790°

You Can't Build A PS4: Why Sony's Next Console Is Truly Next-Gen And Your PC Isn't?

The PS4 uses hardware that you simply can’t get for your custom gaming PC.Forbes contributor Carol Pinchefsky has priced out a do-it-yourself gaming PC. That the specs are somewhere in the ballpark of the PS4.

Dylila4015d ago (Edited 4015d ago )

For instance, the nVidia “Titan” GPU, which costs $1000 by itself, has just 6GB of GDDR5 RAM, and that’s still all reserved for the GPU. You’ll be hard-pressed to find any PC with GDDR5 plugged directly into the motherboard rather than sitting on the graphics card. This just isn’t how PCs work at the moment, though that will likely change.

GDDR5, while suffering from slightly higher latency, offers a substantial bandwidth boost over DDR3, and given the make-up of the integrated CPU/GPU chip in the PS4 this will translate to a substantial performance boost.

The PS4, on the other hand, houses an integrated CPU/GPU custom AMD chip—the “Jaguar” CPU is not available for purchase yet and the GPU side of the equation is said to be similar to AMD cards running in the $200 price-range. The secret weapon here isn’t either the 8-core CPU or the GPU, but rather how the two are paired.

Both the processor and the graphics card are built into the same chip and both tap into that 8GB of DDR5 memory at once—it’s a “unified memory” setup as opposed to the system your PC uses, with the CPU utilizing your DDR3 system memory and your GPU harnessing the more robust GDDR5.

What does this mean? Basically it means that the two chips will be able to communicate with one another much faster and more efficiently than in a traditional PC set-up. Combine this with the high-bandwidth GDDR5 memory and the fact that much of the traditional CPU tasks will be offloaded to the GPU, and you have a machine that you simply cannot compare to a modern PC.

basically the ps4 is better and more efficient for doing graphically advanced games now than the regular pc with off the shelf parts available at the moment. it doesnt matter how many video cards and ddr3 ram you cram in your pc, the ps4 can outdo it in a lot of situations. the ps4 is not only more convenient to spectate your mates, help them play a game, stream videos to the internet, cross chat with ps4 from my mobile phone or another ps4, its better than any gaming pc for technologically advance video games. ps4 is my pick because i dont have to deal with BSOD, steam, origin, uplay not loading so i can play my games. no risk of viruses to corrupt my games and all sorts i have to deal with when gaming on a pc.

the matey did say deep down is running on ps4
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

buying ps4 day one

classic2004015d ago

Which means capcom is not lying about deep down, the guy came on stage and stated clearly its running on PS4 but lots of people from PC gamers to even playstation gamers cannot see how that is possible lol. Cant wait until E3

8bitHero4015d ago

hmm i also dont think deep down was actually running on the ps4. for starters i dont trust a word that comes out of capcoms mouth unless its "we like to screw over our customers with locked content and the sorts" + it looked way too scripted and pre rendered. but if its real thats awesome.

deadpoole4015d ago (Edited 4015d ago )

Finally an article that explains it really well ... Thanks Forbes for making this article.

Bottom line is ... it's not even about building a beastly rig for as cheap as dirt or $$$$ but its about the games.

Sequel/Prequel of Killzone, Uncharted, Final Fantasy, Ratchet and Clank, Metal Gear Solid, Starhawk, Gran Turismo, Last of Us and so many more exclusive Playstation 4 games that I'm totally hyped/excited about ... and these exclusive games will never be released/available on PC.

So whats the point of having a beastly PC when you don't have anything exciting to play on except some selected multiplats (which will be releasing on consoles anyway).

corrus4015d ago

Actually only PC fanboys not believe that this running on PS4 i am 100% sure

joeorc4015d ago

" the guy came on stage and stated clearly its running on PS4"

exactly 100%

THEY DID NOT LIE, Some Gamer's WERE JUST NOT PAYING ATTENTION!!!!

They Said Running on PS4 "Prototype" hardware keyword is "Prototype"

its still PS4 hardware!

user39158004015d ago (Edited 4015d ago )

Here comes the expert trolls, Simple the PS4 its not trully more higher end than a PC cause all the games are made from PC, the consoles will always be inferior to pcs, now shut up and let me take your money.

PS4 its a great console, so far, but as long everything its build on a PC we have no ground to say its better than it.

blackbeld4015d ago

I suggest Trollers to go built they're own PS4 and good luck with it.

Btw Great read.

darx4015d ago (Edited 4015d ago )

"Sequel/Prequel of Killzone, Uncharted, Final Fantasy, Ratchet and Clank, Metal Gear Solid, Starhawk, Gran Turismo, Last of Us and so many more exclusive Playstation 4 games that I'm totally hyped/excited about ... and these exclusive games will never be released/available on PC. "

Lol! Please PC gaming slaughters what is consoles!!

