GOS: "Sony issued the patent first, so of course all eyes are now on them. The next Xbox and PS4 was rumored to block used games last year, but no real evidence has surfaced of Microsoft‘s next generation console containing the technology to do so. If Microsoft wanted to block used games on the next Xbox the company wouldn’t have to look very far."
Ubisoft announced on recent earnings calls that it has already recouped the cost of Activision/Blizzard streaming rights - which were only between €50M and €100M.
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Agreed, but if I could pick one game to remaster first it would be Killzone 2. If you had to pick one which would it be?
If they announce Kill Zone 2 remake or resistance 2 that multiplayer would be crazy. But Warhawk I would cry like a 2 year old 😂😂😂 give me bloody roar
I love Killzone, but I would prefer a complete reboot of the franchise, using the newest version of the Decima engine, rather than simply a remaster of part 2.
Sony will not do Killzone 2 or any Killzone because they don't have plans for it in the future... No TV shows, no sequel, no Lego game, no multiplayer...
This is dead for Herman... Only Aloy.
And that's sad.
Zero hype for tomorrow.
legacy of kane, resistance, or just something totally new that hasnt been already done
Hopefully zero gaas, will show that they’re starting to reason!!!
And yeah the remaster trend must also stop.
PS5 exclusives or nothing go home
A new Killzone, Uncharted, Tsushima, inFamous, Resistance, Wolverine or something original single player.
I either want something from the infamous franchise or the cheeky answer is being lemmings back as that's now Sony
Killzone 2 I think falls into remake territory.
I'll take a Warhawk remake or even a remaster but that's it, really.
Any remasters for a last generation game on a backwards compatible console is just insulting.
If they do any online only live service stuff, give us MAG or Warhawk, games that actually perfected that formula.
@Kingrizzy90
Wow. And it looks like you are the winner. Completely was not expecting that.
If they don't show something from a couple of their big studios after the absolute disaster they've had with Concord then I'll lose all hope. This generation has been a complete letdown so far and there's very little to look forward to at the moment.
Pretty sure : RE9, Days Gone Remaster, HZD Remaster, 1 last SH2 trailer, Wolverine trailer, Until Dawn trailer
Maybe(s) : GoT 2 announcement, DS2 (but already happening@ TGS), Pragmata, TLOU2 or SpiderMan 2 PC announcement,
Wishlist : Santa Monica & Naughty Dog's new project tease, Marathon gameplay trailer
Don't Want : Any AC Shadows trailer, Any more remasters other than the ones leaked
You really think that other remaster is Days Gone? And my God what happened to Pragmata?!?
It’s 30 minutes, I think you’re being optimistic there, don’t have high expectations, I know mine are the lowest they have ever been since what i have witnessed these past 4 years!
Only 5 remasters. They had to cut back to squeeze in 1 new announcement. They will have another SoP next month to cover the other 12 remasters.
*monkey paw curls*
Horizon Zero Dawn Remastered
Gravity Rush 1 & 2 Remastered
Until Dawn Remastered
In the case of Gravity Rush, a remaster of a remaster that plays on PS5 now would be bizarre. Then again, so does Horizon.
This only makes sense if it means a PC release, but they still closed the studio and releasing this would be very poor taste.
I'm presonally looking forward to a Days Gone one. Would love any excuse to play that game again. I loved it
They could do a lot right by simply announcing a blood-borne remastered so many people have been waiting for it and they should not only bring it to PlayStation 5 but also PC
If they are all intent on doing a lot of remasters, how about doing some of the remasters from the games during the PlayStation 2 and three generation instead of PlayStation 4 games?
Can we get infamous collection? Can we please get Socom from the PlayStation 2 generation? Uncharted trilogy God of war trilogy twisted metal collection, kill zone trilogy, resistance trilogy some of these games they can simply just unlock online multiplayer. They’re only one need to do a lot of work and people would enjoy them
But instead, let’s just remastered the last of us horizon zero down the God of war 2018 this PlayStation Sony executive bosses are some of the most idiotic in the past 10 years
PlayStation has such a long history. They can simply do a lot of fun service and get so much positive PR but they keep making the same mistake again and again and again.
