The next Xbox: Always online, no second-hand games, 50GB Blu-ray discs and new Kinect

Microsoft’s next console will require an Internet connection in order to function, ruling out a second-hand game market for the platform. A new iteration of Xbox Live will be an integral part of Microsoft’s next console, while improved Kinect hardware will also ship alongside the unit.

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dirigiblebill2448d ago

Really hope not. Broadband isn't universal yet, and taking away a customer's rights is a fine way to ensure they stop being a customer.

Irishguy952448d ago (Edited 2448d ago )

Not taking away rights.

You can sell your disk if you want(your right). The software will not work on multiple systems. Same thing that has been done on PC for...a long long time.

However I agree that it is BS

theBAWSE2448d ago

I don't believe it until its official as this would be a disastrous move by ms

Thrillhouse2448d ago

If it's true, it's still BS.

I can't even lend a copy of a game to a friend without them having to jump through hoops to play it, if they can at all?


Bathyj2448d ago

And I was going to ask to borrow Bonestorm off you.

LackTrue4K2448d ago

Bone storm...? Lol, ok I see what you did there.

AAACE52448d ago

This is waht ms and sony want to do. Both have been pushing for this! Which is another reason im not in a rush for the next gen.

We can bash nintendo all we want but at least they arent trying sh!t like this!

aCasualGamer2448d ago

Not only is it not universal, but imagine how often people get disconnected because their internet providers have screwed up. That would mean a shitload of angry gamers who can't play their offline games.

theBAWSE2448d ago (Edited 2448d ago )

if Sony do this aswell ps4 can suck eggs....ill buy a wii u and nothing else

Old McGroin2448d ago

"don't believe it until its official as this would be a disastrous move by ms "

Yup, I'll believe the solid facts when the solid facts are presented to me. If this is true then MS can kiss goodbye to my cash anyway.
They can't continue to sell online games at such extortionate prices and then also rule out the possibility of even selling their consoles in retail stores like Gamestop because they would be destroying Gamestop's second hand trade.
I'm already sick of having to pay to play online with Xbox games, if these rumours are true MS are gonna lose a hell of a lot of ground on Sony.

NewMonday2448d ago (Edited 2448d ago )

"Always online" this is so stupid it is hard to believe, insures the 720 fails and fails hard.

Another important bit is the one about coding, Edge reports developers say it is easier for them on the PS4, and Sony wants them to code closer to the metal while MS are strict with the libraries

HITANDRUN2448d ago

The more I think about it, the less I see it happening. MS has 75 M out of those 40m are online, if they were to go online only then they will loose 35m, thats a lot of people and from a business model makes no sense. Blocking used games its a high posibility cause 500 store will be close from gamestop, which also tells me that if no used game then no backward compatibility. Both Sony and ms are on my hot list, if they both block used games, then I guess i will go retro with wiiu, this really makes no sense to me. Executive cant be that dumb, I mean I know they loose money from used game, but they will loose more when people dont buy their consoles.

Funky_Homosapien2448d ago

how are you sure that the activation code doesn't bind to the console thus not allowing you to sell or lend it to your friend? or did i read it wrong please explain...

Funky_Homosapien2448d ago

i thought activation code binds to console thus not letting you sell or lend?

rainslacker2448d ago

Activation codes usually bind to account. Doesn't have to be that way as technology exist to digitally sign the physical disc, but account makes more sense.

xursz2448d ago (Edited 2448d ago )

I can see Microsft ditching xbox live gold and sticking with this always online nonsense.

Yi-Long2448d ago (Edited 2448d ago )

"Bye Bye Microsoft! It's been fun but we've grown apart."

Kurt Russell2448d ago

I've been a more XBOX swayed gamer for the last 2 Generations (not that I don't play and own the others mind you. I can put up with paying for LIVE and the stupid amounts of advertising on my dash board because I really do get a lot of use out of some of its exclusive features (cross game chat is on about 90% of the time I am on)... But I won't be investing in an online only content restricting closed off machine like this article proposes. Hopefully it's just BS rumour, but if it's true... see ya!

EVILDEAD3602448d ago

This is completely false anyways.

