PS4: 'Microsoft Will Have To Bring Their A-Game' - Analyst

Sony’s PS4 is so impressive that Microsoft will need to ‘bring their A-game’ when they reveal the next-gen Xbox, according to one industry analyst.

Senior analyst with Cowen and Company, Doug Creutz, believes although Microsoft has positioned itself in pole position at the end of the current generation, to compete with the Sony and the PS4 it will need to deliver something special and be on it’s 'A-game'.

[fr0sty]

You hear that Microsoft? That doesn't mean bring A game!!!

[TimmyShire]

Ha ha ha! Bring "a game", actually love it!

[Enemy]

Gonna be hard to top Sony after what they showed yesterday. Microsoft won't have as many real exclusives but the least they could do is keep up with the competition by trying to match specs or better specs. Sony went first, which was pretty ballsy, but this gives them a chance. If they screw up with more Kinect trash, well... lol. R.I.P

[TheRealSpy]

What Sony showed was not that impressive. It was nothing like the leap we saw last generation. I swear you people are so desperate to believe something is true, that you completely ignore reality. Wasn't 6 years of being completely delusional enough for you?

My computer (that i built over 6 months ago) can run Crysis 3 on max settings, and let me tell you, Killzone 4 has NOTHING on it.

MS doesn't need to work that hard to top PS4...but they better work hard to top my expectations. Cuz Sony didn't come close. I thought I was going to destructible environments that are affected by realistic physics, entrance and exit wounds, better looking character models, etc.. Instead, all I got was a bunch of CGI, the inside of a car, and a game that looks like Modern Warfare (Killzone 4) but with better lighting and shadows.

Also, obvious jokes aren't funny. You people want it to be funny cuz you think it's fun to hate on one corporation (MS) while childishly obsessing over another.

[UnHoly_One]

TheRealSpy...

My hat's off to you. That was the best post I've ever read on N4G.

Thank You.

[xursz]

^^ I respectfully disagree. I was blown away. The PS meeting was 100% better than the whole E3 2012. In fact, I'll be bold in saying I can't remember ANY E3 conference which went better.

The games looked fantastic. Drive Club was good. Shadow Fall looked good. Knack was amazing imo. Destiny on PS4 with exclusive content. Infamous Second Son will be a must buy. Blizzard partnership. Social network sharing will be the YouTuber's dream. Literally everyone I showed the trailers to was in awe. And the only cgi footage shown was Capacom's working title. Good try though.

But I'm sure MS will have a successful unveiling of their own. As long as they don't introduce a random celebrity to the stage it's a win in my book.

[N4g_null]

An amd chip would be easy to beat actually just ask intel for performance and arm for low temps.

What would kill the ps4 right now would be a scalable system just like a pc that also let devs put the game tools on the same disk.

Basically they would need a surface rt connected to a custom nvidia that could run all of our favorite tools. It could even run win8 and support steam if you wanted it to.

Photoshop and 3d programs on a game console... Hell I would buy 20 just to setup a render farm for fun. $14,000 vs 200,000 is a nice savings.

Games? How about every thing that runs on a pc and Xbox exclusives so you can keep that nasty drm off you real power system?

What about halo with a map editor, a real one? What about running an unreal 4 engine game and stopping it to run the editor without a pc.

If you don't have the game then give your fanbase the tools. Creat the next 20 notchs. Then pay them like YouTube. Suddenly gamers can afford gaming and many arm chair developers can see what it really is like trying to please gamers.

Specs would be too easy and no one cares about the social network unless it makes you money. Let video games become a virtual silicon valley.

As you can see every one can do uncharted graphics now, so uncharted will become irrelevant. Many fps are better than killzone game play wise. If you want movies then ms could just make you a movie and then let you play the game afterwards, in the locations that the movie took place in.

Then they can experiment with story without it hurting the gameplay.

Something tells me every one will not get a ps4,wiiu,or Xbox/pcwin8 so developers will be porting a lot of games.

So it all comes down to exclusive services and content or tools. Sony doesn't have my money yet. I'm sure a lot of gamers feel this way about each console. It is the developers that I'm worried about though. Can ps fan support exclusive expensive aaa games or will we see a lot more devs closing? We will see... Remember ps1-2 made dev cheaper and devs gave them a monopoly. Is that the case here I think not.

[loki52]

@therealspy- you do realize that was a reveal conference, right? You are not going to see the full power of ANY system at a reveal. Apparently no one remembers (either because they were too young to stay up that late or because they are so old their memories are fading) that the 360 reveal on MTV was a bust that was a half hour long where they only showed a couple of minutes of gameplay that didn't look next-gen, didn't reveal price and was mostly about celebrities.

[mdkgod43]

LMFAO @ A game

[FunAndGun]

That was so cold it was frosty!

[StrongMan]

Nice. +bubble.

MS has a long history of lying. Remember when they said that you can use Kinect to scan your skateboard or any object and use it in your games? What about MS promising that you can play Kinect with four players at the same time? What about all of those hired actors paid act like they like Kinect? What about all of those fake demos on stage? Remember the kid faking the Kinect Star Wars demo? The demo was 3 seconds ahead of him.

MS are liars and none of those smoke and mirror tactics will work this time. Sony knocked it out of the park with a grand slam yesterday and MS will need much more than yellow rain jackets and a circus performance to compete with this.

MS opened new studios named Playful Learning Studios and Kids and Lifestyle Entertainment Studios so it's clear MS will be 100% focused on casual gaming next gen. There is no such thing as an "A" game from MS anymore. There's just "A game" as fr0sty said. Halo. Sony now has exclusive content and day and date release from Bungie's Destiny game which MS also lied about and said it would release first on Xbox. You can't believe a word MS says.

MS's biggest announcement will be Skpe will be added behind the XBL pay wall while remaining free to use everywhere else.

[ThatXboxGuy]

Yep.And i like how Sony had Watch dogs and Destiny shown first.The biggest 3rd party launch games already shown! MS will look pretty weak just showing some sloppy seconds.(Which they no doubt had planned)

Not counting the new games Sony will show at E3.
I think your right.Big focus on skype and other social aspects and some more kinect mumbo jumbo.

And probably yet another halo pre rendered video.GG micro/ninty but Sony already has this on lock.All they have to do is show the console and it pops any hype bubble MS blows

[Kalowest]

"MS opened new studios named Playful Learning Studios and Kids and Lifestyle Entertainment Studios so it's clear MS will be 100% focused on casual gaming next gen."

LMFAO, you forgot to list Microsoft Studios that are making Hardcore titles. And whats wrong with MS making a game that my lil sis is able to play also?

MS and Sony are showing that they can be more than just game consoles(hardcore and kids titles), but Multi-media entertainment hubs(Blu-ray player, Facebook, Twitter, Netflix, Hulu+, Web browsing, apps, Smartglass/Playstation world etc...).

The Kinect that was demoed and the one released are different, so you do have a point with MS lying about it.

[DOMination-]

You got bubbles for that?? Funny how you bang on about lying and then start doing it yourself. MS have opened about 15 new studios. Like, 3 of them are casual based. 100% my arse.

[TheRealSpy]

You have no idea what they have planned. If you did, you'd be working for MS, not dogging them on some website.

I bet you never mentioned the term "sloppy seconds" when talking about all the stuff Sony showed at E3 after MS showed it the previous day.

You people really need to grow up.

"Big focus on skype and other social aspects and some more kinect mumbo jumbo."

Again, such hypocrisy. A big part of Sony's conference was about social networking and always being connected. So why would it be a bad thing if MS did that, too?

See what i mean about needing to grow up?

"And probably yet another halo pre rendered video."

You mean like the infamous trailer?

"Sony already has this on lock"

Based on what? other than your psychotic loyalty to a corporation?

