, I don't know if the MP will have the "War Torn" landscape in their maps like previous Killzones, because that's what lets you enjoy it IMO.

I will agree next gen(Xbox/Playstation) is going to be a far larger leap then Wii U. Nintendo has always been 1 step behind, and the Wii U is doomed (sadly).

[Stroke666]

@opieWinston... have you seen wii graphics compared to wii u graphics? sonysoft's next gen will not over shadow their last gen systems like that, nor will they be lightyears ahead of the wii u like last gen with 3360 bs wii. the biggest leap this gen by far will be the wii u. albeit the sonysoft installments will have better graphics than the wii u. and even still that will not ensure their success over the wii u cause time has proven that graphics do not sell systems. that being said I am looking forward to see more of what sony is bringing to the table KZ doesn't do it for me but I'm certain they'll pull something out that intrigues me until then I'm actually loving my wii u. Sucks that graphics can keep you from having fun but happy gaming none the less!

[ALLWRONG]

I would agree if the Wii U didn't have 3 times the power of current gen, which it does. Also I'm pretty sure the PS4 and Next Xbox will be twice the price of Wii U.

[jcnba28]

Sorry but Nintendo will win next gen, again.

[Deku-Johnny]

Actually I think the transition to next gen will be quite a slow one. A lot of people are wanting to stick with PS3/360 as they still hold up after all this time. Obviously it won't be AS slow and painful for Sony and MS as it is for Nintendo right now but the beginning of the 8th gen won't be smooth sailing for anyone unfortunately.

[gpturbo81]

denial

[_QQ_]

Yes because ps3/360 owners have less reason to buy a ps4/720 than wii owners have for wiiu, sony has better games coming out this year for ps3 than ps4's launch lineup, unless you consider KZ4 miles ahead of The Last of Us.Seeing how it will probably take at least a year for various worthwhile exclusives to release, along with most third party games being on both current and next gen systems for at least a year, i would say yes.

[CGI-Quality]

Two words: Doubt it.

[Conzul]

Yeah.
Instant sharing of your gaming feats coupled with quality titles like KZ4 and Second Son and Driveclub. BF4 maybe.

Almost forgot; the ability to make your own games and port them to PS4 and sell between .99 and $60

Oh yeah, reeeeeaaaaalllll slow start.

[1upgamer99]

I am not discounting what you are saying about making your own games and porting them, but honestly the AVERAGE gamer is not going to do that. Only a true core gamer will. I am a Sony/Nintendo/PC gamer, and I would not even know how to begin to do that. Although a cool feature, for most people not a selling point.

Nintendo is kind of doing the instant share thing right now on Miiverse, though not to the extent Sony is planing.

[SymphonicRain]

I think what he means is that with the ease of access for independent developers, the PS4 won't really suffer from "no games".

[Felonycarclub8]

No I don't see this happening it will have its moments here and there but not as bad as wii u because alot of the companies are dropping wii u support and are going next gen

[overrated44]

Hey look at that a speculation post that is missing facts! This is N4G all right!

[smashcrashbash]

Do you know that for a fact? Since when is it that people think because one company is having trouble that automatically means they will have the same trouble? Just because the Wii U is struggling because people didn't buy their pitch or are waiting to see what the other systems are offering doesn't mean the next PlayStation or Xbox will suffer the same fate.

[specialagent4532]

Is true looking at the PS4 it seems to have learned from its mistakes by talking with game developers and by offering the PC articheture x86 which is the standard for PC gaming well is going to be easier for game developers to make games. Second the online features are way better than what we saw on the PS3. Meaning at the moment the PS4 is a far better deal than the wii u. Not so sure about Microsoft since we know nothing but rumors. Even though personally in my opinion not a fact it will fail. I will eat my words if I am wrong about it.

[MrBeatdown]

The Wii U's problem isn't that the games are merely ports.

The problem is they were $60 ports of OLD games that could be found much cheaper on PS3 and 360, and they only offered gameplay tweaks to incorporate the second screen. Nobody wanted something like Arkham City on Wii U because people had a whole year to play it elsewhere.

PS4, and likely the 720, will get games on day 1, not day 365, at the same pricing, and there's a clear set of benefits, not just in graphics, but in the way console features add to the games themselves.

