EA on Wii U: not a next-gen console

During EA’s Jan. 30 investors call, the major publisher stated that Nintendo’s recently released Wii U is not quite a next-generation console.

[jay2]

No it's not.

[SilentNegotiator]

People don't have to like this, but it's not what publishers and developers wanted. And when that happens, you get thin third party support.

The top devs/pubs were asking for a lot more power so that they could expand games' horizons. Not touchscreens.

[BullyMangler]

Nintendo will show this genetation HOW to use this much power PROPERLY . . .just look at what capcom did with the Gcube and Res Evil 1 Remake . . i have yet to see a game that looks more astonishing than that Res game . and its for the Gamecube . . . ha haaa . this gonna be goood . .

[blitz0623]

It IS Nintendo's next-gen console PERIOD. Why does this issue have to be brought up again? EA is just describing console generation. For them, it hasn't started yet because all games right now are still maxed out at the PS3/360 level. They are correct, next-gen hasn't really started until we see games that the PS3/360 cannot run.
It's already crystal clear the Wii U is just in the area of the PS3/Xbox 360. But it is STILL Nintendo's next-gen console.
It will STILL belong in the SAME generation as the PS4/Orbis and 720/Durango just like the Wii belongs in the same generation as the PS3 and 360.

[TruthbeTold]

If by expand "games' horizons" you meant be lazy with coding since it's not crucial to optimize, then I agree.

I have no idea why people want/expect these majorly powerful consoles when

1. It will be so expensive that relatively few people will buy them.

and

2. Extra 'power' will just mean developers can be lazy. Most games won't come close to pushing the envelope. Only a few 1st party games will WOW people.

Developers as a whole aren't chomping at the bit for more power. RAM, yes, certainly. But what they want most are consoles that are less expensive to develop for. The built in architecture for all 3 of the new major consoles have/will have that.

[Kevin ButIer]

I don't see any interest from Nintendo to play the "generations" game in the industry, wich somehow is a good thing for consumers. Diversity is always good.

[ShinMaster]

Successful(maybe), but not truly next gen.

The caliber of games is about the same as current gen consoles playing the same current gen games like ME3, AC3 and Batman, much like the Wii played games like Okami and RE4, which were PS2 and GC games.

Is it Nintendo's own next-gen? Yes. It's the Wii's successor. But in the industry, it's not.

[metroid32]

Look this is Sony and Microsoft using developers to tell porkies because EA havn't put a single game on ps3 or 360 that comes anywhere near Xenoblade WiiU them graphics are like a Nextgen Skyrim with out the screen tear ect,the waterfalls and birds in the backgrounds and the textures,lighting,and especially the shadows look incredible and way beyond anything on pc,ps3.360 ect yes that's due to consoles holding bk pc or pc would be better ?

The WiiU is clearly dx11 comparable going off that Xenoblade footage it looked dx12 in most area's,so if you think this is 1st gen wiiu games when ps4 hits the WiiU will be onto it's second gen games in other words Metroid,Zelda,Smash,Eternal D2, ect.

All this ps4 and 720 will have better graphics is just pipe dreams as from the rumours ps4 will be using the same chip confirmed by a respected developer to be the HD6670 and we all know the 67** series is at least 40% more powerful ?

About these high end engines Retro studio's and Nintendo have Engines that rival UE4 that's the word and with Retro i believe this Engine when shown will destroy EA's Engines.

[SilentNegotiator]

"If by expand "games' horizons" you meant be lazy with coding since it's not crucial to optimize, then I agree"

Ummmm, no. Super Mario 64 wouldn't have been possible on SNES if Nintendo weren't "lazy".
GoW1 wouldn't have been possible on Ps1 if Sony weren't "lazy".
Crysis wouldn't have worked on Xbox original if they weren't "lazy"

Optimization only takes you so far. Devs/pubs are ready to make NEXT gen games, however, and they need some FAST RAM, a strong CPU, and a next-gen GPU to make bigger, more complex, and prettier games.

[Donnieboi]

If Wii U is next-gen simply because it's Nintendo's latest console, then I guess that Ouya is next gen too since it came out later. But we all know it's not next gen TECH, so cut the crap Ninty fanboys. Nobody believes that 6 year old tech is next gen no matter how much u try to spin it. And when the real next gen multiplats roll out, with wii u being left behind, then you'll see why it's not next gen.

[Army_of_Darkness]

LOL! i just had to say that;-)

[guitarded77]

Architecture... It determines where developers go.

Whichever architecture is most common (install base) determines where games are made.

Developers are asked by console manufacturers what they'd like to see in terms of architecture, before the system is designed.

What is important to the developer is CPU, RAM and GPU. We are at a point in CPU development where size is flat-lining due to heat restrictions... GPU's are becoming more powerful, and most systems won't even use more than 4-6gb of RAM.

I haven't fully seen the Wii U's specs (I have been looking though), but even the most hardcore Nintendo fans must be aware that the Wii U will not have the same power as the PS4 and NeXBOX.

It's not the end of third party support though. Wii U shouldn't have a problem running MANY games that will be on PS4 and NeXBOX. Remember, AAA power pushing games are more expensive to develope, so not everyone will be making state of the art pixel pushers.

Some games (especially downloadable only) will run on Wii U too. EA and Nintendo have a shaky relationship, but Ubisoft and Platinum Games and Capcom have shown support. As long as Nintendo can sell consoles, games will be made.

I don't worry about it because I own all consoles, which is the best option if you are willing to spend the money. If not, buy the console which is best suited to you.

QUESTION: Does anyone know how many ALU's are in the Wii U GPU?

[southernbanana]

:-)

[user3915800]

There it is another publisher saying it out loud and I agree nintendo wiiu its a retro console with a poor handheld, sorry, I love nintendo, but the facts remain its a retro machine that can do what ps3 and 360 can do poorly.

[AdvanceWarsSgt]

Wait......are you saying that the 3DS is poor or the WiiU tablet is poor?

[metroid32]

People forget AMD confirmed via Twitter that the wiiu uses a custom HD67** series so even the lowest of that series walk rings around the HD6670 that 720 and ps4 have,google it a respected dev confirmed this gpu for both consoles ie weaker than WiiU.

GET OVER IT WIIU GPGPU IS BEAST WE HAVE A XENOBLADE TRAILER TO PROVE IT NOT JUST CHEAP TALK and Moonlith say zero cpu issues or limitations just like Michel ancel zero limitations,and gearbox ect ect proof is in the pudding is what i say and Xenoblade looked way beyond current sub HD consoles,Beyonetta2 looked like an open world Beyonetta that demolishes the 1st one in everything scope,gameplay,graphics,you name it.