Your insanely idiotic comments, and the fact that you have so many agrees, is proof to all new comers to N4G that this is not the place for gamers. Just for Sony loyalists with nothing better to do with their time than bash MS and build Playstation up into something it's not and can never be. The N4G community has become a real embarrassment.

[shutUpAndTakeMyMoney]

Killzone looked visually amazing! I want to see what tv apps they have to try and over shadow it.

[00001]

haha you had me crackin up with that :p

[MikeMyers]

Good one, "A" game. Bubbles up.

I have to agree, Sony brought out their A game. Plus for them (Major Nelson) to make a questionable comment about not actually showing the system is irrelevant. They showed actual games, they mentioned real specs. The Xbox 360 is going on 8 years now and they haven't shown anything other than how well they do for sales in the US.

I

[Talamak]

Bubbs up bro

[StraightPath]

people forgetting that alot of the games shown in PS4s great conferance were multiplatform games. With all the demos shown was what made a great show.

All microsoft has to do is not only bring their own exclusive games but also showcase alot of mutliplatform games aswell and show the innovations they added to their next console.

Microsoft will have to do either the same or alot to top this reveal from sony.

random ideas

Halo 5
Next Gen Gears of War
Forza 5
Forza Horizon 2?
Crackdown 3
Rare IPS taken seriously ( Full On Banjo Kazooie, Perfect Dark, Conker )
Alan Wake 2
Project Gotham 5
Kameo 2?
Next Gen Spinter Cell

list goes on what Microsoft could potential reveal.

all features PS4 has ala recording gameplay watching others play and addition to all thier innovations and features.

Finally a list of mutliplatform games showcased in their event.

Hideo didnt make a appearance so hmm

Metal Gear Solid ground zeroes and reveal of phantom pain? in Microsoft show.

A ff game announced in ms show?

rockstar makes a appearance at ms show?

microsoft could do alot to top sonys show.

Witcher 3 showcased in MS show? ( afterall in witcher 2appeared on xbox 360 exclusively.)

bethesda game?

next gen call of duty

please microsoft dont shove kinect down the entire show.

if microsoft does all the above it will absolutely kill sonys conferance.

[Donnieboi]

Kojima might be going multiplat, but he's not stepping in MS's show exclusively. Maybe BOTH Sony's and MS's, but I don't see Kojima dissing long time PS gamers by showing up EXCLUSIVELY to MS's event. For what?

[ChrisW]

Fil101,

Wasn't something similar to that said about the 1st Xbox?

[madpuppy]

I thought that activision shuttered the studio that made the Project Gotham series after they made Blur?

[Corax]

KOJIMA WAS NEVER EXCLUSIVE! Look at all the Metal Gear games and name how many was exclusive to the PS brand.
First MGS was on PS and PC,
MGS PS2, Xbox, PC, Vita, PS3, 360
MGS3 PS2, Xbox, PC, Vita, PS3, 360, 3DS
Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes - Gamecube
MGS4 & MG Online PS3
Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance PS3 & 360
Not including gameboy color and other portable platforms

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

Sony gamers just really appreciates Kojima work a lot vs other platforms that hes been on that's all, he was never exclusive to Sony

[MasterCornholio]

And

Kinect titles =/= games

[TheGamerDood]

@fr0sty lol that deserves a bubble.

It's all about dat ram, and unless MS offers up 8GB of that beautiful GDDR5, I don't really see them doing much that will match or exceed what Sony showed off.

[Relientk77]

Hilarious haha

[Donnieboi]

Somebody, give the man a bubble!

[NnT3291]

it will be pretty much like this gen. Ps4 will be more powerful, NextBox is not far behind. Third party games will look very close on both platforms, while exclusive will show the difference.

[NYC_Gamer]

MS better step up to the plate and bring quality software

[muttley65]

"MICROSOFT will have to bring their A game"

yeah, a royal flush, all spades, 3 of a kind, 10 aces, 3 card marly to beat SONY presentation.

GEARS,HALO,FORZA not going to do it this time.

[worldwidegaming]

indeed. They need a new IP.
I would be surprised if Sony leads the next generation in gaming without a fight...

[darthv72]

why make that kind of assessment? Those are AAA games in MS camp much like GoW, GT and Killzone are to Sony.

Are you suggesting that the continued release of successful franchises are a BAD thing? If so then somone needs to tell Sony to STOP development of the next infamous, killzone, possibly even GoW or GT6.

My point is you can have new games showcased but the ones that helped build a platfroms success are a staple that have to be there as well. It is a reason Mario has been so prevalent for Nintendo for over 30 years.

[muttley65]

@ DARTH

ALL im saying MS need more than 3 games and kinect this E3 they need more announcement for AAA game being made.

other than that in my opinion MS e3 wont be appealing event as we all know SONY coming out with CLAWS this time around.
MS need to give me a REASON to buy the 720- kinect and FABLE,ALLEN WAKE,GEARS,HALO games will not do it.

[kayoss]

Those are very good games you just listed. I would buy the new xbox just for those three games alone. Gears, Halo, and Forza are franchise game for the xbox as God of war, gran turismo, and Little big planet as to Sony.
Sony seems to have a handle on 1st party games and new IPs. It will be interesting to see what 3rd parties have in store for the PS4. Microsoft need to bring their known franchise games and new IPs.

[darthv72]

I agree there should be more focus on the games. After all....that is why we buy these platforms in the first place.

now i think i know what you were originally eluding to. You probably were referring to AAA "exclusives" rather than a general statement of AAA games.

honestly, what makes a game AAA is the support from the developer and especially the consumer. Games dont have to be exclusive to be considered AAA.

And if the rumored specs of the 720 are as close to the ps4 then we will likely see AAA games released for both from competent 3rd parties.

When it comes to the exclusives, i agree that sony holds more cards but I wouldnt count MS out of coming up with something new this time around.

We just have to wait and see.

[muttley65]

@ darth

I AGREE

and also E3 will be something big and EXCITING
cant wait to see what MS will announce.

[dlocsta]

You are so right because those Sony exclusives have sold SO WELL in the past. This looks like a Xbox made by Sony.
1. Social features - current Xbox (not needed acccording to hardcore Sony fanboys).
2. Use mobile phone or tablet to view extra game material - current Xbox, it's called Smartglass
3. Improved online (for a small fee) - current Xbox, it's called Xbox Live

Do I need to continue? Yes nice looking games, but that is expected. What would be the point of showing the system if the graphics sucked? The problem is exverything here that is "new" is anything but.

[DARK WITNESS]

i have to agree...

i have mostly been an xbox fan this gen, but come 720 time if all i see has the next halo, gears and forza plus some fuzzy animals that weave back at me, this gen will be my last with ms...

i honestly think ms don't care though, they want to be the new nintendo pandering towards the casuals, thats ok. I think i have found what i am looking for next gen in sony

[iistuii]

"GEARS,HALO,FORZA not going to do it this time."

Ok, But K4 Infamous3 GT6 & Uncharted4 are ok

God you lot are so two faced..

These games on both sides are big sellers, meaning people enjoy them, why not release more of the series. It happens on all consoles, yet you give MS shit for it.

[superterabyte]

Can there really be a launch gears game for the 720? there is one coming out for the 360

[MRMagoo123]

@iistuii

I think you missed the point entirely, maybe you are an xbox fantard maybe you just jumped the gun , but what he was trying to say from what i see it as is microsoft need to bring MORE than just another halo forza and gears no one is saying don't bring them but bring MORE than them. Sony bring infamous they bring killzone they bring GOW but they also bring heaps of other first party games with them and keep making new ones thats the difference. If you cant see that then i was right about the fantard comment.

