Nvidia Slam PS4, But Is Power Everything?

Vibox delve into Nvidia's recent outlandish statements about the PS4, question rhe next generation's impact on the future of PC gaming and wonder if it really is all about numbers and spec sheets.

[chukamachine]

Nvidia is slamming AMD, and PS4. Because they don't want people to be satisfied with PS4. Nvidia want people to build a gaming rig and put a titan in it,lol.

[iGAM3R-VIII]

Agreed, when a company doesn't get their way, they usually trash it. I think if AMD do really well with the PS4 and Xbox, Nvidia would lose their spot in the Next-next-Gen consoles.

[Hydrolex]

You know, they have been complaining too much about the PS4, so it really shows that they are butt hurt that Sony didn't kiss their butts and go with them...

[Hydrolex]

Nvidia is on her period

[Lior]

They never had a spot in the next gen consoles anyway your much better off building a good spec pc with amd or nvidia regardless, the next gpus of these consoles will be low to mid end spec

[ginsunuva]

There are no next-next-gen consoles. After this it's all cloud. And guess who has the largest upcoming cloud technology that everyone is using.... Nvidia!

And mobile market is making 100x+ more money than consoles, and guess who's at the forefront of mobile computing.... Nvidia!

Why would anyone worry about consoles? Nvidia doesn't even care much for pc gpus anymore.
Now their focus is all on GRID and Tegra.

[WrAiTh Sp3cTr3]

When did Nvidia slam anything?

[kneon]

Nvidia have no hope in the console market unless the console makers switch to arm. They can't make an integrated x86 CPU/GPU

[nnotdead]

@ginsunuva

we really can't say for sure whether another box will be released next gen. we are all sure cloud gaming is the future, but how soon it comes depends isp companys. not just speed matters but also data caps.

i do think you are right about next gen being mostly if not all about the cloud. which makes the up coming gen more important. MS and Sony will be pushing the cloud a lot, and whoever wins will already have a customer base for their future streaming gaming market place. not to mention if Steam gets involved. i'm unsure how involved with Nvidia any of these, or other big players are with each other.

Qualcomm still dominates Tegra in Phones. though Nvidia has been doing well in tablets, they just lost the Nexus platform to Qualcomm. future is pretty unsure for them as of right now.

why wouldn't Nvidia care about their GPU business? it still brings in 3-4x's the profit of their Tegra business. it would be crazy for them to just not care about most of their profits.

[kikoano]

Wrong PS4 its very bad for dev its close system its bad for players too get pc and you have everyting.And there is only 10 000 nvidia titans made and they are already sold.

[Ritsujun]

Having talented developers like NaughtyDog, SantaMonicaStudios, GuerillaGames to utilize the power to push the outdated hardware to its limit IS everything.

[tarbis]

ginsunuva:
For a company that doesn't care about console sure have lots to say about them.
And putting the most powerful gpu mobile is big waste. Because no mobile developer is gonna use the full potential of it. Mobile developers only cares about making a game that can turn into a quick buck using microtransactions. They'll just make the game pretty using the gpu then use the most basic physics available then be done with it.

[badz149]

"There are no next-next-gen consoles. After this it's all cloud. And guess who has the largest upcoming cloud technology that everyone is using.... Nvidia!"

which one is it? "upcoming" or "everyone IS using"? their grid system is promising but we are still not there yet, dude!

"And mobile market is making 100x+ more money than consoles, and guess who's at the forefront of mobile computing.... Nvidia!"

forefront? I'm pretty sure it's ARM not nVidia's Tegra and it's not going to change anytime soon as the 2 biggest mobile giants at the moment - Samsung and Apple both use ARM!

[MysticStrummer]

"your much better off building a good spec pc with amd or nvidia regardless,"

Yeah, so I can play games I don't much care about in high detail. Sounds amazing. smh

[MaxXAttaxX]

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[Zha1tan]

Titan is seriously one of the worst cards in terms of price/performance ratio.

