Xbox 720 and wii 2 to be here before 2011?

In a recent "wiids" podcast, the hosts mentioned an reliable source, had told them that a fix was on the way for the wii in terms of memory and graphics, and it would be on the market before 2011. Could this mean that the next generation wii is only a couple of years away? they also mentioned that the next generation Xbox would be out by this point.

This source may be reliable or it may not, but the hosts seem to trust them alot. The show may seem small and under developed, but they have had square employees on in the past and a Konami games writer.

[green]

been in this gen for over 2 years now.So buy 2010,will be ready to move on to the next gen

[Anego Montoya FTMFW]

w/ ps2 still going, you can seriously say that.

horrible.

@tough name

you to.

[green]

so the fact that i have been playing my 360 for over 2years,and by christams 2010 i will be ready to buy a new console makes you sick.

Please how can me buying a console affect you or your health in anyway?Secondly wasnt the PS2 on sale for 5 years and some months before the PS3 was released?So that will put it in the same time frame between tne next xbox and the 360.

SO please what is your point?

[toughNAME]

if my computer, cell phone, iPod, digital camera (etc.) all get upgraded typically every 2-3 years...why would I want to wait 10 for a new console?

How does this make you sick?

EDIT - lol I see all you PS2 owners disagreeing with my comment below

[ruibing]

The whole reason I stopped gaming on my PC was because I was tired of making upgrades because of new titles. A cheap dual core is fine for every day tasks, multimedia, and software developer, so I don't see why I needed to spend money just to satisfy a new game.

@toughname
You are obviously a big spender that likes having paperweights around the house whenever a new product cycle occurs.

[green]

so how is your point affecting my next gen purchasing decision?

And for your comment to Toughname.I have read alot of posts by members here who claim to own all next gen consoles,60inches plasma sets,the best 7.1 surround sound systems and 2000dollar crisis capable pc rigs.

So now me with my 32inches hdtv and one console that i dont mind upgrading once in 5 years is all of a sudden an extravegance.

[Anego Montoya FTMFW]

these systems(ps3 for sure) hasn`t been tapped.

why should you move om.

HONESTLY, to me it sounds like 360 supporters are admitting that it`s OVER.

by saying stuff like that.

or ALOT are all of a sudden claiming, NEUTRAL (which isn`t a problem w/ me) It`s FUNNY.

ALAN WAKE hasn`t even been released YET, and you think you should move on.

and MSFT is gonna move on that FAST, they HAVE to make SURE the next one WORKS FOR SURE, if they even want to try again.

and that takes time.

[toughNAME]

I'm a 360 owner. I've never said I'm a 360 'supporter'

New consoles bring better games

So if anything I'm a GAMES supporter

---

If a new xbox is released in 2009 will MS lose money? Yes.

Do I care? No...why would I?

[FirstknighT]

We're talking about 2011 here, not next month. I'll gladly move on by than.

[green]

please can you tell me the normal life cycle of a console before the next gen version is released?
Saturn to Dreamcast = 4years(saturn,financial disaster)
PS to PS2 = 6years
PS2 to PS3 = 5.5years
XBOX to 360 = 4years(xbox,financial disaster had to be shortened as saturn)

So if 720 comes out in 5.5 years as well has it not followed the normal trend?

[LaChance]

Come on man Im sure you bought your ps3 at launch that means you upgraded 5 or 6 years after the ps2 cameout.
So why all of a sudden it makes you sick when other people wann upgrade 6 years later ?
Soooooooo biaised you make me sick.

Edit : the ones agreed with him just proved that they have 0 intelligence and will follow blindely anything that praises Sony.
Are you people as blind in real life ? Honestly I dont see why an intelligent person would agree with that comment because themselves make themself sick since thay upgraded 5 or 6 years later.

[FirstknighT]

It's a good thing Anego ran out of bubbles cuz he's just making himself look like a fool.

[The Closing]

For the 360 5 or 6 years is acceptable, but the 4 year range like the xbox to the 360 is just cutting it too thin not giving developers truly enough time to utilize the hardware, which would be pointless. I'm sure ps4 will be out in 6 years just within the same time frame all the other ps consoles have been released from one another. Launch titles usually aren't any better then what's being released at the same time of the last generation, plus all the hardware kinks that needs to be worked out so if you wait a year from release that would be the optimal timing. So early 2014 I expect to have a ps4 in my household. As you can tell I just bought my ps3 a year after its release.

[green]

What this sony fan boys don't understand is that when their next gen started we had already been in it for a year,europe a year and 6months and for N4G members that got their PS3 around christmas like that HarryEttub guy,Then i would have been in this gen for a hole 2 years.

Just because some of you joined late dose not mean we that have been on the 360 since lunch should wait for you guys to play your PS3 for 6 years before we enter the next gen.

2010 christmas will be a good time to lunch the next gen.

[The Closing]

Nobodies expecting them to be released at the same time. I thought the Late 2011 projection was pretty fair. Very earliest being late 2010, but thats cutting it. It would also be wise to wait a year after that release date as well.