[ziggurcat]

@ metroid32

1. none of the specs on the next playstation/xbox have been confirmed, so talking about the GPU being weaker on those systems is hearsay.

2. you're forgetting that the next playstation/xbox will likely have significantly more available RAM (probably faster, too), and a better CPU.

so really... quit trying to grasp at straws when it's painfully obvious that the next playstation/xbox will be way more powerful than the wii u.

and lol - nintendo just only joined the HD realm, so how is the PS3/X360 "sub HD"? xenoblade looks way beyond current consoles? give me a break... every current and upcoming first party title on X360/PS3 say, "hi."

[southernbanana]

@ Metroid 32
Xenoblade Chronicles, my favorite wii game, is nowhere near the graphical level of the Xbox 360 and PS3. Not sure where you are getting the idea the wii is at the same level of the other two. Does it matter? No. Just find your rational interesting at the most.

[Soplox]

@ziggurcat & @southernbanana

He's taking about this game

[LOL_WUT]

Finally this debate can be put to rest... ;)

[PopRocks359]

Because someone from Kotaku tweeted that someone from EA made a statement about the Wii U?

Seriously, get real.

[danthegardner]

Yes PopRocks359, yes.

[HammadTheBeast]

Bang bang...

[GraveLord]

From a specs standpoint it obviously isn't. I think even Nintendo fanboys can't deny it. EA and all these big 3rd party companies are building these high-end engines for PS4/720 and even PC. Wii U is the last thing on their mind with these engines.

[solid_warlord]

Nintendo Wii U is increasingly looking like it will be like the Gamecube...Im really worried for them. The Wii U is meant to be the console that competes againt Ps4 & xbox next, i dont think they will be able to compete. I

[1upgamer99]

I'm just saying "Looking like it will be like the Gamecube" have you forgotten that PS2 had far less power than Gamecube, yet blew Xbox/Gamecube out of the water?

[solid_warlord]

@1upgamer99 hahaha the Gamecube was not far more powerfull than ps2 u retard...The Sony brand also made Nintendo Gamecube sound like a childs play. Sony was dominant force, the Xbox was more Powerful than PS2 but you couldnt see a huge difference, but ps2 had better games. Nintendo had childish games, why do they continue that path. Take for example there network...they are way behind Xbox Live & PSN. The entire online is child freindly. Most men do not think Nintendo Wii U is a console for grown men.

[Outside_ofthe_Box]

***"Never count Nintendo out. They have great IPs. You will see a bounce when they bring these out. We see no correlation between Wii U sales and what we expect from other next-gen consoles, can't talk a lot about that though. What we describe as "Gen 4" is yet to come. We're excited and investing in it."***

Why are they calling it "gen 4"? Isn't next gen the 8th?

[Joegrine20]

This isn't hard, you guys.

Quote:
We see no correlation between Wii U sales and what we expect from other next-gen consoles, can't talk a lot about that though.
Translation: Wii U is next-gen, but we don't think it's struggles will translate to other upcoming platforms.

Quote:
What we describe as "Gen 4" is yet to come. We're excited and investing in it.
Translation: We also haven't invested anything into new engines for Wii U, meaning all of our products for it are using old code/frameworks/paradigms -- thus even though the Wii U is next-gen as a platform, our games for it are not. "Gen 4" represents the new framework for forthcoming, more graphics-oriented games.

[Outside_ofthe_Box]

Now it all makes sense when you see the quote in it's entirety and understand it's meaning.

***"We see no correlation between Wii U sales and what we expect from other next-gen consoles"***

Keyword: OTHER meaning they think of Wii U as next gen.

The quote was taken out of context... and look at the result it brought with the comments on here.. shoddy journalism and typical kotaku, LOL!

[Ju]

That just means, the WiiU as it stands doesn't justify the investment in pushing the envelope. First it doesn't sell like the Wii did - nor the current consoles for that matter - and it doesn't push the envelope enough to make this "minimalistic" leap forward. While with PS4/720 the leap will be bigger and the market impact will be significantly bigger as well. Those are two paltform none the less. WiiU might see some improved content as soon as the new consoles are out.
Doing this with the WiiU now would still not push the next gens and require another upgrade cycle when those release - with the WiiU being somewhere inbetween the current and next gens. As a developer I can understand you'd rather make one big step than two small ones.

[yeahokchief]

I agree it's not.

More importantly it also currently does not have enough games for core gamers.

No metroids. No new Zeldas. No new anything exciting really.

And the stuff they do put out is all focused at teenagers or younger. I do not see this console picking up at its current pace. Waste of money.

[xursz]

I've been saying this forever. I can't find anything that makes me want to have the system and the price is still too much even if i did want it.

[morkendo23]

from JAY2
no it's not.

who CARES!!!! long as friendly gaming is before you.
everyone not into 3rd person shooters,first person shooters,multi-online player shooter games as yourself.
some might say they like zelda,pikmon,metroid,castlevan ia,contra more than those game.

[live2play]

its not !?
D:
oh no! now i wont be able to enjoy
the wonderful 101
pikmin 3
smash bros u
xeno U
super mario U
bayonetta 2
windwaker HD
..oh no wait

[ape007]

they are very good games but nothing compares to a new generation leap

[lfclee]

Jay2 your the expert now are you ? The Wii u is a a next gen console how I know I have one and I will tell you there community is absolutely brilliant nice people and great games on the way !

[showtimefolks]

Here we go again publishers or developers saying ts not next gen and Nintendo fans denying it all the way. Bottom line is this is a bad sign 3rd party support wise

In 2013 most big games are skipping wiiu, I would love to know the R&D that went into gamepad and the cost of gamepad that could have gone to improve the actual specs of the system and we could have survived with a normal controller like Sony and ms have

But it is what it is. I said it before and I will say it again the day ps4 and xbox720 hts the market is the day wiiu becomes not last gem but also not this gen and its not a good thing to be stuck in the middle

[Enemy]

Wii U owners have two ways to look at this opinion.

1. You could accept that it isn't, and that it's only really competing against the PS3 and 360, as the Wii wasn't HD.

2. You could deny it, and then feel sad when the PS4 and next Xbox come out with superior hardware specs.

[AsheXII]

Actually that is not what EA said.

[NYC_Gamer]

It's not when really compare Wii-U hardware Vs current gen..

[Kevlar009]

The WiiU is just getting started. 2 months vs 6-7 years is no contest

[HammadTheBeast]

Yes, but next-gen should NOT be compared to current-gen, it just shouldn't happen. We shouldn't be saying "Hey the Wii U is better than current gen" and arguing about it, it should be a clear fact. When the next gen competition comes in, that's when the final statement will be made.

