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Sony’s Used Game Patent Could Also Include the Next Xbox

GOS: "Sony issued the patent first, so of course all eyes are now on them. The next Xbox and PS4 was rumored to block used games last year, but no real evidence has surfaced of Microsoft‘s next generation console containing the technology to do so. If Microsoft wanted to block used games on the next Xbox the company wouldn’t have to look very far."

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MultiConsoleGamer4281d ago

It's funny because people claimed the Next Box would block used games. Then the chairman of GameStop strangely made a public statement that it definitely would not.

Meanwhile, a rumor spreads that PS4 will block used games and GameStop's stock goes tumbling down.

Something is up.

GribbleGrunger4280d ago (Edited 4280d ago )

What's up is that Gamestop's stock went down BEFORE this announcement but the media took the opportunity to link the two events.

animegamingnerd4280d ago

they're the media they pull crap like that all the time

bakasora4280d ago

Time to invest more on steam.

animegamingnerd4280d ago

i bet the chairman of gamestop lied to calm the storm if he or she knows anything about the next playstation and xbox is that they exist and release date

nukeitall4280d ago (Edited 4280d ago )

The only thing up is unfortunately this article!

I doubt Sony or MS will be blocking used games. It would severely hurt them. It was bad enough when Sony dropped BC and Linux support so I doubt neither of them would do something as stupid as this, especially at launch.

Anyone of them try this and I will drop them like a freaking hot turd!

DeadlyFire4280d ago

this is just a renewal of the Online Pass system for Sony products already in place I bet.

Sony originally filled this in 2006 and renewing in 2012 possible to add PS4 to the end of the patent.

Saigon4280d ago

Based on the complaints of the developers...I doubt this is false. Most devs hate the fact they cannot make money off of second hand sales. They don't like the fact that this issue exist. I can understand especially if you look at it from a pharmaceutical stand point. Would you as a customer want to use needles and syringes another patient used. No...And its not about profit. This helps against piracy, though someone will find a way around it, and many other issues publishers complain about. This move, though sony is taking a bash from it, is something that the industry wants and needs.

nukeitall4279d ago

@Saigon:

The industry most definitely does not need it, they probably want it though.

I haven't met a single consumer that think this is a great idea.

"I can understand especially if you look at it from a pharmaceutical stand point. Would you as a customer want to use needles and syringes another patient used."

Really? You wouldn't reuse syringes/needles because once used they can carry dangerous disease that might kill you!

Do used video games transmit deadly diseases? No? Hardly the same then, uh?

"No...And its not about profit."

Really? What is it about then? Good will towards the consumers? Charity for all video gamers in the world?

"They don't like the fact that this issue exist."

BECAUSE IT HAMPERS "THEM" THE OPPORTUNITY FOR FURTHER PROFIT BEYOND THEIR FAIR SHARE.

"This helps against piracy, though someone will find a way around it, and many other issues publishers complain about."

This scheme will minimally have any impact against piracy and have everything to do with used games.

majiebeast4280d ago (Edited 4280d ago )

The only way there is gonna be a block on used games is if the big 3 and 75% of the big publishers are on board, i dont see Sony lonewolfing it.

BanBrother4280d ago

Sony could easily pull it off for their first party games, as no-one would boycott them. The problem is the third parties going along with it.
The online pass for Resistance 3 is ana example, except now it would be blocking the entire game.

Tbh, I think this will eventually happen with Sony,MS and Nintendo, but not next gen, as they are both trying to win over the Wii U ATM.

Hingle_Mcringleberry4280d ago

Not sure if Resistance 3 is a great example, it didn't necessarily set the charts on fire. UC3 is a good fit though.

MASTER_RAIDEN4280d ago

I dare sony, microsoft or any other company to try and pull this off.

see if any of you ever see a dollar of mine ever again.

Thatguy-3104280d ago (Edited 4280d ago )

Many purchase game at retail price and don't mind. Doubt it will stop them. The majority won't care. Just like when they didn't care when they cut out a lot of the features the original ps3 had. I for sure can careless. It's not like I just buy any random shovelware that I can find at a local gamestop.

rainslacker4279d ago

@dboy

It may not be that they don't care, it'll likely be that they don't know. They would care when they take that game in to trade it for a new one, or try to sell it on their own, and come to realize that they are stuck with it. The publishers have been doing a lot this gen to restrict (or at least recoup money from) used game sales. However this going into effect is going to have a huge effect on the industry as a whole, and I think the industry is going to be in for a surprise when it doesn't work out the way they are hoping.