[andrewer]

The price looks fine IMO. It's the most powerful one to date, Nvidia can price it balls and no one can complain...Wait for competition to get there (what will take some time actually) and the price will drop beautifully ;)

[nnotdead]

that's a short sided view. the Titian is about having the top performer, not the best bang for the buck. lower powered cards tend to lead price/performance ratio, so if that is what you're looking at, the Titian, 680, 7970, or other top of the line cards won't be much interest to you.

[Npugz7]

Wow you said it exactly how it is!!!

[Knushwood Butt]

Anyone would think Nvidia are buuthurt

[delboy]

Yeah Nvidia is buthurt, but AMD fights to stay alive.
Funny how Sony boys twists, suddenly it's not about power.
But in every other thread it is all about power and ram speed. Lol

[MysticStrummer]

@delboy - It's the anti-Sony crowd that are twisting this. Nvidia may or may not be butthurt, but they certainly give the impression that they are. If Nvidia really walked away from next gen consoles voluntarily, why bother making statements about their lack of power? They went out of their way to downplay the power of devices they supposedly have no interest in. At the very least it's classless and unprofessional, but it also gives the appearance of being butthurt whether they are or not.

[FlyingFoxy]

You're right there, they must know Titan aint selling because it's of of hose massively overpriced and marginally better cards. For regular high end cards there's normally little difference between AMD and Nvidia.

[IAmLee]

LOL.
They've been going on for about a week now.
So butthurt from sony not using there equipment and what not.
Ah well. :')

[nirwanda]

I think it's more like nvidia don't want the next direct X to go apu fully HSA because they don't make them or probably have any in development.

[Psn800]

There just jealous are Nvidia .

[hiredhelp]

I was long fan green team till AMD got better at there GPUs then I played with AMD cards since dx10 started.
My last nvidia card was 560 nvidia is getting power hungury and money hungury while they have new tegra chis yes mobiles is a massive market.
I feel there bitter about AMD supporting consoles and still producing low to high end desktop and server cards.
To compete with Nvidia and now with AMD dabbling back into the Physix with tress Fx being first what I call test waters I think Nvidia shud start shutting there mouths get off there high horse.
Like AMD You have desktop GPU you have mobile division with tegra now AMD has console market.
I'm running a AMD desktop card not going back

[DeadlyFire]

NVIDIA is not only pissed about hardware. They probably proposed NVIDIA GRID to Sony before they bought Gaikai and Sony said no thanks.

[troncoparati]

They are sore because they missed the opportunity to be in the next gen of consoles. If they had taken a hit in pricing on their chips they would had gain so much more in PR and advertising...greedy morons.

[Cam977]

It's just jealousy. I bet Nvidia have lost millions due to missing out on helping with the PS4. That's their own fault. As said before, Nvdia IS on her period; wait, that's an understatement.

[Irishguy95]

Again with the stupidity.

Nvidia haven't slammed anyone. It's titles and articles looking for hits. Fanboys are dumb enough to believe it.

Maybe Nvidia should lie about the Ps4's power when they get asked about it right? Getting asked and then Stating how powerful the Ps4 is...is not slamming it.

Ask anyone with a bit of knowledge of Hardware and they'll tell you the same thing Nvidia did. Are they trolls? Are they 'slamming it'? No. It's just stupid people thinking 'mid range'(low CPU/mid-high GPU) is somehow a bad thing

[LessThan2Tflops]

What's outlandish about what they said?

[catf]

It's weighty for them to be outspoken in such a derogatory manner toward a recently announced machine.

It's not surprising, but would they do better being more reserved? It sort of sounds like;

'Yeah well, we didn't even want your stupid contract anyway, because it's stupid. We'll make our own console, with blackjack... and hookers..'

Not that global companies coming across as children is anything new either...

[SilentNegotiator]

Well, LessThan2TFlops (you obvious troll, you), it's more the context. When they lost out on an important contract with a corporation that pushes several dozens of millions of pieces of hardware in a few years time with only small changes....they went to demeaning their competitor's work.

They didn't go on about how "low end" their own console work was. But now that they've been squeezed out of the market for demanding too much of the pie...

[MASTER_RAIDEN]

"with blackjack....and hookers!!"

greatest futarama quote to date.