[Dee_91]

they better not spend more than 10 mins talking about anything kinect related lol.
Im very sure/hopeful they will "show" new ips.
If they do show a new forza I will be ecstatic for the game but I still want new ips from ms.
damn im so pumped for e3

[DarthTigra]

Alot of people keep saying "oh Gears Forza, Halo won't cut it but GT, Uncharted, LBP etc will" Look what each person in rebuttal of the Forza, Halo, Gears comment has said. Not one person has listed the same games. That's the difference. Not one person can even agree what Sonys 3 biggest games are. Yet every comment in relation to MS has been Halo.... Forza.... Gears, the only big games MS has. Forza, Gears, Halo are amazing games, anyone saying otherwise are in the vast minority. But at the same time anyone thinking that just 3 AAA games from MS that only come out in Two year periods can compete with Sony is in denial.

[IcarusOne]

Sony definitely threw down a gauntlet. But I've never been one to get all googly-eyed over exclusives. Most of my favorite games this gen were multiplat anyway.

One of my biggest problems with the PS has been its controller. That's why I tend to lean xbox. But the DS4 looks beautiful. The revamped joysticks and new design look like so much win. Combined with MS's insistence on destroying the second hand game market with their online only approach, the PS4 might become my preferred platform this next time around.

[DOMination-]

New IP

Such a buzz word around here. Guess what? Sony only revealed 1. And even that was ten years id in concept as admitted by the guy from Evolution.

Maybe Sony should focus more in that are because MS have about 16 in production.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

I can see EA, Activision, CD project Red, Epic and 1st party devs making it at MS presser or at E3. People tend to forget this is MS we're talking about, nobody knows what MS has planned but, if we look at earlier events regarding the the 360 first showings. MS will WOW people again and bring something unexpected to the table.

Like they did in the past.

@Xii no they didn't? getting tired of stupid replies from people.

[fsfsxii]

They wow'd core gamers once, and then they turned their back

[007Bond]

Where the F is PS4 backwards compatibility? WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[superterabyte]

Coming with gaikai. Hardware BC with the ps3 and 2 would be too expensive and resource wasting

[WeAreLegion]

Exactly. They would have to put a PS3 INSIDE of the PS4 to run PS3 games. The architecture is just too different.

[WitWolfy]

PS4 and PS3's tech is like comparing night to day...

PS3 has the Cell processor where the PS4 will have a AMD based processor... Was kinda obvious that BC would be dumped completely... The only resolution was Gaikai.... Or porting it.... EVENTUALLY!

[g2gshow]

think about it if sonny is having finical trouble an look what they are bring to the table Microsoft has no reason to half ass they need to respect the hardcore an blaze the trail on all front's.The psn network has really turn in to a beast an the hardware is nothing less then stunning i was loosing interest as a gamer they spark it back up ......kicks dirt at nintendo for trying to slow down progress for so many years still have love for mario

[Donnieboi]

@NYC Gamer:
You always only state the obvious. Never an opinion beyond the obviously accepted consensus. Trying to protect that large array of bubbles, I presume?

[NYC_Gamer]

I don't care about the amount of bubbles..It's the truth MS needs to step up and realize many of us want new quality exclusives..I want reasons for me to buy both next gen consoles PS4 and 720..

[TheRealSpy]

There is absolutely NO reason why Link079's comment should be reported for trolling.

He expressed an opinion, the same as all of you. The only difference is his comment wasn't some sick, immature obsession with Sony.

I'd say you people should be ashamed of yourselves, but I know that's pointless. You wear your obsession with a corporation like a badge of honor.

SAD!

[Dailynch]

Is anyone brave enough to call it now? Sony and PS4 for the next-gen win!!!

(even though we haven't seen Microsoft's effort yet)

[mdkgod43]

Im so impressed by the PS(QUAD) im buying two at launch, also waiting to see the UI and the system itself but you know what i like the UI they have now on ps3 i think they should keep it and tweak it a little

[Eldyraen]

@Mathew9R: I think he means he'd like to see a little more about the UI as it didn't really get all that much attention so they could show the actual games.

All we really saw was a little bit of it here and there and its not the same as a more comprehensive demo. We'll likely have to wait for them to reveal the console itself and have demo kits out for people ('journalists') to test for themselves before we really get to know a lot more about it. Its a small thing as it still looked better and by the sound of it was a huge step up imo.

I'm looking forward to seeing the system itself (as in a retail sales kit) and am expecting a headset to be included since all controllers have the built in headphone jack now. So much we don't know that isn't game related necessarily but everything sounds hopeful.

[LOGICWINS]

Competition breeds humbleness and excellence. If Microsoft doesn't provide adequate competition, Sony will revert back to their 2005 "you'll want to get a second job to buy this" mentality. It's to the benefit of PS4 gamers than Microsoft have a strong performance this gen.

Rest assured, Microsoft will bring their A game. They won't just let Sony take over the industry like many others on N4G pretend.

[BlmThug]

Well said. Competition breeds excellence

[punisher99]

"I've said it before and I'll say it again.

HARDWARE
ISN'T
EVERYTHING

DS v. PSP
3DS v. Vita
Xbox v. PS2
Dreamcast v. PS2
Wii v. PS3/360

The end result is the same in all these cases"

I've said it once, and I will say it again. Sales, are not everything.

[kayoss]

@Punisher99
Agree with what you saying and you show the facts. But one thing you need to remember is, hardware will determine the longevity of that console. For example the Wii and possibly the Wii U. Wii sold more then any console this gen, but look at it now? PS3 and Xbox 360 are still selling world wide while the wii is stagnant. When a next gen is released you can not just stop support for the current Gen. Xbox 360 and PS3 will be support for years to come. Of course the support will diminish as the year go by but it will still be supported. You can not abandon 90 million Wii owners. I just dont know how Wii U will keep up with the PS4 and Next box once 3rd party developers began to make game that exceed the potential of the Wii U.

By the way Dreamcast did not do better than the PS2. The PS2 is still the best selling home console to date. 3DS had a few year head start before the PS Vita so comparing a one year old console to a veteran is not really fair.

[LOGICWINS]

@Punisher- The ENTIRE point of my argument went over your head.

[Kanzes]

The Console Wars has just started.. it's too early to said that

[majedx9]

the second Console War.

[braydox21]

Microsofts effort for next-gen or just overall?

[TheRealSpy]

Brave enough? Every idiot on here is saying that. It's got nothing to do with being brave. It's about being incredibly stupid.

Calling the idiots out for rabid fanboyism is far more brave (though still not brave at all) since it's a guarantee you will all childishly report us for "trolling" and cost us bubbles.

Although, the gaming subreddits are infinitely better than N4G anyway and there is no longer a threat in losing bubbles. Better conversations there, MUCH MUCH more intelligent people (not that i'm saying they are all intelligent, but a brick is a step up from you people), and you get the news sooner...you know...since all the n4g contributors really just camp reddit waiting for news that they can repost here anyway.

[Neonridr]

All Microsoft has to do is bring Backwards Compatibility to the table and they already have a huge step up over Sony competing for my dollars. As long as the next Xbox is similar enough in specs of course.

I was so disappointed to learn that Sony decided to not include backwards compatibility. I was a MS and Nintendo owner this past gen, so aside from my Wii U I was heavily leaning towards Sony this time around. But the fact that there are so many PS3 games that I missed out on, I am not going to buy both a PS3 and PS4 so that I can enjoy all the missed titles. I still have several 360 games that I haven't even touched yet, so if the 720 allows me to play them, then that's one less console to sit on my already filling up TV stand.

A good reason as to why the Vita struggled out of the gates besides the high price tag was the lack of PSP support. That is especially true in Japan where the PSP continues to outsell the Vita. Had the Vita included PSP support you would have seen it's numbers take off over there. Instead, it's struggled and losing ground quickly to the 3DS.

I wanted to believe in you this time Sony, but it's moves like that which keep me from acting on it..

Very disappointed...

[Ripsta7th]

Agreed. People are claiming victory with the ps4, but we havent seen shit from MS. All i know is we can expect a beast of a console, and now that they saw ps4 specs maybe theyll do what Sony was planning. See your competitors specs and beef up yours.