[Dgander]

Agree but those same "OLD" ports was what people were begging for from Nintendo. The gaming community has poor memory from my experience. I still remember people spamming comments about how Nintendo needs to get those 3rd party games and make a WiiHD. Now that its here people only have negative things to say about it. The so called "adult hardcore gamers" are overrated and hypocrites. Im still confused as to why Nintendo wasted their time trying to please them in the first place.

[MrBeatdown]

There's nothing hypocritical about it.

What was asked for years ago is not necessarily what people want today. The last I heard anything about a "Wii HD" was years ago. That ship has sailed. If people wanted a Nintendo equivalent to the kind of content and support the PS3 and 360 had, it probably wasn't at a time when attention is moving away from PS3 and 360.

By now, anyone who seriously wanted the kind of content the Wii U has now probably moved on to PS3 or 360 long ago. It's all about striking while the iron is hot. Nintendo didn't do that.

How many times did we see people asking for MGS4 on 360? How many people would still buy it today?

[Dgander]

@MrBeatdown The Wii U was announced and launched before the PS4 and 720 was even announced to be launched this year so how is it that the focus was moved away? Also why are you defending a so called fanbase who we all know have no intentions of buying Nintendo products in the first place? They didnt in the N64 era when it was more powerful and they didnt with the gamecube which was obviously more powerful, had more quality games and had little to no loading time.

[MrBeatdown]

The 360 was out seven years before the Wii U even released. The PS3 was out for six.

On top of that, everyone knew new systems from Sony and Microsoft were on the horizon.

Waiting that long to launch a console that is merely comparable to two platforms people are growing tired of is not what anyone was asking for. I'm sure plenty of Wii fans wanted more third-party support too. Is anyone going to care if the Wii gets it now? Nope. Delivering in a timely manner matters, and Nintendo failed to do that.

And don't give me that nonsense about defending a "so called fanbase who we all know have no intentions of buying Nintendo products in the first place". That's just a hollow and completely unfounded way to lay the blame on people who were never interested, instead of faulting Nintendo for failing to deliver a product at a time when their fans actually had a significant interest in it.

[Dgander]

@MrBeatdown Its merely comparable because it has the same games people wanted on a Ninty console? How is 7 year hardware comparable to 2 year old hardware? People on this website surprise me everyday with their biased nonsense. Lets assume Nintendo had a time machine and went back in time just to buy old parts to make a console cause they were unavaliable 2 years ago. Thats basically what youre implying....the Wii U's tech is 7 years old (and i know you know deep down youre not making any sense). Its obvious the Wii U is less powerful than PS4 and maybe 720 but to say its on par with PS3 and 360 makes me wonder if youre a mouth breathing retarded troll. Wii U's GPU with 1GB VRAM and 5.0 shaders is equalivent to PS3 and 360 GPU with 256MB VRAM and shader 3.0 features? Dont even bother mentioning the CPU architecture and say its old 2001 architecture cause as we know the PS4 X86 architecture is even older than that (1978). Also there is no way the Wii U would be able to run with a mere Gamecube CPU as some people claim here cause it will be a huge bottleneck and the console would have major problems. The bias has to stop somewhere cause theres no way you are serious with the nonsense you just typed.

[specialagent4532]

The purpose was that maybe the new to gaming would of wanted a far deeper complex experience. Like the transition from super Nintendo to Play Station. The snes offered a simple fun kiddy experience; whereas, the psone offered a more mature experience like legacy of kain blood omen or resident evil. That's what Nintendo was trying to do.

[MrBeatdown]

@Dgander

"Its obvious the Wii U is less powerful than PS4 and maybe 720 but to say its on par with PS3 and 360 makes me wonder if youre a mouth breathing retarded troll."

Suggesting I'm a mouth breathing retarded troll and trying to tell me even I don't think I'm making sense makes me wonder if you're the "mouth-breathing retarded troll" here. I can tell you think what you're saying makes sense though, even if it really doesn't.

Fact is, Wii U is comparable to PS3 and 360. Ramble on all you want about tech specs, or the age of the parts included or whatever nonsensical reason you have for mentioning the PS4's architecture is from 1978. I was never talking simply about tech specs. When EVERYTHING is taken into account, the experience is as comparable to PS3 and 360 as the PS3 and 360 are to eachother. Each has their differences, their pros and cons, but they all offer a comparable experience in the end.