I would honestly prefer remasters/remakes/reboots of games than GaaS they have tried to push.
Lol, but like most I was expecting a 'Playstation showcase' but looking at how brief the Pro reveal was ... I am guessing these short State of Plays á la N.Direct style is how Sony is going to continue.
The next big PS showcase is gonna be the PS6 event. Till then all will be SoPs.
Hopefully there's good games, but we'll see. Going in with low hype, and I hope to be pleasantly surprised.
I've yet (still) to jump into this gen of consoles. Still rocking the last gen ps4 and xbox one x. Let's see if Sony can justify that $780 price tag (no way I'd go without a disc drive).
How much longer do you think you could/would hold out on upgrading? A lot of people still haven't upgraded, which I get.
If I'm not convinced by Christmas this year, I'll probably end up skipping this gen.
@FinalFantasyFanatic
As the true Final Fantasy fan I am, I could never skip the place to play the games at release.
It won't happen, but give me a new Killzone. I'm tired of all the same fucking shit lately.
30th anniversary prices will be as follows: $499.99 Slim, $999.99 Pro, $199.99 Portal, $199.99 Edge, $79.99 DS
Its a logical guess. I figure the controllers will be their regular prices, maybe $5 more due to recent news about them raising those and the Portal will be about the same. Both of which will be more available than the actual systems themselves.
Okay got you. If the Portal is not supply limited then okay. But I would expect at least a $100 premium on the limited supply consoles. $999 for the pro bundle seems like it in the ballpark though.
If you're paying those prices because they're calling it a special edition then you're the exact people they were hoping were out there....mugs!
On the second hand market... no doubt. Sony has not doubled the price of a special edition system. they didnt with the 20th anniversary or the 500 million editions. They were marginally more than the respective standard units at the time.
Gonna have to bring more than Remasters this time though, people are wondering what their bigger developers are doing for almost half a gen yet still nothing new got announced yet.
I'll be watching cautiously.
Games take awhile to make. Minimum 4. 5 years to 6 years+. Not saying Ghost 2 will take 8 years to make but Ghost did take 6 years to make which is fast specifically for a new IP. Ghost 2 could be a 2026 title spring that year or, at the very earliest spring of next year. Which would be 5 years even come next year.
ND New IP could be a 2027-2026 the earliest. Again that's not quite bad specifically for a new IP.
Santa Monica New IP could release and announced sooner than the others. Corey has been working on the new IP since 2018 GoW. Remember Corey's main team didn't make the GoW 2022. Their game could release next year. 2018 to 2025 is 7 years the time has to be near. I don't think it'll show up tomorrow but Vga's is the last stop for SSM New IP and Ghost 2. Considering those are their only 2 games that are I guess "closer" to release.
I'm just talking about the new big IP. Of course Venom could release next year. Venom could very well be that one more thing tomorrow. If not then the Vga's. Have a feeling that games close. Wolverine in 2026 and Sm3 in 27.
Stop defending Sony slacking on the games front. 21 studios and not a game to show apart from 15 hours Astrobot. When you play for like 10 hours each day like I do, that 15 hour game is soon forgotten, how great it is, doesn't really matter in the end of the year. They need to release 2-3 heavy hitters a year, Sony is the platformholder after all!!
@CS7 What should I do, enjoying my backpain staring out the window. Nah, I rather game. And it might take a loong time to enter my simrig, but well inside I rather race for a few hours and my backpain eases up a little.
Edit: My PS Portal is great for some laying on couch-gaming thou ;)
I feel like they have to reveal something big, even if it's just a Logo. Coming off the back of some disappointing announcements of late.
Won't be anything we hope for maybe just one thing, come on sony surprise us like those 2009 ps3 days lol I remember they were heavy delivering gems
No. Always keep your expectations in check so then you actually have the chance to be surprised but if its lack luster you don't walk away too disappointed.
This sucks. I remember 2015 & 2016 when expectations were sky high and Sony still managed to literally blow you away, with FF7 Remake, GOW, Spiderman, Horizon gameplay, Tsushima, DS etc.