GribbleGrunger4280d ago (Edited 4280d ago )

I'm throwing this out there because it seems that no one has thought about it:

Everyone is complaining that if this patent is implemented, it would mean the end of second hand games, loaning games out or taking the game to a friends house to play. What if, when you first put the disc into your PS3, the ID automatically gets associated with your user account -- rather like trophies.

This means you would still be able to take that game to a friends house and play it because all you would have to do is use your account on his/her PS3. It would also mean that replacing your PS3 would not forfeit your right to play that same game disc. It would also mean that Sony could give you a digital copy of the game based on your purchase of the disc. This way only the second hand market is effected. I was going to write an article along these lines but I really couldn't be bothered.

Hingle_Mcringleberry4280d ago

What about when I wanna swap games with my buddy for the weekend?
Also, I'm new to owning a PS3, how do I transfer my profile on to a flash drive so I can go play using it at my buddy's place? And can two people log in at the same time on one console like you can on the 360? I've been trying but just can't get it to work, help me.

slaton244280d ago

no flash needed just go to ur friends ps3 go to create new user and go to where u sign in and then u enter ur infomation in and u r ready...but if u do this u want have room for another system with ur original account only 2 systems can be used with the same account...if u needed a 3rd u would have to deactivate a system or call sony...back when it was 5 systems people gameshared which made sony a little mad cause people would buy games and let other people download it from them and would cause developers to loose money...so with it now being 2 systems its more of a hassle

DivineAssault 4280d ago

sony may sell this tech to devs who make games for em one day.. It might be at the devs discretion whether or not to block the game from being played on another system.. Who knows but not all patents actually get put to use

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Ubisoft Has Already Recouped the Money it Spent on Activision Cloud Gaming Rights

Ubisoft announced on recent earnings calls that it has already recouped the cost of Activision/Blizzard streaming rights - which were only between €50M and €100M.

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State of Play returns tomorrow

State of Play is back tomorrow, September 24! Tune in live for news and updates on more than 20 upcoming PS5 and PS VR2 games from studios around the world.

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Sonic18813d ago

Hopefully not a lot of remasters

Eonjay3d ago

Agreed, but if I could pick one game to remaster first it would be Killzone 2. If you had to pick one which would it be?

Mr_cheese3d ago

I know it's not the same but I'd love a reboot of resistance or warhawk

u-bEttA-rUn3d ago

If they announce Kill Zone 2 remake or resistance 2 that multiplayer would be crazy. But Warhawk I would cry like a 2 year old 😂😂😂 give me bloody roar

ravens523d ago

God of War 1-3, Ascension, Ghost of Sparta and Chains of Olympus all in One.

RaiderNation3d ago

I love Killzone, but I would prefer a complete reboot of the franchise, using the newest version of the Decima engine, rather than simply a remaster of part 2.

SimpleDad3d ago

Sony will not do Killzone 2 or any Killzone because they don't have plans for it in the future... No TV shows, no sequel, no Lego game, no multiplayer...

This is dead for Herman... Only Aloy.
And that's sad.

Zero hype for tomorrow.

Kingrizzy903d ago

legacy of kane, resistance, or just something totally new that hasnt been already done

Cacabunga2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Hopefully zero gaas, will show that they’re starting to reason!!!
And yeah the remaster trend must also stop.
PS5 exclusives or nothing go home

A new Killzone, Uncharted, Tsushima, inFamous, Resistance, Wolverine or something original single player.

CobraKai2d ago

Killzone 1. In think that needs a retelling

Profchaos2d ago

I either want something from the infamous franchise or the cheeky answer is being lemmings back as that's now Sony

DarXyde2d ago

Killzone 2 I think falls into remake territory.

I'll take a Warhawk remake or even a remaster but that's it, really.

Any remasters for a last generation game on a backwards compatible console is just insulting.

fr0sty2d ago

If they do any online only live service stuff, give us MAG or Warhawk, games that actually perfected that formula.

Eonjay2d ago

@Kingrizzy90

Wow. And it looks like you are the winner. Completely was not expecting that.