I never said they were identical. You seem to be in defense mode over the comparison, and trying to prove me wrong, even though for every detail you pointed out in favor of the Wii U, you didn't stop to mention areas where the Wii U is clearly lagging... games, downloadable content, storage, and even pricing.

You call what I say nonsense, but it makes a hell of a lot more sense than what you're coming up with.

[jcnba28]

The PS4 will be getting $60 ports as well.

[MrBeatdown]

I know. That's what my whole comment is about.

The problem Wii U has is not that the games are simply ports. It's how late the bulk of the ports are, and how expensive they are by comparison to other versions.

Not only are they late, meaning most people interested have already played them, but they are also far cheaper on PS3 and 360. Deus Ex is $10 on PSN this week. Why would I want to pay an extra $50 just for touch screen features on Wii U?

You need a big line-up of "must-haves" to sell new hardware, not a bunch of "already-haves".

The author tries to suggest the PS4 and 720 will see the same problem. It won't. Destiny, Watch Dogs, Assassin's Creed... they aren't late, overpriced ports like Batman, Mass Effect 3, and Need For Speed. All those ports the PS3 and 360 are seeing aren't any more expensive, they aren't late, and they are going to be superior to PS3 and 360 versions. Hell, the PS3 and 360 versions may turn out to be the ports in many cases.

The author could only point to Blacklight and Diablo as late ports the PS4 and 720 will see, and even then there is a big difference between porting from one platform (PC) to a bunch of platforms as is the case with those two games, as opposed to porting from every other platform to one remaining platform as is the case with a good chunk of Wii U ports.

[Half-Mafia]

How can there be confusion to if the PS4 is the new console to the PS3. The clue is in the number.

And as for a slow and painful transition, the PS4/720 will be getting every single next-gen game. If that the cross over games like Destiny, Watch Dogs, AC4 or game only coming for the next-gen like Sony 1st party, Theif, Deep Down and Witcher 3.

The sad thing is the WiiU are not even getting most of the late PS3/360 games let alone the PS4/720.

[dedicatedtogamers]

Ding ding ding! Get this guy a gold star. This is exactly it. Current gen games are skipping WiiU. Next-gen games are skipping WiiU. You know where these games are headed? PS4 and NextBox. Sooooo, how could PS4 and NextBox struggle in the same way as WiiU when the WiiU's struggles are partially because PS4 and NextBox are stealing games from it?

[_-EDMIX-_]

LMFAO! ^ Thank you! Last time I checked.....Wii didn't get Mass Effect, Assassin's Creed, Battlefield, GTA, Red Dead, Dead Space, LA Noire etc.......why would Wii U get BF4, Mass Effect 4 etc? LMFAO! So.....do Nintendo fans just not get history?

Remember the Wii? Same thing will happen with Wii U, its already happening. PS4 and 720 are different cause you know....they are next gen systems where it counts.

Wii is what cause developers to use the term "high end" when talking about PS3 and 360. So next time you hear the word "Next gen" they mean "high end" ie NOT Wii U. LOL!

[Jazz4108]

I just don't see this happening. wiu launched with pretty outdated hardware to be considered in the same leaque as ps4 and Durango. I don't see wiu being in trouble unless the industry shifts very casual and ms and sony will be in better position spec wise to tackle both areas. Should be fun either way.

[GribbleGrunger]

This is simply not true. The reason that there isn't so much support for the Wiiu is that developers are busy making next gen games for the PS4 and 720. That may not go down well but I'm afraid it's true.

[vividi]

Says who?

[BLow]

Please, someone bookmark this and send it to the website when this turns out not to be true. Yes the Wii did great but the hype for the Wii U is nowhere near what it is for the PS4 and Nextbox are. Even developers aren't into it yet, and I'll believe them before anybody here on this site. Oh well, we'll see.

[Jek_Porkins]

Surprised nobody has mentioned this before, I don't think the next Xbox or Playstation will start great. Poor economy, high price points and probably limited quantities will lower output. I just hope all the people who bashed the Wii U remember what goes around comes around. The game industry is a parady of itself at times.

[Reborn]

Well,

The economy situation is indeed bad. However, like iPhones, Galaxy S3/S4 etc, consumers will spend on what they feel they really want/value for said money. Sony have held off on announcing a price, but have had a pretty slow start due to the pricing they announced with the PS3. I'm sure a company such as Sony must've learnt their lessons by now.