This is gaming man, it's supposed to be fun. Now the message is don't get excited and people are upvoting that.
This is the worst gen.
I'm going in expecting bangers, their devs had enough time for something to be shown already, especially Wolverine. The 30 min might seem low, but Nintendo has managed to have some great showings with similar show lengths, all they have to do is show the games, and not do a bunch of talking or extended looks.
Finally, all 1st party games they show have to be PS5 Pro enhanced, and I want to see FF7: Rebirth(PRO) type of jumps or better.
I doubt each Pro game will have FF7 levels of improvement because, especially with Sony 1st party, their games tend to have really good levels of IQ as a base. Still there Quality 30 fps modes still have improvement over performance modes so you would expect their pro performance modes to be excellent. FF7s performance was just so poor on OG PS5 that the Pro version looks like a revelation when they could have put more effort into the OG version.
I have no clue what will come of this. I just pray that in 30 minutes, the remaster trailers are 2 minutes total.
yes valid but if there are multiple remasters it still cannot total more than 2 minutes lol
give me Killzone. imagine it now - most people have fast wifi - no lag, It would be glorious.
Sony Inzone New Monitors: Tuesday: https://youtube.com/watch?v...
• State Of Play: Tuesday: https://youtube.com/live/fV...
• Tokyo Game Show: Thursday
• Death Stranding 2 On The Beach: Thursday
• PlayStation 5 Pro Pre Orders Go Live: Thursday
It's a state of play and not a showcase, so it's already off to a dull start. top that with the fact that they specifically use the word updates and not announcements and im not expecting much out of this.
Very good observation on their choice of words. The words update doesn't give much to hope for.
Sony have stopped trying, they have no competition so why bother? The highlight will be a crappy hzd remaster that no one wants.
If they focus on remasters then they are really don't know what we want, they need at least a couple reveals and one crazy announcement...
didnt they leak the info that its horizon zero dawn remasterd and days gone remastered
PlayStation better deliver..........after all of the overwhelming negativity they've had these last 2 weeks. They will need AAA bangers. NOT remasters.
Sony dont GAF about us on these comment sections, we are a tiny proportion of their audience and impossable to please anyway, why should they care?
TLOU remaster was heavilly criticised and pilloried by many of us, but sold 18 million units. We will be ignored, and quite frankly, we deserve no better.
"State of remasters" lol.
For real, never have I watched an exciting State of Play ever. All of them were either boring or dissappointing. Sony still plays catch up with Nintendo in regards to gaming showcases.
Looking forward to the show but when it comes to remasters the only remasters I want to see is Bloodborne or something from the PS3 era. I don't care about a HZD, Until Dawn or a Days Gone remaster.
I buy 3-4 games a week. Some retro some new. This show is probably going to piss my wife off lol.
Can we get a legit Twisted Metal Reboot? I would get on Day 1. Bring it back along with Killzone.
What need to be said or shown to get you guys hyped for PS5 pro aka PS5 I'm Po edition
won't be surprised if it's a dud..sony's glory days are well behind with mr. hulst in charge
Give the man atleast a year in office before sharpening the pitchforks damn! He's the same person who brought us killzone and horizon. Where was the uproar then?
For a PS5 owner; this generation has basically been about Sony putting their games on PC and calling them remasters at the same time telling console owners they are number 1 whilst charging them more. When more people wake up and realise they have essentially just copied Microsofts strategy in slow motion they'll finally realise they were shafted this generation. Copying Microsoft will just give you the same results and the corporation will come to the same illogical conclusions that the console market is shrinking when it is in fact themselves that are shrinking it deliberately with bad decisions.
"God of War had a all time peak of 73,529 on Steam, GOW Ragnarok's peak is 25,796" I hope it was worth it Sony, These games were downloaded in their millions on pirate flag waving sites.
Been saying this for years, but downvoted to hell. Sony copying MS, and MS copying Sony.
Now MS is releasing Hallo anniversary console... like 30th Sony console. Releasing everything on PC... good luck.
