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Will the new consoles mean the end of the PS3 and 360?

The 360 and PS3 aren’t going away anytime soon. The common perception is that even with the new generation of consoles coming this year, gamers will see continued support for the 360 and PS3. The big question is why? There was evidence of this support two generations ago when the 360, PS3, and Wii were introduced, but will it last longer this time around? What sort of games can gamers expect to be released on the new consoles as well as the ageless PS3 and 360?

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fermcr2055d ago (Edited 2055d ago )

Yes, Sony supported the PS1 and PS2... but as for the PSP, Sony dropped their support even before the Vita launched.

EDIT: Tell me one relevant (or AAA) game for the PSP made by Sony in the last year or so?

miyamoto2055d ago

not true

PSP are still being supported worldwide
it still have many games being made for it
it has even outlasts the DS today
it has outsold the Vita for some time
its even outselling the Wii U in Japan

MysticStrummer2055d ago

*looks at PS2 sales after PS3 released*

No.

GribbleGrunger2055d ago

*looks at PS1 sales after PS2 released*

Definitely, No.

MikeMyers2055d ago (Edited 2055d ago )

Playstation One - Over 100 million units sold. It's competitors were the Sega Saturn which sold only 9.4 million and the N64 which sold 32.9 million. That means they outsold their competitors by more than 3-1.

Playstation 2 - Sold over 150 million. It's competitors were the Dreamcast at 10.6 million, the Xbox at 24 million and the Gamecube at 21.7 million. That means the PS2 outsold its competitors by at least 6-1.

Playstation 3 - Currently at about 75 million. Its competitors were the Xbox 360 at about 75 million as well and the Wii at about 99.3 million. That means the PS3 did not outsell their competitors and nor did they dominate the software sales.

Anyone see the difference? Anyone care to explain why the PS3 will go down the same path as the PSOne and the PS2? Anyone care to explain why developers will drop the Wii and the Xbox 360 but carry on supporting the PS3?

There comes a time where reality needs to set in. Where optimism for the sake of liking one company over the others starts to get away from us. After the end of 2014 don't expect much if any support for any of those systems. The Wii U, next Xbox and PS4 will be in full swing by then.

GribbleGrunger2055d ago (Edited 2055d ago )

This is actually a misconception. Developers did not continue supporting the PS1 or the PS2 right up to the point of them being discontinued (maybe one or two games but nothing you could consider real support). And they lacked several key elements that set the PS3 apart:

The Ps3 has PS+ which gives Sony an option not available to their other two consoles. And of course the PS1 and the PS2 were static consoles that could not grow beyond their release, unlike the PS3 which can be updated regularly with new social apps and services well into its twilight years.

Another factor will be the Wiiu and cross-generational games. Developers are likely to continue making PS3 and 360 versions of games that come to the Wiiu and no doubt Sony will also adopt this strategy for a couple of years too.

The PS3 will be around for as long as the PS2, if not longer, as Sony themselves have said:

"I've always said [PS3's life-cycle will be] ten-plus years and the only question mark is how long the 'plus' is," House said, adding that "ten years I think is the minimum."

"What we've said many times before and we're confident about is we launched a device that is very, very powerful, that has a whole range of possibilities and that's at the very least a ten-year life-cycle. I know I'm guilty of repeating myself but I think it's always worth pointing out we're still selling PlayStation 2 in its millions around the world, 11 years after it was launched."

http://www.computerandvideo...

I don't doubt them at all.

And please don't call it 'optimism'. It's a calculated comment based on factual evidence of past habits, not wishful thinking. The use of that word actually renders what preceded it redundant because it exposes a cleverly concealed assumption; which I could (but I won't) interpret as an agenda.

MikeMyers2055d ago

"The Ps3 has PS+ which gives Sony an option not available to their other two consoles. And of course the PS1 and the PS2 were static consoles that could not grow beyond their release, unlike the PS3 which can be updated regularly with new social apps and services well into its twilight years."

PS+ mainly consists of older titles that have long passed their prime as sellers. I don't see how that service will extend the system's life when most Plus members like myself will carry over to the PS4.

"Another factor will be the Wiiu and cross-generational games. Developers are likely to continue making PS3 and 360 versions of games that come to the Wiiu and no doubt Sony will also adopt this strategy for a couple of years too."

I'll have to disagree. We are seeing games like Watch Dogs come to both old and new systems but that will fade rather quickly. My guess is by the end of 2014. The Wii U will get multiplat titles but will once again be a lot like the Wii, few and far between that will also be technically inferior. I just don't see them supporting the PS3 and Xbox 360 past 2014 as consumers will have moved on.