"high price point"? No one knows the price yet. It's all speculation. Refer to above.

Regarding limited stock, well that again is linked to when Sony actually release for all regions etc. Then it also factors into the pricing.

The PS4 (more so, since its been announced)/Durango is indeed in a better position than the Wii U was. But Nintendo has got its own audience, so to speak. I'd assume if the Wii U doesn't do well in the long run, then Nintendo will probably invest a lot more heavily into their hardware in the future.

Right now, if the figures retailers are claiming for pre-orders are to be believed, I'd say once Sony announce the pricing, that could possible increase further.

[Outside_ofthe_Box]

I hope you remember your comment was well. If not both at least one the two will have success early on. I doubt all 3 would struggle at the same time.

[Nilemonitors13]

are you a fat person? I don't mean it in a demeaning way, you just write like a fat amazing person

[jameson12345]

All of the consoles since 2005 have had difficulties pure sales wise in the months after debuting. Due to the fact that the PS3 and 360 are still selling well, this might increase the difficulty for the 720 and PS4. I'm not saying they won't sell like hot cakes eventually, all I'm saying is that the differences between the seventh and eighth gen consoles is less than seventh and sixth gen and mainstream consumers won't want to buy another console after they just bought one if it does not seem all that different (to them, people that don't constantly research videogame news).

[legendoflex]

It's not just that they're selling well - it's that they're still getting lots and lots of games. More games in 2013 than Wii will have gotten in the last three years combined by the time PS4 launches. One of the main points here is that if a starved Wii audience isn't upgrading, why would a still-fattened PS3/360 audience?

[jameson12345]

The major problem with the Wii U is that people straight up don't know it exists. When the Wii came out, we saw the "Wii would like play" commercials that drew people in and gave them a vision of what the Wii could do. With the Wii U, they just have the occasion dubstep, 10 second blips with just the controller as a focus, pushing people more into thinking its just an attachment to the Wii. Who ever was in charge of advertisement this go around needs to be fired. I also the flow of games is so slow right now that there is none of that natural attention. It desperately needs both advertisement and high profile games.

[R_aVe_N]

I don't think Sony or Microsoft will have to worry about a really slow start to next gen. I can see both out pacing the Wii U very early in the launch cycle. The Wii U is just mainly plagued by old ports that are much cheaper on other consoles.

[isarai]

Developers say otherwise

[jameson12345]

Developers aren't the ones who are buying them. Plus, if they want to avoid the Wii U's troubles, they better draw the attention of people besides their fan base. The normal consumer isn't so informed.

[BladerunnerZX]

Hmm developers like EA ?

EA has lost both interest and faith in the WiiU recently. Ex. there are many gamestores that only recieved 1 or 2 copys of Need for Speed WiiU.

want another? Dice has no intention of developing any games for WiiU.

[na-no-nai]

If you had notice it have nothing to do with Wiiu sale recently for EA and Nintendo fallout. EA wanted origin on Nintendo and possibly all control of the network and Nintendo said no. That what cause the support of EA for Nintendo

[Ck1x]

The fact of the matter is that publishers aren't going to ignore a 150mil install base to so the can make PS4&720 games. So in the end the general public doesn't care about the Next-gen hardware if majority of the games are still coming to the current consoles. This is where the line is getting blurred because in the end both Sony and Microsoft are going to be competing heavily with themselves come holiday 2013. As the outgoing models get to an even more mass market pricing while still running the sames games (albeit with lesser quality than their successors) the games will still be on those consoles nonetheless. There's not much showcasing right now that proves that this next-gen isn't going to only be about a slightly prettier picture than before. PS1 to PS2 brought a big leap in 3d games, the PS2 to PS3 era was just as big expounding upon and bringing HD and Bluray into the picture. Now PS3 to PS4 is bringing what game changing features like the eras before did? 8GB of GDDR5? Because that's the only thing anyone ever brags about on here, the RAM... Now I'm getting a PS4 regardless myself, just as I have a WiiU. But I'm just being honest when I say that just because you as an individual see the need to upgrade doesn't mean that everyone else will. I upgrade my phone every year, because I like staying having the most current latest tech in my phone and I am shocked at the majority of people where I work that either still have flip phones or they have some phone that came out 2-3yrs ago. It's not that most of these people can't afford it, its just that they don't see the need to upgrade if their current phone still does everything they need it to. People that are like me and just love having the latest whatever it is are the minority in the publics eye...