[chestnut1122]

"The sales of Wii U were smooth at the beginning but since the turn of the year they have been losing momentum," Nintendo President Satoru Iwata told reporters in Osaka after revealing the loss forecast. He blamed the lacklustre performance on a dearth of games titles to woo players back.

[Donnieboi]

But it's already using 6 year old tech. If u think it can be pushed much further than good luck with that buddy. Even a 25% increase will be nothing when Ps4/720 release. Sorry.

[Old McGroin]

Don't really care if it's next gen or not (it's not), Nintendo's exclusives are always exceptional so a HD Nintendo console is welcome. I was getting bored of the 360 and PS3 so the Wii U is good for a change. It could do with a few more games though!

[finbars75]

Getting bored on the 360 and ps3?Im sorry but the Ipad has been around for a while with awsome fun games that cost next to nothing.Why would I shell $350 for something we all I have.The games are still mediocre and they still cant come up with anything new and innovative console and games.Its like Im playing the same games from the original nintendo.Nintendos days are numbered and they are paying for it with this console.sales are terrible along with there games.Nintendo has never understood how to attract every gamer instead they confuse people with the wii-u.next gen no even close this gen yes but this gen is t the end so nintendo needs to not only stay with current gens they need to figure whats more important gamers or themselves.

[n4f]

nintendo day numbered?
clearly delusional

[ThyMagicSword]

What are you talking about, the Ipad should not even be considered as videogame-platform. "The games are still mediocre", the good ones are not even out yet and Nintendo does not need to attract everyone, they have their fanbase, while gaining some new customers each day. I have bought a Xbox 360 this gen (my first console from MS) and I greatly regret it, the console got boring really fast. Ps3 has offered much more for me, good exclusive games and PSN were good, but some games lacked substance, good graphics does not mean good gameplay, to tell the truth ... I've bought the Ps3 for Team ICO's The Last Guardian, waiting for several years for a release window now and still there is no precise release date, the game I enjoyed the most on my Ps3 was Shadow of the Colossus HD (which per se, is a last gen game) and some Demon's Souls of course. Should I buy the next Playstation just for one game (The Last Guardian) or the next Xbox, although I know they won't have enough exclusives, other than shooters like Halo or Gears of War ...looking at the Wii U, one can notice, that the line-up is starting to look good, so why is the Wii U hated? I don't understand this hate, give the console it's time, in time you'll see, that the hate wasn't justified at all.

[s45gr32]

Well okay have fun with the wii u. I do disagree about wii u offering a change from ps3 or 360 is the same thing now with a tablet attached to it.....

[Seraphemz]

Bored?? How many iterations of a Mario game can one take...

[Old McGroin]

I haven't had a Nintendo console since the SNES so Mario is pretty fresh to me. I think the question should be how many iterations of Halo, Uncharted, God Of War, Gears of War and COD can one take because I feel like I'm playing the exact same games with different coloured backgrounds for the last 7 years. And that gets pretty boring.

[BullyMangler]

who's gonna play every mario game out there ? . .thats why thers mario galaxy 2 (:

[zillanoir]

How many mario games... real mario games does one see each generation? One or two tops. How about halo,call of duty,little big planet, gears of wars etc,etc? More than two gens of mario games. Ha, regardless if wii u can produce better quality games in many areas with lazy ports like cod blk ops 2 at the begining of its life how can it be on par or less than the pervios gen? No sense there.
I remember clear ther was a slight bump initially for 360 over the 1st gen xbox but it was well into the year when u really could tell the jump. They just got better n maxed out.
Haters gonna hate i know i know but atleast make sense.

[thezeldadoth]

when's the last time EA made anything even remotely as good as the games Nintendo makes. The games nintendo make on wii-u will be exceptional, and i don't need nvidia physx and 16x AA to enjoy them, not that sony and msofts consoles will be able to do those either. I use my PC for things like that.

[s45gr32]

Well put use the PC for multiplats and the wii u for its exclusives.

[SilentNegotiator]

"when's the last time EA made anything even remotely as good as the games Nintendo makes"

You can't be THAT delusional...or can you?

[thezeldadoth]

which games then? I think the last 2 mass effect games were terrible, TOR sucked, BF3 is average. The only one i can say i enjoyed published by EA was need for speed most wanted.

[Imalwaysright]

Dragon Age and Dead Space are some of the best games I played this Gen.

[kupomogli]

Mirror's Edge, The Saboteur, Need for Speed Most Wanted, Dead Space 1 and 2, Army of Two 1 and 2, Dante's Inferno, Dragon Age Origins, Battlefield 3, and Fight Night Champion.

EA has published a lot of amazing games this gen.

[sitharrefus]

Next article "The Wii U has no games"......

[josephayal]

it is only current gen soon to be last gen

[BullyMangler]

"it is only current gen soon to be last gen"

Then why does Res Evil 1 Remake LOOK current Gen? . . that game is for the GameCube (:

[ZigZagLagger]

personally, this generation of gaming wasnt as impressive as last's. I wonder what will come in the new next-gen

[HarryMasonHerpderp]

I'll get a good idea on whether I'll get a WiiU or not after this years E3.

[Clover904]

If Nintendo doesn't have your money now,you're probably end up spending your money elsewhere. It'll be tougher sell with two new consoles debuting.

[HarryMasonHerpderp]

That depends on what Sony and Microsoft announce though. To be honest I will more than likely get a PS4 but if Nintendo announce some killer exclusives I will have to pick up a Wii-U as well.
Like I said though I wont get a good idea on what I'll be buying until I see what's on offer at E3.
I'm really looking forward to Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo going all out, should be a very important E3 for the industry.

[lilbroRx]

Perhaps I will, but that elsewhere definitely won't be with Sony, Microsoft or EA.

[thezeldadoth]

and of course a kotaku member responded on that first on twitter. typical kotaku nintendo hating fanboys. I've seen newly made amateur sites with better journalism talent than kotaku.

[ElectricKaibutsu]

Yeah, they should have made the Wii U more powerful, but in the end it doesn't really matter. Nintendo is still a profitable company; they'll still make Zelda, Metroid, and Smash Bros.; and this gen their games will actually have the ability to look good with a decent graphics card, enough RAM, and no more 480p. It's not the next gen gamers wanted but I still see the Wii U as a good secondary system.

[s45gr32]

EA is just stating the obvious, another flame article.

[cee773]

Even game devs are saying it,
I guess that makes EA fanboys lol /s

[stonecold3]

that's what I metioned it s only this gen console and had a lot of disagrees for saying it not next gen ?