[etownone]

even though i would definitely buy a 720 in 09 if it came out, M$ will probably be releasing it in 2010.

but at this pace, if they release in 09, PS4 wont be released till around 2012. There are going to be alot of people jumping ship again to the next xbox. I mean, look at what one year jumpstart made. Say what you want but M$ went into this gen with the mentality that there is no way they can beat Sony with a ps2 installed base at over 120mil, but they at least wanted a bigger cut in on the market then last gen. The fact that the are currently beating ps3 by around 7 million at this point is a win, no matter how you look at it.

there are still millions of 360 to be sold, price drop is coming soon for the MASS MARKET.

[The Closing]

I think most people maybe not you, but most learned from their prior mistakes of jumping ship too early. As a RROD owner me being one of them. 09 would be a huge mistake.

Just put your fanboyism aside for a second, and think for a moment.

[green]

Sorry but that comment was not made for you.I was typing it and buy the time i hit enter yours had already been displayed and it just looked like a reply to yours.

Sorry about that.

[kevoncox]

MS is not launching the next 360 unil 2011. Please ignore the life cycle of the xbox. MS did not own the ability to produce their chips so they were loosing money on every console sold. When the ps3 has a 150 million user base and your console has sold 35 million, why would you keep selling consoles and losing money on each console sold? It's a hopeless cause....

The 360 however, is a different beast. MS owns chip production. They are currently making money on each console sold( i estimate about 100.00) They are ahead of Sony(the industry leader with 150 million)
I believe that Ms's plan is to keep the 360 practical for 6 years( just like Sony) and then keep selling it for about 2 years after that.
6 years will force Sony to match them 5 years into their cycle. Tech is jumping at a very large pace, If you believe the ps3 will be he only Sony console for the next 10 years then you're stupid. Sony will launch in 2012 or 2011. If you think the ps3 will last you for another 7 years....you an idiot.

MS is copying Sony's blueprint. I don't know why you Sony fans can't see tha.

[godofthunder10]

they had a new ps out every 5 to 5.5 years and it was fine according to ps3 fanboys but now that micro will have a new system out in about 6 years is stupid and they said they will never buy a new console that early but they had a ps2 and bought a ps3 when it came out 5.5 years later,now that's what you call hypercrits and i don't care if it was vice versa they are still hypercrits.
6 years is pushing the life of any video game system,hell every electronic product is outdated in about 4 years,look at computers,tvs,ipods and even br players,hell they were not even out 2 years and they are outdated ,they want be able to play the new br disc that's coming out and some people paid up to a $1000 for one but you don't hear ps3 fanboy say anything about that because as long as it's sony it's alright.
i bet anyone that sony will have a new ps out in less then 10 years because they know that if they don't that micro and nintendo will have a bigger share of the market than they do now.just look at the ps2 and compare it to the ps3 and in just 5.5 years the ps3 is about 6 to 7 times better or more then the ps2.there's isn't any electronic product that will be out for 10 years and still be able to do the same thing as a electronic product that's released 4 to 5 later and i don't care if it's sony or microsoft that said it.
every year they come out with stronger and better computers.you could buy the most powerfull computer tower that they have out now and i'm not talking about the ones you get with moniters and printers from best buy and targrt for $2000,i'm talking about just the tower that cost $5000 to $7000 and the ps3 can't even touch them but the following year they have a newer version that's more powerful than that one comes out.
i really think that sony will still be selling the ps3 in 10 years but they will have a ps4 out before then,just look what happened when micro released the 360 a year ahead of the ps4.mico got a bigger share of the market then they had before,now just think if sony waits 10 years before they release another system what will happen.
i don't understand how anyone could belive that an electronic product that comes out now will beable to do the same as a new one that comes out a few years later when electronics are upgraded in a blink of an eye.i could belive it if it was said around the time when the atari came out because electronics were upgraded a lot slower then they are now.
i wish that all this fanboy crap stop.xbox fanboy agree with every thing that micro said and ps3 fanboys disagree an ps3 fanboy agree with every thing that sony says and 360 fanboys disagree.ps3 fanboys agree with sony that a video game system will still beable to do the same a system that comes out about 8 years later but if micro said it then then micro is crazy.the truth is that there isn't any electronic product that could do the same as the same product 4 years later.look at tvs,when hd tvs first came out and compare them to the ones now.they both could do some of the same thing but the newer version could do a lot more.every one knows that there isn't any electronic product that could compete with one that comes out 4 years later especial 10 years later.the only reason that people agree is because they are fanboys of the ps3 but like i said before if it was micro that said it the same people would call micro crazy for saying the 360 would last 10 years,hell i would call micr crazy to.

[Regret]

I'm still playing PS2. Will move on next-gen on MGS4 release. I'll probably change my PS3 in 2013 lol.

[robbo918]

"There are going to be alot of people jumping ship again to the next xbox. I mean, look at what one year jumpstart made. Say what you want but M$ went into this gen with the mentality that there is no way they can beat Sony with a ps2 installed base at over 120mil, but they at least wanted a bigger cut in on the market then last gen. The fact that the are currently beating ps3 by around 7 million at this point is a win, no matter how you look at it."