ProjectVulcan4015d ago (Edited 4015d ago )

Poor article. AWFUL title.

No, you cannot build a PC exactly the same as PS4. But to suggest that top end PC hardware is disadvantaged against PS4 hardware wise...sheesh.

For example the article actually downplays the idea of 6GB GDDR5 video memory on a Titan graphics card, as if PS4 has more. How does it?

That 6GB of GDDR5 on Titan is dedicated. Just for video memory. When PS4 is running with its OS overhead it might have 6-7GB of memory for the whole system. Shared. No PS4 game will use 6GB of memory just for video. Maybe 3-4 tops because for system use you can expect a rough but not exact 50/50 split in video/system memory requirements. Cheaper cards have 3-4Gb of video memory on them now.

PC has system memory in addition, which is typically DDR3 and lower latency than GDDR5- that is useful for a CPU. Latency matters for CPUs. Adding raw bandwidth at the cost of latency nets no real gain in general CPU performance. You can easily dump 8GB+ low latency system memory on a PC motherboard, and have huge bandwidth video memory on the graphics card. Best of both worlds.

Titan also has a ridiculous amount of memory bandwidth, like 100GB/s+ more than PS4. Cheaper cards also have similar levels.

But yet again, this amount on Titan is dedicated, utterly and completely for video purposes. PS3 has to SHARE less, between all the processors onboard. A good modern PC CPU can add another 20GB/s+ dedicated for the CPU.

Titan is hugely overpriced for its actual performance right now (25 percent faster than say 7970 gigahertz, 3 times as expensive), because it is a premium part. That level of performance or close to it at least WON'T be such a huge price by the time PS4 launches in all territories.

"Again, what Sony has done with the PS4 is something that PC builders simply cannot do yet"- referring to an APU design.

Ummm...PC has had APU designs for well over a year now.

The point WHY they aren't in high end PC gaming machines is that it is still much much faster to have separate dies connected by a bus even if that bus doesn't have great latency.

The latency gains of two smaller chips on the same die absolutely does not make up for the potential of two much larger, individually faster chips connected by a PCIe bus. It helps, but its not a magic bullet!

No consoles don't need Windows. But then consoles can't really function as you everyday PC you probably need/want to use either.

Going into the price side is the most dangerous aspect of this article. We aren't absolutely certain of the machine's pricepoint. I have read estimates anywhere from $299, up to $599.

Not only that, there has been A LOT of talk about potential increase in the cost of console games, which surely makes sense.

PS4 will no doubt be able to outperform a comparably priced PC on games when it launches but if the games are considerably more expensive and you end up buying legacy titles again you want because there is literally no backwards compatibility then it could quickly wipe out whatever you might save on the hardware.

There is much debate over this, but in my opinion the article is of very poor quality and my post here is more useful and accurate....

SilentNegotiator4014d ago

I didn't believe it coming in, but the article makes good points.

CRMzova4014d ago

Deep down had to be running on the ps4 even the on screen HUD looks decent though they can simulate that but I doubt that they did

subtenko4014d ago

You can build a PC but can your PC build games?

- Tenko

point is, I want an awesome experience overall and that includes the graphics and exclusive game library.

N4g_null4014d ago

Show me maya running on a ps4 that can compare to my work station lol. This is funny and that article only convinced fanboys.

killcycle4014d ago

the fact that they're even comparable is enough for me to choose Ps3 simply for the great first party games were gonna be seeing.

Also no hacks, viruses, mouse users.
Great

Ju4014d ago (Edited 4014d ago )

And here we go again. Read the article again (yes, you, Vulcan).

He never said that it will top a state of the art top level PC. He never said that APUs have never done before (he clearly pointed out it's widely used in mobile and PCs have APUs for a while now).

He simple points out that with that specific architecture you do not have to follow the path of the PC; with one most important factor: no PCIe and the close relation ship of GPU and CPU which you simply don't have on the PC (yet).

It's not a PC. It's not running a windows OS and it does not have the limitations what a (stock) OpenGL or DirectX API enforces. Simple. No matter if it uses the same parts or not.

Will it ever beat a Titan and 8 core I7, ever? No, probably not. But it allows you to address issues in a way a PC (running a current desktop OS) cannot. How is this so hard to accept? And for the same bang (right now) you can't build a machine which performs and costs the same.

