Xbox UK Boss Jabs PS3 Strategy

Xbox UK head Neil Thompson has fired more ammo in the war of words between Microsoft and Sony. Speaking in an interview with Next-Gen European media partner MCV, Xbox UK's senior director said, "Sony itself doesn't seem to be sure of what it's offering; they don't seem to think of PS3 as a games console."

The remarks are, in part, a well-worn criticism of Sony's decision to offer a games machine with blu-ray movie playback capabilities.

[achira]

have they another better point as that the ps3 can do more thing as the xbox360 ? i mean i am happy that it can play movies. noone is so silly to say that the ps3 is not for games, it is for games and more! when ms is so about gaming, why do they release a hd-dvd movie player ? i mean blue-ray can be used for games, hd-dvd addon not, so who does not care about games, its ms, they only care about not have less features than sony has, but they fail! sony has a all in one packet, and its perfect!

[bullet]

achira said "noone is so silly to say that the ps3 is not for games"

CEO Ken Kutaragi said in a June interview with PC Watch, "Speaking about the PS3, we never said we will release a game console," adding that it "is clearly a computer." Kenny K is pretty silly achira;)

[HaHa]

Your posts disgust me always the same news over and over again. And I'm not surprised that it always gets approved as well!
Besides who votes cool on his own post besides you and the mart.
Finally this site is getting a little quite and USEFUL but people like you are ruining the fun for us.
You should lose your last bubble i'm sick of your childish fanboyism.

[DC RID3R]

I be that nucca named rider(DC),
give a round of applause,
they say i'm up 2 no good,
I say i'm down for the cause,
down for whatever goes down,
i'm strapped down to my draws(boxers),
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HARD-BODY

[THAMMER1]

I'm glad your on my friends list bro. Are you ready for some co-op on gears. We only have 5 weeks.

[THAMMER1]

I'm a 360 owner and a gamer first. And the inclusion of the BR drive in the PS3 is the only thing besides the thing being so expensive and hard to develop for to delay it. Even if it was to crush the 360 I would still rather it not have the BR drive.
1. It would not be so expensive.
2. It would be here already so we would know more of what it is about.
3. If Blue Ray tanks we wont be stuck with $600.00 paperweights.
Any one who denies that Sony is getting ahead of them self with the price and the choice of including
BR in the PS3 is a fan boy. I enjoyed the PS1 and still enjoy the PS2 but out of 5 console generations I have never seen a console over $500.00 make it. If they make it past 2 – 3 years I might buy one.

[bilal]

1. it would only be 100$ less expensive atmost...sony would never release ps3 for less than 360... they want to make maximum profits...
so it would not have been a suprise if ps3 was sold at higher price without the blue-ray...
2. it would not be here early except for europe..except probably in more quantities...cell has a very low yield rate..
3. if the blue ray tanks ps3 would still be worth more than 600$ because of all the games and it has a dvd drive....i.e. ps3 not paperweight without blue-ray..

on the other hand if blue ray succeeds....
and some time later the cost for playing truly high def games would be much less on ps3 than on 360 (it is still less on ps3 than on 360 but not many take advantage of that)...
also its 600$ for next five years of great entertainment... how u people can be so short sighted...it is not like you would buy a ps3 play it for a day and thats all...
those 600$ would last for atleast 5-6 years...

[THELANDSOFSAND]

hmm, must be the lack of focus on games and developers, the endless push of Blur-ray and sony saying "its a computer!" for tax reasons.

or is it a grillstation? not a computer at all?

i thought the heating function of the grill at TGS was a particularly useful last minute addition! now we get char-grilled PS3!

[mithrael_PS3]

the playstation brand is known for games... come on... 2 generation of consoles, the playstation is a games console... this 3rd generation.. they are taking it up to the next level... not only will it be a console but also an entertainment system... and what's up with them taking ken kutaragi's comments seriously... sony thinks the gamers have understood that the playstation is a games console... that even if they don't promote it as that... it will be considered a game console... ken is just stating that the ps3 is way more than a console... it may also be considered a pc... because it contains most of what a pc normally does... and what most people do with it... internet(browser)and games... and with the inclusion of linux os and mouse and keyboard compatibiity... we may be able install pc softwares in it too... and use it not only as a game console but also as a computer... imagine using the ps3 in typing your assignments... imagine using the ps3 to research your lessons... imagine using the ps3 to go and comment on this site... sounds like all the basic things a pc can do.. the ps3 can do too... but most importantly... imagine playing great games with it... and you have a basic computer... PEACE!

[TheMART]

He is right. The PS3 has great spec's on paper, but see the PS2 that would be 10 x as powerfull as the Dreamcast and XBOX 1 also.