I don't agree with many of your posts but I do find most of them to be intelligent. This part I have to disagree with. You say a lot of people jumping ship again, yet where is your proof they have so far? X360 hasn't reached WW lifetime sales of Xbox and until they do they haven't taken anyone from any console technically speaking (from a numbers standpoint). I do agree that MS probably managed to take some, but until this gen ends we won't know how many.

The fact X360 has sold roughly 7-7.5 million more than PS3 currently says nothing other than they were out for an entire year with no competition.

Again, I feel most your posts are well thought out but this one I just don't agree with for the most part.

[toughNAME]

I'd prefer '09

[Time Lord]

...

[Creepa at GameManx]

I would too if my console constantly had the RROD

[etownone]

yep, i would prefer 09 also. Bring on the 720 but keep the 360 around to capture the whole market like Sony is doing right now with ps2 and 3.

being i had a 360 since launch of 05..... 09 seems just about right for me. Technology is moving way too fast.

if you guys that bought a ps3 on launch want to wait another 6-7 for ps4, then more power to you.

[The Closing]

If you have that kinda of money. I guess you're just unaware of the reasoning behind consoles in this day in age.

[Surfman]

...
would prefer to pay for a console which can be alive during more than 4 years, like the GC and normal Xbox. The PS2 is still alive even after 8 years: that's good investisment, I'm sure my PS3 is going to be the same thing, and i enjoy it.

[SUP3R]

Of course you 360 owners would prefer to have a new console in 09 because your current console is blatantly showing its' inferiority.
I think it's a level of shame that you want to cast aside in favor of a new system to boast about, that will most likely end up in the same kettle of water as the current console.
You all are sounding as if you're putting up the white flag with the 360.

[Anego Montoya FTMFW]

1. In a years time the WII won`t look so cool, anymore.
2. 360 can`t get their HARDWARE problems together.

that is NOT enough grounds to want to proceed.

and it`s makes me cringe, thinking those are the reasons.

[SUP3R]

Microsoft has no vision for hardware, hence the reason for upgrading every 4yrs.

[PirateThom]

Microsoft have already engrained it in people's heads that consoles can only last for 5 years.

So, by 2009, they'll be ready to drop support of the 360 and move on to their new console in 2010.

[hades07]

Preferably 2011 would probably be the best bet for MS, and release a redisgned 360 this year much like the PS2 slim. There probably won't be a huge graphics upgrade so if they make the next xbox completely backwards compatible with all the features of the 360 I dont mind upgrading to the next system. Sell my xbox 360, get the new hardware and keep most of my games and start with an already decent collection, sounds good to me.

[steviepeas]

more so that the new xbox is coming so soon, i paid alot of money for my xbox and its gonna be obselete in a few years. the wii's alrite cos its was cheap, but still, the ps3 is gonna be around for like 10 years, so least ive got me moneys worth there.

[SacT0wnF1n3st]

I don't think MS will be calling their next-gen console 720 because there are people out there might think it will only good w/ 720p games or something to do w/ not at full HD. Just a thought.

[etownone]

probably Xbox-X1000, like the terminator.

or Xbox 1080

[PopEmUp]

180

[GETPWNZORED]

Ha. Oh, you made a funny.

[GETPWNZORED]

Because pwning your pathetic waste of flesh is more fun! Hehehehehe.

[JVIDICAN]

meant it as a joke =P lol

[GETPWNZORED]

Me too, HEHEHEHHEHEeheheheHEHehhe,

[No FanS Land]

Every console is plagued with big issues (Xbox RRoD, Wii Shovelware and uncodable PS3 cell processor). Plus the fact that because of hd consoles , production costs have exploded and developpers are struggling not to go bankrupt but if you look at it, the retail price of the average game hasn't inflated that much. But it will happen sooner or later and if the next (8th) is already planned for 2010, man there will be an inevitable videogame krash or games will be sold at a much higher price point.

[PirateThom]

I agree with you.

It's nice to joke about short life spands, but for the sake of the videogame industry, the 8th generation needs to start around 2012 or we're going to see many developers go under or be taken over by Actard/EA just because of the massive costs involved in developing games for 360 and PS3.

For the sake of console gaming, I hope to hell Microsoft and Nintendo don't release new consoles in 2011.

[poopsack]

I see you take Ea's word for it? where have you been lately. Ea is the only developer that still whines about that. If it was anyone's problem it was developers.

[darkshiz]

What's with all these repeated articles.

[LaChance]

for MSFT to realease a new console anytime soon.
The 360 is performing more than OK and they are actually making money in their gaming section?
Why spend millions even billion to right now to devellop a complete new machine and the marketing that goes with every new launch when finnaly they are doing great in this industry ?
They will ride with the 360 as long as they can and since it still isnt dead though we are in "sony's year" they'll push the 360 for a longtime thats for sure.
But thay have to come up with a cooler name than "720" or something like that.I heard the 360 was almost called "Xbox Next" , thats pretty lame too , 360 is ok but not that cool.