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IAMRealHooman3d ago

only remasters, even remasters of games that aren't even out yet

DodoDojo3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Wrong, there will also be a 2 minute snippet of Lego Horizon.

bloop2d ago

If they don't show something from a couple of their big studios after the absolute disaster they've had with Concord then I'll lose all hope. This generation has been a complete letdown so far and there's very little to look forward to at the moment.

RaidenBlack3d ago

Pretty sure : RE9, Days Gone Remaster, HZD Remaster, 1 last SH2 trailer, Wolverine trailer, Until Dawn trailer
Maybe(s) : GoT 2 announcement, DS2 (but already happening@ TGS), Pragmata, TLOU2 or SpiderMan 2 PC announcement,
Wishlist : Santa Monica & Naughty Dog's new project tease, Marathon gameplay trailer
Don't Want : Any AC Shadows trailer, Any more remasters other than the ones leaked

Eonjay3d ago

You really think that other remaster is Days Gone? And my God what happened to Pragmata?!?

seanpitt233d ago

It’s 30 minutes, I think you’re being optimistic there, don’t have high expectations, I know mine are the lowest they have ever been since what i have witnessed these past 4 years!

crazyCoconuts3d ago

Agreed w/ Sean. Keep expectations low.

Juiceup2d ago

jfc what is this trash lineup Sony please

Rainbowcookie2d ago

Injustice 3 I'm calling it 😃

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Christopher3d ago

Only 5 remasters. They had to cut back to squeeze in 1 new announcement. They will have another SoP next month to cover the other 12 remasters.

-Foxtrot3d ago

*monkey paw curls*

Horizon Zero Dawn Remastered

Gravity Rush 1 & 2 Remastered

Until Dawn Remastered

DarXyde2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

In the case of Gravity Rush, a remaster of a remaster that plays on PS5 now would be bizarre. Then again, so does Horizon.

This only makes sense if it means a PC release, but they still closed the studio and releasing this would be very poor taste.

potatoseal3d ago

I'm presonally looking forward to a Days Gone one. Would love any excuse to play that game again. I loved it

darthv722d ago

Why wait for an excuse... just go play it now.

CobraKai2d ago

Im thinking showcasing Pro versions of existing games.

neutralgamer19922d ago (Edited 2d ago )

They could do a lot right by simply announcing a blood-borne remastered so many people have been waiting for it and they should not only bring it to PlayStation 5 but also PC

If they are all intent on doing a lot of remasters, how about doing some of the remasters from the games during the PlayStation 2 and three generation instead of PlayStation 4 games?

Can we get infamous collection? Can we please get Socom from the PlayStation 2 generation? Uncharted trilogy God of war trilogy twisted metal collection, kill zone trilogy, resistance trilogy some of these games they can simply just unlock online multiplayer. They’re only one need to do a lot of work and people would enjoy them

But instead, let’s just remastered the last of us horizon zero down the God of war 2018 this PlayStation Sony executive bosses are some of the most idiotic in the past 10 years

PlayStation has such a long history. They can simply do a lot of fun service and get so much positive PR but they keep making the same mistake again and again and again.

Rimeskeem2d ago

I would honestly prefer remasters/remakes/reboots of games than GaaS they have tried to push.

TheEroica2d ago

Release the remastered games on the sheep!

JackBNimble2d ago

Hahaha... I was going to make the same joke.
That's all they have

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RaidenBlack2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Lol, but like most I was expecting a 'Playstation showcase' but looking at how brief the Pro reveal was ... I am guessing these short State of Plays á la N.Direct style is how Sony is going to continue.
The next big PS showcase is gonna be the PS6 event. Till then all will be SoPs.

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Relientk773d ago

Hopefully there's good games, but we'll see. Going in with low hype, and I hope to be pleasantly surprised.

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Microsoft Reportedly Spends $1 Billion Annually To Get Third-Party Games On Game Pass

Uncover the spending behind Xbox's Game Pass subscription. Discover how Microsoft invests a billion dollars annually in securing third-party games for the service.

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Obscure_Observer6d ago

Good.

Now that you´re releasing games and making big money from every gaming platform, you should double that amount and give us even more day one third party games!