[Fishy Fingers]

This story has been blown waaaaaaay out of proportion.

[adorie]

Much like most of everything else. These articles remind me of The Gods of Olympus. Stop caring or believing them and they will go away, unnoticed.

[talisker]

People who had Shield in their hands say it's an ergonomic disaster.

[kneon]

You don't need to have it your hands to see it's an ergonomic disaster.

[Derekvinyard13]

Agree

[4lc4pon3]

Nvidia is just pissed off that they lost the contract. I love intel/Nvidia but the tech comes at a price. Nvidia is not cheap so I'm glad they used amd

[Gamer-40]

But is power everything?
I think the answer, no.
Look ps2, Wii, 3DS.

[SAE]

Power evolve gaming . But we simply can't offered that. It's that simple. There was a time when i couldn't offered the ps2 so it's the same with high end pc gaming. I don't like when people say we don't need more power like if the ps4 will last for years without the need for better tech.

Ps4 will be powerful for 2 years and then it will be another ps3 but with more power. Developers will want better tech. It's not really limitless. Few games already use 6GB of ram in pc. When the ps4 release that will be normal to achieve and developers will want more.

Can't wait for the ps4 though. It's gonna bring us one of the greatest games ever >.<. The last of us, Beyond:two souls are already evolving gaming so imagine what we will get in the ps4. It makes me scared T_T , lol...

[Gamer-40]

Power evolve gaming, yes, first the graphics. Not always gameplay, design and story.
Nice graphics cool thing, but is not everything.

[SAE]

Well. That depend on the developers. If whether they want to focus on gameplay or graphics or both together. But that's right. At first of each generation a lots of games focus on graphics to say the game they have more special. But more power means better gameplay too.

Battlefield 4 and GT6 will prove that ^^ . Just imagine what naughty dog would do on ps4 >.<. I wish if they make jack 4. Vita will get the hd collection ^^ so maybe it's a sign lol . Jack4 will definitely be more about story and gameplay then graphics if it ever came out :)

[dark-kyon]

this guys only make believe what pc gamers only play games to burns graphics cards and wow to the graphics.to me prety lame .

[andrewer]

I'm a PC gamer and my favourite games are back at N64/PS2, you can't say that every PC gamer is a graphics fanatic. These people are everywhere.

[Serjikal_Strike]

Money is power and I'll be using my powers to buy a ps4 on launch day

[dcortz2027]

LOL good one. As will I :)

[ironmonkey]

Its just better for amd.

[CRASHBASHUK]

the question is did Nvidia force the ps3 price up too high?

[nnotdead]

i doubt that they where the biggest cause of the original price of the PS3 being so high. bluray and cell development was the cause of most of the cost. though i have heard that Nvidia did kind of take advantage of Sonys short sidedness. they had to pay a bit more for the GPU they bought because Sony was just planning on using the cell, but at the last minute they had to run to Nvidia for the GPU because the cell wasn't enough.

[Leviathan]

The price of the PS3 would have been the same. The story with Sony and Nvidia is that Sony approached Nvidia and requested a xenos shader model 4.0 type GPU for the PS3. Nvidia said they would do it, then retracted at the last minute and said "here you go", have this RSX instead. With nowhere to get a gpu at the last minute they bought the rights to produce RSX chips.Almost INSANTLY after Sony contracted an agreement on the RSX, Nvidia debuts a G80 gpu (which is exactly what Sony ordered to begin with).Nvidia BURNED Sony by giving them an inferior GPU AND charging them the same for it.

Nvidia screwed themselves out of the contracts, not the other way around.

[N0S3LFESTEEM]

What Nvidia is saying is correct technically... irregardless it's still a jump up from current gen specs. The CPU their using may be comparable to something on the low end but it's more than adequate for a console and a lot easier to program for than the cell. Computer tech is on a different level than it was when 360 and PS3 were released so it would a cost a lot more to match what a high end rig is capable of. Unless your willing to spend $800+ on your consoles this time around I would just settle for what they've managed to put together which is a rather good deal. Right now PC games are based around their console counterparts... let me reword that... PC gaming is being limited by 6-7 year old tech which all of the engines have to cater too. To give you some examples BF3 on PC still has the same amount of destruction that the consoles are capable of, Farcry 3's AI is the same on 360 as it is on a $2500+ PC with dual 690's and a 3920x, and there are plenty of other things that are obvious as well but I'll spare you since this is turning into a wall o' text... Once that minimal bar is raised that the current consoles are holding on too then everyone will benefit.