But it's fun to see the meltdown when these hilarious rumors get dropped.

Next gen will be completely the same as this one, with both MS and Sony fixing some of the issues that plagued them this gen.

The Used game market will continue, but digital distro will became more of the norm as movies already have.


Nevers2448d ago

I've had a couple auditions for Microsoft and several affiliates in the Seattle area lately where I've been given sides that have this language in it... "Always On, Always Connected".

I'm pretty sure this is going to be a reality... doesn't really excite me at all.

Red_Orange_Juice2448d ago

If lived in example in UK and could in theory buy 30-40 brand new games month then it isnt a big deal. Unfortunately I can afford only ~10 games where I live and used games are crusial the only alternative is PC piracy

pixelsword2448d ago (Edited 2448d ago )

Well XboX, if true, we had a nice run.

I'll Miss Cole and Marcus,

Cortana and Chief,

but I won't buy this if that's what's the future is like.

I don't want to be online all of the time for a single player game, that's just taking away bandwidth from other computers on my network, and I play on my downtime whilst my computers are downloading and stuff.

I really hope this isn't true.

fr0sty2448d ago

CEO Kaz Hirai CEO Kaz Hirai ‏@KazHiraiCEO

It looks like Microsoft are stealing our ideas again. Our consoles haven't been able to play used XBOX games for years

sobekflakmonkey2448d ago

dont know why people disagreed with you, that's true, there has never been a case in PC gaming's history where you could sell an old game and have someone be able to use 100% of it, other than like...greenmangaming?

But yeah, I doubt microsoft is dumb enough to do that, and I reallllyyyyy doubt they are gonna make it so you have to have an internet connection to use the console, so don't worry Xbox fans, that can't possibly happen.

ThanatosDMC2448d ago

This is going to suck for Gamefly, if true.

AzaziL2448d ago

Just for the "can't borrow a game to a friend" reason alone is why I can't see this happening on consoles and if it did, it would be a career suicide to whoever decided it was a good idea.

Dee_912448d ago

I dont believe for one second that they would make a console that require internet connection.
im calling malarkey

Yi-Long2448d ago

"Just for the "can't borrow a game to a friend" reason alone is why I can't see this happening on consoles and if it did, it would be a career suicide to whoever decided it was a good idea."

Considering the amount of really poor/bad decisions Microsoft has been making these last 3-4 years, it wouldn't surprise me if it turns out to be true...

Gaming1012447d ago

By locking up the software, you're taking away people's rights to resell what they just bought. You didn't just buy a useless disc, you paid 60 bucks for a full experience, however you can only sell a useless disc. BS.

Definitely not buying the next xbox, this leaves Sony wide open with a huge opportunity to allow used games, that alone will be enough to sweep next gen.

gaffyh2447d ago

Not good, three quarters of this title are BAD. Only positive is Bluray discs and no more disc swapping.

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aceitman2448d ago

If true,I will not be getting it.

HammadTheBeast2448d ago

No one should get it, this is basically making yourself a slave to Microsoft. Any other company that does this is also not getting my sale, I'd rather just switch to PC.

sticky doja2448d ago

Maybe next console gen after the Xbox3/PS4 they can get away with requiring always online but they will be alienating WAY to many potential customers who

1) don't have broadband
2) don't have wifi or internet reaching every room where the console might be played

It will not happen but if it did I would also not be getting it out of principle.

abzdine2448d ago

get PS4 with PS+! Free online free games pure awesomeness!

hellvaguy2448d ago (Edited 2448d ago )

"No one should get it, this is basically making yourself a slave to Microsoft. Any other company that does this is also not getting my sale, I'd rather just switch to PC"

"Slaves" to the most popular method of purchasing games on the pc, thru Steam, say hi. Hehe so much for your PC rant.

But I see what you mean, at least you have a choice. I myself dont like all the clutter of dvd's and used game boxes all over the place is why I prefer digital downloads, but I get it's not for everyone.