Jin_Sakai5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

You’re delusional beyond belief. Businesses wise it doesn’t make sense and sooner or later they’ll be raising prices again to cover that billion they’re blowing every year.

outsider16245d ago

Lucky for xbox that papa microsoft is rich.

purple1015d ago (Edited 5d ago )

As someone else said earlier today, they are past the growth stage, it’s been stagnent for last 3 years, they are now in the money making stage, prepare to be goosed for as many dollars as possible for the least amount of content. It may not be bad now, (actually it is) but it will be soon (even worse) this year you got hellblade and starfirld and a load of other games that could be bought in bargain bins for about $5-30 and for that you pay them monthly

To add I honestly don’t know how you put up with the barrage of Xbox negativity (which is deserved). I put it down to:

A) you are being paid
B) you may have a problem thinking clearly
C) prefer rooting for the underdog, that’s a legit thing too. English people do it by default

Profchaos5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

Yeah Aussies also love an underdog as long as that underdog isn't Xbox as they were too of the game with the 360 then lost their minds

Chevalier5d ago

3 straight years of missing Gamepass targets. Some people are just blinded by their own idiocy. Will be interesting to see if COD does anything this fall

CosmicTurtle5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

He is a troll. Designed to stoke people up on here. We know this.

It’s quite funny.

Popsicle5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

Yet people still allow the troll to derail an entire topic. I don’t understand how moderation allows it.

I literally just skip the comment. This may be the best comment obscure ever made. I don’t know because I didn’t read it. I have read to many thread derailing post from this person to ever devote any time to reading another.

I wish everyone would ignore the trolls so we can have a genuine discussion. Stop feeding it and it will go away. Even just hitting the disagree button feeds it. Thats what it wants. This is the last post I will ever post about obscure because I am feeding them now.

Legit question to Mods. After such a long history of being a troll, how has this poster not been banned?

Profchaos5d ago

Is he though or does he just blindly love Xbox in the same way Sega fans loved the Dreamcast even though it was clearly dead they thought it could be redeemed

Ok yeah he's saracstic and does troll but I enjoy seeing what he comes out with it would be boring here if we never had conflicting opinions

Sonic18815d ago (Edited 5d ago )

Are you insane? You want them to double the amount when the Xbox is already struggling and losing money 🤔

Hofstaderman5d ago

Correction....XBOX is already dead.

Obscure_Observer5d ago

"Are you insane? You want them to double the amount when the Xbox is already struggling and losing money"

As long we get the games I couldn´t care less about a trillion dollar company losing money. That´s their business to worry about. I only care about the games.

And "struggling and losing money"? Really?

"Microsoft reports Xbox’s revenue is up 61% in Q4 FY24 thanks to Activision"

https://venturebeat.com/gam...

61% more revenue and BO6 is not even out yet.

MS will make a sh!t ton of money with that game alone in all platforms. So 2 Billion yearly invested in their *core* business is nothing!

So yeah, I want them to double the investments on Gamepass. Period.

Sonic18815d ago (Edited 5d ago )

"So yeah, I want them to double the investments on Gamepass. Period."

That ain't going to happen. Just because you want it 😂

fr0sty5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

They'll do that, after creating 4 more higher-priced tiers and making the one that currently includes everything only contain games that have been on the market for 4 years.

"Gamepass Ultra to the MAX: Now only $299 per year!"

MrNinosan4d ago

Already $240/year, so we're there within a year, without new tiers.

jznrpg3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

It will be 29.99$ a month eventually 360 a year

Profchaos5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

They are trying to get a return on abk and Bethesda they won't double day one we're lucky we are still getting them now that day one has been removed from base tiers

They want to make money not give it away

OlderGamer175d ago

Sorry O_O, I tought you where loosing it, but i now come to the conclusion that you realy lost it.
The coping from you is not on a stellarr level....

Flakegriffin5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

Homie got 77 dislike and his brain rot will still help him think that he’s right.

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MrDead6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

I like how they twist cannibalising game sales into "invests".

No lifetime sales with MS, they'll F-up gaming the same as streaming services have done to the movie industry and it's workforce.

Fishy Fingers5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

Out of interest do you think those 3rd parties signing the deal are unhappy with the severence and have a gun to their head?

Bro probably has a PS+ sub and has library full of Epic launcher free games.

TheNamelessOne5d ago

lol

Pretty much. There's a lot of hate on this site for Gamepass, but put games on the different tiers of the PS subscription, and whenever they get that free day one release, it's an entirely different tune. No talk about how this choice is killing devs.