One more note: I think (and hope) that AMD, riding this wave, will release a 4+ Core APU with a faster GPU (79xx) and GDDR on the MOBO. I am waiting for that, actually. I want just that. Just so there is no confusion. It would be a great asset; and still limited by the stupid win API ;) But it's on my bucket list as a companion for the PS4.

bayport4014d ago

Am I the only one concerned about overheating on an "All In One" chip?

Ritsujun4014d ago

PC sissies are mad that video game publishers troll them all the time.

ProjectVulcan4014d ago (Edited 4014d ago )

@Ju:

Article title: You Can't Build A PS4: Why Sony's Next Console Is Truly Next-Gen And Your PC Isn't.

PC doesn't have generations as such, but already has hardware that far surpasses PS4. The title is misleading. Strike 1.

The cost evaluations are based on unknown factors, and conveniently overlook other important aspects. Strike 2.

"Titan.....has just 6GB of GDDR5 RAM"

Just? JUST? Infers such an amount is trivial. PS4 won't even be able to call upon such an amount dedicated to video in games as I said! Strike 3.

"GDDR5.......in the PS4 this will translate to a substantial performance boost."

Boost? Over what? This suggests he was talking about a baseline example, a comparison if you will to a PC with DDR3 system memory. He only mentioned Titan, and Titan has faster memory and more bandwidth. So it isn't a boost over that. He means the CPU, which is what he is inferring gets a boost from GDDR5.

No, it doesn't really. GDDR5 sucks bad for CPU memory. Cache is included in CPUs to avoid bad latency from system memory, that is low latency memory let alone GDDR5! Latency (to main memory) would pretty much cancel out bandwidth gains, as I said. Sony's reasons for unifying this is simplicity and cost and supply chain and manufacturing etc. Not performance over having lower latency for the CPU. He can't even understand why it would be chosen as such, as a compromise.

I could go on dismantling the article just for you Ju, but why bother.

It is fundamentally defective.

RumbleFish4013d ago

N4G was: Xbox fanboys against Playstation fanboys. Now N4G is: PC gamers try hard but without success to explain to Playstation fanboys, why the PS4 will not outperform last years high end PCs...

+ Show (15) more repliesLast reply 4013d ago
thecurseddevil4015d ago

not to mention the low level access that devs have on the processor.

adorie4015d ago

Looking top upgrade to Haswell/Maxwell next year, as I'm going over my brainstorm for the next big upgrade, I'll probably sell this PC for 700-800 bucks, minus the hard drive.

Now, witth that said above, I'm going to pick up a PS4 pre-order the minute it goes live, I've got my phone with an alert that will tell me when, from Amazon and it's logged into Amazon too, so I can make that instant buy. 500 bucks is my budget.

Make it happen, Sony.

Sincerely, a PC gamer.

xursz4015d ago

I'm in the process of job searching so I don't miss out day one. Nobody else is going to buy me a damn PS4.

akaakaaka4015d ago

PS4 makes people smarter and more ambitious!

andibandit4014d ago (Edited 4014d ago )

@xursz

hmm, so you were just planning on staying unemployed if the PS4 wasn't being released???

says more about your life, than your eagerness for PS4.

kenshiro1004014d ago

Yes, because you know about his life.../s

T24014d ago

Gaming rigs can be alot of fun and with upgrades the sky is the limit. The reason I switched to consoles was no time/ money to keep up with pc gaming. Consoles have limits but let the developers find it I just want pay and play.
Therefore ps4 compared to a 1000 dollar pc = great value to me ... Or whatever a comparable pc goes for plus upgrading virus, hardware, etc is annoying unless you have time to really get into it. Then itcan be fun.

+ Show (3) more repliesLast reply 4014d ago
cellmember4015d ago

what a load of rubbish. You could say a similar thing about any past console of the time but look how things turned out. A high end PC of today is far beyond the capabilities of a ps4. The architecture of how the ps4 is configured will only take it so far. 8GB of GDDR 5 unified memory is the only thing respectable in the ps4 specs. Both the CPU and likely GPU of the ps4 at a pc level are considered below mid range and that is just today. When the ps4 is actually released pc technology would of evolved even further. The reality is no console will ever surpass a high end PC and any one with common sense knows this. You buy a ps4 for its games, its services , ease of use and because its a playstation its that simple.

kingrev4015d ago

I agree PCs are and always be more powerful than consoles but tell me one thing, where are the PC exclusives? so far multi platform games like crysis 3 and far cry 3 are the only games that are actually giving expensive PCs a run for its money, but games like GoW, Uncharted, Last of us, Gran Turismo wont be seeing the light on PCs which is a shame because those games have stunning graphics but the PCs will never get the chance to run them, so basically you will be paying thousands of dollars just to play a few games that might look slightly better in the long run which in my opinion just sucks, because it will take atleast two years to get to that point or even more.