But on the games, it had the less graphics.

Again, is the hardware the optimal mix for games on PS3?

No it isn't. XBOX 360 is, just hear the devs and see what Doom maker and now bringing Quake Wars is saying about it. And he's right

http://www.g4tv.com/pile_pl...

[DJ]

And a lot of devs came out and defended the specs, much to the dismay of many Dreamcast fans. We're going through a big repeat of that era, and anyone with a CS or EE degree who takes a look at the PS3 architecture can tell you straight out that Sony slightly UNDERESTIMATED the power difference. If PS3 launch titles are surpassing most 360 second-gen titles, it's obvious how much the gap will widen just within a year's time.

[TheMART]

Well if you're talking about the new wave of games, there is nothing on PS3 that looks equal to or surpass these:

Lost Planet
Bioshock
Gears of War
Too Human

Well there are more, but let's keep it simple this time. There is not ONE game that can cope with that visuals and gameplay. Period. Not a COD3 + aliens game called Resistance, not a racinggame that has to do it without rumble, not one.

THe PS3 underestimated? Don't think so. Many have stated the CPU of both consoles are about the same in output, just doing things differently. For games, most is on the GPU, and as you know, the 360 has the most advanced, special designed one.

[peksi]

That kinda talk comes from mouths of people who get paid to sell more and beat the competition. MS will probably include HD-DVD in their Xbox 360 in near future making this statement void.

[DJ]

So I'm not sure what Microsoft is getting at. They've been repeating the same type of hatemail over and over for about a year and half, and it got old a long time.

The childish accusations and fanbot comments like "grillstation" and "cell has a very low yield rate" is just dumb. They're pissed because it's not only significantly quieter than the Xbox 360, it also emits less heat. On top of that, it's a lot more powerful. There was one picture of one PS3 that crashed at TGS. It was running an early version of Ridge Racer, and based on the hundreds of articles written by journalists at TGS, that was the only incident because nothing about 'crashing PS3s' was written. Yet the forum guys claim "so many were crashing. omg! Sony's dead! hahahaha"

?

And the yeild rate bs was already proven to be misleading since it has the exact same yield rates as AMD and Intel dual-core CPUs, despite having 7 more cores.

Microsoft is scared, so I understand where they're coming from. They feel cornered and threatened, and with worldwide sales dropping steadily (except for Japan where it finally surpassed Gameboy Advance sales) there's no telling how desperate they're going to become. Remember when they said 1080p on PS3 launch titles was impossible? Remember when they said it was bad for devs? Remember when they claimed games would never exceed the capacity of DVDs? Remember when they claimed they would sell 10 million 360 consoles before the PS3 even launched?

They've got 4 million to go and only a month to do it. Guess not everyone wanted to jump in. Most people want the PS3, and the great games shown at TGS only increased their confidence. Sony is really going out of their way to give us everything we will ever need already built in to the console. No need to buy an optional hard drive, optional disc drive, optional online services, optional HD movie playback, or any of the things that should come standard on an entertainment system.

Free blu-ray movie playback, free online multiplayer, built-in hard drive, no need to buy expensive 'charging wires' for our controllers since Sony uses standard USB connections. The list just goes on and on. Hell, PS3 owners even get a free web browser, something that a $50 annual subscription to Xbox Live doesn't even offer. And you claim that Sony's ripping us off?! Lots of laughs.

[2tired2day2hate]

you said "There was one picture of one PS3 that crashed at TGS. It was running an early version of Ridge Racer, and based on the hundreds of articles written by journalists at TGS, that was the only incident because nothing about 'crashing PS3s' was written. Yet the forum guys claim "so many were crashing. omg! Sony's dead! hahahaha""

but this article says

Investors worried about the product after Macquarie Equities analyst David Gibson wrote in a report that PlayStation 3 units on display at the Tokyo Game Show about 10 days ago operated erratically and had to be reset repeatedly.

"While the reason for this is unknown, we suspect it may be due to overheating as a result of enclosing the units and the high temperatures at the venue," Gibson wrote in the report. "We are concerned that such a problem has occurred so close to full production and is clearly negative news for the company."

http://www.mysanantonio.com...

[ASTAROTH]

Im tired of the Microsoft excuses. Im tired they and their cheerleaders fanatics are always blaming the Blue Ray capabilities of the PS3. Only time, not fanatics, will tell if the Blue Ray was really a plus. So top the BS about a console that hasnt even come out yet. LOL. The 360 has far more problems and nobody even mention them. LOL. I could see fanatics attacking my comments. LOL. AND MARTIE, the PS2 IS WAYYYY more powerfull than the zombie Dreamcast. None of tha games available for the PS2 rigth now coul be done on the DC. AND MARTIE, the original Xbox was more powerfull than the PS2; a shame Microsoft let it live for only 4 years. But Microsoft cares about games, RIGTH?? LOL!!!.