[CaulkSlap]

This is exactly why I'm excited about the next-gen consoles. Consoles have been holding back game developers for a very long time now. No matter how much better graphical fidelity PC hardware gets you, the basic game was designed to run on an Xbox from 2005 with 512mb of ram. Skyrim looks much prettier on PC, yet people fail to realize is that its basic design was heavily limited from the start. It's not about the graphics this time, it's about everything else better hardware gives you. World detail and interaction being key. What's been possible with physics engines and what we've seen in games has not matched up thanks to outdated console hardware.

PS4's specs are very encouraging imo. They hit about all the right areas to make the absolute most powerful PC gaming hardware you could in the console price range. It's nothing to brag about as a high end gaming rig but it's a dedicated system tailor made to be suited for gaming. And I think people are really underestimated the advantages of an APU with shared RAM for a dedicated game console. They're going to get a whole lot more out of PS4's specs than what appears to be much higher end hardware of today.

[jmc8888]

Here's the downside from the PC perspective....PC's are starting off much more powerful compared to consoles this generation compared to last generation.

Which means as PC's continue to increase power, it'll take a shorter amount of time to be 'limited' by the specs of the consoles. Thus in 7-8 years if the PS4/720 are still the consoles being sold as the newest generation, then PC's will be held back massively more than this current generation.

Of course there's always exceptions as some games are PC only, or start out on PC's then get ported...though some of them have become multiplatform (think Crysis on PC, then Crysis 2 and 3 becoming multiplatform on day 1)

But all the consoles and PC's...yes that's including the Wii U, will have good games that are fun to play.

[N0S3LFESTEEM]

Caulkslap XD... creative. You got my point dead on.

JMC8888... PC has always been stronger when it comes too resolutions and framerates. This gen is really limited by the ram so when you compare a game on PC to a game on 360 you automatically notice the difference in resolution along with higher quality textures on its pc counterpart. With the amount of ram being put into the newer consoles there won't be the same noticeable difference... next gen games will most likely be able to match the texture quality of PC's and if not there would be a negligible difference. PC's of course will take off into the 4K realm which would be comparable to the retina display on an Ipad. While it's looking like some of the Dev's are sticking with 720p at the moment that resolution also allows them to apply any form of MSAA, better lighting, and crazy amounts of eye candy which if they max out that gpu @ 720p it would take a PC a lot of power to play that at 1080p smoothly not to mention what it would require to play it at 4k resolutions.

[gazgriff2k12]

totally agree until we see powerful PC desktop APU's sharing 8GDDR+ memory there will be no pc's to truly compere with the ps4. the ps4 and xbox 720 will be comparable with a mid/high desktop pc with consoles limited to 1080p 60fps for a few years then the ps4 and xbox 720 will hold back pc gaming once again with devs not willing to make a game based on high pc's.

p.s cloud gaming is way off in a global respect

[BigDog55]

Really classy Nvidia!

[SAE]

@N0S3LFESTEEM
Exactly. Bubble for you for being realistic. It's sad that people can't understand what you say though. Or maybe i'm stupid xD. Either way im happy for the ps4 and the pc..

We may not need the tech they are showing to us now but we will need it in the future. So no need to fight each other :P.

[GribbleGrunger]

I agree that this has been blown out of all proportions but I believe there is more to this than meets the eye. Why would Nvidia even bother making the statement they did? Consider Gaikai and what it will offer and you have your answer IMO. Gaikai would enable ANY PC, regardless of which GPU it had, to play ANY PS3 game OR (if Sony chose to) ANY PC game. You would no longer require a powerful GPU. All you would need is an internet connection. This is what I believe Nvidia fear.