[RFornillos4]

completely agree. some fanboys just feel that the devs can simply ignore the 150 mil install base of PS360. why do you think BF4 was announced for PS360 and PC?

fact of the matter is, when PS4 and NextBox launches, not every one of those 150 million will get one. sure devs will release cross-platform games (PS3 and PS4, Xbox 360 and NextBox) but in the end, they'll be competing with themselves. they can't compete with the PC, coz that would be absurd -- PC will always be a generation ahead of consoles in terms of technology.

the saving grace for the Wii U and PS4 would be the 1st party exclusives, coz that will prove to be their system sellers; Wii U will have some of their 1st and 2nd party exclusives by then; the only question will be if PS4's 1st party exclusives will arrive in time for it's launch.

so for me, it's Wii U + PS4.

[Jaqen_Hghar]

A man sees exponentially more hype for PS4 than he ever saw for WiiU and a man is planning on picking up WiiU eventually (when games come like Mario Kart, SSB, original Zelda, 3D Mario, and DKC)

[wishingW3L]

Didn't Gamestop said that PS4's doing better on pre-orders than the Wii U on actual sales?

[legendoflex]

Given that GameStop isn't taking pre-orders yet... I don't see how they could have.

If you're talking about their "get information from us first" list, that's VERY different than pre-orders. 500,000 people were on the Wii U wait-list at GameStop, and way fewer people wound up actually buying them in the end.

[JW1080]

I wonder how much the PS4 cost to build? And what the retail cost would be. Will they sell them at a loss or will they sell them making a profit? What do you guys think?

[SUKMELONGTIME]

Nope.... prepare to be schooled.

Wii U has the raw GPU visual horsepower of 350 Gflops

PS3 has 230 Gflops, 360 gets 240 Gflops.

Saying the PS3 and 360 are on par with Wii U, hardware wise,

is like saying a VW Golf TDI (236 pound feet of torque)
is on par with an Aston Martin V8 Vantage (346 torque)

*U JUST GOT PWNED*

[legendoflex]

But this has nothing to do with whether games will sell.

[SUKMELONGTIME]

True.... But coming Christmas 2013, consumers will be able to decide between these 2 systems.

$599 Paystation 4 that has folding@home

OR

$249 Wii U and lots of money to buy

Pikmin 3
Zelda HD
ZombiU
Wonderful 101
Mario Kart U
Wii U Fit
Bayonetta 2
Yoshi Epic Yarn

[WeAreLegion]

$399 PS4 (I guarantee it.)

Those games will not take the hardcore audience away from Killzone, inFamous, Drive Club, Watch Dogs, Assassin's Creed IV, The Witcher 3, Destiny, or Battlefield 4.

They also won't take casuals away from Knack, The Witness, COD, Ghost, and HUNDREDS of indie titles.

[_QQ_]

@WeAreLegion
lol? the casual market doesn't care about knack or the ps4, The casual market likes wiifitU they like mariokartU, once the wii support drops i believe everyone and their grandma who are considerd the "casual market" will abandon their wii and pick up a wiiu. also don't mention third party titles when defending a console, third party games have and will always be better on pc.

[chukamachine]

So wii u flops the most. I agree.

[Evil_Ryu]

kids and women speak with there wallets not like stupid nerdy fat playstation fan boys who just flap there gums

[WeAreLegion]

Kids and women buy God of War, Starcraft II, and a mature rated Tomb Raider?!? Those are the top three. That doesn't even include this week's top seller...Gears of War: Judgement. Those stupid, nerdy, fat PlayStation fanboys are flapping their wallets pretty hard, it seems.

Stupid = You don't know when to use "there", "their", or "they're".

Nerdy = You're attacking a select group of people on a gaming news website...

Fat = You like fighting games. Need I say more?

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[TheSkullkid]

Just look at all the butthurt comments. Fact of the matter is the 720 and PS4 aren't going to have anything worth a damn of paying $400+ dollars for. While PHony and Microshaft struggle to remain relevent, us Wii U gamers will be in gaming bliss with Smash Bros, Zelda, Metroid, etc. What will PS4 have? Killzone? 720? Halo? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! !!!!! Talk about a pitiful lineup.