[Eclipticus]

2010 isnt anytime soon. if they say 2010, they most likely mean holidays of 2010 which is just under 3 yrs away. closer to 3 than 2 yrs anyways...

[BestGamerAlive]

Xbox gamers r Garbage im the BESTGAMERALIVE

[permutated]

I think the main problem isn't that it's coming out in 2011, it's just that we're hearing about it so soon after most of us have just purchased a 360 or a Wii.

[ikiru3385]

agreed. id like for devs to squeeze as much power out of these consoles and have as long if not longer life cycle than the ps2

[villevalorox]

lol

[Homicide]

I do see the next xbox before 2011. There were so many problems with it. As for Wii, at the rate it's going, there will be no Wii 2 before 2011.

[Eclipticus]

yaeh i def. see the next xbox being the first one out, as it should, since the 360 was out before the other two. late 2010 early 2011. I would be surprised if its may 2011?
the only thing that would push wii 2, out is graphical power. and since Nintendo, seems okay with it, and the casual market doesnt really mind. i am betting late 2011 or at the latest 2012. there 3 to 4 yrs away. and even than the i told you so. oh why is nintendo releasing another system... 4 - 6 yrs is the norm it seems for all systems.

[GETPWNZORED]

Like everyone else, I'd prefer it if the 360 (a functioning model of the 360) stuck around for as long as possible. What with new upgrades in game engines, new hardware really isn't needed as soon as it used to be. I like my money, but I know big, greedy corporations do to.

[Homicide]

I'm disappointed with your avatar. I expected something more sick.

[GETPWNZORED]

Hehe, maybe next time.

[etownone]

so, if Sony really does release every 6 years, that means we should be expecting PS4 around 2012.

So if M$ releases their next system in 09 or 2010, your talking a difference of 2-3 years before the next gen playstation comes out.

If you guys are really gamers, think back on the great games the 360 bought out within the first two years, so imagine the games and the quality that we can expect from the next xbox in its first 2 years, while Sony would still be stuck with PS3.

either way, as much of a supporter I am for my 360, and even though I cant bring myself to buy a ps3, not just because the quality of games still dont match 360, its the simple fact that both consoles can produce similar games. But i would be the first to admit, Sony built a solid console with the future in mind, Blutooth, HDD, Blu-Ray, HDMI, Cell CPU (even though its still too complicated for devs) and now motion with rumble.

[Lucas22]

of course microsoft ganna releases a new xbox soon.They gotta release it a year earlier than sony or they would be crushed if they came out the same time. How else would xbox win.

[Genki]

Games are taking several years to make, several millions of dollars in costs, and then throw R&D time to get a grip on the console itself.

This isn't PC's ladies and gentlemen, I don't see why everyone is in such a hurry to usher in the next wave of consoles. Let developers get a grip on these machines. There's plenty left in all three that we have yet to see, let's just enjoy the ride.

[Bladestar]

Get a grip on the consoles? uhhh... I know Sony have everyone blind sided telling them that the PS3 is future proof because they can make blu-ray discs with more layers... but how about Memory? Take a look at any PC game in the market... which new games require less than 512MB or Memory? That alone right there.. is the biggest flaw of consoles today... Memory.... You can have a 100GB disc.. and what it is good if the console can only hold 512MB at any given time... (not counting system resources)... as of today any low end PC has 2-4GB or Memory... 2-3 years from now low end PC will probably have 6-8GB....
Also remember many of these console game developers are also PC developers... this is the reason why eventually games are no longer released on consoles because they would have to be too dumb down to run on consoles... I personally Move into PC gaming after 4-5 years if a new console is not released...

[ChickeyCantor]

its around 5 years right? so it would be around 2013 or 14 when we get a nieuw console....

[Bladestar]

I want to use this opportunity to thank my mom for encouraging me to go to college and get an education; this allows me to not work in mcdonald flipping burgers or having to save money for 10 years before I can buy a game console as it seems by many of the comments here...

I seriously feel sad; my heart is broken! forget donating for poor people in poor countries! they should make a foundation for those poor souls that want their consoles to last 10 years...

Anyways... there is a difference between PC gaming where a new video card comes out every 6 months (which cost more than a game console itself) and a game consoles that last 5 years... for those that want to last for every with the same old technology consoles; stick with Sony.... for the rest Nintendo and Microsoft.... I hope this goes this way... it would be nice if companies alternate.. instead of going head to head.... imagine we get a new console between microsoft and Sony every 3 years?
2010 - xbox 720
2013 - PS4
2015/6 Xbox 1080
....

[Eclipticus]

yeah this alternating schedule is something i suggested on here bour 4 months ago . . . Instead of going head to head. come out every alternating couple years. like 2 or 3 years between a console. 4-6 years for same company. Everyone wins~ gamers. developers, and manufactorers. I dont really see a need for competition, other than to push boundaries. I think we all here have more than one system. okay not all but more than 70%. so obviously its not a competition. between sony and Ms and Nintendo...