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Saigon2448d ago (Edited 2448d ago )

Can someone explain what this means:

"Studios working with the next-gen Xbox are currently being forced to work with only approved development libraries, while Sony is encouraging coders to get closer to the metal of its box"

Just trying to understand what edge meant by this and its about time we get more information on the next XBox.

zebramocha2448d ago

@Saigon it sounds like Ms doesn't want third party to get the max out of the 720 because "close to the metal",if remember right is a program amd invented to extract max performance out of their processor.

rainslacker2448d ago


Maybe. Close to Metal from AMD is a low level programming interface, and as such it could be one of the approved libraries that was mentioned in the article. It basically allows low level access to functions within the GPU through an API layer with less need to write complicated assembly code.

Close to the metal could also refer to Sony allowing developers to directly access the hardware on the system bypassing established libraries or API's, which in theory could improve performance in the hands of a skilled programmer. It's often referred to as assembly language, where a line of code corresponds to a single machine code instruction.

Bathyj2448d ago (Edited 2448d ago )

I think rainslacker is right.

I heard that phrase years ago in PS2 days and my impression was it meant not relying so much on the ready made libraries enabling potentially better performance. Close to the metal means programing more directly to the hardware.

At least thats what I thought at the time. My guess is that the AMD program was named after that phrase.

rainslacker2448d ago

Close to the metal predates the PS2 by a long time. In fact in the early days of micro processors quite a bit of programming was done in assembly. Close to Metal is just a way to describe what's going on with the code, or in AMD's case a trademark to describe their API.

With the PS2, Sony allowed quite a bit of low level functionality with the emotion engine. In fact the emotion engine was designed to be highly programmable to allow it to be used the way programmers needed to for a particular purpose. That kind of thing can really only be done with assembly, as the very nature of a high level API doesn't do that.

Athonline2448d ago

As a software developer I think it means MS is doing what they always do: Try to push their own SDKs/APIs over others and avoid using "universal" standards. They are doing this since around 2000. Most recent example? WebRTC. All companies agreed to use WebRTC as the standard protocol for P2P over a browser, expect MS.

I said it in the past: MS will try to push DirectX and thus make the games easily "ported" to Windows 8 store.

Sony is most likely to use OpenGl for PS4, which in reality allows games to be more easily ported to other platforms as OpenGl is a free, open standard, unlike DirectX which is a MS enforced one. Thus Sony from the sentence is most likely encouraging developers to "hack" the console, by allowing a low level access to hardware resources management. In example allow them to manually assign which blocks from an array to be loaded to specific parts of RAM or which thread each core should process...

nukeitall2448d ago (Edited 2448d ago )

I'm a programmer, so let me clear this lingo up.

When somebody says, "close to the metal" it actually means as close to binary language as possible which is the native language every part of your computer (or your console) speaks. It means it *CAN* be considerably more efficient, but has drawbacks such as hugely more tedious, more error prone and the efficiency is only tied to as good as the programmer is. If you are a poor programmer, then the result might be disastrous. It also means, it's harder to port, emulate or otherwise change as it is considerably harder to read the code.

By using libraries it is generally considerably easier to use, sometimes faster (because some smart dude making gazillion figure it out), and allows for far more flexibility.

If you do something weird close to the metal, you might find out on the next dash update your game doesn't work anymore. However, if you are good you will reap performance benefits. However, this might significantly screw up the potential to update the OS.

There is pro's and con's to each approach, but I would have thought Sony would have learned from MS to make it easy on the programmer. Generally, the performance gap is negligible at this stage and the one with the easiest to harness power from is usually the winner.


It doesn't need to be assembly, but is commonly assembly. Binary is the native language, but assembly is one step away from binary.


Actually, this strategy is both what Sony and MS has been pursuing this entire generation. MS makes ready made libraries for almost anything. That is one of the big reasons Xbox 360 is perceived to be easier to program for.

While on the PS3, you do have to do a lot of the heavy lifting yourself, but has resulted in significant more resources poured into research to obtain those results.

rainslacker2448d ago

nuke is right as well. Although to your counter point I doubt any programmers for games are writing machine code directly, so it is often referred to as assembly because that is what is most often used.:) I'm not even sure that it would be possible to write machine code in that fashion for these machines, and there isn't much need to in the first place.