[LOGICWINS]

They don't have to "beef" up anything. Your forgetting that games like COD have EFFORTLESSLY outsold more technologically impressive shooters like Killzone/Crysis etc.

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

HARDWARE
ISN'T
EVERYTHING

DS v. PSP
3DS v. Vita
Xbox v. PS2
Dreamcast v. PS2
Wii v. PS3/360

The end result is the same in all these cases

What Microsoft needs to do is provide value and features that are unique to their console. Microsoft now knows what they're dealing with so they are in a better position than they were two days ago. The people counting MS out simply because the 720's hardware might not be as good as the PS4's are deluded.

[perfectCarbonara]

I don't think it's a matter of seeing what the competition is doing and simply beefing up ? These things take a lot of planning.

I think if MS wants to release the 720 in the same year as the PS4 they need to have finalized at least a couple of things by now and have devs already working with the tech. They can't just say: "Oh lol, look at the PS4 specs, lets do that too"

Not if they want to release this gen at least.

[Ripsta7th]

@LOGIC, yeah true Cod sells regardless, Also MS sells no matter what, bacause of ADVERTISEMENTS. Something they have always done better than sony. Also they got maybe next gen Halo, which will probable break records because of its brand recognition. Im just hoping they put up a good fihgt against Sony this time around with more even specs.

[DigitalSmoke]

It is a victory indeed, for gameingm, and its because of Sony, cause nobody was going to put in that type of ram, maybe next gen.

Now, Microsoft cannot change to GDDR5 without pushing the console back for atleast 6 month's, son, stop being so butthurt and taaaake it.

[zebramocha]

@logic your comparison isn't that good because in each circumstance there was a reason why a console performed well,the ds came of the success of what ever variant of the gameboy was out,nintendo drop the price of the 3ds so we can't compare,Sony's success and marketing prevailed against the dc and xbox 1,the wii had a cheaper price and motion control behind it.

[LOGICWINS]

"your comparison isn't that good because in each circumstance there was a reason why a console performed well"

Ummm yeah...thats the point lol. If there wasn't a reason, these consoles wouldn't have succeeded.

My point is:

WHO CARES what the reason was? That doesn't downplay the fact that these consoles succeeded without having the powerful hardware of their counterpart.

Games, price, hardware, features, value, advertising are all EQUALLY important. Any console that nails most or all of these factors deserves to be on top.

Why do you make it seem like price drops and marketing are "illegitimate" ways of succeeding? Or maybe thats just my impression of your comment?

[zebramocha]

@logic I'm saying,that in each case there wasn't a real head to head comparison because the either they launched after another console or before one,so drawing a comparioson between power,price or any other feature would be wrong.

[Cam977]

Stop complaining and buy yourself a Ps3 then...

[Neonridr]

What so buy 2 game consoles and forget the fact that Sony is screwing people over by doing this? Why should I reward Sony for their stupidity?

I will reserve my ultimate judgement until I see what MS is offering, who knows, maybe they will pull backwards compatibility too, but assuming MS stays the course and does offer backwards compatibility, you have a huge library of Microsoft games vs the launch library of the PS4. Which one seems to make more sense?

I am not trying to start anything, this is just my opinion of course. I just feel like I would be cheated out of a lot of good games I missed if I buy the PS4 and I am certainly not buying both a PS4 AND a PS3..

[kenshiro100]

...How could you not own a PS3 already?

[BrunoM]

Neo I see what u mean but saying Microsoft is gonna keep the same way they did and Sony didn't is not true these is Micros 3rd gen coming they did keep backwards from 1 to 2 but then again did Sony from ps1 to ps2

I own most consoles easy for any one to see user name BrunoM on all of them and if I got to bet on any company to go for my needs as a gamer is say Sony will ..

But then again me having all the main systems and having a LOT of games on them I don't expect a company to not move with times new gen new games new everything new games I already own my ps3 so if I wanna play ps3 games
Il go and jump on that I want my future next gen systems to do what my current systems don't ...

So no we don't need backwards on our future consoles we want next gen AI physics and as good as graphics as we can get ..

But what ever that's just what I think next gen is for next gen games

[Ron_Danger]

Except for the whole thing about Gaiki streaming all PS1,2, and 3 games to PS4 and the Vita.

[aquamala]

not just to PS4 and Vita, they said "all devices", so also PCs, tablets, etc.

at this point if you never had a PS3 I would just wait for gaikai to play PS3 games.

[hazardman]

Your right Gaikai will let you play PS1, PS2 and PS3 games but is it FREE? I think Sony is gonna charge for it! Either way Sony already has my $$ day one and MS too if they play their cards right.

[NYC_Gamer]

Why not buy a PS3?that would be the best thing to do since you claim there are titles on the platform that catch your attention

[kneon]

If the rumors are true then it won't have backwards compatibility either since they are also switching CPU architecture.

[jmac53]

The older rumors said there was a 360 chip included with the x86 architecture. Hope this still remains the case.

[Seraphemz]

So SONY should have included PS3 backward compatibility but NOW you decide that you want to play PS3 games?

You've waited almost 7 years to decide.."oh.. I want to play PS3 games...but on PS4" ????

People are never happy. If they included backward compatibilty and it costs more, people will complain about that...

[MrWonderful]

hell he could buy one cheap on craigslist for that matter or a pawn shop

[Link079]

Right the wiiu has around 200GB of bandwidth on that gpgpu and thats without knowing what that unknown part of the gpgpu is there is also more eDram other than the 32MB/3MB and all that SRAM that we know of there is more,the ps4 has 175GB of bandwidth on the gpu ?

[isa_scout]

Well said, if you dont own a ps3 by now why complain that you can't play them on the PS4? If they weren't important enough for you to go out and buy the current system, something tells me you wont be buying their future system anyway. Even if Nextbox has BC there wasn't that many amazing titles on the system anyway. I have a 360, my gamertag is KingJamesXMVP6, and I'll tell you right now I've played all of the 360's biggest games(there aren't many) and the only thing the 360 has that's better than the PS3 is it's online functionality. If Sony nails it's social features the way their talking about then MS will be in big big trouble.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Agreed. I'm not sure why they should add such a thing in. "Oh I want a PS4, but throw in a PS3 too..."

A new CPU is more important, then letting people play PS3 games on a PS4. If you have PS3 games...then clearly you have a PS3....play that. This makes the PS4 cheaper and helps developers with the CPU. Being BC MEANS keeping old tech in the system to be compatible.

I own every PS system so BC means NOTHING to me. If your a PS fan, BC should mean nothing to you too.

[MrWonderful]

Lmao at you my friend. Sony made backwards compatibility a industry standard. I still have my launch ps3 and have used that feature very little since 2006. It wont kill you to have a ps3 and ps4 and play your ps3 games on your ps3 to keep from putting wear on your ps4 optical drive man.

[testerg35]

MS is probably at a better spot at bringing BC to the next xbox because the 360 is closer in design to PC hardware.

[_-EDMIX-_]

That is indeed true. But at this point, it still means Sony will STILL sell PS3s, MS will halt on selling 360's. (or sales will slow down like they did for XB1)

Either way, is good for Sony. They are here to sell PS4 games to PS4 owners, not sell PS3 games to PS4 owners (you know....with JUST PS4s)

[capnjoe217]

"All Microsoft has to do is bring Backwards Compatibility..." But then what if that makes the console $100 more expensive? Are you then going to complain about the price? You complained about Vita being too expensive while in the same breath complained that it had no PSP support when in practice, including support would make it even MORE expensive. Which is it? Do you want a console that does everything but costs $600 or do you want something affordable that gets the job done by playing next gen games? This dilemma seems to be pervasive in the current gen, people's expectations of technology exceeding their wallet size.