[WeAreLegion]

It's like a homeless kid is trying to show me the cool tricks he can do with his yo-yo, downplaying the fact that I have a car...

Good luck with that, man. I have a Wii U, but...there is just no way I'll play it anywhere close to as much as the PS4. I certainly don't play it as much as I play my PS3 or Vita right now.

[hobohunterz]

Have fun with those "pitiful" kiddie games on the Wii that don't even have voice acting. "hahahahahahahaha"

[millzy102]

ahhhh is it too much for you to read, who's the kid now, also for all you stupid fanboys here a lot of us Wii u gamers ate actually multiplatform gamers who still get to play the games you mention. also race club looks shit, id rather get project cars on Wii u, also assassin creed 4 already on pre order for Wii u and id rather play zelda than uncharted and I fucking love uncharted. Microsoft has nothing to make me buy another Xbox i gave up on my 5th 360. and I don't see the point in recording and streaming my game to a friend, i buy consoles to play games not watch my friends play, if I wanted to do that ill go to there house.

[thawind]

Me Like Pizza!!!!!!!!!!!.....(Majin Boo Voice)

[CPTN MITCHELL]

Pitiful line up`dude wake your @$$ up cause the wee Upscale has the same sh!t as the Wee.i play killzone 24/7 b4 i play zelda,mario, or metroid.....jajajaja

[delboy]

Ps4 and nexbox will have a slower start then ps360 because of economy.
We have world recession still going.
That's number one reason.
Two, many will not buy it day one because they learned how unreliable current gen was, ylod and rrod.
So it is better to wait for hardware revision.
Next is the price, next gen may be cheaper than current gen was at release, but still many will hold with their purchase.
Waiting for a price drop, because there are people who will never spend more then 199$-299$ on a gaming console, because they see it as a toy.
And there are those that bought current gen console two years ago and aren't interested in next generation for quite some time.

You see it's not about games, I never even mention them.

[jay2]

Alex, dude, NO! They are 'Next gen.' The ported games don't even run as well as the other consoles on the Wii U. The stuff we can do on PS4 isn't even possible on them, and ALL the ported games will be 5* better, and NO BF4, Watch_dogs, AS4 coming ROUGHLY DAY AND DATE TO THE CURRENT GEN CONSOLES. Destiny, let's face it, isn't hitting shelves till next year.

[millzy102]

watch dogs and assassins creed 4 are coming to wii u, I can already pre order assassins creed 4 for it and I'm not bothered about bf4 besides if I wanted ill get it on ps4 anyway, as for shoddy ports, the games could have run properly but with all the hardware revisions nintwndo done in the last 6th months before launch and all the deadlines to meet, it was going to be hard to get perfect running ports in such a small time but I've olayed black ops and ace on wii u and they seem to run fine. (yes some frame droos happens sometimes in cod but its no where near unplayable as I've heard epic micky 2 is but I won't play that shit anyway.

[Baka-akaB]

Sounds like a dubious argument . The ps4 in his current "vaporware" status already got more interesting game at launch than the wii u .

ANd i'm sure it will be the same for the 720 .

I'm not saying it will make the ps4 /720 launch huge hit , but in comparison , the WIi U had nothing worth playing or that everyone didnt already play to offer at launch , and still dont . None of the games that got people intrigued got released yet .

[PirateThom]

I think the Wii and Wii U should stand as a testament for why you can't just release a console that sits between gens like the Dreamcast.

[BladerunnerZX]

Many gamers lose perspective when it comes to the mass market appeal of a new gaming console.

Most casual consumers are perfectly happy with their current gen PS3 and Xbox360.

For example the PS3 already streams Netflix and plays Blu-Ray movies. Two very popular mainstream apps and features that the previous generation of gaming consoles did not have (PS2 ,Xbox 1 etc.)
The PS3 is the #1 device for streaming Netflix btw.

Therefore the majority of casual gamers and consumers will be very skeptical of why they should invest in a new expensive next gen game console.

As far as developer support I think the PS4 and XboxNext will both initially have strong support.