[jjank11]

Im getting sick of this whole debate. Who cares about Next-gen, this-gen, that-gen or whatever-gen. Play them all for whatever enjoyment they may bring.
Nintendo has a conservative business strategy and they undertstand better than the others that is about the gameplay and how you interact with your games and not necessarily how many terraflops they can put out. I mean what is even the point to have amazing hardware if it is only utilized to its fullest by a small percent of developers. Also, developers are going to have to spend more and more money to make the next-gen games. You think that will result in lower game prices or more and better games??
I don't even know why i allow myself to get involved, just too tempting, i guess.

[stuna1]

I don't think its ever been about whether the WII U is this gen or next gen! Considering most of us who commented since the unveiling of the WII U, have seen the die-hard as well as the nintend haters change their stances!

First it was about the specs and how the WII U was going to slaughter this gens competition and..... possibly next gens as well!

Then we have the graphics debate as far as visual fidelity and, pixal counting! How every game would stun the senses in pure unadultuated 1080 progressive glory with a rock solid 60 frame rate per second to boot! Then it was 720p with 60 fps or, was it 1080p with 30 fps what-have-you?

Then it was the tablet being so ground-breaking, that nothing could compare to the goodness that must have been forged by the gods on Olympus! But yet and still there are devices out there that are doing pretty much the same things but having more functionality.

And now we come full circle, to what its been about all along! The games or better yet gameplay! Which is absolutely ridiculous considering everyone has a preference and regardless of what new fangled gadget comes next or shiny pristen graphics marvel rears its head, it'll always come down to how does it play? And IMO all three have offered something to the pot in that respect.

[Gamer39]

WiiU not true next-gen console, but awesome nice visuals and unique japan games coming this platform.

Ps and Xbox 70% FPS/TPS console. Nintendo not, and dear EA, your games 80% shit next-gen or not.

[BitbyDeath]

Why lump Playstation in that market?
Let's look at what they're releasing this year.

Ni No Kuni - JRPG
Sly Cooper - Action/Adventure
God of War Ascension - Action/Adventure
Beyond Two Souls - Interactive Drama
The Last of Us - Survival/Adventure
Until Dawn - Survival Horror/Interactive Drama

Not an FPS/TPS in sight.

[Gamer39]

Playstation best selling game CoD series and Battlefield 3 this FPS games.
Uncharted series TPS game.

Xbox best selling game Cod series Halo and Battlefield 3 FPS.
Gears of War series TPS game.

This all games "hardcore" consoles blockbusters.

Ni No Kuni - JRPG very nice, but not blockbusters,this game only japan your list.
Beyond Two Souls - Interactive movie not pure game.
The Last of Us - TPS/Adventure.

Nintendo many more unique japan games.
Wii/DS.
WiiU/3DS.

Monster Hunter 3-4, Xenoblade, X, SMG-1-2, Bayonetta 2, Zelda WW remake, Dragon Quest VII remake, Dragon Quest X, The Last Story, Bravely Default: Flying Fairy etc..this games all japan.

And many more coming 3DS and WiiU.

[BitbyDeath]

How can you say in one statement -
'Nintendo many more unique japan games.'
Yet also state - 'Beyond Two Souls - Interactive movie not pure game'
Your idea of unique seems a bit close minded.

'The Last of Us - TPS/Adventure'
Last of Us isn't a TPS anymore than Mario Kart. Yes you occasionally fire a weapon but that is not the focus of the genre. Survival is.

[Ezz2013]

you are trying to use logic with a dude
who think beyond don't have gameplay and the last of us is TPS !!

and he just said that only japan games are the more unique games !! -___-

just drop it bitbydeath
it's not worth your time
let him think and say whatever help him sleep this night

[Skips]

If we are talking about exclusives. Gran Turismo (Racing sim) is the highest selling on PS3. Next would be games like Uncharted (Action Adventure/TPS), God Of War (Hack n Slash), LittleBigPlanet (Platformer), Heavy Rain (Interactive Movie), Metal Gear Solid (Action Stealth Espionage), Infamous (Open World/ Action Adventure), and Motorstorm (Racing). Most of these have outsold straight up shooter exclusives on the PS3 such as Killzone and Resistance. How the hell does Beyond Two Souls not count as a "pure game" LOOOOOOOL. And if you actually did your research. You'd know the The Last Of Us is actually an Action Adventure/Survival Horror hybrid if anything.

"Monster Hunter 3-4, Xenoblade, X, SMG-1-2, Bayonetta 2, Zelda WW remake, Dragon Quest VII remake, Dragon Quest X, The Last Story, Bravely Default: Flying Fairy"

LMAO, most of those games can be put into pretty much one genre. (Except Bayonetta). That ain't exactly unique, nor diverse.

Why are you including Bayonetta 2 anyways when we all know Wii U gamers probably won't buy it?

You have no idea what you're talking about buddy.

[kunluncat]

Agree! Also do not forget the region lock on wiiu. Even there will be many jrpgs on wiiu, how many of them will be localized? And if some of them are localized, how many years you have to wait for? One or two years?

[Seraphemz]

Its Next Gen....from the Wii. More like current gen when compared to 360 and PS3.

I always thought that it was weird to compare Wii in the same league as the 360 and PS3.

Wii had no HD, and most of the games graphics sucked compared to the other too..

WiiU seems to be on par with the 360 and PS3, but with the next consoles, Nintendo will be behind again.

[Zodiac]

I'm really angry at EA and their relations with Nintendo as of late. They got up on stage at E3 2011 to announce a "great partnership" and how happy they were to work with Nintendo. Now, we have rushed ports with lacking content, releasing ME3 without the first two games, then releasing a trilogy collection for everything else.

How could the CEO for EA(i think it was the CEO) and Iwata get on the E3 stage together and now EA gives them the worst support possible.

[Zeppelino]

You've said it all :)

[Kevlar009]

PS4 and Nextbox will have to have top of the line power, or else the whole "WiiU is not next-gen" argument will be dead. We're talking about HD vs non-HD difference, not PS3 vs 360 difference.

Watch EA not even try to create an IP for the WiiU that maximizes hardware, which is where the problem lies.

I'm saving this article for when the "Next-gen" is revealed. Should be interesting to compare then to now

[smashman98]

Nintendo will be fine obviously they left room for a price drop so I think well be seeing that sometime later this year fall perhaps

[animegamingnerd]

aren't 90% of the wii u's library current gen titles anyways

[Plagasx]

THANK YOU. Wii U is nothing but a catch up system.

Too late to the game Nintendo.