[etownone]

from what we can all gather ps3 have a shortage of memory, do you guys really think Sony is going to wait another 6-7 years for their next gen? if anybody has the tech to built another reliable next gen system, its SOny. look at how much momentum Xbox got this gen and how many sonyfans turned to the green-side. i just seriously doubt Sony is gonna wait 2 or 3 years after M$ realeses their next gen in 2010 to then releases their ps4.

[sak500]

Agreed Blad + bubbs. I used to buy / upgrade pc components for 300-400$ every year for last 5years. But since i bought 360 I dint bother upgrading it till the cooling system went bad and had to spend 200$ for new watercooling and big gigabyte aurora case. And looking at the latest vgas, not that impressive over the last gen so i'm sticking with my 7950gx2 and hope that 360 can bring me games like BF/COD/BIO/ME/PGR/Halo etc to keep me happy till 2010/11 when the new console comes out. But M$ pls make sure u hv BC sorted out.

[OOG FunK]

meh id like to see a new system around 2010 hell playing the same system for too long gets boring....its the beauty of being born into a world of technology....I like evolving and getting better things....some of you I guess dont...

[Pain]

Lol M$ has to reset the race again eh? lololol Have fun with that kids.

[Genki]

Leave it to you to turn my post into some Sony vs. MS console war crap.

I was speaking on behalf of ALL THREE CURRENT SYSTEMS. Of course, you would be the one to fixate on Sony. Typical.

[tonsoffun]

I am only going to say one thing - 5 year-ish lifecycle for consoles......

Next gen on 2011?

NO SH!T SHERLOCK

[QuackPot]

Yeah, that will become the standard.

Nintendo's not going to spend mega bucks for a expensive next gen and Microsoft & Sony would have seen with the Wii there's no need to develop expensive technology to win the market share.

5 years life cycles.....evolutionary consoles not revolutionary.

The obvious future.....oh, yeah and the play- or X-motes.

[MailMan]

MILKED much?

Jump OUT and Play B3YOND

[PopEmUp]

mean they're the same as a jet taking off

[candystop]

What are you people talking about and especially the lost Sony fans! 1st off 2010 sounds about right for the next xbox and wii but I have no doubt that the PS4 will be releasing also in 2010! Sony wants to come out 1st and be more like the Wii but include a very affordable Bluray player! This or next E3 is going to be a shocker for everyone and the so called Sony fan boys will be converted mark my words lol!!!!

[SSCOOLCHEA]

i cant believe you just wrote a load a of crap and there is 3 dumbazz people on N4G that just agreed with you...wtf are you talking about ? seriously did you read your comment before you hit submit...Since were talking about converting if your so call heavy hitters of games hasnt converted the ps2 people yet..why would you think they will convert now..you xtards fail to realize that everything microshaft do is an upgrade..just like how they upgrade the first xbots to the what you have today the 1.5...the next one will be the 1.7...just like i said the xbots is a half of a computer that sells without a monitor....

[Alcaponeyou]

losers that lose say "redo" or "reset" when they get pwned in a game.
to start over again.
the ps3 is here to stay for awhile and it'll keep getting better and better.

[thekingofMA]

i know this is off topic, but dont you have a strange avatar for someone whos username threatens to act like a mobster on someone?

[Alcaponeyou]

it's artwork, time when i'm not busy pwning noobs

[Funky Town_TX]

I thought that was the standard? Why all the complaints? Oh yea, it's about the 360. 07 was anti PS3 year and 08 is anti 360 year. I would trade up after 6 years.

[SovereignSnaKe]

I could see a new xbox dropping in Fall 2010, but as for this Possible Wii Hard drive??? NO WAY would Nintendo let it go until 2011!, You can't tell me that Technology hasn't evolved enough to release ohhhh say a 30GB hard drive, that could just plug into the USB port on the back of the Wii (as to not take away the consoles sleekness)

[xg-ei8ht]

What 360 owners tend to forget, is that even though the 360 had been out a year and saying it was next gen, the only next game came out after 2 years and that was g.o.w.

Not saying you should not upgrade, but i'd give 360 and more importantly the ps3 a chance to spread its wings.

With budgets already at stupid amounts, i'm not so sure any dev wants a new machine any time soon.

ok 3 years, but i think by that time, either the 360 will be dead, and ps3 already taken over, and titles on said platform will be alot different then today.

If your an upgrade freak then get a decent pc.

Asassins creed already out for some ppl on pc:) and from what i've seen looks even better.

[Saint Sony]

I still have my launch day 360 alive and kicking without any ROD issues so far. It has served me well and hopefully it keeps doing that.

If new xbox comes before 2011, I hope it means end of 2010, earliest. In 2010 I'm all ready to move on to the next gen again IF the change is BIG enough, which I'm sure it is, because both 360 and PS3 are ancient before the end of 2008.