[guitar_nerd_23]

Isn't Gai'kai supposed to be powered by Nvidia grid though?

[jmc8888]

Not really.

What they are using Gaikai to do with the PS4, is using Gaikai as a way to stream games in a way that means that you are downloading it in a different way that allows you to play the game as it's DOWNLOADING.

Cloud gaming has significant hurdles and drawbacks, as well as rights/payments/availability issues. Both from the user and the provider end. I won't go into to it here, but the list is significant and hurdles at this point insurmountable. Not just technical, but the biggest factor is LEGALLY and its effects on the game suite available. (hint: you won't have access to thousands of games, you'll increasingly have access to a few similar games in a few different genres).

If Gaikai was really going to do what you think it is, at least during THIS upcoming long console generation, why would Sony put out the specs it did, when to run gaikai they could have something about the cost of the Wii U to work.

[Leviathan]

guitar_nerd_23 IS RIGHT. http://www.nvidia.co.kr/con...

Do you even google?

[Zha1tan]

Loving reading these arguments back and forth between poverty gamers that can't afford both a PS3 and a PC.

Desperately trying to prove the other wrong which platform is better.

"but you have to derpa herp! spend thousands on PCs every year"

False

"Derp the PS3 has a herpa crap GPU"

False the GPU for the PS3 has not been revealed.

[KillrateOmega]

I think you mean PS4, not PS3. Dumbass...

[josephayal]

i trust in NVIDIA

[Leviathan]

The only thing I trust are my two German Shepherds.

[xXKingofStingXx]

Power is not everything.

Fact is at the end of the day I'm going to play the same game on my console that someone with a high end PC will.

A game like Bioshock is just as good on the PS3/360 as it is on a high end PC. The same can be said about an uninspired and boring game like The Walking Dead: Survival Instincts, it will remain boring and uninspired regarless of how "pretty" you try to make the graphics.

NVIDIA may be right and the PS4 is outdated on its debut day, but it wont stop developers from making great and crappy games all the same.

[landog]

@kingofsting,

i would disagree, you are NOT playing the same game, you are playing a low-res, jaggie covered, slow/bad performing, screen tearing, sub-hd version.....basically you are playing what looks and runs like alpha code on a tv from 2003

from ign's bioshock infinate review;

"It’s far from an ugly game (quite the opposite, really), but the low-quality textures, wooden NPCs (aside from Elizabeth), and occasional minor but noticeable framerate hitches are all maladies the first BioShock avoided. It seems Infinite’s stratospheric ambition is a bit too much, at least in the technology department, for the creaky hardware of the aging consoles. The PC version, as run on mid-range hardware, makes no such visual compromises, with gorgeous high-resolution textures, detailed faces, and smooth performance."

and a high end pc can run the game in ways the ps4 never will

2560x1600 at 60 frames look unbelievably awesome, and the ps4 will never do it

the ps4 is basically a mid-spec, 2 year old pc

[gazgriff2k12]

lol bioshock infinite would look epic on ps4 fool whats ya point

[kevnb]

I can watch the same tv show on a 20 inch tube tv or a 40 inch hdtv, its not the same experience. Things like framerate matter alot as well. a higher framerate directly affects gameplay. Ane we do often see better physics and other features people keep saying we dont see.
Anyway I think the ps4 will be fine for around 4 years or so, just like the ps3 sort of was.

[xXKingofStingXx]

@landog & kevnb
I can see understand what you mean, but to me so long as the game is playable I enjoy it all the same.

One of my favorite games, Persona 3, is not what anyone would call a "Powerhouse" in the graphics or performance deparment for that matter (slowdowns, muddy graphics, the list could go on) but the game as a whole was and still is to atleast to me; amazing. I'm sure the game would look and run 100x better on just about any gaming PC, but at the end of it all its still the same game, just enhanced.

I'm not denying that what either of you said, in fact I agree with most of it. The more resources you have the better, but if your core material was great to start with then everything else is just extras.

[seanpitt23]

Nobody actually knows whats under the hood of the ps4 yet...

[jmc8888]

Yeah they do. They announced it already, and even gave it's TFlop performance.