[1upgamer99]

They said "Not Quite" meaning that 720/PS4 will have more Power, NOT that the Wii U is under powered. There are plenty of developers who are working on it. Gearbox/Sega, Monolith Soft, Two Tribes, Oh yeah and also EA have all said good things about Wii U. I don't know too many people who thought the Wii U would be a mega powerhouse. It still has more power than PS3/360. Look at The Last of Us. If PS3 can pull that off and Wii Has even 20% more power, that is enough for me. (Until PS4 of coarse)

[metroidfusion2]

The wii u is already doing things the ps3 and 360 can't do and obviously games built from the ground up will look better then games built from the ground up on the 360 and ps3 now whether that is sooner or later who knows and im sure there are some examples but for games to obviously look better then ps3 and 360 games shit it might be this year or next year but it will happen and I'm sure more games on the system will be doing things the ps3 and 360 can't do and its funny how nintendo does nothing right and can't do this and wont do that and will not get these games etc etc so many people think they know what will happen when they don't know shit lol but to know the facts there is somethinh called a search engine and you can do RESEARCH and know all of the facts you want and if you still have questions then wait for it to probably be addressed with an update to the console or just message nintendo directly

[stuna1]

Yes it is doing things that the other two can't! But at what cost? Being slightly better?
I would expect some type of progression or improvements, considering that the WII U is being compared to a 7 & 8 year console! Wouldn't you?

[NobleTeam360]

Nintendo's first mistake was making their next gen console to compete with 7 year old hardware.

[ThyMagicSword]

I look after games, I am no fan of the hardware, I just look after the games and if the line-up looks boring in my eyes, than I do not buy, simple. Do not care if it is last gen/this gen/next gen or the gen after this gen, if the line-up is bad, the line-up is bad.

[Protagonist]

I agree and that Wii U launch line-up was bad, really bad and boring.

[Ritsujun]

Yup, bunch of kiddie/girlish/family iOS/Android games.

[ThyMagicSword]

EA is not next-gen, their games gameplay plays sooo outdated. EA will be forever last-gen and forgotten and because of that they're trying something to be not forgotten, some time in the distant future, explorer/scientists will find the EA Basis under the artic snow & ice.

[LOL_WUT]

You seem mad over this chill out. ;)

[rytlok]

ill stick with my wiiu im more then happy with it

[RuleofOne343]

Don't really care haven't been a tendo fan since duck hunt, punch-out. But as for the delay to fuse that sucks..

[Gamer39]

@BitbyDeath.

Last of Us isn't a TPS? Look gameplay, its TPS/Action-adventure.

Beyond Two Souls - Interactive movie not pure game, yes its true. Pure game? C'Mon Man.

Go play SMG 1-2, Bayonetta, Witcher 1-2, old JRPG Chrono Trigger-Chrono Cross, Dragon Quest VII-VIII etc. This is pure video games. Not "Interactive drama".

[BitbyDeath]

'Last of Us isn't a TPS? Look gameplay, its TPS/Action-adventure.'

TPS stands for Third-Person-Shooter.
It is Third-Person but it is not a shooter.
Silent Hill is a great example of another game which is not a TPS yet features guns.

'Beyond Two Souls - Interactive movie not pure game, yes its true. Pure game? C'Mon Man.'

Have you played Heavy Rain or just watched trailers? It looks like a movie but you have full control over it. More so than most other games. eg. often it goes down into detail of being able to control the speed of actions and not just the performance of them.

[Karpetburnz]

oops, I diddnt direct that comment at you by the way, That was a mistake.

[Karpetburnz]

Yes The Last of Us is third person, BUT Its not classed a shooter game, Therefore its not a TPS.

The game does have shooting, but thats not the main gameplay focus. Ammo is very limited throughout the game, hand to hand combat probably plays a bigger role than Guns do.

Its a Third person Survival/ Action-Adventure with some shooting elements.

[Ritsujun]

How old are you, 3?
Learn to differentiate games.

[jacksheen0000]

Guys

Publishers/Developers are just as much human as everyone here, they get bored too.

They need something to keep them exited for the entire life span of a gaming console.

10 years a long time to invest especially when Dev have to make sure their working with tools/cutting edge tech to stay on top of the market.

So unfortunately, the Wii U doesn't bring that excitement that they're looking for.

[PopRocks359]

Well, the anti-Nintendo brigade wasted no time showing up here. Lets ignore the multiple developers and publishers who have praised this platform in the past.

Like Vigil, Gearbox, Shin'en, Epic and even Crytek.

Oh and this is coming from a member of Kotaku. This community never fails.

[fatstarr]

dont forget the Dream team brewing up at RETRO and SUDA51

[chadboban]

Wait, has Suda confirmed that he's making a Wii U game? I'd love to see No More Heroes 3.

[DivineAssault]

Its not nx gen poprocks.. No matter how u try to justify what it does & how it does it.. Nx gen isnt here yet BUT it almost is.. When u see it, u will know it.. Its nintendos newest console & theres really no other way to put it.. They are just in a different category as hardware devs.. After Gamecube, they were no longer in the console wars & probably never will be again.. I wanna see Unreal 4 or Luminous Engines on wii u without major downscaling

[Ck1x]

you won't see unreal 4 or Luminous on PS4 or 720 without down scaling! So what's your point in that statement? I like how you fanboys know willingly that both demos by Square and Epic were using hardware close to 3Tflops in power. But yet for some reason these new systems will achieve this so called next-gen benchmark with much less... keep trying though. PS4&720 will be next-gen systems just as the wiiu is as well. But if you guys think these systems will usher in some new state in graphic fidelity, you will be disappointed. Just as UE3 was not maxed out on the PS3&360, UE4 will not be fully utilized on PS4&720 either. These engines were created with high-end pc's in mind, but also scalable to lesser platforms at the same time.(so on a technical level all of the consoles are outdated. If there are more stronger suitable gpu's on the market, then this must be true!)

[TheUndertaker85]

Vigil Games about WiiU(Btw, they're now owned by Crytek...) - http://www.nintendolife.com...

Gearbox must still be excited too. Ya know. All the excitement they had for the WiiU before launch, before they even knew what the final specs would be... They must've been so excited they let a company outside of Gearbox do the WiiU version. - http://www.videogamer.com/w...

Crytek had the same excitement before launch but yet Crysis 3, their upcoming title that should do pretty well, isn't going to the WiiU. Add in the fact that EA is Crytek's publisher... - http://www.examiner.com/art...

Epic talked up the system before launch too but an actual full Epic title for WiiU has yet to be announced. They seem too busy debating if Unreal Engine 4 will run on the WiiU. - http://mynintendonews.com/2...

And why would Shin'en talk up the WiiU? It's not like they're only making titles for Nintendo systems or anything... - http://www.shinen.com/games...

[PopRocks359]

Many of these devs had devkits at the time of their quotes, smart alec. And by the way, Shin'en developed Nano Assault for the 360 and PS3 prior to the Neo version on the Wii U.