[SlyFoxC]

its not that they didnt want to bring Backwards compatibility its that they could not do it because hardware is completely different. Read a little bit and you will see that. Just as the 720s hardware will be different from the 360 so it most likely will not be able to do backwards compatibility either.

[isa_scout]

True, I find it funny that people cannot remember that the 360 didn't launch with backwards compatibilty. It was rolled out over the period of over a year, and even then it wasn't every single game. I remember getting my 360 on launch day, came home and played some king kong, and then I stuck in Halo 2 and was like wuh??? I honestly dont believe either system needs it, the people who complain the most are probably the ones who would never use the feature in the first place. Complainers complain.

[Mikeyy]

@Neonridr

Did you miss the entire segment on Gaikai?

It expressly said you can play, PS1, PS2, and PS3 Games on your PS4 (FOUR) using the streaming service.

[Raider69]

I have a 360 to play 360 games!i dont need a 720 with Backwards Compatibility!M$ haves to show somethin g new and that means new IPS,if not im not buying it,i will just stick with two consoles the PS4 and the WII U!

[majedx9]

RROD 720

[Cam977]

More like their A* game, I was speechless and don't know how MS can beat it! Come on... Video sharing and live gameplay? There is no way they can supersede that.

[Kalowest]

For a software company like MS "Video sharing and live gameplay" isn't the problem, it's their hardware.
MS has gotten alot better at making hardware these past few years, but still Sony is known for their hardware quality and specs(mainly the PS series now).

[hazardman]

Ok that's all cool, but not every gamer is gonna use the features. I know I'm not uploading vids or spectating on a friends games. I'm hoping I can turn a lot of the features off. I don't want friends just dropping in on my game sessions. Both Sony and MS are gonna have great consoles and both will get my $$$.

[ambientFLIER]

OMG OMG VIDEO SHARING NO WAY CAN MS TOP THATTTTTT

/sarcasm

[Siren30]

I didn't see any actual gameplay footage. I didn't see a price or a release date, hell I didn't even see the actual console. I also don't know anything about ms next console other than rumors, so its a little early to say ps4 is the winner. I go into every generation with a open mind

[Dno]

killzone? the witness? drive club? knack? do you have eyes?

[rdgneoz3]

You did not all see the new Killzone gameplay? Hell, what about the Knack gameplay shown on the PS4 / Vita?

http://www.ign.com/wikis/pl...

Also, they did say 2013 Holiday season, so its out by the end of this year the latest.

It's good to go in with an open mind, but don't put a bag over your head to hide from what's around you.

[Studio-YaMi]

Here,I'll help you ..

1-go to youtube.
2-in the search-bar type "Killzone : shadow fall" then watch it.
3-in the search-bar type "knack" then watch it.
4-in the search-bar type "Drive Club" then watch it.
5-in the search-bar type "Quantom Dream PS4" to watch the IN-GAME DEMO of their new engine.
6-in the search-bar type "watch dogs ps4" then watch it (yes they stated it was PC gameplay but since we know how powerful is the PS4 based on the Killzone : shadow fall gameplay footage we can see that the PC & PS4 gameplay and graphics of watch dogs will be the same thing).

Now go watch all that and then MAYBE you won't need to go to a doctor for an eye exam,ok ? :D

[jmac53]

Being an Xbox owner the last 2 generations I have to say that Sony has really stepped it up with the PS4. I really hope Microsoft follows suit with comparable specs and doesn't pander to the casual market otherwise they will have lost me.

[USMC_POLICE]

Gears and halo and crackdown were all I cared for on xbox

[Godmars290]

What does MS consider an "A" game is the question.

I mean we're talking about a company which has regularly fully staged events, from presentation to audience reaction, and relied more on brand names like Star Wars and Sesame Street to sell Kinect.

[ZBlacktt]

“Right now [Microsoft] have the pole position based on current-gen standing,” explained Creutz.

Wait what???

3 years of Red ring of death

Still a last gen DVD console ( multi disc needed on many games )

No built in wi-fi, was a added cost of $99.

Lost it's biggest developer in Bungie. What's left, seen the exclusive games projections lately? Now Bungie is making exclusive content for the PS4, oh lawd.

Never once won a Game of the Year exclusively

The PS3 has shipped more consoles to date. With a full year less lead time and NOT with a worldwide launch. All of Europe didn't see the PS3 until 2007. The XBox sells figures will always be misleading due to the years of RROD ( 50% fail rate at one point ) and the one million XBox users who's consoles were bricked for pirating games.

[Christopher]

These analysts are only talking about North America. That's where all the confusion comes from.

[ZBlacktt]

Awh, he should be speaking about gaming in general. I mean the list goes on and on for Sony. Way more in house game development companies. Think 19 was the last I checked. While MS had 11. Sure these have changed. Sony owns Sony Pictures and Sony Record Label. So they have always been the entertainment giant.

@ GoldenMonkey

2006 GOTY was Zelda: Twilight Princess ( look it up ). Gears did get votes. But not as many overall wins as Zelda.

Wifi was not standard on the console. It was a $99 add on at first. Sony had it day one.

[Godmars290]

I thought the Xbox slim had built in wi-fi?

Hell, I'm also missing where Halo 4-6 were suppose to be one ongoing epic tale when most of the story elements introduced in 343's first outing were largely wrapped up.

[andibandit]

@Zblacktt

"Now Bungie is making exclusive content for the PS4, oh lawd."

Uhmmm, is that some kind of exclusive DLC content you are talking about, cause i've been following that game for a while and it's comming to

PS3,PS4,Xbox360 and PC

[C-Thunder]

Yes, they announced exclusive dlc on the PlayStation.

[Tzuno]

Ha...felling good Sony? just wait for Microsoft to unwrap their baby and then we will see.

[Prodigy-X]

You Mad Bro?

[Karpetburnz]

@Tzunoy

I think you should change your avatar to a red ring.

[Veneno]

He actually did change the color, but from red to green because he couldn't find a photo of a working xbox anywhere. Good photoshop skills man!

[izumo_lee]

It is pretty evident that Microsoft is moving more towards a mass market appeal making their system more of an entertainment hub than a true gaming platform. That was their goal when they entered the console market.

They are focusing more on apps, integrating Windows 8 into the system, services & all the stuff that interests the mainstream rather than the core.

You'll get your Halo, your Forza, some maybe new IPs who knows. And they will once again rely on 3rd parties for software but unlike this gen, next gen is a level playing field. So now it is which system can use their specs to the fullist the easiest that will gain that 3rd party advantage of being 'lead platform'.

Who know what Microsoft is planning. As a hardcore gamer i am worried that you may not get what you want with the next Xbox.

[contradictory]

i hope Xbox doesn't go super "innovative"

we already have one of those
and it sure as hell ain't Sony

[contradictory]

i'm watching from the distance like i usually do with consoles at first

it's like Sniping except i'm Sniping for the games that always come after the launch

like Wii U which looks to be getting good games in the near future... at the moment nothing too interesting though.

[Grimhammer00]

WiiU lol

[Saleem101]

PlayStation 4 aka the titan!!!! 8Gigs of gddr5 memory!!!!!!!

[SignifiedSix]

I hope you know that those 8GB of gddr5 is SYSTEM RAM. So calling it the "titan" is out of the question as the Titan GPU alone produces more power than the whole ps4 combined.

Learn your stuff :)

[clintagious650]

Going to be tough for them because sony didnt play all their cards yet. When Naughty Dog & The Last Guardian & Santa Monica Studios ps4 game doesnt show, u know they are saving that for e3.