You'll get down voted because most of the people on N4G are PC users who don't like Microsoft but are also glad they don't have to buy a PlayStation to get Sony games anymore and they are only prepared to supplement their PC gaming with whatever Nintendo puts out. That's about the size of it. Sony are fools if they think they can exist as a digital only platform.
Most of people here are console players with a PC for school... and dream of buying a graphic card
Uncover the spending behind Xbox's Game Pass subscription. Discover how Microsoft invests a billion dollars annually in securing third-party games for the service.
Good.
Now that you´re releasing games and making big money from every gaming platform, you should double that amount and give us even more day one third party games!
You’re delusional beyond belief. Businesses wise it doesn’t make sense and sooner or later they’ll be raising prices again to cover that billion they’re blowing every year.
As someone else said earlier today, they are past the growth stage, it’s been stagnent for last 3 years, they are now in the money making stage, prepare to be goosed for as many dollars as possible for the least amount of content. It may not be bad now, (actually it is) but it will be soon (even worse) this year you got hellblade and starfirld and a load of other games that could be bought in bargain bins for about $5-30 and for that you pay them monthly
To add I honestly don’t know how you put up with the barrage of Xbox negativity (which is deserved). I put it down to:
A) you are being paid
B) you may have a problem thinking clearly
C) prefer rooting for the underdog, that’s a legit thing too. English people do it by default
Yeah Aussies also love an underdog as long as that underdog isn't Xbox as they were too of the game with the 360 then lost their minds
3 straight years of missing Gamepass targets. Some people are just blinded by their own idiocy. Will be interesting to see if COD does anything this fall
He is a troll. Designed to stoke people up on here. We know this.
It’s quite funny.
Yet people still allow the troll to derail an entire topic. I don’t understand how moderation allows it.
I literally just skip the comment. This may be the best comment obscure ever made. I don’t know because I didn’t read it. I have read to many thread derailing post from this person to ever devote any time to reading another.
I wish everyone would ignore the trolls so we can have a genuine discussion. Stop feeding it and it will go away. Even just hitting the disagree button feeds it. Thats what it wants. This is the last post I will ever post about obscure because I am feeding them now.
Legit question to Mods. After such a long history of being a troll, how has this poster not been banned?
Is he though or does he just blindly love Xbox in the same way Sega fans loved the Dreamcast even though it was clearly dead they thought it could be redeemed
Ok yeah he's saracstic and does troll but I enjoy seeing what he comes out with it would be boring here if we never had conflicting opinions
Are you insane? You want them to double the amount when the Xbox is already struggling and losing money 🤔
"Are you insane? You want them to double the amount when the Xbox is already struggling and losing money"
As long we get the games I couldn´t care less about a trillion dollar company losing money. That´s their business to worry about. I only care about the games.
And "struggling and losing money"? Really?
"Microsoft reports Xbox’s revenue is up 61% in Q4 FY24 thanks to Activision"
https://venturebeat.com/gam...
61% more revenue and BO6 is not even out yet.
MS will make a sh!t ton of money with that game alone in all platforms. So 2 Billion yearly invested in their *core* business is nothing!
So yeah, I want them to double the investments on Gamepass. Period.
"So yeah, I want them to double the investments on Gamepass. Period."
That ain't going to happen. Just because you want it 😂
They'll do that, after creating 4 more higher-priced tiers and making the one that currently includes everything only contain games that have been on the market for 4 years.
"Gamepass Ultra to the MAX: Now only $299 per year!"
They are trying to get a return on abk and Bethesda they won't double day one we're lucky we are still getting them now that day one has been removed from base tiers
They want to make money not give it away
Sorry O_O, I tought you where loosing it, but i now come to the conclusion that you realy lost it.
The coping from you is not on a stellarr level....
Homie got 77 dislike and his brain rot will still help him think that he’s right.
I like how they twist cannibalising game sales into "invests".
No lifetime sales with MS, they'll F-up gaming the same as streaming services have done to the movie industry and it's workforce.
Out of interest do you think those 3rd parties signing the deal are unhappy with the severence and have a gun to their head?