1.8 TFlops. Which is basically like a GTX 580 slightly overclocked, or a GTX 660 (~$200-220 graphic card). Meanwhile the GTX 700 series will be out by the time the PS4 launches...which should erase any console latency advantage. (as the OS overhead of consoles is huge and comparable to a PC, optimization of PC drivers eliminates console optimization advantages, and

The 8 core CPU is not even close to a low end i7 from 2008 with only 4 cores when run only at clock speed (when just about everyone overclocked them 30-50 percent).

The GB's of the GDDR5 is too much for the console's power to push and includes the ~2 gb's the OS will take...so it's giving fanboys and ignorant people false hope. It's still the correct amount of ram to use given the densities available for them to use (4gb's would have been too little). Though we also don't know what KIND of GDDR5 ram it will use. When you consider the massive volume needed to supply 8gb's to millions of consoles, odds are it's going to be the low end, easily binned GDDR5, and not the higher performance variety used in graphics cards of PC's. (which isn't a big difference, but a decent one).

Meanwhile PC's will be using GDDR6 next year (though I am interested to see if the initial GTX 700 series uses it).

I'll still be preordering a PS4, but I like to know and explain to people so THEY KNOW exactly the situation they're getting themselves into.

How many people bought a PS3/360 early on thinking they'd be gaming at 1080p only to find out they were gaming at 588p.

[seanpitt23]

I do agree with you but there will be something that Sony hasn't old us yet like AMD said its the most powerful GPU they have ever made plus Sony put some special touches and used there own technology to make it somewhat special aswell but time will tell.

[kevnb]

nvidia saw this as an awesome time to get people talking. its working. AMD is bleeding money and will probably continue to do so, they are desperate as hell.

[dcbronco]

AMD is bleeding money now. But they have several APUs coming out that are better than anything else out there for tablets. They will corner the fastest growing part of the PC space. Phones should soon follow. Once people see what their APUs are capable of on the consoles with optimized software and they make their APUs work with discreet GPUs it will be game over.

[GABRIEL1030]

The desperation of AMD is the key of the success, they will develop and will make devces with great performance for a less price, not only for PS4, also Xbox infinity, PC's and tablets and maybe for others Sony's devices like Xperia smartphones. Nvidia will learn that in business the prepotency is the worst enemy, look that happened with PS3.

[dcbronco]

I'm not sure why AMD is considered desperate. They took a different direction on the same route everyone else is taking. And from the looks of it they are going to be the first to get to the destination. Just because they appeared to be losing the race, it doesn't matter. It a long race.

[FAT MAN GO BOOM]

Of course they are pissed... first they went with Xbox than ATI took over for the 360 and Nvidia went to Sony...

Now the ps4 and next are both going with AMD which was bought out ATI...

Not only are both systems going with AMD GPUs but MS is going with a AMD CPU and PS4 is going with a modified AMD APU

they ave been locked out of the console products all together... HUGE lose in revenue...

So would you not be pissed that you are losing millions to a competitor you had thought you had the market on...

Nvidia was dominating for a while there in the PC market with this... You will see AMD catch up or pass Nvidia in the next in revenue and with it maybe able to threaten Nvidia on the PC market with the extra cash flow...

I think AMD is even supplying the WII U

so I mean think about that is a hell of a lot of product being sold that nvidia is locked out of...

[dcbronco]

This is more proof that Nvidia didn't let AMD have anything when it comes to providing GPUs for the consoles. They lost and are lashing out. And they know that AMDs tablet solutions are better than anything they have to offer also. That would strangle Tegra 4 in it's crib. Nvidia may be doing well right now, but the times they are a changing.