[lovegames718]

it has begun the next gen in consoles

Killzone Shadow Fall will be 30 FPS at 1080p resolution according to an interview after the presentation. German gaming site 4players.de reports:

i got that from gaf

[Captain Qwark 9]

ps4 is great. i think sony took many steps in the right direction but i would hardly count ms out. the xbox has a strong following, including myself and now that sony has laid out its hand, ms knows what it needs to respond too.

end of the day, im buying both. selling point for me will simply be BC. if the new xbox can run my old collection then ill get that first so i can play old games in between the inevitable after launch drought. if the new xbox cant play older titles then i will let the exclusives decide which is likely won by sony. again, either way ill get both, one on day one, the other 6 months later prob

[MRMagoo123]

see thats the thing most ppl are forgetting "ms knows what it needs to respond too." it doesnt matter if MS knows what sony has because unless MS are releasing there console mid next year they wont have any room for changing much because the console should be just about or already being made so specs cant change much from there considering games have to be built according to specs before the console is even released.

[Captain Qwark 9]

depends on how it is being built. if its being built with the same architecture as a pc using mostly off the shelf parts, similar to a ps3 then it wouldnt be that hard to add some things

[Dragos75]

It's great that devs are loving the ps4 right now. I don't believe that they showed anything that's gonna pull many xbox gamers away from their brand though. I'm sure MS was watching and will most likely match what was shown.

[brew]

They could potentially pull some customers away from MS , but it's going to come down to pricepoint and if they keep online gaming and cross-party chat FREE OF CHARGE.

[Grimhammer00]

Well, a few things go against MS.
One....anything they do that is related to Sony's presentation will look contrived, coping and try hardish.

MS will try and show they are the better different choice. Duh right. But how? Kinect. And kinect for many hardcore....you know the guys who buy 2 games or more every month....they hate it. And I'm in that boat. Can kinect be amazing? Yeah. But I'll always want force feedback and the ability to play my games in long stretches...try playing any motion control game on any system for 4hrs+!

So I guess they'll have to beat Sony at the Social stuff right? Shouldn't be hard for MS. But really do we care? Some features like remote play of friends is now a pS4 thing. MS brings it they'll just be coping. And it may very well be patented for all I know.

8gb of gddr ram is beast for consoles...I can't wait to see MS match this. And they might!

Then theirs the devs speak approach. MS needs to do this....but really can't. They don't have nearly as good 1st party support and showing their weak devs will look bad and again, like coping Sony.

MS I do hope you guys come out swinging...I need my PS4 to have competition.

[Dragos75]

MS will probably match and surpass them with the services shown. It was disappointing that so little about Gaikai was revealed. Tbh the jump in graphics really doesn't look that big but it does seem to be enough to distinguish between last gen and next.

Killzone, Infamous, and my favorite, Watch Dogs looked great though.

[cloud 279]

To Dragos:
I believe the hardware is locked, maybe some tweaks here and there. There is still E3, PAX, GDC, TGS to look forward to for Sony to talk about more gaikai implementation. It won't be a one trick pony. Read somewhere that graphics won't be the big jump this gen like last gen PS2 to PS3. Graphics will be more about details in the particles, emotions on faces of characters.

What I expect from Microsoft with new consoles is new exclusive experiences that aren't found on PC or PS4. They have made their presence felt with X360, and its now for them to build on this, and give gamer an experience they want to comeback to. Please no more tie ups for exclusive DLC.

[Saleem101]

Hey xbox lovers those leaks specs on both systems are proving accurate looks like microsoft has to delay the new xbox... 8gigs of ddr3 aint going cut it sony has them beat on gpu and memory. :)

[givemeshelter]

You are speculating on specs not finalized by Microsoft? LOL. Only on N4G.COM
What will you do IF the Xbox comes out on top in specs? Will you pull a Mitt Romney and flip flop? :-P

[urwifeminder]

Pc and xbox,nintendo for me regardless of specs im glad ps fans seem happy i hope you enjoy your games everyone.

[tbon3man]

I have a feeling that Sony is just teasing us so far with what the PS4 can do. They have PAX EAST and GDC still to come before E3. Can't show all your cards yet!

[Grimhammer00]

If anything...I think MS was skewing hard towards casuals anyways. I think they see wiiU as bait. MS will try and take Ninnys market....and I bet they'll pull it off in the long run.

Sony sticking to mostly hardcore gaming is where it's at for me. They have the ips, amazing, reliable hardware and being 1st is always better than the guy who copies your ideas.

[iNathan]

Looks at 3Ds destroying Vita wich is so powerfull...

Ps4 is in for another monumental failure from Sony.

[dafegamer]

edge rumors were pretty spot on about the ps4 specs.
edge also said that ms will rely on more motion gaming with kinect 2.0

[Clarence]

M$ has never been innovative with anything. The 360 is the slowest selling console this gen. So i guess that makes it a failure to. Even with their head start they ended up in last place. The 360 didn't even have hdmi ports or wifi when it was first released. Never mind the fact that they went with hd format that died and DVDs for gaming. Yeah the PS3 was really a failure.

The next Xbox won't be able to hold a candle to the PS4. M$ can't top Sony. It seems as if Sony has every studio in the world willing and able to work on the PS4. On top of that the specs and entertainment value the PS4 is equipped with makes the top console for next gen.

By the way tell me what handheld has M$ released and the 3ds started selling after a price cut.

[braydox21]

i just wanted to point out that your comment is full of spelling errors, i can understand it though which is good. i forgive you if you are new to the language. but if your first language is english then this is sad and unforgiviable. please learn from your mistakes and make less spelling errors in the future. good luck in this endeavour either way. (for all intents and purposes this is intended as a positive gesture)

[1upgamer99]

Sony and Nintendo have the best IPS hands down. Also Why would I pay for LIVE when over the past 5 years,Sony and finally Nintendo have stepped up their online game. Nintendo is finally getting it right with Wii U. I know that there are at least 4 new IPS in development for 720, but I will have to see them and be impressed, in order to want to buy them. I am not talking about graphics, we all know graphics will be good. I need fresh gameplay and not that stupid illumiroom.

[ElementX]

Nintendo isn't getting it right with Wii U.

[1upgamer99]

I did not mean with the system itself. I meant with the online. Wii U is for sure better than PS3 online right now. I know that is going to change with PS4, but I have used my Wii U more online in the past 3 months, than my PS3 or Tablet combine. There just are not enough games yet. Nintendo also has the worst marketing for a system I think ever.

[amiga-man]

BLKxSEPTEMBER
All these features the PS4 are bringing sound good but wait til your being charged to access them. It will be no different than XBL.

Except that Sony is actually bringing stuff worth paying for not taking away YOUR internet and forcing you to pay to get it back, the biggest scam this gen and Xbox users fell for it.

[BLKxSEPTEMBER]

All i have to say is that with ps4 you'd better have and excellent ISP and no internet cap. And if you people think you will just be able to jump on a PC and stream ps3 games without paying your insane. All these features the PS4 are bringing sound good but wait til your being charged to access them. It will be no different than XBL.

[Munky]

I'm pretty sure that was their intention regardless of what Sony was doing with the PS4.

[from the beach]

Hopefully they'll bring the console!

As for 'a games', just have one really good one for launch window, a Halo or Gears of War for next gen, and all is well. Bonus points for Rare-developed.

[C-Thunder]

If they make a big deal out of either Halo or Gears as a launch title then it will be clear they have failed. They need to show new hardcore exclusives, not sequels for the same games they leaned on this gen whose last release haven't been out even a year.

[from the beach]

I think they'd be wise to announce that a sequel for at least one of those is coming, whether it's launch or first year or whatever, alongside a new high profile game.

Anyway, PS4 is launching with a new Killzone and the Wii U launched with NSMBU, so it wouldn't be so unusual!

[DivineAssault]

xbox fans are such haters.. Always marking peoples comments as trolling & -bubbling everyones statements cuz their pissed off.. Well get over it! the nx box will be similar in power & have a much better camera for kinect type games im sure.. Sony is just focusing on core titles 1st while leaving an option for casual stuff.. Xbox will have close to the same support from 3rd party & have many media options n partnerships.. Sony just went for developer partnerships instead.. Pick your poisin

[Mikeyy]

I wish Sony fans would do a better job bubble voting us up...