[ASTAROTH]

to me when I visited a GAMESTOP yesterday. I visited it to bougth Burnout Revenge and the Nyko intercooler for my 360. I asked the employee about PS3 pre orders. He told me that they wont be taking preorders. Then he Told me: " dont waste your money on it". I told him: WHY??. And the only reason he gave to me was: " I am not impressed with it, you better buy a 360". I respond and said: "The 360 hasnt impress me neither". Then he started to try and convince me and talk BS about the PS3. When he notice I was going to buy a 360 game and the intercooler, He said: "OHH!! You have a 360!?!". I told him Yes and thats Why I express my opinion with confidence. If I havent play anything I dont give opinions, GOOD or BAD about it. He said: " but you are going to waste your money". LOL> I finish the conversation and told him: " DONT WORRY, its my hard earned money Im wasting, And I already waste some in the 360". I left the game and the intercoler over the table and good bye GAME STOP. Thats the things I dont like about this store and about fanatics employees. Its my money so I buy watever sH!t I want. LOL!!! They seem desperate to reach the 10 million marks of 360 sold before PS3 launches, LOL!!!!

[DJ]

I hate the kind of employees that force their beliefs onto you (and for some reason they're always at gamestop). I'm glad you told them to shove it; it's their loss.

[PS3 Ultimate]

I remember going to GameStop, I went with my friend because we saw a rare PS1 game we wanted to buy. ''And I played it before and it ROCKS!'' ''Valkyrie Profile'' And when I showed the cashier the case of the VP, he said ''Dude, that game sucks! Get an X Box with Halo! Are u gonna buy that crappy PS1 game?'' The thing is my friend had ALREADY owned an X Box with Halo and he got bored from it and pawned it at a pawnshop. So my friend took the dude's word for it and returned the game. After we exited GameStop. I told my friend ''Why the f*** did he listened to him?! I told my friend that I had played the game for myself and that the guy was BSing him! So my friend went back in there and bought the game. After we were leaving, the guy was whispering stuff behind our backs sa that we are complete morons for buying a PS1 game? That I have played and enjoyed? My friend was angry at them for trying to FORCE products that my friend does NOT have enough money for and does NOT have any interest in. And all of this happened in 2 years ago which was in 2004! And this was before I knew about fanboyism. I never knew about fanboyism at that time. You see we Sony fans may defend and say our product's better, but atleast we don't try to FORCE people to buy it. We don't go in a store and tell someone, dude that 360 game SUCKS! And this is TRUTH!

[Jay da 2KBalla]

1. You are not a dev, you werent at TGS, you havent played a ps3, you havent touched a ps3, you havent even seen a ps3 in real life so you dont know if the ps3 was overheating or not. You also dont know if it actually is quiter than the 360, you dont know it emits less heat, and you damn sure dont know just how much more powerful the ps3 is than the 360. Whether it is alot, marginal, or not at all. So why dont you keep your idiotic fanboy posts to yourself for they are purely baased on speculation and hope. lol

"And the yeild rate bs was already proven to be misleading since it has the exact same yield rates as AMD and Intel dual-core CPUs, despite having 7 more cores."

link please

Also I need a link saying sales are dropping steadily all around the world because I havent heard such a thing.

I do remember when MS said that there would be no 1080p ps3 launch games nd quite frankly there arent any games that have been confirmed to launch in 1080p. GTHD isnt a ps3 game. It is a ps2 game upscaled to 1080p with little parts that you have to buy over time that in total amount to $600+ and is quite frankly a ridiculously sad excuse for a game.

And no game has exceeded DVD-9. If you want to believe the resistance devs go right ahead but realize that sony is publishing their game so of course they are going to say that their game coudlnt be done on DVD-9. When a multiplatform dev says that DVD-9 isnt sufficient then I will believe but until then I will regard what Insomniac said as bs.

" Remember when they claimed they would sell 10 million 360 consoles before the PS3 even launched?"

1. How do you know MS has only sold 6 million consoles? If your going to say nexgenwars.com please take note that isnt a confirmed number and is speculation.

2. Even if they dont, MS also said 10-12 million by the end of the year. So even if they dont hit 10 million by the November 12th (ps3s launch date) having 10-12 million by the end of the year will be just as decimating to sony. And remember first console to 10 million consoles wins.

"Sony is really going out of their way to give us everything we will ever need already built in to the console. No need to buy an optional hard drive, optional disc drive, optional online services, optional HD movie playback, or any of the things that should come standard on an entertainment system."