[TheKayle]

nvidia could be in damage control against amd...but a thing is true..and im not talking as a pc fanboy....but as a tech fanboy

the ps4 have nothing of custom..is an pc architecture + unified ram ..this "unified pool" take all the advantage and disadvatage of the design......the cpu will suffer the ram latency (on gddr5 can be 300 to 500 cycles ..while on ddr3 usually is 66-100)..and gpu can fly with that enormous bandwith

now the pc architecture thinked good to resolve this manteining ddr3 for the cpu and putting gddr5 on the discrete videocard the problem still is the bus (connection cpu - gpu)

now the future tell us that cpu and ram will be stacked on the same chip

we know that ps4 dont have this design...

we know also from all the patents we can read on google patent that the future isnt on discreete gpu but in multi cpu that work ala gpu..(or just gpu chips that can run x code)

so yeah the ps4 is an old design with low end tech inside...

and if sony as they use to do ...hope to have a long life console cycle like the ps3 did...i really dont know with this design ...where they can go....

doing an example ..the cell architecture was x100 more foward looking than ps4 design.......we seen first years developer "learning the machine" and after 3 years we seen what the console was capable of....(same words r fro the xbox)....in the ps4 theres nothing to wait to push the system to his limit...is an x86 architecture with a mobile processor and a off the shelf videocard......developer use this type of systems from 40 years

theres nothing wrong with this..u spending something like 400/500 euro for that ...and is a good price for the exclusives sony will put out

i HOPE (:D or maybe im waiting to see) the next xbox will have a custom cpu and custom design ...coz console MUST be this (in my opinion) and not copy a pc architecture that never can reach to compete with (and if i was a sony fanboy i would ask myself why nvidia dosnt talk in general about consoles....but only about ps4....and pls dont tell me they dont know what the next xbox will be)

so imho from a tech point..the ps4 is really nothing to dream on about...and nvidia just said a sad true

[Skynetone]

PS4 is nothing but custom

8 gigs of gddr5/custom controller/custom menus/ custom security/custom chip for the record fuction

i dont know how more custom it can get

in regard to the cpu power an i3 cpu does exactly same fps as an i7 cpu in battlefield 3, the ps4s 8 core cpu will have no problem, even if it is a low end cpu

the gpu in the ps4 may be low to mid, but it will still be pumping out high end graphics

pc will always be ahead, and in many ways a beta test for the next consoles

[strifeblade]

your response is very faboyish. the guy above had a very interesting read. when u mention the playstation controller as custom or or playstation interfaces show how weak your arguments are.

with the current simple ps4 architecture you will see ppl maxing the console in its first year, it wont be progressively better from year to year. not saying its a bad thing but graphics may grow a little bit stale much faster this nexgen kind of like the last 2-3 years both xbox/ps3 game graphics barely saw an improvement.

so ya the jump in tech that we saw from ps2-ps3 or xbox- 360 wont be nearly as big of a jump when we go to ps4 or xbox- its still a jump but much smaller compared to last gen.

[TheKayle]

mc_kool_k
trust in me u just have no idea of what u r talking about..sorry.....custom menus?!?! wtf haahah

let put in this way..cpu can do most of the time pyhisics and ai, an i3 can do lots less ai than an i7
8 jaguar core can barely compete with something between an i3 and a i5...so ps4 can do less than the half of the ai than a NOWDAYS pc......put this idea in the next years of life of the ps4 with all the new cpu coming from intel/amd and u will understand how much is already outdated

i repeat the only custom thing that i see in the ps4 design is the unified pool of ram....with advantages and disadvantages

the gpu is JUST an low mid (right now ...next year just low...in 2 years TOO OLD) videocard...i got a sli with 2 evga 660 ti oc system...and each one can do 2.5tf (excluding the cpu that is already more powerful than 8jaguar cores)and as u see 1 660 is already more powerful than the entire combo ps4 cpu+gpu 1.84tf.... after the 660 we already have 670- 680-690-titan...i mean 660 itself is already outdated....u understand this right?
if im not right a single chip titan can do something like 5.4 teraflops this mean that in 3 years when this gpu will cost 350 euro can perfom x4 times faster than a ps4 ...so forget about long console life cycle
or maybe sony will pay developers to keep down games specs ....not pushing the pc hardware and this would be so soooooo sad ( but sadly already work like this) the difference is that last gen ps3/x360 consoles was foward looking ahead of a pc architecture...now..at least the sony one is already old

and nvidia is right ..sorry

only exclusives can save sony this time

[LAWSON72]

They are hardly calling it trash they are just being realistic and pointing out the ps4 is far from a higher end pc.