I've gone from 5 to 3 bubs defending the Playstation. CMON guys, while your browsing click that bubble up and well said for us! :)

[leemo19]

Microsoft does have to bring something, Kinect can't be the main focus this time around, since Sony brought most of the hammer down on them yesterday.

[cloud 279]

Hardware is mainly locked for the next Xbox, and software is already in works by many developers. My question is will the next Xbox have windows 8 OS or will it be proprietary OS built just for Xbox?

[bignaz]

Amd jaguar lmfao GG Sony. Next time Dont use a CPU meant for low end netbooks tablets and phones and laptops. But hell at least they dident rock a Atom but at that point it would really make no diff. I mean you got a slow crappy CPU why not go even slower.

Can't wait to see how the phones at the ps4 launch can keep up with it lmfao then next Feb. See the flagship cell phones blow the ps4 out of the water lol.GG Sony it was nice knowing you and the ps4 vita lmfao.

[Mikeyy]

You realize the 720 is rumored to have the same CPU right?

You kinda dogged yourself, dogg.

[bamillington]

bf4 3d 60 fps im sold

[OC_MurphysLaw]

This guy hit one point on the head...and I don't look at his point for something to do directly with MS but rather it has everything to do with Nintendo.

Sony gave their base a reason to upgrade to a PS4 over their PS3. They gave a reason for a Wii owner to upgrade to a PS4....and they gave a reason for a 360 owner to upgrade to a PS4. Nintendo didn't give a reason for PS3 and 360 owners to upgrade to a WiiU. Furthermore the WiiU just cemented the idea that a Wii owner should upgrade to a newer system...but there are many choices for them to upgrade to. WiiU just doesn't feel different enough from what we have.

I think Sony fired a salvo first...and while MS has been put on notice, I think Nintendo more than MS was caught up in the blast.

[ironmonkey]

Ms console will be a family console. Just look at he 360 now its kinect here and there. Their success of this will move to the new console. My only question is to the ms hardcore base is what are YOU gonna expect from ms after being kicked in the ass and shown the door with no real games except halo 4. Will you continue pay for nothing?.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

no real games except Halo 4... really? You are just going to gloss over Forza Horizon with blinders on in full. I suppose you feel LittleBigPlanet Karting and Sony Battle Royale were the cream of the crop this past holiday too?

[one2thr]

Am I the only person, liking the feature to "hand-over" the controller to an online friend during any given game that has a tough part, that they (online friend) can get past?...

Thats a HUGE ONE UP for SONY, MS really have to bring it!!!!

This rivalry has birthed some great innovative features this gen!!!

[jmac53]

I doubt that Microsoft will just roll over to Sony when it comes to the specs. They know the core gamers ie: the people buying the console first, care about the specs. I know specs aren't everything but it would be a grave mistake to have 8 gb of ddr3 when the competition has gddr5.

[zAlchemist]

I wanna see the ps4 console before i say anything about xbox because ps4 is doing everything right it looks great!

[one2thr]

I think both Sony and Microsoft are holding out until E3 to show there consoles...

[StreetsofRage]

Video sharing and live game play. I love that feature. Does that include watching live multiplayer? Wow. Steal that feature!

[Zoron007]

Now the thing that I just dont get is the fact If Xbox gets an exclusive at all Sony fans think it should be ported to PS then say Xbox sucks for not having exclusives.

[Relientk77]

After seeing Sony's conference, definitely wanna see how Microsoft counters, shall be interesting

[Asthenos]

I honestly think that Microsoft needs to reinvest big time in indie games. They already have a low amount of new IP's, so a service similar to Greenlight could be a huge boost to them. Indie developers could develop games to be sold on the marketplace and if they get a large amount of sales then Microsoft could extend a partnership offer in exchange for part ownership of the title. This could greatly help out both Microsoft in terms introducing new exclusive IP's, as well as indie developers by giving them a chance to be discovered and to receive a large partnership with Microsoft.

[dcbronco]

Microsoft does need to bring it's A game. Sony's conference was impressive. But only fanboys believe that Microsoft won't have new IP. And they are the only ones that will believe Kinect will be aimed strictly at the casual market. Controls are changing. People need to get used to that. Whether it's gesture or voice. Dragon shouts were just the beginning.

I will say that Microsoft has to come strong. Sony will come in at a better price point this time. So MS won't be able to use that to compete. They will have to do it through content and features. Gaming and media features. Otherwise the last few years of gaining a strong position will have gone to waste.

[black911]

New IP's do terrible on the Xbox!!! Alan Wake,metro 2033,crack down etc...

[dcbronco]

Most exclusives do terrible on the PS3. What's your point.

[air1]

These games are great:-):-):-):-):-)

[MultiConsoleGamer]

Microsoft isn't even remotely concerned.

[Indo]

I bet Microsoft's approach to unveiling their next gen console changed after seeing Sony's PS4.

[gamingzen]

I reckon most people will have a wii u as there 2nd console as sony/xbox are very similar personaly i think sony have made a huge mistake by not repositioning the control sticks as the dual shock is one of the worst controllers for first person shooters which about 80% of next gen games are gonna be ie battlefield 4,5,6,7 etc cod 5,6,7 etc halo,gears and so on

[gamingzen]

Live gaming feed is pointless who wants to sit there watchin a friends game id rather be playing my own game thanks.

[southernbanana]

Although I agree Microsoft will have to be on top of things next generation in order to keep their position, I see no reason the next Xbox will not do well. I can almost bet both the next Xbox and the PS4 will be pretty close performance wise, and I can guarantee they will both have great games.

[Plagasx]

Kinect 2.0 should do the trick. Kinect focused games will get them far ahead of Sony.

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

All this talk of people complaining about no built in console BC for PS4 is rediculous... if it will hinder the performance the performance of my Next Gen games... then KEEP IT OUT!

The people still wanting to play old stuff are purely outnumbered by those of us that want to play the new stuff anyways!

[SDF Repellent]

After suffering through these pages of Sony fans projecting victory,I will patiently await Microsoft's response before making any buying decision. I will only going to buy one console this generation and it will be the next Xbox unless Sony's PS4 is really that much better, which it won't be.

[Kidmyst]

I am hoping Msft doesn't impress me, so I spend less $$$ :) Otherwise I may need to buy both consoles. So we'll see!

[potedude]

Bring there A-game? Are they going somewhere?

Bring THEIR A-game! Seriously, this is supposed to be a proper website and they cant even spell the title correctly.

[koolaid251]

Microsoft could just buy Sony if they wanted too Sony has been losing money for a long time now.

[CC-Tron]

Sony's stock fell the day after the unveiling. Sony's fans on N4G need to get out more.

[arbitor365]

microsoft is going to have a hard time this generation, because sony has no handicap this time around. no difficult hardware, no lack of third party support, no lack of online features. the PS4 is basically maxed out in all three departments.

honestly the only things that would remotely give them some sort of chance to compete with the PS4 is if they

- aquire bethesda and/or a bunch of other developers
- do the whole 99$ price upfront where you pay an arm and a leg over the course of a few years
- have crazy graphics
- introduce an equal or greater cloud service

but lets be honest. its much more likely that they will do this

- pander to casuals with kinect and cablebox features
- try to rope in as many gullible xbox360 gamers by capitalizing on brand name alone and showing off COD/bethesda games as if they are exclusives
- have an overblown gimmicky presentation with some pop star or something

basically what they have been doing for the past 3 E3 conferences.

[SDF Repellent]

"microsoft is going to have a hard time this generation, because sony HAS NO HANDICAP this time around. no difficult hardware, no lack of third party support, no lack of online features. the PS4 is basically maxed out in all three departments."