DarXyde5d ago

Do we think they're unhappy?

Umm...YES...?

They literally need to be paid up front to put games on the service. It's become a way to gain a foothold on the platform.

Do you think Atlus would launch on Game Pass otherwise?

MrDead5d ago

"Out of interest do you think those 3rd parties signing the deal are unhappy with the severence and have a gun to their head?"

I think you mean severance... and I've noticed you don't know what it means either, MS aren't firing the third-parties they're purchasing from.

"Bro probably has a PS+ sub and has library full of Epic launcher free games."

I'm not a console gamer, but yes I do have Epic with a library full of free games... but guess what Epic rotating free games every week doesn't do. It doesn't destroy lifetime sales and cut workers out of residuals. Then you bring up PS+ a service that also doesn't destroy lifetime sales as their model allows for new releases to earn.

DivineHand1255d ago

There are pros and cons to everything. Streaming services like Netflix is no different than cable tv except it is on demand. Services like Netflix has made it so that more studios can get a share in the profit where they can reach more consumers worldwide compared to the old days where the masses will only watch a few new titles per month.

The only negative about streaming services is that it no longer makes any sense to sell DVDs and Blu-rays though it can be argued that those persons may have moved on to building digital libraries for the sake of convenience.

The reason Xbox is doing so poorly is because they are not doing enough to be competitive. Their output of AA and AAA exclusive titles are extremely low compared to the competition and they haven't had a game of the year nominee in years.

Releasing their games the same date on PC is also hurting their console and it would have been more strategic for them to delay those releases by a year similar to what Sony does to maximize profits.

Gamepass alone is not to blame for Xbox's current position because it can be argued that if the service didn't exist and they had the same gaming output as they have now, they would be in an even worst spot.

MrDead5d ago

"Streaming services like Netflix is no different than cable tv except it is on demand."

It's nothing like cable. My comment isn't a guess lifetime sale of films has shrunk to a point it's almost gone and so has the revenue it generated, that is money from competing TV networks, cable/satellite and physical media sales.

Lack of revenue transparency with streaming has meant workers job security and pay has massively diminished, earnings from residuals is almost gone for example the writer for Squid Games because of streaming gets no royalties despite series earning $900 million for Netflix, before streaming he would have royalties form lifetime sales.
Or another example Willow the series was pulled and is no longer watchable here's why: “Willow” was one of nearly 50 titles that Disney+ pulled from its streaming library in May. Other titles included the series “The Mysterious Benedict Society” and the feature film “The One and Only Ivan.” Disney CFO Christine McCarthy explained that Disney was expecting to take a write-down in the June quarter of $1.5 billion-$1.8 billion by removing content from its streaming platforms. By writing down the value of the content assets, Disney can remove that from its balance sheet and reduce its tax bill." Also when you pull a show you no longer need to pay residuals to the workers.

Have you also noticed the drop in quality on sfx or thought some older films look so much better then they do now? This is because the industry now relies on cheap labour for sfx outsourcing abroad, more green screen instead of location shooting and a lot less real extras bring life to a scene.

Streaming in gaming is going to be far worse as we've seen with MS consolidating a massive part of the industry to try and make the service sustainable, lifetime sales being cannibalised by gamespass and a work force that has no unions like SAG is already paying the price.

All streaming does is remove income transparency, cuts the workers from the money and sets flat rates and removes consumer ownership... but CEO's and shareholders will still be ok as they benefit from the industry consolidation.

Huey_My_D_Long5d ago

MrDead is absolutely on fire with the post.

Nothing else I have to add other than that.

DivineHand1255d ago

@MrDead like I said pros and cons. Some of those issues can alleviated with alleviated with regulatory intervention to give more transparency to the industry but unlikely anytime soon with all the lobbying going on.

The issue with the squid game's writer can be attributed to the terms and conditions he agreed to. It happens often in business as no one really knows how popular something will be until you catch that lightning in a bottle. I remember reading about how Nintendo hardly made anything off Pokemon Go dispite Niantic making Billions.

I don't blame streaming services for studios finding was to reduce the cost of making films. That stuff would have happened regardless because of the greed of these corporations. We see that same cost reduction happening in every industry from food to Aerospace.

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CrimsonGuardVII5d ago

@badz148 its not, it just straight lied.

gold_drake5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

we know this, we have known this since last year.

this is not new or news.

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