Bro probably has a PS+ sub and has library full of Epic launcher free games.
lol
Pretty much. There's a lot of hate on this site for Gamepass, but put games on the different tiers of the PS subscription, and whenever they get that free day one release, it's an entirely different tune. No talk about how this choice is killing devs.
Do we think they're unhappy?
Umm...YES...?
They literally need to be paid up front to put games on the service. It's become a way to gain a foothold on the platform.
Do you think Atlus would launch on Game Pass otherwise?
"Out of interest do you think those 3rd parties signing the deal are unhappy with the severence and have a gun to their head?"
I think you mean severance... and I've noticed you don't know what it means either, MS aren't firing the third-parties they're purchasing from.
"Bro probably has a PS+ sub and has library full of Epic launcher free games."
I'm not a console gamer, but yes I do have Epic with a library full of free games... but guess what Epic rotating free games every week doesn't do. It doesn't destroy lifetime sales and cut workers out of residuals. Then you bring up PS+ a service that also doesn't destroy lifetime sales as their model allows for new releases to earn.
There are pros and cons to everything. Streaming services like Netflix is no different than cable tv except it is on demand. Services like Netflix has made it so that more studios can get a share in the profit where they can reach more consumers worldwide compared to the old days where the masses will only watch a few new titles per month.
The only negative about streaming services is that it no longer makes any sense to sell DVDs and Blu-rays though it can be argued that those persons may have moved on to building digital libraries for the sake of convenience.
The reason Xbox is doing so poorly is because they are not doing enough to be competitive. Their output of AA and AAA exclusive titles are extremely low compared to the competition and they haven't had a game of the year nominee in years.
Releasing their games the same date on PC is also hurting their console and it would have been more strategic for them to delay those releases by a year similar to what Sony does to maximize profits.
Gamepass alone is not to blame for Xbox's current position because it can be argued that if the service didn't exist and they had the same gaming output as they have now, they would be in an even worst spot.
"Streaming services like Netflix is no different than cable tv except it is on demand."
It's nothing like cable. My comment isn't a guess lifetime sale of films has shrunk to a point it's almost gone and so has the revenue it generated, that is money from competing TV networks, cable/satellite and physical media sales.
Lack of revenue transparency with streaming has meant workers job security and pay has massively diminished, earnings from residuals is almost gone for example the writer for Squid Games because of streaming gets no royalties despite series earning $900 million for Netflix, before streaming he would have royalties form lifetime sales.
Or another example Willow the series was pulled and is no longer watchable here's why: “Willow” was one of nearly 50 titles that Disney+ pulled from its streaming library in May. Other titles included the series “The Mysterious Benedict Society” and the feature film “The One and Only Ivan.” Disney CFO Christine McCarthy explained that Disney was expecting to take a write-down in the June quarter of $1.5 billion-$1.8 billion by removing content from its streaming platforms. By writing down the value of the content assets, Disney can remove that from its balance sheet and reduce its tax bill." Also when you pull a show you no longer need to pay residuals to the workers.
Have you also noticed the drop in quality on sfx or thought some older films look so much better then they do now? This is because the industry now relies on cheap labour for sfx outsourcing abroad, more green screen instead of location shooting and a lot less real extras bring life to a scene.
Streaming in gaming is going to be far worse as we've seen with MS consolidating a massive part of the industry to try and make the service sustainable, lifetime sales being cannibalised by gamespass and a work force that has no unions like SAG is already paying the price.
All streaming does is remove income transparency, cuts the workers from the money and sets flat rates and removes consumer ownership... but CEO's and shareholders will still be ok as they benefit from the industry consolidation.
MrDead is absolutely on fire with the post.
Nothing else I have to add other than that.
@MrDead like I said pros and cons. Some of those issues can alleviated with alleviated with regulatory intervention to give more transparency to the industry but unlikely anytime soon with all the lobbying going on.
The issue with the squid game's writer can be attributed to the terms and conditions he agreed to. It happens often in business as no one really knows how popular something will be until you catch that lightning in a bottle. I remember reading about how Nintendo hardly made anything off Pokemon Go dispite Niantic making Billions.