[Figboy]

of course, i'm also guilty of that, but in this instance, you people championing a new console in two more years are selfish bastards.

here, let me explain.

how much did Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo spend on R&D for the X Box 360, Playstation 3, and Wii, respectively?

answer: *MILLIONS (and for MS *BILLIONS, as they had to spend $1 billion just to cover warranty extensions and console replacements because they rushed to start this "next generation" of gaming before it was ready).

how much do game publishers and developers have to spend to R&D the technology they'll need to create games on these next gen boxes?

anwswer: *MILLIONS, if not *BILLIONS, when all the studio's R&D costs are combined.

i may not be making myself clear here, so i'll elaborate some more:

it costs lots and lots of money to make games. it costs lots and lots of money to make gaming *CONSOLES.

if your forcing shorter and shorter life-spans for consoles, just to suit the needs of those few million gamers that just *HAVE to have the latest and greatest gadgets asap, you won't be able to *RECOUP the losses that you took in R&D for your *PREVIOUS console, and make a profit.

in short; it's *BAD BUSINESS, and bad for consumers.

look at the PC industry. no, it's not dying, but it's certainly not doing well as a *WHOLE. yes, you have a few companies, Valve, Blizzard, Epic, that are doing well for themselves, but there are *THOUSANDS of PC developers that are practically *STARVING because the constant need to upgrade and push new technology is making it damn near *IMPOSSIBLE to keep up with the changes. they spend millions upgrading to a new graphics engine, only to suddenly have it be obsolete a year or two later, meaning any games made on that engine will probably not sell as well compared to games that are using the latest engines. meaning less profit for the company, and less chance of them being able to spend *MORE on developing a new engine, meaning that, eventually, they won't be able to *COMPETE in the PC gaming industry, and may be forced to drop out.

the *SAME THING applies to console developers, publishers, and manufacturers.

we tend to view the gaming industry under the umbrella of companies like EA, Activision, Square-Enix, , Ubisoft, Konami, Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo. those companies are indeed the pillars (for better or worse), of the gaming industry, but they are *NOT the only parties involved.

think of a developer like Remedy, or Quantic Dream. just the thought of their next projects gets your heart racing in anticipation, doesn't it? they have talent, and they make *GREAT GAMES. which benefit us, the end user, obviously.

unfortunately, those companies don't have billions and billions of dollars to spend every 4 years making new technology to be used with new consoles.

like in the PC illustration above, eventually, their money will just run out, if they don't have enough *TIME to make a profit on their *EXISTING technology.

the reason why people still make PS2 games is twofold, but symbiotic;

the PS2 install base is huge, but *BECAUSE of that huge install base, there is a greater chance of them making a profit on their technology.

the longer the console is around, the longer they can continue to make a profit and invest in the *FUTURE; in this case, the PS3 and 360.

right now, there are developers *STILL creating engines for the PS3 and 360, for games coming in 2009, 2010, and beyond, and you want them to just *DROP those engines, and move onto the *NEXT consoles, just so you can get your little graphics fix? if *THAT'S what you want, then get a goddamned PC, because attitudes like your is what will kill the gaming industry in the long run, and yes, you do disgust me, considering that i've worked in the gaming industry for 3 years, it's success means quite a lot to me.d

we've barely scratched the surface of what the PS3 and 360 can do, and there are publishers and developers beyond the big money companies (EA, Activision, Sony, MS, and Nintendo, etc) that have a lot of money invested in this current generation of consoles, and the longer it lasts, the longer they can make a profit and - this is important so stick with me - *STAY IN THE BUSINESS OF MAKING GAMES.

i mean, you *ARE a gamer, right? you don't *WANT to be forced to play sh*tty licensed games for the rest of your life, do you? because that's pretty much what will become of the industry if all the talented, creative, yet small companies go under, because of the constant race for the "next big thing."

personally, that's not a future i endorse in any way, shape, or form.

being on the market for 9 years hasn't caused the PS2 to stop producing quality games. hell, some of the *BEST games of last generation hit the PS2 during it's 7th and 8th years (ie, God of War 2, Final Fantasy XII, Rogue Galaxy, to name only a few).

yes, technology will always improve, but for consoles, it's market is *BASED on longevity, as a way to amortize the *BILLIONS of dollars invested at the start of a console life cycle.

i mean, remember when developers were complaining that the PS2 was "too expensive" to develop games for? 8+ years later, you *DON'T HEAR that complaint anymore, do you? why? because the cost of developing games for the Playstation 2 has dropped significantly, due to the longevity of it's lifecycle, and the refining of production processes.

the same thing will happen to the PS3 and 360, if the consoles are given the room to *GROW, and the developers are given the chance to refine their development and publishing processes, meaning they won't have to spend nearly as much money in R&D on the console like they did at the beginning, and other cost-cutting measures.

some of you guy's naivete and ignorance amazes me. but hey, just keep looking out for number one, right? i mean, as long as you get your shiny new console in 2 years, with less games to play than this current generation, that's *GREAT, eh? amiright? amiright? eh?

[meepmoopmeep]

i wholeheartedly agree with you. it costs millions of dollars for both software and hardware companies to advance in technology.

the only ones who want a new console so quickly are the ones who realize their current console is outdated so quickly

[QuackPot]

The Wii is in an ideal position at the moment with its pricing and fun games/unique gameplay with the Wii-mote.

So long as Nintendo leads on price and gameplay, there's no need for a Wii 2 any time soon. Having said that, the Ps3 will likely be US$299 by the end of the year with a large number of quality games and quality net service. So although the wii will be cheaper, casual gamers will start to migrate to the Ps3.