[GABRIEL1030]

Thanks to Nvidia the game divisions of Sony (PS3) and Microsoft (original XBOX) were in the edge of bankruptcy, they had red numbers for four years and with incredibles deficits. And now when nobody wants to pay their expensive products, they are talking nonsenses.... Get lost Nvidia, you are out from the next generation ¡

[Rhaigun]

All anyone needs is a mid level card. The industry is pushed by console tech.That's where the money is. There is absolutely no reason for a Titan right now. Unless playing at 100 fps is important to you. Nvidia can be as mad as they want. But,really this is more about the industry being decided by console tech while they watch from the side lines and hope that PC gamers don't catch on.

[Pillsbury1]

NvidiA you need to stfu and stop being butt hurt.

[STEWIE_PLAY_PS4]

Both I have no idea.... ADM and nvidia total in cpu? combo best play... Who care?

[DonFreezer]

OMG Power is worthless if it's going to make Nvidia look good and the holy grail of the 21sr century aka PS4 bad.But when the 720 is rumoured to be less powerful power matters and it's so important huh?Maybe the ps fanboys are butthurt and not N-Vidia?

[Tzuno]

Nvidia Slam PS4, But Is GREED Everything?

[imchuckbass]

The idiots on this site never fail to amaze me. You might think Nvidia are 'butthurt', but in reality they're just trolling you because they know they're better. You might think millions of cheap ps4 processors is a big sale, but Nvidia makes supercomputers, and have a huge presence in mobile. There is FAR more money in those things than the ps4. It ain't worth their time to make stuff for the ps4 because they'd get less money, because it's a cheap part

AMD got the contract because they're cheap, and have no presence in more lucrative markets like mobile.

[Gamerita]

i'm ati fan so i'm super glad PS4 will have ati hardware this time,no more washed out colors,no more jagged edges (poor AA),games going to look & play the way they meant to be. :)

[grimmweisse]

At this point Nvidia just needs to shut up. Seems like every few days they come out with some statement regarding Sony in a negative light. Seems like sour grapes to me just because Sony didn't go with their gpu for the PS4. Just move along Nvidia and stfu!

[Father Murder X]

Why is it any of their business about the Ps4? Just because Sony didn't want half the cost of the Ps4 going to the graphics card doesn't mean the the Ps4 is crap.

[NateCole]

All i know is once sony devs ND in particular start releasing games on the PS4 it is going to be so good that they will be enjoyed by millions and win so many awards.

Power and specs will not be highlighted.

[ssbains]

Slam all you want nVidia the next gen gaming belongs to AMD. Stop trying to ride the free press of next gen consoles, cos your not in the games!

[SITH]

Nothing in this article suggest Nvidia has added one single thing to the AMD console debate beyond what has been known for weeks, yet you kids act like they are still talking about it. This magical ongoing debate is in your heads.

[Miacosa]

Power and specs aside these NVIDIA attacks seem childish even if there is a tinge of truth since, all 3 console makers moved away from NVIDIA this time around. It jut screams of a PR damage control of sorts regardless of how they are trying to frame to conversation.

[Daze311]

do you people not see the fact that Nvidia was going to cost the consoles too much money because of the fact that they had to buy a different processor and then buy a Nvidia card to put into their machines. So the cheaper way was to go to AMD and have them shell out a cheap processor and the GPU card right on to it. Its a money game people! I am happy for the fact that they are putting better cards and processors in the consoles but to them its about making a good machine for a low price.

[ATi_Elite]

The PS4 is equal to a Low/Mid Range PC.

So much Hype for the PS4 but NO HARD SPECS on it's GPU have been made except it can do 1.84 tFlops which equals a HD7850m

That chip on High settings CAN NOT do Battlefield 3 on ultra at 1080p 60fps

Then we have DICE come out and say BF4 PS4 will be 720p @ 60fps

So Sure Nvidia is down playing the PS4 cause it's filled with AMD parts. What are you expecting them to do jump up and down and say they love it.

This is all about Nvidia vs. AMD not Nvdia vs. PS4