Oh, and Gearbox has already gone on record that the Wii U version of Aliens will be the best looking, console wise.

So nice try, but try again.

[FlyingFoxy]

Wii U is bound to get at least 5 must haves, and probably 10 great games.

So a couple of handfuls of great games, worth it if you like those games, so personally i will be using that with my PC and possibly a PS4.

Wii U does have potential to have games that are better looking than 360/ps3, but it doesn't help that Reggie lied saying multiplats look significantly better on Wii U.

[GribbleGrunger]

That is not a good sign. What EA are doing here is drawing a line in the sand, which means they'll treat the Wiiu as a current gen system and the 720/PS4 as a next gen console. The positives are that the Wiiu won't be used as the lowest common denominator come next gen; the bad news is that Nintendo will struggle to get any great support from EA. I'll say it again because I clearly haven't said it enough. Wiiu owners better hope that developers embrace the PS3/Vita combo because that will guarantee more support for the Wiiu.

[fatstarr]

Ps3 vita support costs twice as much money, you need 2 copies of the same game. so if anything that's bad.

the wiiu can stand on its own two feet when its at 25 million and the devs come running over for fast cash then everyone forgets the things they said in the previous years.

[GribbleGrunger]

Dear oh dear, will you people stop pulling that old chestnut out every time the combo is mentioned. It has absolutely nothing to do with what I'm saying here. But I will address it nevertheless and start another pointless round of finger poking and penis grabbing because clearly you see what I've written as an anti Nintendo post and not just my personal and objective observations: 80% of PS3 owners own a Vita. That's over three million combos out there already. You would not need two games as demonstrated clearly by LBP2/Vita.

Fella, I'm on Nintendos side here. The combo would offer devs another way of gaining revenue from making a wiiu type game. Less risk and more games for you to play on your Wiiu.

[MasterCornholio]

GribbleGrunger
"But I will address it nevertheless and start another pointless round of finger poking and penis grabbing"

Penis Grabbing? Hand Jobs....

Now im disturbed.......

Oh great now when i read finger poking im reminded of Freddy got Fingered.

Pointless round of Fingering and hand jobs................. sounds like a gay orgy to me.

[fatstarr]

salty cause no Nintendo owners were gonna pick up their shitty rehashed sports games.

and besides that's good, if everyone is a 2 console house why waste money picking up the same game twice. save the support so we don't hear bitching about x game didn't sell like hot cakes on x system.

and wtf is this gen 4.

its gen 8 EA. Dont disrespect previous consoles.

[chadboban]

Wow, Wii U is really taking a beating today. Hmmm... makes me wonder if Pachter and EA coordinated this, LOL.

Ah, whatever. The lineup looks good to me so far and I've already stated I'm definitely getting one in the future, most likely with a PS4 as well. I'll enjoy my games while people can continue to fight online about whether this or that is "Next-gen".

I just want good games man.

[Drainage]

who cares, its not like anyone here even buys EA games so you guys can use this to fuel your hate and fear of nintendo domination but it doesnt change anything.

we will play unique games, you can play 'interactive' beyond 2 souls and the 10 TPS clones with different themes (uncharted, tomb raider, starwars 1313, ETC ETC ETC).

[Qrphe]

Why are we still arguing about this????????

It is a next-gen console in name. Yes, it's more powerful than the PS360 (we already KNOW what's inside), yes, the other upcoming system will be even more powerful.

[profgerbik]

Well it's practically common sense when all everyone is doing is comparing the Wii U to current generation consoles, why on earth would it be Next Generation?

As I have always said it's Nintendo's Next Gen console just like practically Sony pointed out and it's not necessarily a bad thing but considering Nintendo has for the most part always been behind console wise even when they had better hardware it wasn't being pushed to do anything more than what lower spec machines were doing was the problem.

So it shouldn't matter to anyone now, the only time it bothers me is when people brag about how the Wii U is going to kill the PS4 and 720 things that haven't even been released yet but all the Wii U can be compared to is 7 year old systems..

When people are comparing the PS4, 720 and the Wii U and the Wii U is outperforming both you can brag all you want but it just isn't justified to compare it to really old consoles.

That is the problem I think with many Nintendo users, they mainly never care about hardware and that is what Nintendo delivers to you each time. Thing is if you cared more about hardware you would know about the only thing in the Wii U better than current generation is the GPU which is barely better than the others but that doesn't mean much when the CPU is far weaker.

I mean if the N64 was such a powerhouse Playstation would not have done nearly as well as they did but they did well because they were pushing the PS1. The N64 had really fun games but they never pushed the hardware of the N64 which had double the memory of the PS1 at the time but only produced games that matched in quality.

So like I said if you are Nintendo fan and you are here commenting on this chances are you actually do care about hardware because like I said this is nothing new at all with Nintendo so these articles should not even bother you knowing what you bought but I guess that is the problem. Many Nintendo fans never care to learn about hardware or ask for more out of it or really care what is inside what they buy.

It's almost like the stigma the Apple iPhone has created with it's user base. Even though their phones are far from the best their user base barely knows anything about what they own they just talk it up because they were told it's the best but anyone who has probably just built a computer once in their life would know based on the Wii U components it just isn't technically real Next Generation console something that truly breaks free from what we have seen.

The new Xenoblade or whatever it will be looks great but again it's nothing that could not have been done on the PS3 or Xbox 360 graphically so again it's nothing new to many.

I just feel if you truly don't care about hardware there is no need to even defend your hardware which I see many Nintendo fans here claiming they don't but then defending the Wii U which I find a little contradicting.

I just always think it's important to care about hardware and software both are important. It's like having a body, without a brain. They both work cohesively so people should not be so afraid to care about hardware, it doesn't make you a horrible person just because you care about both.

[stragomccloud]

Actually people who build pcs like me know that the Wii U is a next gen console. It does directx 11 equivalent. The other consoles will be more powerful yes, but they are all already out of date the moment they release compared to pcs.

Wii U has a gpu similar to the amd 6000 series and ps4 and 720 will be 7000 series. I'm personally waiting for a new 8000 series rp drop into my pc.

[browngamer41]

Ahh N4G the site known for it's trolls jumping the gun-I can't wait to see the correction from EA within the next few days saying this was taken out of context or misunderstood, it's happened before and will happen again-some guy from Kotaku tweets this statement from EA(which I don't see the name Nintendo or WIIU in that statement regardless of implication) and all the trolls and haters from this site jump all over it like white on rice..lol. Will these same people that are bashing the system to high heaven be here when a clarification gets released? Nope-where were all you guys when multiple devs from 5th Cell to Vigil and Gearbox stated already that the U is indeed quite powerful and next gen?