I don't blame streaming services for studios finding was to reduce the cost of making films. That stuff would have happened regardless because of the greed of these corporations. We see that same cost reduction happening in every industry from food to Aerospace.
we know this, we have known this since last year.
this is not new or news.
MS had spent over 100 billion$ and now have to look to PS and Nintendo for money,
Sony isn’t perfect but they don’t have anywhere near the amount of f’ ups that MS has. Xbox will be full third party in the near future. Every company makes mistakes but MS has been doing it for over a decade straight
Considering the lack of significant growth in stagnant subs and console sales flat, that's actually debatable lol
not to mention the cost to develop first party games which also end up on the service. it's no surprise why MS is pursuing a multiplatform strategy, it needs sales from other consoles to subsidize Game Pass.
I tried doing the math on this. If they spend approximately $1B per year on just securing titles for game pass and assuming each subscriber spends $15 per month on gamepass, they will need to have 5.5M recurring subscribers each month to cover that cost.
The latest figure revealed their subscriber count is 34M as of February 2024. It is not clear if that number has declined with the cost increase of the service since then but it is possible that the Xbox is profitable in that department. They could be doing a lot better if the Series consoles were doing better and Xbox isn't doing anything to increase it's market share.
We already heard last year that between 70%-80% of subscribers are on the Ultimate tier. So with 30M+ subscribers, and with Ultimate costing $20/month, Microsoft are literally pulling in $7B-$8B annually in revenue from Game Pass alone. Spending $1B annually on securing content is a lot, but that doesn't change the fact that it's clearly profitable to do so.
How many of those are paying full price though? My 3 year with the gold upgrade trick cost me 100 total
"So why do they keep raising prices?"
Microsoft's own 1st party games cost money too. $1B is 3rd party only.
See, I really don't understand the Xbox fans cheering for this.
Let's assume these resources come from Microsoft proper's investment to prop up Game Pass. You cannot be surprised then when the higher up suits at Microsoft make decisions for the platform you don't like. That is very likely to result in studios getting clipped where Xbox has no power in that decision making process as games get made for other platforms and Xbox becomes irrelevant as a platform beyond cheap games (which, again, you don't need an Xbox for).
But if it IS Xbox actually putting its own resources into that without Microsoft proper's intervention, it sounds like a house of cards. Pay money to developers who I guess make money here, but then people don't retain their memberships...? It's very odd and cavalier.
You know what’s crazy to me? People on PlayStation are raising hell about the PS5 Pro and not having a disc drive being ONE of the reasons they don’t want it. They want to own their physical games.
Meanwhile on Xbox, the series S is the best selling “next gen” Xbox, has no disc drive, and nobody even mentions it being all digital. Fully adopted to the “not owning anything” mentality. Crazy how different a consoles community can be with their pain points.
I believe that part of the plan would be to reduce this recurring cost now that they have acquired numerous studios.
This way they can fill game pass with first party titles and add value to the service without having the need to secure many high profile AAA third party games.
When they purchased Bethesda, they advertised 20 games coming to Gamepass. Activision's back catalogue is also huge and could help make the service more appealing.
Still the changes in pricing, tiers and lack of first party exclusives, reduces the value of xbox brand and game pass by extension.
Perhaps in the neat future when they transition to third party publisher, they will offer game pass to all consoles
Nintendo wont allow it, Sony neither… Xbox gamepass wont be coming to those console even if MS give them a huge cut for the simple reason that it would cannibalize their software sales as it did to the xbox consoles, they aren't stupid.
Well, they are worth a $trillion give or take, so some how not surprised. Putting the games on other Platforms like PlayStation PC and Switch and adding the service to any device with a screen and internet connection should earn them more revenue.
So M$ pays to get their games on game pass and leave it open for developers to port their games to any platform is bad for business, yet when Sony lock games on their platform and release their own games on other platforms is good for business. What kind of a clown world do you people live in!
And its always the dumbest games like Tractor Truck Simulator or some stupid shit. lol.
But wasn't it reported that GP makes 3 billion annually? I would suspect that it's making a little bit more now with the price hike, and even a few more adopters.