LOL, how about pricing, you do know Microsoft can afford to take a hit on hardware but I am not so sure about Sony after looking at their financial situations. The deal is that both systems will be about 90% equal with Sony maybe slightly ahead but if the Xbox 720 comes in $100 cheaper, then that is a handicap for Sony, regardless of the specs.
Basic economic analysis.

[Dfooster]

It's bring "their" A-game not "there" as the article said. At least n4g put it right. Anyway apart from seeing killzone there's nothing for Microsoft to get two worried about. Everything else was cgi videos or multi platform offerings.

I'm not sure how this was deemed a great unveiling? We saw hardly anything that made you sit up and say wow, and the controller looks to be as rubbish as previous versions. Personally I think Microsoft will have breathed a heavy sigh of relief after watching that the other night.

[Ashunderfire86]

What Microsoft needs to do is show us the heavy hitters like Killer Instinct Next gen, Perfect Dark 2, Mechwarrior Next gen, Crimson Skies 2 please!!! Fable 4, Alan Wake 2, Kameo 2, Brute Force 2(Brute Force was a third person game before Gears that had 4 player coop on the original Xbox). Heck!!! they need to look at their old catalog of games from Xbox!!! Come on Microsoft!!! We need Blood Wake 2, Breakdown 2, and many more man. Xbox Next need new Ips!!!! If you want to remain the crown leader of the game market you do those things. Put Rare to better use than just Kinect, and stupid Avatars. Microsoft focus less on Kinect and more on games. If you want them all to use Kinect, make it more interesting, and give players the option to play with just a regular controller without the Kinect.

[Wotbot]

Sony will take note if MS release a more powerful system with some good exclusives, the ball will be back with them.

E3 should be good :)

[alb1899]

SONY just bring to the table killzone, the other games wasn't available to show the gameplay and Watchdog is for 720 too.
If Microsof show us just how Gears and Halo will look i tell you that my screen will explode.

[Kos-Mos]

It seems people here are obsessed with ms. I`m not. I will always buy Nintendo and Sony hardware. I don`t care much about what ms does.

[Picnic]

I want to see a brand new franchise by Good Science Studios in the Uncharted kind of mould that uses the River Rush section of Kinect Adventures as its springboard. Use the same type of cartoony yet detailed graphics and make it primarily for a normal controller with some Kinect support.

The hero should be an everyman, like Cooper out of Grabbed by the ghoulies, the tone generally humourous. Like a 'My First Indiana Jones' game only with far more original and inventive scenarios. Like instead of going over a waterfall in a canoe they could go over in a bath. That kind of thing.

Which brings me to the matter that Rare could collaborate with them on the project. I'm sure the friendly rivalry could result in a great game.

But what do I know? I just saw how popular similar types of games were on the N64 and by Naughty Dog. But this would be even more irreverent, no epic save the world quest, just something refreshingly everyday like having to get home in time to switch the washing machine off.

THAT is the kind of thing that the original Xbox used to be about. They played it a bit too safe sometimes on the Xbox360 after the earlier mascots like Blinx and Voodoo Vince failed to take off.

[Thepcz]

lol sony and microsoft will leave themselves and games studios bankrupt selling these expensive technologies with games that cost an absolute fortune to make. while nintendo will make a tidy profit.

sony and microsoft are not playing the game right.

its a global recession, these products wont do well.

nintendo are playing a very clever game and will come out on top, the way they did with wii and every handheld they have ever released

[DeadPixel]

I like how everyone is saying that the ps4 is better than the next-box when ms havent even revealed it yet...none of your experts even know what ms have instore yet! so why dont you just wait and see before making yoursleves look silly and pathetic, oh wait lol

[isyourhouseonfire]

Yes MS, bring a piece of paper with better specs than Sony's piece of paper and you've already brought a better game than them.

[SpinalRemains138]

I think Microsoft will indeed bring their A game. Theyre not stupid and they have a console with just as much power coming too.

That said, I do feel bad for 360 hardcore gamers. If I was huge into Halo and whatnot and then was shown how I can pet tigers, I would be livid. Getting away from what made their gaming machines successful in the marketplace is an awful idea at this point. Piggybacking off Nintendo and SONY ideas may be great for a new niche of fans, but you're essentially throwing your poyal fanbase under the bus. This is something which microsoft is infamous for. From WinMo to WP7 - 8, the Kin to Vista and so on etc...... They flip the script more than a politician at times.

SONY seems to be correcting their mistakes which is good.

[headblackman]

Microsoft doesn't have to bring its A game at all. that's exactly what Sony wants them to do so they can snatch more ideas because its very obvious that they've ran out of them. they Sony figured if they gave a press conference that told you something and nothing all at the sometime, that Microsoft would be foolish enough to come out a guns a blazing showing off tips to what their key strategy's are so Sony could copy it. Microsoft is hip to their cheap antics. all Microsoft has to do is allude to the existence of their next gen consoles. that can all be done virally online and via commercials. That would do more damage to Sony then the conference would have done to Microsoft. It would keep the gamers in suspense and suspense keeps people watching and tuned in. So in actuality this thing doesn't get kicked off until Microsoft decides to fire its cannons.

[PS4OUR]

Say what you want about Sony's conference but what is apparent to anyone with a single active brain cell is that the PS4 is a "Developers Console".

Devs are overjoyed with the thing. No more Cell to cripple development, shoddy PC ports, crappy multiplats. No more of that.

No more 1 year headstart, inferior online setup, crazy high console price.

All the negatives of the PS3 has been addressed. I'd be very worried if i was MS for the fact that Sony has damn near matched them with all the above negative points this generation.

This is a war that hinges on content and in this department Sony has it all. If they can incorporate their music and movie business into Gaikai/PSN then its game over for MS.

[Picnic]

The Dreamcast was a developer's console too.

The difference is that the Dreamcast was clearly a great leap over the quality of graphics - and even the quality of some of the ideas - that had come before.

But the PS4 is not such an aesthetic revolution. It's just more like the Xbox360 in terms of ease of programming than the PS3. In being more PC-like, will it fail to have some of the character of console game aesthetics? With lots of business speak about connectivity thrown in which will add little to the creativity of the actual games.

It will become common knowledge in years to come that the 128 bit era was the real step up , with the N64 a kind of one-off displaying Rare's burst of creativity. Everything else was just incremental and even possibly divisive. It takes you 'out' of the game if you could be doing a hundred other things on your console instead.

The PS3 has several great exclusive games coming this year - e.g. The Last of Us, Puppeteer.

Sony have taught me that they are generally far better at choosing great indie games- or having people choose them. And you don't necessarily need a new console for great indie games.

I might even end up getting a WiiU! Which would be my first Nintendo console since the Gamecube. It is clearly game focussed and whilst they can also waffle, at least a few of their games scream instant fun behind it all. Yes, Nintendo can be conservative but so, truly, are all the other companies. I suspect that WiiU sales might actually increase once the next Xbox is announced/released because people will be able to put the WiiU in complete context with what the other consoles offer- and buy one as their sole console or as a second console. Too much sense of having a 'scary' 'super computer' cleverer than they are in the home might have some people heading back in to the hills to the parallel universe of Nintendo's kind of comfortable innovation.

It's always been Sega who truly innovated in consoles.

[BladerunnerZX]

The fact is that Microsoft has been moving toward the casual market since the Kinect was introduced.

Microsoft was lucky this generation with the fact that both the Xbox360 and Xboxlive were supported by Call of Duty and Halo fans. without those two franchises the Xbox brand would be dead in the water.

Hey maybe its a good thing that Microsoft is obsessed with capturing the casual market just look at what the casuals have done for the nintendo Wii U .... lots of continued support carried over from the Wii .. oh wait nevermind.

Halo , gears of war and an outdated overpriced online service called Xboxlive will not be enough in the next generation for Microsoft to hold what momentum Call of Duty and Halo gave them this gen.

Microsoft will have to do something drastic like making Call of Duty exclusive to Xbox to have a fighting chance against Sony next generation.