[gumgum99]

"Wow. EA just said Wii U isn't a next-generation console. "

-Jason Schreier on twitter

What EA really said: "What we're describing as gen four has yet to come."

Helps to read the article. Whether or not EA implied that is another matter.

[Jek_Porkins]

Despite what someone at EA says, the Wii U is technically next generation simply because of the number of consoles Nintendo has released. Nintendo has always been about accessibility and fun gameplay. The Wii U is definitely fun, I'd love to see some of the rumored E3 titles in action, Smash Brothers, Zelda and a 3D Mario game, but I've been more then happy with my purchase.

It is looking like Nintendo will get the short end of the stick when it comes to third party support, but that seems to be the trend with every Nintendo console. I think I don't speak just for myself when I say I didn't buy a Wii U or any Nintendo console for third party games. Hopefully the third party companies will support the Wii U, but even if they don't Nintendo has enough to make the console successful.

I believe Nintendo relied a bit too much on New Super Mario Brother's U for the launch, and while it's an excellent game, most Nintendo fans have NSMB2 on DS or Wii.

[SonyNGP]

The heck is "Gen Four"?

[sdplisken]

i liked nintendo back in the n64/gamecube days

sadly they sold out the core gamer in favor of soccer moms and grammas

hope that wii fit money was worth it ninty

[jacksheen0000]

Agreed,It does seem like Nintendo will get the short end of the stick when it comes to third party.

But the real issue I have with Nintendo is that all of their AAA titles haven't evolve as much since the NES days.

Take Sega's sonic for example, the graphic and play mechanics have improved a lot since it first was release on the Sega Genesis. Now don't get me wrong, Mario Galaxy was a masterpiece but in comparison to Sonic Generation it fall behind. Sonic Generation surpasses Mario Galaxy by a huge margin in terms of Graphics, play mechanics, and fun factor.

[KontryBoy706]

Being that EA has officially tested what ever they are making on PS4/720 and Wii U, I'd say it's safe to say they know what the hell they are talking about.

[ozstar]

Just think about it, in another 8 years the only third-party that isn't bankrupt will be EA.

Screw EA for wasting their time on mobile games, screw EA for patches/dlcs/paid everything, and screw EA for their anti competitive behaviour and strangling control measures.

[wiiulee]

lol the same ea loving the wiiu....the wiiu is the perfect system right now and with all the features and uniqueness its def next generation and will be copied by competitors..then again they will say 3ds is not next generation , yet its 30 million ahead right?

[TiberusX87]

Word: Next-Generation

Definition: pertaining to the next generation in a family; also, pertaining to the next stage of development or version of a product, service, or technology

The Wii-U by definition is Next-Generation as it is a progression of the previous product. I think people need to learn to use words correctly. I'm tired of hearing this.

[HonestDragon]

The system has only been out for a few months. For crying out loud, gamers who decry the Wii U as a flop haven't even given it a chance. It's like when people thought that when Obama took office that he would magically fix the economy in four years.

Reality check: life doesn't work like that! Obama nor anyone else couldn't fix the economy in that kind of time span as much as the Wii U couldn't be getting numerous supposed core games in three months that people are whining over. EA should be one to talk considering that last year wasn't exactly their best year. Medal of Honor: Warfighter anyone? Worst Company in America ring any bells?

And we are actually in the eighth generation. The Nintendo 3DS, Playstation Vita, and Wii U are part of that. The Xbox 720 and Playstation 4 will be joining it soon, but the new generation is here. All EA has to do is get their ego in check and realize that not everything they shelve out is gold when it really is anything but.

[WeskerChildReborned]

Well then let's see what a "next gen system" will actually look like.

[Droid Control]

I agree with EA, it not!

Its got crap specs, its over priced, and has no games!

[zugdar]

Define "Next Gen". Does it have to be raw horsepower?

[arbitor365]

look at any of the rumored PS4 and 720 specs and accounts from people working with the dev kits (like EA is doing). the PS4 and 720 utterly trounce the wii u.

there is no denying it at this point. the wii u's only hope was that the next xbox and playstation consoles would be just as underpowered as the wii u. and they are not. this was not difficult to predict, for anyone whose brain wasn't pickled in fanboyism.

of course, even now, as the evidence is piled to the size of Mount Everest, nintendo fanboys still thumb down any comments who point it out. because they are in pure, unmitigated denial.

[Ck1x]

Actually if you knew anything about the rumored specs, you would know that these systems are projected to be 2-3 x the power of the WiiU. Isn't the PS3 suppose to be twice as powerful as the 360 was. What games on PS3 showcase that it has twice the power of the 360? If this is the case and the new systems from Sony and Microsoft are only marginally better than WiiU.(I say marginal, because to Trounce would be 6-8 x the power of the WiiU! The PS3 did not trounce the 360 in power, so how does it apply here.) Why would the 360 be classed in the same gen with PS3, but not the WiiU with PS4&720? sounds hypocritical to me...

[lovegames718]

bwahhhhh hahahah and here comes the damage control group lead by metroid 32 and Kingofwiiu. Stop it!!!! No one takes you guys seriously or believes what you say. Your the only ones that dont realize that.

xenoblade? hahahahaha again hyping up games before their released like you did with zombi u, how did that turn out? Yeah that had next gen graphics for sure!! lol Please all they showed you was an open, empty world and a guy running around. Nothing impressive sorry to say. Although it looked good nothing i saw spoke next gen. Ps3 or xbox have better looking games that have been out but when its all said and done ill let the professionals say so.

[MilkMan]

Don't care what generation it is.
I want to play the games I love on the only platform they will be on. If developers cant think outside MORE HORSE POWER and a simple controller, then they lack imagination.
Just tells me we are in for a world of FPS all over again in the next gen.
Wii U represents something new and bold and I'm on board with that.
Its the very essence of what games used to be.

[lovegames718]

This is new and bold and def innovative and not stagnant like some companies are with their ips and plumbers

1) Heavy Rain
2)Beyond
3)Lbp and Lbp vita
4)Tear away
5)Puppeteer
6) Starhawk (build and battle)
7) Jouney (new type of mp exp)

i have more games i can mention if youd like and from what is een on that list none were fps games hmmmm interesting. Innovation and evolution does not simply go hand and hand with hardware. In my book if your lacking in software innovation dont bother.

[stragomccloud]

They' re just angry that Nintendo didn't want to make its' online servic Origin like EA wanted.

[ThaBlackBaron]

WHY is ANYTHING even remotely feeding into this BS after the Monolith Trailer? LMAO

1. That trailer CLEARLY proved Wii U IS next Gen
2. This is not even what EA actually said! LOL

[delboy]

Cool, one more reason to boycott EA games.
Started boycotting Fifa and some other games from EA due online passes.
Buying EA games used only, so EA is the looser here, not me:-)
And my Wiiu will mostly be used for exclusive games anyway.