However, because of the Wii-mote controller being unique to the Wii, it will maintain its market share until Sony and/or Microsoft develop their own versions of the Wii-mote.

When the Play-mote and X-motes are released then I guarantee Nintendo will release a Wii 2 not long after which will be an 'evolutionary' console not a revolutionary machine.

And talking about when the xbox 3 will release.....

2010.

Especially with the momentum at the moment favouring the ps3 in securing at least second place this generation.

That's my guess because Microsoft will have learned from the Nintendo's Wii to build a cheaper 'evolutionary' xbox 360 with an X-mote rather than going for a more expensive 'revolutionary' xbox 720.

As a Sony fan, I hope I'm wrong because a cheap, improved version of the xbox 360(BC, with BD, better build quality, more ram, improved CPU/GPU, larger HDD plus a better version of the Wii-mote especially designed for use with FPS) would be a certain winner.

Sony! The 10 year life cycle a thing of the past - evolution not revolution is the future. Make the Play-mote soon and get that price down because things are going to get dirty in the next 3 years.

[Martini]

Live is too short to be playing the same old for 10 years ( unless you are a PS3 fan). Gimme a new xbox in 2010.

[BenderDGreat82]

me and 3 others (so far) disagree with you. Sony has done an amazing job of upkeeping their system to current standards. How stupid is it to buy 3 gaming systems from the same maker in almost 10 years?

[Hartt91]

The Xbox 360 came out in 2005, and the PS3 and Wii in 2006. A 2011 release would mean the Xbox 360 was out 6 years and the Wii and PS3 were out for 5, which seems about right.

Gaming Generations don't last much longer than that. I mean, Xbox 1 came out in 2001, and the 360 came out in 2005, only 4 years.

[meepmoopmeep]

it only lasted 4 years because MS wanted to get the head start on both Sony and Nintendo, hence the problems they're facing right now. and they ditched the entire user base, i'm one of them that's angry about that

[Mr Tretton]

I've been saying this for a long time.

nextbox and Wii2, 2011.

[TheExecutive]

sorry to say this but... NO SH!T

Look for a new Xbox by 2010.

[M_Prime]

I noticed a lot of the talk is pretty much about the 360.. not much said about the WII..

i own only the wii and for me its enough.. I play my friend's PS3s and 360's and my PC if i want graphics... But i do think the wii should be released the soonest.. though i think nintendo will again make it fully backwards compatible and i think they will make new WII2 games that work on WII and WII2.. since the install base is huge.. but thats a long way away..

there is 1 thing i hope Nintendo doesn't end up changing and thats the PRICE POINT and PRICE POINT OF GAMES.. (even though Nintendo does not control all those factors) but i don't see a WII2 anytime soon cause if they were expecting to roll it out they want to at least wait till this gen dies down.. i mean they could make a DS2 but this one sells so well why would u want to go into a new GEN?

Personally where we are in this GEN is prefect for me.. cause everyone is winning.. everyone is getting great games.. I mean each console has its up and downs.. I mean the 360 Dies all the time.. the Wii needs better 3rd party.. the PS3 needs more games.. but all in all we all came up on top as gamers.. so whatever the next console is i hope it does well cause it can only do good for the industry.. i just hope we don't get any more 3DOs or SATURNS.

BTW.. i love teh fact wii games are 49.99 and 360 and PS3 is reaching the 60 mark.. though some WII games are over priced like the SIMPSONS GAME at 54bux.. i rented it and beat it in 1 long sitting. not worth that much.. worst camera ever.

i just hope the next gen won't be like 100bux a game.. i mean thats getting close to NEOGEO prices.. and if people pay it then publishers will charge it.. long live AFFORDABLE GAMING!

[AceLuby]

Think of the userbase.

Do you honestly think that all those people that are buying the Wii are going to upgrade? These are people that have never owned a video game system before. Many only play wii-sports. Given the choice to upgrade and play a 'better looking' version of wii sports, or just keep playing the system they own and I think many would choose to not upgrade.

These are the same people that upgrade their PC's only when their current one doesn't turn on anymore. They aren't going to buy a new console if their wii isn't broken.

[Doctor Strange]

The Wii I could see happening since its in a world of its own but for the 360 I think its too soon.

I just think we this generation there is so much power to tap into that we haven't seen yet.

There is just a rumor right now but I think we'll be playing these systems for a long time to come.

[SubzeroX]

As soon as the ps4 comes out next year then yeah.

[sak500]

To the poster above somewhere saying why all the talk about 360 and not wii. Well wii is catering to casual gamers, no hardcore gamer seriously cares about wii. I tried it few times at my bro's place but the interest waned as fast as one can say this is it?

Anyway, he used it for sometime but ever since they got 360 elite, its relagated to collecting dust on the shelf. You can't even use it as dvd player jeez. Cant imagine this gen a gaming console cannot be used as a media player. So the only people playing with wiis are old/patients/mentally challenged/poor/under 10/over 50/ etc.