The PS2 did have a couple games that didn't work on newer iterations of the hardware, although I can't remember what they were specifically. I don't think they were big name titles. The heavy use of assembly may have been the reason why.

MS approach to programming in almost everything is to make it easier on the programmer. Visual studio is powerful in it's flexibility and overall simplicity, but it comes at a cost of leaner, sometimes more efficient code. I've found myself often writing my own libraries for simpler things because of the bloat associated with their C libraries.

The only IDE I've used for Sony is their PS Mobile Suite which had less bloat in the interface, but suffered from using Mono thus working on a application layer which added it back in. It was simple enough to use however. PS Mobile is a different beast than their console libraries though so I can't really speak to those.

Perhaps part of the reason the Cell was so hard to program for was lack of pre-defined libraries, but some of it was also due to the architecture of the chip itself. The cell, much like the Emotion Engine, was highly programmable. To take away that "close to metal" approach could have seriously hampered it's capabilities.

I do agree with you on the pros and cons of each side though. It really all comes down to what the developers need to achieve, and what they are targeting for release. Either way, nowadays with so much middle ware for making games it may not even be as important, but still nice to have I suppose.

subtenko2448d ago

Its random filler BS for a stupid article, nothing new LOL XD

nirwanda2447d ago

Because of thing like the move engines and the compression/decompression chips in the gpu if you don't program with this compression you would lose what these chip were designed to do.

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HITANDRUN2448d ago

If I cant change games on it and buddies not able to bring their games on 720 I wont buy a 720. Always online? I dont think thats the case, not everyone like to be connected, I hope MS is not stupid enough to do this cause it will be a disaster for them. Main reason I buy for consoles and not pc its cause I dont need to register the bs game and then only let you installed in 2 pcs with same IP. Well, will see what happens. To think I was going to go with 720 this time around, lol, well I guess ps4.

JeffGUNZ2448d ago

Easy, it's just a rumor and I highly doubt this to be true.

Jazz41082448d ago (Edited 2448d ago )

Its pretty obvious to me edge is trying to get ms to talk about there next gen console. No way this will be true as the infrastructure is not there and would cost ms business and ms does not operate that way. As far as close to the metal think 360. The cell was the furtherst thing from that. They both are using pc architecture which will allow more comparartive third party games this round.

neogeo2448d ago

This makes m miss the old 16bit days again

Max Power2448d ago

I bet you'd still have to pay yearly for live too.

morkendo232448d ago (Edited 2448d ago )


WTF / is microsoft trying to control masse gamers with this only option leaving out physical disc disbrution?
if this their master plan i will end my gaming after sony stop supporting ps3 i like owning my games,touching my games.

Abdou232448d ago

Good Luck to anyone buying into this.

Good_Guy_Jamal2448d ago (Edited 2448d ago )

No second hand games? No offline? No buy. SONY, your move buddy.
That Wii U is looking mighty tasty round bout now.

Outside_ofthe_Box2448d ago (Edited 2448d ago )

I can't see this as being true. How does requiring internet connection in order to use Xbox benefit MS in anyway? I can't see them taking the risk on blocking used games either.

50GB Blu-Ray discs and Kinect 2 shipping with every Xbox seems plausible however. So this rumor is like half the info it contains mostly likely won't happen while the other half mostly likely will happen.

I just can't see MS demanding that all their consumers have internet connection in order to use their product. All they are really doing is limiting the amount of people that will buy it. Doesn't make sense to me.

akaakaaka2448d ago

how does charging to play online when other don't, seem logical to you?
ohh wait f$%# ..

dcbronco2448d ago

I hope that it's not true about being always connected. Unless they plan to provide some kind of access, that cuts out a lot of people that either don't have or don't want Internet. Not sure who they are, but I'm sure they exist. Plus that would mean no gaming during power outages or service problems. Not acceptable.

showtimefolks2448d ago

50GB bluray disk now that would be sweat

A new kinect is to be expected, but if MS talks about it for a long time during their conferences than show bunch of kinect games than I will not buy the system. Support your core gamers but MS sees the casual wii crowd and they see kinect games selling so as usual they will forget about us. I hope I am wrong but over the last 3 years ms have proved that they only care about selling kinect and going after casual

Always online will means no buy for a lot of people including myself

If MS execs are dumb enough to push no used games TNA. Bye bye MS it was nice seeing you In gaming

I don't think any company is so dumb to block used games and always online for this gen

shutUpAndTakeMyMoney2448d ago

If they charge for multiplayer I am not getting it. Also this rumor won't help.

born2live2448d ago

Funny, we just had a similar conversation a few days ago - this is how big corporations are taking our consumer's rights away from us...