[Apex13]

Riddle me this, What is a next gen console?

Is it just based on power? if it is then it's more powerful then the current gen.

Is it innovation? It does that

I don't get the cries. Sony and MS with all their specs will not push graphics but performance in their next machine.

Whatever happened to just enjoying gaming?

[Ck1x]

So I just wanna put this math out here so I can figure out where the line is being drawn to be considered next-gen. According to the rumored specs, Sony makes PS4 4.5x the power of PS3 and Microsoft makes 720 5x the power of the 360 and these next consoles will be considered next-gen by all. But Nintendo makes the WiiU 2.5x the power of the 360 and somehow it just doesn't make the cut for some reason...(The most unknown factor is that even with the WiiU on store shelves, no one really knows exactly what the specs of this thing are. We are using guesstimates that the gpu is in fact based on the e6760/but a custom version. even the PS4&720 specs are just rumors at this point, but do have a ring of legitimacy to them.)

[Clarence]

I think everyone knows this accept Nintendo fans. The Wii u is HD. Sony and M$ already have HD consoles.

[broken_back-man]

these nintendo fanboys are in denial that the wiiu will be on par with ps4 or nextbox have fun with the same old ips for the last 20 years with no 3rd party support! haha nintendo messed up by being so far behind!

[megamanX2]

you people need to get a life.

[TotalHitman]

Lol, my 12 year old brother bought a Wii U. He doesn't even use the touchscreen, he uses a Wii mote. FAIL Nintendo.

[jakmckratos]

Wii U's 3rd party support will be ASS this time next year. . THeyre going to have to rely on the first party games to get them through and honestly the casual market just isnt what it used to be. Sorry Big N..I hope you got a CRAPTON of first party surprises because it seems like youre first to a party that you are not properly dressed for.

[laxbeav]

This has gone on long enough. The term "next gen" is so misunderstood. It doesn't mean it has the best of everything. It just meant the next one. People who complain about the Wii U's specs have missed the point, just like they missed the point with the Wii. It was never meant to have super high end specs, it was meant to be different. I have a Wii and a Wii U, but I also have a 360 and PS3. They all offer different games and experiences. I wouldn't trade any of them for anything. Yes, I will admit that the Wii U doesn't have the best graphics available, but the games that I have are fun and the system is a blast to play. I'll probably get the next Xbox and PS and they will be fun too. To arbitrarily ignore an entire area of gaming because it doesn't fit your criteria is silly. There is no reason to argue about it. If you don't want to play it then don't play it, but why waste your time trying to convince others, who are having fun, that it's terrible?

[TheUndertaker85]

It's been clear from the start that the WiiU isn't really next gen. As soon as Nintendo started to say, "It has 2 GB RAM... But half of that is used by our OS..." everybody should've known what was coming.

If your OS by itself is eating up that much you've already got issues. I mean come on people. The portable PS Vita has 512 MB overall with the OS being a tiny footprint on its overall use. That's HALF of what is useable in the WiiU with a handheld.

[konohashin]

EA everyone knows that Nintendo didnt agree on helping you with your ORIGIN-world-domination-agenda and refused to make it the download system for WiiU

SO STFU already and do a THQ!

Seriously why did THQ have to go and EA is still around? How unfair....

[Thepcz]

what is 'next gen' is not defined by the consoles graphical capability.

how come most dont understands that?

plus, ea are one to talk about the concept of next gen, they put out almost identical fifa games each year and try to pass them off as 'next gen' fifa titles.

ea should look in the mirror

[Tei777]

People just need to except that each developer/publishers have their own internal concept of what a "next-gen" is. So debating the term is pointless.

What is interesting though is that this implies that the ps3/720 will be a huge leap above the Wii U. Something which sounds obvious but a lot of people have been saying that they expect the new systems to only be marginly more powerful. Similar to dreamcast vs ps2.

[Ljink]

Umm... yes it is. Can a PS3, XBOX360, or Wii stream a console games to the palm of your hand 8 meters away from the console with 1/60th of a second latency? No, as a matter of fact they can't. Why don't you make a console then EA? Graphics of a console do not signify "next-gen" if that's what they think. The Wii U has a standard wireless controller that lasts up to 80 hours! That's insane! Nintendo has always defended themselves and I don't see them backing down. Just brush that dirt right off your shoulder Nintendo... and by brush I mean fling!

[cyclindk]

Not in the slightest, it's very much a "this gen" console.

[broken_back-man]

the wiiu is nintendos vision of next gen but for people like me that like games that use powerful hardware to handle a game with great graphics and physics, for the Nintendo fanboys saying "oh the wiiu cab do Things already 360/ps3 can't do? well I hope so for systems that were out since 05-06 I hope the wiiu can atleast be on par with the 360/ps3! but look at ms and sony first partytitles way ahead of wiiu but other nintendo fan boys saying the wiiu is going to be more powerful than the new systems comibg out? yeah right nintendo was way behing last gen and I bet they will repeate last gen this gen and for people that are "happy" with just wiiu and are sticking with it are going to be sad when the real next gen counsles come out because nintendo isn't going to have any 3rd party support ! crytek jumped ship and I have also heard nintendo fan boys say you only need mario and zelda but you will get bord with no games to play! lol and having 1 controller that costs 180 bucks is a joke same with no dvd player what a truly "next" gen counsle ninty fan boys need to stop being in denial and admit nintendo screwed the pooch on this joke of a system!

[Ljink]

This happens with literally every Nintendo console launch since Wii. Everybody who doesn't see eye candy and specs just dogs it out and it's quite immature and ignorant. Gone are the days when gamers played games for fun. Now they just play the same ole' thing with better graphics.

The reason why Nintendo consoles are immediately ruled out upon announcement is because Nintendo has always dared to be different. They could have easily hooked you up with the next gen specs because they have the money baby, believe me they've got the money. Nintendo just likes to be different and people in the US usually don't like different until they've been exposed to it. Remember Zelda for Gamecube and how everybody ruled it out because of how it looked!? How stupid! And the game was better than Ocarina of Time!

I don't think the Wii was next gen in graphics or specs and it mopped the floor with Xbox360 and PS3. And if you think that The PS4 and 720 or whatever will have a better launch... think again and again because they will most likely cost double the Wii U.

[HalfNerdHalfAmazing]

Nintendo get so much hate is unbelievable yea the Wii u is not a huge leap graphics wise compare to the PS3 and Xbox 360 but that still don't change the fact that the Wii u is next gen