So the make 3bill and spend 1bill on content...sounds like profit to me.
1st party games costs money too...
Sounds like profit but let's raise prices...
Yeah, I get that aspect of it, but GP is hardly the only revenue stream, game development is being offset by many other revenues lanes...they don't only make money from GP.
See my above post to the butt guy
Also, raising prices is not an indication of a failing service or product...Sony raised PS+ price and they have tons of systems and subs...Sony raised the price of the base PS5 even tho they are selling like hotcakes, Sony raised the price of their controller even tho it's selling well...I'm not dissing Sony, only making the point that price hikes doesn't always equate bad service, or bad sales. It could also be that more servers, and general operations cost has gone up because of increase in service, maintenance and so fourth.
But if GP itself brings in 3bill, and they spend 1 bill for 3rd party, the service itself doesn't cost the remaining 2bill to run...so in effect whatever is left over, even if less than 2 bill after operations is considered profit.
They raised the price while stripping away day one games from standard tier... Read between the lines.
Just like they have other revenue streams they have other expenses too... Point is 1st party games are officially a cost (development and marketing) in regards to gamepass because they are no longer making the full potential of individual sales and any console sales boost that use to come from releasing games without a subscription alongside it. They are hoping that subscribers increase to make up for that loss in sales. So while the 3 billion they make might not go directly to dev cost, it doesn't matter if you make $2B over here if to get that amount you lose $2B over there. (I'm not saying that they are losing $2B due to first party/console sales, we don't know the amount, just pointing out how just because the money you make specifically from one aspect of business doesn't matter. It's the collective)
I partly agree, but.....
"They are hoping that subscribers increase to make up for that loss in sales."
Absolutely they would like an increase in GP sub, but the offset of dev cost for GP day one 1st party games is selling them on PC, and now on PlayStation, Nintendo.and anything with a screen..so they have effectively opened up a stream of revenue that makes sense all around and was not there before Nintendo and Sony (new stream).
It's not dissimilar to what Sony has done with opening a new revenue stream to support dev cost by bringing 1st party games to PC, after console release, and in some cases(Gaas) day and date, and even one to the Switch now...Sony saw that even individual game sales at $60-$70 were not enough to sustain dev cost, just look to insomniac memos and pressure applied to Bungie. So all companies have a lane and are finding way to sustain and maximize profit.
"just pointing out how just because the money you make specifically from one aspect of business doesn't matter. It's the collective)"
Agreed to a small degree, but that is not 100% true...the game division is the game division...so money made off of games sales and subs has a direct effect of the games and services division, including development of new games. I do know what you mean tho, but above speculation from 'Butt' lumped all sorts of departments needed to be funded from GP alone, so if he can speculate and you can speculate, then....well you know.
I wonder what the average is? Like, does Sega get a bigger cut cuz they have more games on there?
It's funny because people claimed the Next Box would block used games. Then the chairman of GameStop strangely made a public statement that it definitely would not.
Meanwhile, a rumor spreads that PS4 will block used games and GameStop's stock goes tumbling down.
Something is up.
The only way there is gonna be a block on used games is if the big 3 and 75% of the big publishers are on board, i dont see Sony lonewolfing it.
I dare sony, microsoft or any other company to try and pull this off.
see if any of you ever see a dollar of mine ever again.
I'm throwing this out there because it seems that no one has thought about it:
Everyone is complaining that if this patent is implemented, it would mean the end of second hand games, loaning games out or taking the game to a friends house to play. What if, when you first put the disc into your PS3, the ID automatically gets associated with your user account -- rather like trophies.
This means you would still be able to take that game to a friends house and play it because all you would have to do is use your account on his/her PS3. It would also mean that replacing your PS3 would not forfeit your right to play that same game disc. It would also mean that Sony could give you a digital copy of the game based on your purchase of the disc. This way only the second hand market is effected. I was going to write an article along these lines but I really couldn't be bothered.
sony may sell this tech to devs who make games for em one day.. It might be at the devs discretion whether or not to block the game from being played on another system.. Who knows but not all patents actually get put to use