"The PS3 will be around for as long as the PS2, if not longer, as Sony themselves have said:
I've always said [PS3's life-cycle will be] ten-plus years and the only question mark is how long the 'plus' is," House said, adding that "ten years I think is the minimum."

Sony can say whatever they want, they no longer have that influence within the industry where 3rd party developers feel the need to keep supporting it. The PS3 did not dominate the charts this generation so it is unlikely they will stick with it and Sony doesn't have the resources to support the PS4, Vita and PS3 properly. They will want to get away from the PS3 architecture and move on to the PS4.

http://www.computerandvideo...

That's fine if you believe them. I just don't see the same commitment since like I've been saying, the PS3 was not the same success as previous generations for Sony. Not in the same dominant fashion. Consumers are far more likely to move on than in the past.

MysticStrummer2055d ago (Edited 2055d ago )

@MikeMyers - "Consumers are far more likely to move on than in the past."

You're thinking about the wrong group of people. This is about the people all over the world who don't have a PS3 or 360 yet. The people who helped PS2 get all those extra numbers by purchasing one very late in the game when the price fell to a point they could finally afford. You think those people, after waiting for the consoles to reach a price that's comfortable for them, will want to pay to play their games online? No. Most will go for the system with free online, not to mention the system with more GotY awards and nominees in it's lineup.

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Cam9772055d ago (Edited 2055d ago )

The PS3, no.
The Xbox, probably. MS dropped support for the original Xbox when the 360 launched.

Jek_Porkins2055d ago (Edited 2055d ago )

No, just no. Microsoft has said they want a 10 year cycle for the Xbox 360. Considering that they've switched focus with it, I highly doubt they'll abandon it.

You have to do more than spout off what others say, the chip that was originally in the first Xbox ceased production which prompted Microsoft to launch the 360 before it was actually ready. They were also taking huge losses on every original Xbox sold, and only sat at 24 million sold. The Xbox 360 earns money per every unit sold, they've released Kinect just 2 years ago and over 25 million people have bought one. Not to mention that the 360 itself is closing in on 80 million units sold.

Will Microsoft invest in any first party games for the 360? probably not, we might see some XBLA games, but that'll be it. Mostly it'll survive with stellar third party support for the next couple of years at least.

Lets also not forget that new consoles are usually outsold by the consoles they are supposed to replace for a while anyway.

*Edit*
This is old news, heres a link.
http://www.gamespot.com/new...

DigitalSmoke2055d ago

Microsoft NEVER made that 10 year statement.
Sony did.

Show us a link.

kenshiro1002055d ago

It's hard to believe that Microsoft said ten years after they just dropped the XBox years ago.

MikeMyers2055d ago (Edited 2055d ago )

The people who mention the original Xbox as some sort of guideline for the Xbox 360 probably didn't think the 360 would still be around in 2013. Yet here we are 8 years later and over 75 million systems sold.

It will be the 3rd party developers that will keep these systems going or not. Sony doesn't release that many games of their own each year and that number will be even lower past this year. Microsofts input will be even less than that.

Neither of these systems have dominated like the PS2 did. So all this optimism the PS3 will repeat history is just false hope.

Jek_Porkins2055d ago

I'm getting disagrees even after I posted proof, it's funny that so many Sony fans believe their own BS so much that they think Microsoft would just give up such a huge, cheap seller like the Xbox 360.

Think of the units they could sell with a couple of price drops? They haven't dropped the 360 in price in over 4 years, a $99 4 gig Xbox 360 would sell great.

They aren't going to just give up when they've owned North America for 25 straight months. Use your heads, this is a totally different situation then the first XBox.

bluetoto2055d ago (Edited 2055d ago )

@jek
from your link
"Microsoft games division executive Shane Kim said the company believes that the Xbox 360 will enjoy a 10-year lifespan"

That's all the link says. Where is he stating that MS will support the 360 for 10 years? All I see is a statement from an exec who believes his company will profit from 360 gold for 10 years.

Sooner or later even those blinded shall be granted sight. MS only jumped into the gaming biz to push their main product, windows.

Ever since they've jumped into the gaming industry we've been exposed to all kinds of nickle and dime practices that only plagued the PC gaming world, online passes,deceitful dlc cons, tacked on online MP etc.

The one good thing they added was console online MP, but look where that's gotten us. Now EVERY pub wants to jump onto the MP cash machine with tacked on co-op/mp with cookie cutter maps/weapons/skins. Thanks ms.

Why people continue to defend a company that only views them as greenbacks is beyond me.

Support doesn't mean to just continue to produce hardware for profit. It means they will continue to make NEW games for the system and continue to maintain and improve your experience.

What good does it do you as a gamer that they are still making a profit from the 360 and live? Are they turning that profit into NEW games or NEW services for the 360? wake up dude.