Well back to the point so casual gamer will not be bothered about buying console every 5 years. They'll have plenty of wii sports/mario games to take them to 2020

[Mike134nl]

I don't get it when people get upset over the possible launchdate of new game console if you think it is too early don't buy it. Everybody knows that launching the succes of the xbox 360 before the ps4 has been a part of microsoft strategy from the beginning.

[Citizen Cook]

I expect the Xbox 720 by Christmas NEXT YEAR. Same for the Wii.

HA HA HA HA!

[t-0_ot-]

WAITING much?

MailMan - Your not really worth addressing, but, aye, whatthehell, xBots are like Country Cows? That's cool.. coming from a "MailMan." It seems the PS3 fanboy comments gets ever dumber every time they make up a new "joke." But, why don't you go back doing your paper route with your tight short-shorts and tight shirt. I'm sure you like them tight clothes, it makes you feel like a women, and you like it, don't ya?

Alcaponeyou - uhm.. that is correct, but MS is here to stay, that's something I think a lot of people have forgotten. And, if MS releases another console you can bet yo as that Sony will release one too.

[lildave0500]

What ever you duch the ps3 is the best thing to happen to the game world.You would not know about that you xbox lover.

[Citizen Cook]

MICROSOFT.

M$ is RICH. M$ own your PC, they own your LIFE. Sony have already lost. NOBODY can compete with the POWER of M$.

It may not be the 360, maybe not even the 720, but you WILL lose Sony gayboys! With every generation, Sony gets smaller, M$ grow more powerful in the gaming market.

HA HA HA HA!

[SSCOOLCHEA]

How is it growing when every system you come out with is cap at 20-25 million... The next system that microshaft comes out with is going to do the same thing..why ? cause you got the same dumbazz people buying it....Lets put it this way ....I love my ps3 and i got about 7-8 years left.....the xbot 1.7 will come out with the same functions as one the ps3 has already included already , so my friend you are xtarded....and a dumbazz

[BenderDGreat82]

Ha!! The two systems that mocked the PS3 and they'll live a much shorter life than it. I have all 3 systems: the 360 is going to go off for repairs thanks to the dreaded RROD. I literally forgot I had a Wii until I was cleaning and noticed it was under a bunch of PS3 game cases. And finally there's my PS3...I love it. I'm on it every chance I get. I was one of the people that hated the PS3 when it first came out not because I didn't have faith in Sony, but rather it was really unfair to buy a $600 machine with absolutely no reason to back it up. Now, with an amazing array of games and technological superiority, I'm very proud that the PS3 will outlast the 2 sh*t talkers: Nintendo and Microsoft.

[BestGamerAlive]

thats why a new system is coming out 360 is dead

[Rhezin]

Ya the 360 is dead that's why Epic is making Gears of War 2, and Team Ninja is Making Ninja Gaiden 2, because the system is dead. Oh your so right. SHUT THE FAWK UP, RETARD

[Citizen Cook]

Xbox 1 had 25million
360 might have the same, they are LEARNING. First console they have no control over the parts, second they have control but the parts are crap. Third they will have control over decent parts. And Just because the 720 will come out within the next couple of years doesn't mean they will abandon the 360 system as quick as they did the Xbox1. They will market the Xbox 1 toward the younger casual market.

PS3 has what, BLu-ray. the only thing 360 doesn't. But so what? You can't play games on it! Why?
For one developers can't program for it.
Two the multiformat releases are WORSE than the 360,
and Three, you have no decent first party software. Infact, the software on PS3 is crap, like the PS2.

We have XBOX LIVE!!!!!

The greatest thing to happen in gaming since 3D.
Unified friends lists, voice chat, achievements. online co-op pactically as standard now in all AAA titles. Rainbow, COD4, HALO. Fable, Army of two etc...

You keep saying the PS3 will last 10yrs. but so what? You going to be playing it when everyone else is on their PS4's and Xbox 720's?

Nah, Sony, like the Dogs they are, will follow M$ into the next generation one year later, like this time. M$ leads, Sony follow.

Sony are M$ b!tches!

[robbo918]

Until M$ has a console system sell over 100 million units then they haven't even entered the same game as Sony. Nice try though.

[gixxxer]

Too early for me I just bought my "next-gen" console last year...Wanne see the full potential of these babies first before they start making new ones.

[RadientFlux]

I would go as far as to say that all console manufactures will have new consoles out before or in 2011.

The PS3 is the most powerful console out now but with only 512mb of RAM. The PS3 can't possible last 10 years and still not look incredibly dated, compared to what will be available on the PC and competitive systems.

[jinn]

but we just started

[meepmoopmeep]

Let's just hope both Nintendo & MS will continue to support the current consoles when a new one emerges. 5-6 years is a reasonable lifespan for a console. Hopefully MS learns from these mistakes and makes a more reliable console next time around.

[Infolite8907]

its reliable i think cuz really when the wii came out people who had the 360 may have wanted next-gen graphix but since it did not came out with that last year or a dvd player somewhere i read where it said that nintendo some time in the future will make a new wii with better graphix and a movie player i think i heard that on ign.