It does look as though the PS4 is favored by most of the AAA 3rd party devs like Dice , Bethesda , Capcom and even ... Bungie.

[madjedi]

Yeah but the casuals or mainstream gamers won't be touching either the ps4 or 720 for the first 2 yrs. Casuals won't touch till it's $249 or less.

This is where the hardcore fans come in, it's been almost 7yrs(sony guys) and 8 yrs(ms guys) since the systems released.

Launch ps3 and 360 owners in general are ready for new hardware, alot of us are ready to upgrade and @ $400 that is not alot of an asking price.

I could easily see the 2 systems selling 5-10 million each in a yrs time, by mid-late 2014 the current system lineup should have slowed down very significantly. Bye the second yr most launch owners of this gen, will have upgraded to one or the other.

I find it absolutely hilarious, how nintendo fans have been going on about exploding dev costs, if it's already bad for the ps3/360 it will be worse for the wii u as well.

But since the wii u is doing horribly, the industry is doomed to a upcoming crash soon. Except for nintendo who will save us all, magically with the same ips from 25+ yrs ago.

I doubt either will sell 16 million in 1 yr, but they will sell at a healthy rate similar to this gen. And bullshit on the economy excuse ipads and $400+ dollar phones are still selling very well. People have money how they spend it is another story.

All system preferences aside, if any of the next gens are too expensive for you, but a $400 phone is perfectly fine you are a retard.

[lovegames718]

Res... Skull kid

You have to be the biggest delusional #itch and lame on thus site. Mad at the world bcus Nintendo duped your naive silly #ss into thinking wiiu was next gen in power. The verdict is out and there is/was a reason Nintendo didn't expound on their tech and architecture on wiius, they were hiding a dirty secret, Digital foundry and others uncovered the truth and that is that underwhelming Wiiu is current gen in specs and isn't n upgrade over eight year old tech, Pop talk about the mediocre gpu as if that's the only component to Wiiu and even that isn't spectacular given Wiiu is years newer than ps3 but what about crappy could Lol its trash.

Bottom line in no shape or form will Wiiu keep up with ps4. Bottom line Wiiu hardly keeps up with current gen and still has issues due to weak cpu. Bottom line spot of games are skipping Wiiu because true next gen is coming and either alit of those games can't be transitioned to its weak hardware or Lol just aren't interested in the Wiiu.

A lot of you idiots back Nintendo as if they are making all the wrong moves or didn't slight u. You are fans if mediocrity. IATA said there woukdnt be much diff, from Wiiu and next gen Sony and micro. System that alone should tell u no pt to listen to the idiot. Killzone is a launch title already shown and is confirmed to be 1080p rez. Out the gate at launch and looks next gen meanwhile you guys were playing crappy zombie u that looked garbage and Mario that looked like the Wii version bwahhh

Plz just stfu too many excuses not enough backup, The default argument is always games Lol no one want the same stale old games with no innovation, Nintendo hasn't innovated in software in forever last time I chked Ps3 had the bigger, quality and more innovative exclusive ips

[1upgamer99]

I think, what some people do not get is that most people are not "Core" gamers. Sure here on this site we all love games, but not every one that plays PS360/Wii are going to run out and pick up the new console right away. When PS3 came out there was a TON of support for PS2 still, and so allot of people waited to pick up PS3 because as far as they were concerned there was no real need. 360 sold pretty well right off the bat, most likely because Microsoft had pretty much stopped supporting Xbox the year before 360 (kinda like what is happening to 360 now).
I know consoles are going to sell, that is a given. They just might not fly off the shelves accept the first few months. I for one am a PS4/Wii U/PC for the next gen.

[millzy102]

people still don't get it, a lot of wii u gamers play multiple systems, fanboys can't believe that people buy more than one console and I don't care how much more powrrful ps4 is to Wii u as ill have both, I can play zelda and uncharted (I don't care about killzone they bore me). a system can still be 8bit all I care as long as there's fun games to play and not all games need blood and gore to be "hardcore" you can tell who the kids are on this site that don't know shit. also new systems really sell shit loads, sometimes because lack of demand, sometimes lack of products but a lot of the time its about money and how many people brought either a Wii u, 360 or ps3 at xmas, are they going to but a new system this year?

[tristanwerbe]

People should not hate on the Wii U if you don't own it don't bitch cause you don't know