MikeMyers2055d ago (Edited 2055d ago )

bluetoto wrote:
"That's all the link says. Where is he stating that MS will support the 360 for 10 years? All I see is a statement from an exec who believes his company will profit from 360 gold for 10 years."

Where does it say Sony guarantees they will keep making PS3 games for 10 years?

"Sooner or later even those blinded shall be granted sight. MS only jumped into the gaming biz to push their main product, windows."

The original Xbox didn't have Windows running it. They tried to get Xbox Live on the PC and charge but failed. That was about the extent of tying Windows with the game console on the original Xbox.

"Ever since they've jumped into the gaming industry we've been exposed to all kinds of nickle and dime practices that only plagued the PC gaming world, online passes,deceitful dlc cons, tacked on online MP etc."

Sony's 1st party games have online passes, do Microsoft's? It was EA I believe who started it.

"The one good thing they added was console online MP, but look where that's gotten us. Now EVERY pub wants to jump onto the MP cash machine with tacked on co-op/mp with cookie cutter maps/weapons/skins. Thanks ms."

Microsoft's Xbox Live became mainstream on consoles but online gaming was done before them on consoles. It was the Dreamcast then the PS2 that first popularized online gaming for the console.

"Why people continue to defend a company that only views them as greenbacks is beyond me."

There's a difference between defending them for no reason than defending from the likes of people like yourself who want to make them look worse than they are.

"Support doesn't mean to just continue to produce hardware for profit. It means they will continue to make NEW games for the system and continue to maintain and improve your experience."

They are still making games for it after 8 years. Microsoft doesn't need to prove anything more to you. If you are not a customer of their nows you never will be. They can live without you.

"What good does it do you as a gamer that they are still making a profit from the 360 and live? Are they turning that profit into NEW games or NEW services for the 360? wake up dude."

The better question is why are you upset if others don't share your views? You have other options out there if you don't like the system.

bluetoto2054d ago

@mike
"The original Xbox didn't have Windows running it. They tried to get Xbox Live on the PC and charge but failed. That was about the extent of tying Windows with the game console on the original Xbox."

I'm guessing you have zero knowledge that most devs are hostage to a system that's dominated by MS.

"Sony's 1st party games have online passes, do Microsoft's? It was EA I believe who started it."

EVERY GAME ON THE 360 HAS AN ONLINE PASS, WTF DO YOU CALL LIVE?! MS started this crap, not EA. EA just saw how many fools they could fleece as well.

"There's a difference between defending them for no reason than defending from the likes of people like yourself who want to make them look worse than they are."

EVERYTHING I've stated is a FACT, look it up for yourself! People like myself are trying to save the gaming industry while people like you are defending their stupidity for supporting the cheap choice.

"They are still making games for it after 8 years. Microsoft doesn't need to prove anything more to you. If you are not a customer of their nows you never will be. They can live without you"

wow. the same 4 or 5 games with little to no change and you call that support? Maybe you're an easy pleaser or just like whatever your friends like, but I didn't buy a 360 to play the same dame games over and over. No I'm not interested in the new GOW nor am I interested in the new GEARS but at least the new gow is trying something new!

I certainly didn't buy a 360 to play 3rd party games I can play elsewhere. That's the problem with people like you, you think I'd be making a big fuss if I WASN'T a user? I'm having trouble believing 360 only owners are that slow. They seem to think we all should be part of the problem.

"The better question is why are you upset if others don't share your views? You have other options out there if you don't like the system."

Can you and the rest of your ilk be that slow?

The actions of a few million dumdums affects us all.

The sooner gamers get bad companies out of our industry the sooner the gaming industry can move away from all this microtransaction crap etc. If you weren't so busy defending your low level intellect for supporting a crappy company we'd all be better off.

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Crystallis2055d ago

PS3 no, xbox 360 probably from MS track history with the original xbox.

MASTER_RAIDEN2055d ago (Edited 2055d ago )

I dont think the next generation of consoles means the end of any of the current gen consoles ASIDE from the wii. yes, yes, we all know that the original xbox was canned after only a few years, but this is only because the xbox had such a small amount of consoles sold- MS could get away with this without too much backlash because the userbase is just so much smaller. back then ms could do whatever they wanted with the original xbox because the userbase was just small and powerless. the 360 on the other hand has more than doubled the original sales numbers: not only would MS still support the 360 because of all the cash they could be making from the almost-80 mil. 360 users, but if they went ahead and ditched the 360 the same way they did xbox 1, MS loyalists would have their goddamn head on a spike.
i cant imagine anyone approving ms's practices for a second time. they have way too much money to risk by letting go of the xbox 360.

PS3 is good for a solid 5 more years though. Like always. :)

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