Really thats good of sony to do. Microsoft is doing that as well. If I buy a $400 360, I dont need to buy a hardrive, a disc drive, or HD movie playback. You see if you buy a 360 you have a choice eliminating the need for such things and quite frankly I dont care about HD movie playback. DVDs are completely fine with me.

Also yes you do have to pay for online with the 360 but whether or not the quality of playstation online platform will match live is completely different. Also whether or not devs will charge you is another issue because technically sony wont charge but devs can.

"Free blu-ray movie playback, free online multiplayer, built-in hard drive, no need to buy expensive 'charging wires' for our controllers since Sony uses standard USB connections."

I've already addressed most of the stuff in this quote however inr regards to charging wires, um I believe there only 15-20 dollars so if you consider that expensive then why are you buying a 500 or 600 dollar console?

"Hell, PS3 owners even get a free web browser, something that a $50 annual subscription to Xbox Live doesn't even offer. And you claim that Sony's ripping us off?! Lots of laughs"

Free web service? Um once again if your console is connected to your internet at your home you should already have a web browser on one of your computers so really what you said is just some bs that your trying to use to justify the purchase of an overpriced 600 dollar console.

Also what games are you anticipating for the ps3 or do you just plan on using it for watching beta-ray movies?

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[TheXgamerLive]

He couldn't of laid it out any more simple than that.

Yet, sony wannabe fan boy's will still look blindly into the sun and say, it's ok, in fact it's great.

[TheMART]

Yeah and about the sold 360 units, do the math.

At the end of June:

5 million sold. From dec. 2005 to end of june 2006, that's 7 months.

5 million devided by 7 is over 700.000 units a month. From april this year on, more and more countries got the 360 launch, like Australia, India (just recently) and former east-european countries. Upcoming economies.

So the average from the first months will be surpassed with larger numbers. But well. Let's just take the safe number, 700k a month world wide.

So up till now it's just over 3 months after the 5 million mark was hit.

3 x 700.000 makes 2.1 million at least.

That's 5 + 2.1 = 7.1 million

At least. I'll even dare to say that in reality it will be closer to 8 million then those 7. By the time the PS3 releases, it will be damn close to if not over 9 Million. At the end of the year 10 million will have sold. New countries are added like South Afrika.

So DJ learn to calculate. 6 million now sold is virtually impossible and you know it. There are certainly over 7 million units sold by now and the PS3 will only sell 500k max now compare that to 10 million

[Daewoodrow]

I agree, fanboy arguments are just based on gullability now.

"you don't need DVD"
"we don't need DVD"

"you want HD movies"
"we want HD movies"

"You want Wifi"
"we want wifi"

Trying to sell a console using a web browser? I'm not looking for a PC. If I wanted to browse the web and play games, I would be a PC gamer. I chose consoles so I could focus on the gaming and not have to upgrade my computer every month.

And I prefer the play and charge kit to the Usb cable idea, simply because when my rechargable battery starts taking longer to charge and stores less power, as all rechargable batteries do, I don't need to buy a new pad. I'd choose a removable battery and £10 p+c kit over having to replace my pad every 6 months.

[Bebedora]

XBox news. besides that....

Is this now when I am supposed to ramble about games I want and is exclusive to PS3? I've seen such occations when it comes to the other consoles that's next-gen.

Oh come on. It's just a flamebite. Who really knows how PS3 plays out come nov 17? An MS employee do too many wheels of fortunes ?

[DJ]

http://digitalbattle.com/20...
This is an article written on Sept. 6 that states Microsoft had only sold 5 million units worldwide. Microsoft stated at TGS that they had sold over 5 million units (which does not equal 6, 7, or even 8 million, despite what theMart wants you to think). Right now they've sold a little over 6 million units within 11 months.

"[these numbers] are constantly monitored and upated to assure the closest estimates possible for the Xbox 360, Playstation 3, and Wii."
http://nexgenwars.com/

There's a big difference between terms "shipped" and "sold". And by the end of June 2006, Microsoft "shipped" 5 million consoles worldwide. Shipped, not sold.
http://arstechnica.com/news...
http://www.gamespot.com/xbo...
http://videogames.yahoo.com...

[Daewoodrow]

no, at TGS they said they had sold 5 million units IN JUNE. They were repeating the same figures they gave back in June. If you don't beleive me, watch it again.

And that site is only taking a guess Microsoft have not released sales figures at all since June.

[THAMMER1]

They just make the 360 look like it is doing great and breaking records.

Hey I see a brick wall coming up in front of your dreams you better pump your breaks.