Crazyglues2448d ago (Edited 2448d ago )

Wow so I guess I'm only getting a PS4 next gen..

Was going to get both, but if this is true this sucks, I play a lot offline (single player campaign)... epic fail Microsoft.. you can keep your Next Xbox


Theyellowflash302448d ago

You know the report also claims Sony will use NFC Tech to block used games right?

So are you going to ditch the PS4 as well?

Krew_922448d ago


I don't like either one, but if I were to pick I'd rather be able to play new games offline. Than to be forced to play online all the time.

ArmrdChaos2448d ago (Edited 2448d ago )

Sony actually filed a patent for a method to do this very thing. Enjoy playing your Wii-U next gen. Sounds like it might be a good time to build that new PC...or check out the steam box. I guess we will have to see this year.

imdaboss12448d ago (Edited 2448d ago )

I just dont understand why would people pay 50 dollars online when you can do it free for the PS3 and even PC..dont make no sense..if this turn out to be true Microsoft is just takin advantage of xbox fanboys

imdaboss12448d ago (Edited 2448d ago )

Dont bring up the Wii U its not even next gen..dont get me wrong it will have nice lookin games but no way it will be in the level of the PS4 or even the next xbox

MostJadedGamer2448d ago

Well that really suck no used games, AND requiring a always online internet connection.

Requiring a always online internet connection is really terible. If your having internet problems or Xbox Live is down you cann't even play a single player game. So you will be totally locked out of your own system.

What happens if I get disconnected when playing a single player(will I be able to pickup where I left off or will I have to restart from my last save point)?

Well the ball is in Sony's court now. If the PS4 doesn't require a always online internet connection the PS4 will be a automatic buy for me while I won't even consider the 720. M$ had better hope Sony goes the same route otherwise the PS4 will have a insurmountable advantage.

One good thing though is the 50GB BluRay discs. That is absolutely massive, and its nice to see them not get rid of disks, but this will only matter if the PS4 also requires always online internet connection. if not I won't even consider a 720. The ball is your court Sony.

Anyway I plan to stick with last gen as long as possible before moving on to either a PS4 or 720.

3-4-52448d ago

always online WON'T work....

If my internet screws up...I should still be able to play all 10 of my games that I payed $60 each for on my $450 xbox.

Does Charmin tell me how much toilet paper I can use after #2 ? I think not.

DarthJay2448d ago

I think that is the biggest problem I would have with it. I live in the third largest city in New England and have 30MBPS internet, but a storm rolls through, forget it. I'm losing internet. I have had DirecTV for five years and have lost service less in that entire five years then I have lost internet in the last six months. Hurricane Irene rolled through here and I didn't lose DirecTV ONCE. The second the wind started blowing, internet was gone for a week. I barely watch TV and the only thing that got me through that madness was the fact that I could still play Deus Ex: Human Revolution (it had just come out).

I really, really, really hope there is a way around it. I strongly prefer the Xbox product over the Playstation product and I have ever intention of owning both again, but I also have a $2300 PC with dual 24 inch monitors and a third port I can throw to my TV that I will switch to in a heart beat.

sak5002448d ago (Edited 2448d ago )

It's not as if MS lost money on Xbox360/live model that they want to squeeze last penny out of consumer and restrict their rights. They made billions on the current model and dont think they want to get shoot themselves in teh foot for being so much more greedy.

They already saw the backlash of gamers when it was rumored that PS will have no 2nd hand game protection so why want the want to screw it for themselves.

Probably some idiot wants to create negative feedback for MS's next console.